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Zero Notion
Wraith Company
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Posted - 2013.12.06 01:12:00 -
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Quote:Well said, I honestly believe the social aspect is holding Dust together. When PC isn't lagging and it's a closely matched foe it's amazing! Playing with your team is fun.
Team Deploy is absolutely necessary. It's off topic, but a lot of crap is just better when you are playing with your own people instead of frustrating blueberries.
This is the only reason I still jump into battles, I only play with my friends now. I used to enjoy soloing when the matches, even with unreliable teammates (it happens, such is life), were still balanced. You might have lost but it was more rarer than not to actually be crushed completely. Now? Not so much. A team is routed so quickly and so well, even when both teams have players in squads, that you rarely see matches that are an actual fight.
It's no fun being on either side in one of those matches. It's especially prevalent in Domination and Ambush while Skirmish is just as bad, only with a longer duration typically. I have seen more matches in Skirmish ending in one team being 'cloned out' than I ever have before. I think that shouldn't happen as frequently as it is now. |
Vell0cet
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
669
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Posted - 2013.12.06 01:12:00 -
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CCP needs to fix TTK, complete the missing racial suits/vehicles, and get the cloaks in ASAP. They can't balance scouts until cloaks are in the game and we have the Caldari and Amarr versions. It would be like trying to balance stealth bombers in EVE before cloaks existed, with only half the races available.
Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
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DiGreatDestroyer
Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION
38
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Posted - 2013.12.06 01:15:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Morathi III wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I think it has enough content to start generating the imperfect balance concept. We're seeing it then and we're seeing it now. Remember how everyone cried cal logi? then all of a sudden scrambler rifles. I feel the Beta extend for all the PS3 period and the real game came out on PS4 Lol, DUST is the beta. The real game will be a rebranding on the PC and be a subscription based game called EVE GROUND ASSAULT like it should have been. CCP prefers its lab rats to be console players. So far you are doing a bang up job. A lot of useful test data is being collected here, namely, don't develop a game on a console, don't make it F2P and don't worry with typical FPS mechanics before connecting it to EVE resource gathering and PI.
I feel like im playing "Outlast" We are playing and crazies (CCP) are yelling at us "THIS IS THE EXPERIMENT, THIS IS THE EXPERIMENT" |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
1631
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Posted - 2013.12.06 01:22:00 -
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Quote:There's only so much effort anyone can put in without seeing a return on investment, and you're only the latest in a long tradition now of vets gracefully stepping away after trying their best and hitting a wall.
This part is actually pretty funny, because you can switch the word "Vets" with "Newbies" and it still ring true.
I'm not disagreeing with anyone here, I'm just giving my point of view.
Like EVE, Dust is a constantly evolving game. We won't have every versions of everything or a complete balanced game anytime soon and I'm "ok" with that. CCP develops on the long term. I knew that from the very beginning.
For now, sticking to Scout-only gameplay is a very limiting and frustrating approach to Dust, I concede.
Greedy Bastards' Hate Lord
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
4388
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Posted - 2013.12.06 01:57:00 -
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Shotty, I am very sad that you're leaving. Your posts are among the best on the forums, and it's a major loss for CCP and the community that you're leaving.
I am very much like you in a way. While I am just as active as I ever was, I stopped posting huge suggestion threads like I used to.
It just feels like I hit a brick wall and none of my efforts are worth anything.
Each day there is someone on the forums declaring that he's leaving, and I couldn't give a damn. But you? You're different, and I hope that you will return once CCP gets their head out of their *censord*.
I miss the time when I was naive and thought that I could actually influence this game beyond a few bug reports
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Zero Notion
Wraith Company
423
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Posted - 2013.12.06 01:58:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Shotty, I am very sad that you're leaving. Your posts are among the best on the forums, and it's a major loss for CCP and the community that you're leaving. I am very much like you in a way. While I am just as active as I ever was, I stopped posting huge suggestion threads like I used to. It just feels like I hit a brick wall and none of my efforts are worth anything. I miss the time when I was naive and thought that I could actually influence this game beyond a few bug reports
I guess I should let go of that hope. :( |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
4390
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Posted - 2013.12.06 02:07:00 -
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I can't believe I actually almost shed a tear writing this.
Shows how much hope I had for this game.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
4394
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Posted - 2013.12.06 02:18:00 -
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On a less serious note: The cat overlord of all humans does not approve of shotty leaving. Hence he will shoot shotty with a shotgun if shotty leaves.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1625
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Posted - 2013.12.06 02:20:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:On a less serious note: The cat overlord of all humans does not approve of shotty leaving. Hence he will shoot shotty with a shotgun if shotty leaves. This brings an interesting question.
Which is faster, Shotty's Scout or a Cat?
My Very First Thread About Tanks
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
4394
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Posted - 2013.12.06 02:22:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Cat Merc wrote:On a less serious note: The cat overlord of all humans does not approve of shotty leaving. Hence he will shoot shotty with a shotgun if shotty leaves. This brings an interesting question. Which is faster, Shotty's Scout or a Cat? You already know the answer.
My lazy speed is as fast as shotty's sprint speed.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1625
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Posted - 2013.12.06 02:22:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I can't believe I actually almost shed a tear writing this.
Shows how much hope I had for this game. I also used to believe that I could balance the whole Vehicle and Anti-Vehicle debate, but now I'm starting to think otherwise.
The more and more I play this game without my Logi or Assault suit, the more I want to erase DUST forever.
And even the MinAssault suits make me wanna rage quit sometimes.
My Very First Thread About Tanks
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1625
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Posted - 2013.12.06 02:24:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Atiim wrote:Cat Merc wrote:On a less serious note: The cat overlord of all humans does not approve of shotty leaving. Hence he will shoot shotty with a shotgun if shotty leaves. This brings an interesting question. Which is faster, Shotty's Scout or a Cat? You already know the answer. My lazy speed is as fast as shotty's sprint speed.
