Not my job to coerce and hold hostages. Sorry. I am sure his leaving is noted, I am also quite sure that if his leaving was to be blamed on any 'balance' changes there is little to nothing anyone can do to change that penalty back.

Without this penalty cal logi would be the next screamed about thing as people gravitate towards the new anti-armor rifles and make a laughing stock of the current fotm and shields becomes the next in the barrel to be chased in an imperfect balanced game we have.

How about we make the Light Frames have as much HP as my nanohive.

Seriously though, my Allotek nanohive has more HP than most scout suits.

Does anyone else think that's a problem?

How about we make the Light Frames have as much HP as my nanohive.

Seriously though, my Allotek nanohive has more HP than most scout suits.

Does anyone else think that's a problem?

Not my job to coerce and hold hostages. Sorry. I am sure his leaving is noted, I am also quite sure that if his leaving was to be blamed on any 'balance' changes there is little to nothing anyone can do to change that penalty back.

Without this penalty cal logi would be the next screamed about thing as people gravitate towards the new anti-armor rifles and make a laughing stock of the current fotm and shields becomes the next in the barrel to be chased in an imperfect balanced game we have.

I think it has enough content to start generating the imperfect balance concept. We're seeing it then and we're seeing it now. Remember how everyone cried cal logi? then all of a sudden scrambler rifles.

I think it has enough content to start generating the imperfect balance concept. We're seeing it then and we're seeing it now. Remember how everyone cried cal logi? then all of a sudden scrambler rifles.

You thought I was kidding before didn't you

Not my job to coerce and hold hostages. Sorry. I am sure his leaving is noted, I am also quite sure that if his leaving was to be blamed on any 'balance' changes there is little to nothing anyone can do to change that penalty back.

Without this penalty cal logi would be the next screamed about thing as people gravitate towards the new anti-armor rifles and make a laughing stock of the current fotm and shields becomes the next in the barrel to be chased in an imperfect balanced game we have.

What you talking about this game is pretty balanced, only the shotgun is OP
-Alldin Kan

Please tell me your joking....

Oh wait. Alldin's an Imp.

He's just trolling

Scrambler Rifles are sort of new. There were a handful but it wasn't prevalent. The game at this point should not be this susceptible to a sudden rise of FoTM. The current FoTM is thanks to the power of Burst. The ScR ability to charge a shot and the ARs absurdly ease of use and power. Shields get wrecked. Armor isn't far behind.

There is another issue here and it's not shield recharge rate.

I think it has enough content to start generating the imperfect balance concept. We're seeing it then and we're seeing it now. Remember how everyone cried cal logi? then all of a sudden scrambler rifles.

I think you mean perfect imbalance. Imperfect imbalance is what we had when the Negative-Feedback alliance was still relevant. Anyway perfect imbalance doesn't work in progressive development without core content and established core mechanics. We need incomparables but that seems to take too much effort than simply applying preemptive band aids to bigger problems. I thought development would have learned something over the course of a year but apparently no DICE.

Yeah the funny thing is the SCR is considered FOTL in a build along with the Galogi and beast mode Core Focus Rep Tools out the ying yang. Wrap your head around that and then think about the resistance comment I made above.

Remember when you had to use a flux in combination with a MD?

You need to tell the DEVs they may have just lost the remaining scouts due to shotty leaving, and by extension the registy being closed.

Although I doubt they even care at this point.

Im officially out off Scout Buisness.
With Now SHIELD getting increased Recharge DELAYS (without even increasing the amount of HP they earn you) i just cannot live with it anymore XD

Ak.0 / Gk.0 Logis. Here i come.....

And i am considering leaving the game for realz, the only thing keeping me is the people from my corp that still depend on me.... FOR NOW...

I feel the Beta extend for all the PS3 period and the real game came out on PS4

To IWS:

Thanks for everything you're working toward, and thanks for keeping an eye out on the Scouts. I have no desire to make waves, hold hostages or issue ridiculous demands. I arrived quietly and would welcome opportunity to move along quietly.

For the record -- should it be of any assistance -- my present discontent has very little (if anything) to do with the contents of 1.7. It has much, much more to do with Uprising in general. Specifically, CCP's perceived lack of concern over weapon/role balance.

Problems tend to be prioritized and fixed, so it stands to reason that CCP has assigned zero-to-low priority to the issues that matter to Scouts. The Registry has had a good run, but it failed in its primary mission. It failed to raise the priority level of Scoutly concerns and has failed to bring about any meaningful Scout fixes. 7 months of under-performance and detailed feedback, yet "New Rifles" were assigned higher priority. Poetic.

So I'm done wasting time with Forums, and I refuse to further peddle false hope to noble Scout brothers by means of the Registry.

