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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:29:00 -
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Anarchide wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Anarchide wrote:Scouts have to be fast and stealthy; they can't have a lot of shield and armor. just stop. this is already a sad time, and you're just being the guy everybody wants to tell to "screw off". don't be that guy. What? Scouts aren't supposed to go "assault" or to tank like a heavy!
We weren't trying to go "assault" or tank like a "heavy". No one was and no one will as a scout.
Tell me. How would you feel that you are forced to play in a map that never favored scouts? Open terrain, very little cover, no means of camouflage at all, and your suit's total EHP is so weak that an Allotek Nanohive has more EHP than most of the scout suits in your class?
On top of that, our CPU and PG is so limiting that we are not given effective options unless you're a ninja knifer and even then the Nova Knives are still messed up despite the recent hot fix.
Now imagine having to work with all this handicap put upon your suit and after spending the better part of the match trying to hide and sneak into the objectives only to be exposed by the fact that A) the objectives light you up like a Christmas Tree in the middle of New York despite having complex profile dampeners (WTF???), and B) you have no cloaking available yet.
So don't go around telling us scouts to HTFU. We have already done that a long time ago and yet we are still being forced to accept more handicaps. So go **** off.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:54:00 -
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Anarchide wrote:I'm not telling to HTFU; I'm saying to use Dropsuits accordingly to their roles.
I have Scout fittings, Assault fittings, Heavy fittings and Logistics Fittings to cover every possible situations.
You can't skill into only one type of dropsuit and expect it to be able to "do it all".
Scouts' roles are mainly Recon and Intel.
You know, I can tell you don't care about scouts at all. In fact, you think that scouts are never meant to kill anyone at all. You think that all scouts must simply stay behind and do absolutely no damage at all. Might as well take away our light weapons slots. Hell, might as well take away any weapons we carry including the Ishukone nova knives that I have specced into.
Might as well get rid of the Minmatar Scout since CQC is its specialty (look at its bonuses and stats). I might as well cross train into Gallente Scout since that is the only racial suit in its class meant to do exactly what you said: recon and intel.
Actually, let's get rid of all scouts in general. Kitten it. Logis can already do a better job than scouts anyways in the recon/intel department.
/sarcasm mode off
OK, back to being serious here.
We are not trying to "do it all". None of us are trying to do it all. We are not trying to be logis. We are not trying to be assaults. We are not trying to be heavies. We are trying to be scouts that can provide intel, recon, and kill a few stragglers lagging behind their own squad mates. It's called the element of surprise.
Have you ever tried nova knives? Try playing for a whole day on every match with just nova knives and see how well you can do in with surprise tactics and see the problems it still has.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.12.06 00:12:00 -
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Anarchide wrote:Aren't the Scout the speediest and steathiest Dropsuit around? Those are the skills you have to build and use around. I use all the type of Dropsuit; When I need speed, I choose the Scout. Stop putting words in my mouth, Tosch; I tought you were cooler than that... 
What Zero said just below your post.
The speed is only good for getting to the objective first. Beyond that, the speed is useless. With the improved aim assist mechanic and the beefed up hit detection, sprinting away to escape or sprinting at someone to close the distance is no longer a viable tactic. Especially given the fact that it only takes 3 bullets (no not 3 bursts, I said 3 bullets) from most guns to kill you. If I get spotted, I'm just dead in 3 shots. I'm not even exaggerating here. I wish I was exaggerating.
I have been using kinetic catalyzers from the very beginning and so far the improved hit detection and aim assist has made it pointless to speed tank. I can barely speed tank around a heavy anymore now that heavies can turn around in an instant with their HMG should the first strike or shotgun blast fail to kill them initially.
As for putting words in your mouth, I didn't have to do that. Your posts were basically implying what I said earlier and it only showed your lack of knowledge on how scouts work. If you think that scouts are only to be used for recon and intel, you are completely and utterly mistaken to think like that. Also, the fact that you pointed to the speed tanking of the suits as an alternative only confirms that you haven't really been using the scout suit well enough to know how ineffective it is at this point.
The stealth part can be alternative as you pointed out, but like I said earlier, stealth is too much of a luxury for scouts given the obvious fact that the maps we have don't favor scouts and everyone already knows every nook and cranny of the city.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5623
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Posted - 2013.12.06 03:29:00 -
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Zero Notion wrote:Quote:Solo players are killing their own Dust experience as well as everybody else's. Which is a shame. While Dust is drastically improved by utilizing squads, playing solo shouldn't be so detrimental in Public matches of all places. There are just days where you enjoy playing solo. It is definitely more fun with a squad, though. I've seen a decline in squads since they removed the warbarge from public matches. On that note, why did they do that? It was awesome and was a great place for them to let players advertise their AURUM variant dropsuits.
Actually, the warbarge is still there. You just don't notice it anymore when it flashes just 0.5 seconds before the match starts.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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