For the record, I agree with every word you wrote in CPM's TTK thread. Good luck seeing your thoughts through to implementation. It will make for a better Dust. o7

To IWS:

Thanks for everything you're working toward, and thanks for keeping an eye out on the Scouts. I have no desire to make waves, hold hostages or issue ridiculous demands. I arrived quietly and would welcome opportunity to move along quietly.

For the record -- should it be of any assistance -- my present discontent has very little (if anything) to do with the contents of 1.7. It has much, much more to do with Uprising in general. Specifically, CCP's perceived lack of concern over weapon/role balance.

Problems tend to be prioritized and fixed, so it stands to reason that CCP has assigned zero-to-low priority to the issues that matter to Scouts. The Registry has had a good run, but it failed in its primary mission. It failed to raise the priority level of Scoutly concerns and has failed to bring about any meaningful Scout fixes. 7 months of under-performance and detailed feedback, yet "New Rifles" were assigned higher priority. Poetic.

So I'm done wasting time with Forums, and I refuse to further peddle false hope to noble Scout brothers by means of the Registry.

Good luck seeing your thoughts through to implementation. I agree with every word you wrote in CPM's TTK thread. These efforts will make for a better Dust.

We need a dislike button on the forums. That way CCP could really see how much we disapprove of most of the stuff that the cpm's spew out.

Yeah the funny thing is the SCR is considered FOTL in a build along with the Galogi and beast mode Core Focus Rep Tools out the ying yang. Wrap your head around that and then think about the resistance comment I made above.

Remember when you had to use a flux in combination with a MD?

Not my job to coerce and hold hostages. Sorry. I am sure his leaving is noted, I am also quite sure that if his leaving was to be blamed on any 'balance' changes there is little to nothing anyone can do to change that penalty back.

Without this penalty cal logi would be the next screamed about thing as people gravitate towards the new anti-armor rifles and make a laughing stock of the current fotm and shields becomes the next in the barrel to be chased in an imperfect balanced game we have.

Damn, feel sorry for you guys.

Still wondering if CCP actually listens to common sense other than nonsense.

Scouts have to be fast and stealthy; they can't have a lot of shield and armor.

Scouts have to be fast and stealthy; they can't have a lot of shield and armor.

yup, i agree! it just matters how you use them for them to be effective ( your play style)

I feel the Beta extend for all the PS3 period and the real game came out on PS4

just stop. this is already a sad time, and you're just being the guy everybody wants to tell to "screw off".

don't be that guy.

What?

Scouts aren't supposed to go "assault" or to tank like a heavy!

And this my friends, is why shotty should be CPM. And more so, why CCP should be shamed to have shunned not only the community, but his detailed, intelligent, and beneficial efforts that did nothing but benefit CCP with zero thought to any of it.

I'm not telling to HTFU; I'm saying to use Dropsuits accordingly to their roles.

I have Scout fittings, Assault fittings, Heavy fittings and Logistics Fittings to cover every possible situations.


You can't skill into only one type of dropsuit and expect it to be able to "do it all".

Scouts' roles are mainly Recon and Intel.

I'm not telling to HTFU; I'm saying to use Dropsuits accordingly to their roles.

I have Scout fittings, Assault fittings, Heavy fittings and Logistics Fittings to cover every possible situations.


You can't skill into only one type of dropsuit and expect it to be able to "do it all".

Scouts' roles are mainly Recon and Intel.

Sniper Rifles and Rail Rifles are a good fit for that role, no? No, still outshined by other suits

Scouts can play "Saboteur" roles too;

planting REs - viable, but can only drop 3, logi better suited
uplinks in critical locations - dropships, logis better suited
performing ninja hacks - omniscient installations, tacnet
Ninja knifing - hit detection, suggesting we play slayer?

I'm not telling to HTFU; I'm saying to use Dropsuits accordingly to their roles.
Scouts' roles are mainly Recon and Intel.

I'm not telling to HTFU; I'm saying to use Dropsuits accordingly to their roles.

I have Scout fittings, Assault fittings, Heavy fittings and Logistics Fittings to cover every possible situations.


You can't skill into only one type of dropsuit and expect it to be able to "do it all".

Scouts' roles are mainly Recon and Intel.

Aren't the Scout the speediest and steathiest Dropsuit around?

Those are the skills you have to build and use around.

I use all the type of Dropsuit; When I need speed, I choose the Scout.

Stop putting words in my mouth, Tosch; I tought you were cooler than that...

Aren't the Scout the speediest and steathiest Dropsuit around?

Those are the skills you have to build and use around.

I use all the type of Dropsuit; When I need speed, I choose the Scout.

Stop putting words in my mouth, Tosch; I tought you were cooler than that...

Hey Guys!

Thanks for all the kind words :-)
I'm dialing back my commitment to Dust and "contribution" to the Forums.

To be perfectly clear, I'm not biomassing this character (though I do intent to be less active).
See you in battle. o7

Sorry to see you dial back, though I don't blame you at all. There's only so much effort anyone can put in without seeing a return on investment, and you're only the latest in a long tradition now of vets gracefully stepping away after trying their best and hitting a wall. I also know full well that this is a morale blow to other players, some of which will also leave as a result.

To address the OP - Unfortunately far too many players have threatened to quit or take a break from Dust over just about every little change that its no longer reasonable to expect CCP to respond to that kind of appeal. That being said, CCP is a business at the end of the day, and can only expect to maintain customers if they put effort into the relationship they have with their players (however meager at times).

The plight of the scout is rather specific, but also related to a much more deep-seated problem. I'll start with the more deep-seated problem first: CCP has left a trail of half finished projects winding all the way back to April of last year when the first beta keys were handed out. The reasons why are still lost on me, and one can only hope that CCP Rouge has the business sense to end this pattern once and for all. Its still too early to tell.

We see evidence of this everywhere: even the recent FW changes rely on a marketplace and team deploy to function, both of which currently exist as "things we need to do". The Sentinel bonus is the posterchild (though I prefer to liken it to the nasty booger stuck in CCP's beard that they've left there for years). Simply put, they really had no business programming in a bonus to an unreleased weapon, in hopes they'd follow up with it later. They haven't, and I still have no idea when we'll see an Amarr heavy weapon. Planning for the future is one thing, saying "When we have __________ this will be awesome" is quite another. We often don't end up with _________, just the unfinished eyesore in the meantime.

This brings us to the Scout, the latest casualty of this longstanding practice. Essentially Scouts are terrible because they're waiting around for Cloaks to make them not-terrible. But as everyone knows we don't have cloaks, just the half finished battlefield role. This isn't even a racial suit we're talking about, its a whole playstyle with its own dwindling fanbase.

To me the solution is simple - its time for CCP to finish projects they start, and to do something radical for such a forward-thinking game. They need to start designing for the present. Not the future, not for "next patch", for the present. Every build should be highly playable, balanced, with design choices that inherently work in the context of the current release. Its great that CCP has plans for cloaks - but everyone deserves to be able to run as a Scout NOW if they'd like, not in several months. CCP should design with room for iteration in mind, but shouldn't be releasing content that depends on other content to function unless released simultaneously.

All that to say, I'm totally emptyhanded in terms of encouragement here, I'd also be reaching that point of frustration if I were you and I don't blame you for your decision. As for me, all I can do for now is to continue to approach this with CCP Rouge as a process problem, not a tribal problem. None of this has anything to do with CCP shitting on Scouts in particular, or the Scout community - it has to do with failing to improve judgement over what content to release and balance and in what order. The sooner they learn that bleeding customers while waiting for a magic content bullet is just bad business, the sooner we can turn this around not just for Scouts but for everyone else in the community as well.

You're right. I too use the scout suit for speed; beginning of the match, load the "Haxlink" suit, run to the first objective with uplinks. Hack, drop uplinks, hack depot, switch to Logi or Assault.

That's the extent of the viability :)

All the whining about Scouts gave me the idea for this fit. The idea is to never engage in close and medium range. I've tried it and had a lot of fun. It is fast as hell, you know where your enemies are and you can't really be scanned. With this, you can give Intel to your Squad along with some sniping support. The Flaylock is a last resort if someone gets too close or if you want to execute a victim that is clueless of your presence. This will stay amongst my permanent Fittings!

'Dragonfly' Scout [nSv]

'Covenant' Sniper Rifle
'Splashbone' Flaylock Pistol

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Heinrich Jagerblitzen's post

I'm not telling to HTFU; I'm saying to use Dropsuits accordingly to their roles.

I have Scout fittings, Assault fittings, Heavy fittings and Logistics Fittings to cover every possible situations.


You can't skill into only one type of dropsuit and expect it to be able to "do it all".

Scouts' roles are mainly Recon and Intel.

Thank you for this. This is something that I've been attempting to articulate as well. I'm relieved to see that a member(s) of the CPM recognizes the flaw in the design process that might work for a game akin to EVE but does not rationalize well in Dust.

When things are broken in Dust, there is no way for the player to step back and away from the thing that is frustrating them - this is ALL that Dust is. Our content is limited to fighting and only fighting. When the battlefield mechanics are broken, the only thing we can do as players is endure the frustration or step back from the game itself entirely. There's no crafting mechanics. No trade. There's no PVE. There's nothing but a long series of frustrating fights coping with weird, unreliable mechanics and dropsuits with mismatched bonuses.

Doing this, from a business stand point, cannot sit well with them. When this happens, they potentially lose players indefinitely. When they rely on the market to bring in income, they need players to be interacting with that market which means playing the game. Players are not paying when they're not playing; this is a serious problem.

The game is a serious up hill battle for enjoyment when there are unfinished mechanics that negate the validity of an entire class.

Well spoken. Thank you for the support and understanding that you're showing the players, as a player yourself.

Well said, I honestly believe the social aspect is holding Dust together. When PC isn't lagging and it's a closely matched foe it's amazing! Playing with your team is fun.

Team Deploy is absolutely necessary. It's off topic, but a lot of crap is just better when you are playing with your own people instead of frustrating blueberries.

Lol, DUST is the beta. The real game will be a rebranding on the PC and be a subscription based game called EVE GROUND ASSAULT like it should have been.

CCP prefers its lab rats to be console players. So far you are doing a bang up job. A lot of useful test data is being collected here, namely, don't develop a game on a console, don't make it F2P and don't worry with typical FPS mechanics before connecting it to EVE resource gathering and PI.

There's only so much effort anyone can put in without seeing a return on investment, and you're only the latest in a long tradition now of vets gracefully stepping away after trying their best and hitting a wall.

Shotty, I am very sad that you're leaving.
Your posts are among the best on the forums, and it's a major loss for CCP and the community that you're leaving.

I am very much like you in a way.
While I am just as active as I ever was, I stopped posting huge suggestion threads like I used to.

It just feels like I hit a brick wall and none of my efforts are worth anything.







I miss the time when I was naive and thought that I could actually influence this game beyond a few bug reports

On a less serious note:
The cat overlord of all humans does not approve of shotty leaving.
Hence he will shoot shotty with a shotgun if shotty leaves.

This brings an interesting question.

Which is faster, Shotty's Scout or a Cat?

I can't believe I actually almost shed a tear writing this.

Shows how much hope I had for this game.

You already know the answer.

My lazy speed is as fast as shotty's sprint speed.

*Places tuna down and backs away slowly*

This is the only reason I still jump into battles, I only play with my friends now. I used to enjoy soloing when the matches, even with unreliable teammates (it happens, such is life), were still balanced. You might have lost but it was more rarer than not to actually be crushed completely. Now? Not so much. A team is routed so quickly and so well, even when both teams have players in squads, that you rarely see matches that are an actual fight.

It's no fun being on either side in one of those matches. It's especially prevalent in Domination and Ambush while Skirmish is just as bad, only with a longer duration typically. I have seen more matches in Skirmish ending in one team being 'cloned out' than I ever have before. I think that shouldn't happen as frequently as it is now.

Solo players are killing their own Dust experience as well as everybody else's.

Not my job to coerce and hold hostages. Sorry. I am sure his leaving is noted, I am also quite sure that if his leaving was to be blamed on any 'balance' changes there is little to nothing anyone can do to change that penalty back.

Without this penalty cal logi would be the next screamed about thing as people gravitate towards the new anti-armor rifles and make a laughing stock of the current fotm and shields becomes the next in the barrel to be chased in an imperfect balanced game we have.

Which is a shame. While Dust is drastically improved by utilizing squads, playing solo shouldn't be so detrimental in Public matches of all places. There are just days where you enjoy playing solo. It is definitely more fun with a squad, though. I've seen a decline in squads since they removed the warbarge from public matches.

On that note, why did they do that? It was awesome and was a great place for them to let players advertise their AURUM variant dropsuits.

All that to say, I'm totally emptyhanded in terms of encouragement here, I'd also be reaching that point of frustration if I were you and I don't blame you for your decision. As for me, all I can do for now is to continue to approach this with CCP Rouge as a process problem, not a tribal problem. None of this has anything to do with CCP shitting on Scouts in particular, or the Scout community - it has to do with failing to improve judgement over what content to release and balance and in what order. The sooner they learn that bleeding customers while waiting for a magic content bullet is just bad business, the sooner we can turn this around not just for Scouts but for everyone else in the community as well.

On a less serious note:
The cat overlord of all humans does not approve of shotty leaving.
Hence he will shoot shotty with a shotgun if shotty leaves.

[...]

CCP should design with room for iteration in mind, but shouldn't be releasing content that depends on other content to function unless released simultaneously.

[...]

Which is a shame. While Dust is drastically improved by utilizing squads, playing solo shouldn't be so detrimental in Public matches of all places. There are just days where you enjoy playing solo. It is definitely more fun with a squad, though. I've seen a decline in squads since they removed the warbarge from public matches.

On that note, why did they do that? It was awesome and was a great place for them to let players advertise their AURUM variant dropsuits.

If there's been a better CPM post, I'd like to see it

So much dramas

and so little popcorn


[goes off to the grocery]

I can't believe I actually almost shed a tear writing this.

Shows how much hope I had for this game.

You need to punch through a wall or do something manly real quick!

I turned into a lion because I meowed too hard.
Does that count?