*Places tuna down and backs away slowly*
My Very First Thread About Tanks
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
4396
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Posted - 2013.12.06 02:30:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Atiim wrote:Cat Merc wrote:On a less serious note: The cat overlord of all humans does not approve of shotty leaving. Hence he will shoot shotty with a shotgun if shotty leaves. This brings an interesting question. Which is faster, Shotty's Scout or a Cat? You already know the answer. My lazy speed is as fast as shotty's sprint speed. *Places tuna down and backs away slowly* *Jumps on it so quickly that Atiim couldn't see the cat*
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
2184
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Posted - 2013.12.06 02:52:00 -
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Zero Notion wrote:Quote:Well said, I honestly believe the social aspect is holding Dust together. When PC isn't lagging and it's a closely matched foe it's amazing! Playing with your team is fun.
Team Deploy is absolutely necessary. It's off topic, but a lot of crap is just better when you are playing with your own people instead of frustrating blueberries. This is the only reason I still jump into battles, I only play with my friends now. I used to enjoy soloing when the matches, even with unreliable teammates (it happens, such is life), were still balanced. You might have lost but it was more rarer than not to actually be crushed completely. Now? Not so much. A team is routed so quickly and so well, even when both teams have players in squads, that you rarely see matches that are an actual fight. It's no fun being on either side in one of those matches. It's especially prevalent in Domination and Ambush while Skirmish is just as bad, only with a longer duration typically. I have seen more matches in Skirmish ending in one team being 'cloned out' than I ever have before. I think that shouldn't happen as frequently as it is now.
Solo players are killing their own Dust experience as well as everybody else's.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Zero Notion
Wraith Company
434
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Posted - 2013.12.06 03:10:00 -
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Quote:Solo players are killing their own Dust experience as well as everybody else's.
Which is a shame. While Dust is drastically improved by utilizing squads, playing solo shouldn't be so detrimental in Public matches of all places. There are just days where you enjoy playing solo. It is definitely more fun with a squad, though. I've seen a decline in squads since they removed the warbarge from public matches.
On that note, why did they do that? It was awesome and was a great place for them to let players advertise their AURUM variant dropsuits. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
1437
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Posted - 2013.12.06 03:26:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Not my job to coerce and hold hostages. Sorry. I am sure his leaving is noted, I am also quite sure that if his leaving was to be blamed on any 'balance' changes there is little to nothing anyone can do to change that penalty back.
Without this penalty cal logi would be the next screamed about thing as people gravitate towards the new anti-armor rifles and make a laughing stock of the current fotm and shields becomes the next in the barrel to be chased in an imperfect balanced game we have.
in all honesty the only player ccp cares about keeping is IWS....
he's such a good puppy.
never again will i spend money on this broken game....
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
5623
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Posted - 2013.12.06 03:29:00 -
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Zero Notion wrote:Quote:Solo players are killing their own Dust experience as well as everybody else's. Which is a shame. While Dust is drastically improved by utilizing squads, playing solo shouldn't be so detrimental in Public matches of all places. There are just days where you enjoy playing solo. It is definitely more fun with a squad, though. I've seen a decline in squads since they removed the warbarge from public matches. On that note, why did they do that? It was awesome and was a great place for them to let players advertise their AURUM variant dropsuits.
Actually, the warbarge is still there. You just don't notice it anymore when it flashes just 0.5 seconds before the match starts.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
1182
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Posted - 2013.12.06 05:40:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:
All that to say, I'm totally emptyhanded in terms of encouragement here, I'd also be reaching that point of frustration if I were you and I don't blame you for your decision. As for me, all I can do for now is to continue to approach this with CCP Rouge as a process problem, not a tribal problem. None of this has anything to do with CCP shitting on Scouts in particular, or the Scout community - it has to do with failing to improve judgement over what content to release and balance and in what order. The sooner they learn that bleeding customers while waiting for a magic content bullet is just bad business, the sooner we can turn this around not just for Scouts but for everyone else in the community as well.
I agree with you a lot. The one thing I would liek to point out that rounds out the reality of what you laid out is the utter lack of QA on their part.
They use the delay last minute excuse to CYA not because it was well thought out and bug hunted into a brilliant build.
They say fantasy land stuff compared to the reality of their product. Okay tho. That is fine. But don't take all of your supporter's money and then completely ignore a lot of them. You promise a product, people pay in to support you, then you not only ignore them but make the product worse for them over a long period of time.
wut?
Yea.. here's to CCP Rogue I guess.
#shittycoding
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Kahn Zo
Furyan Alpha
142
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Posted - 2013.12.06 06:40:00 -
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winter is coming...
Pure Gallente
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
186
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Posted - 2013.12.06 08:59:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:On a less serious note: The cat overlord of all humans does not approve of shotty leaving. Hence he will shoot shotty with a shotgun if shotty leaves.
This cat underling questions the logic of its master. Your master must be Schr+¦dinger with that kind of logic :-p
Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:Hey Guys!
Thanks for all the kind words :-) I'm dialing back my commitment to Dust and "contribution" to the Forums.
To be perfectly clear, I'm not biomassing this character (though I do intent to be less active). See you in battle. o7 [...] CCP should design with room for iteration in mind, but shouldn't be releasing content that depends on other content to function unless released simultaneously. [...]
I think you hit the nail on the head there. We're at an impasse because content is missing - CCP can't or won't balance without that
Also, sorry to be negative here, because your message is appreciated, but I would humbly suggest it's three months too late. The horses have bolted. |
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Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
1636
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Posted - 2013.12.06 16:08:00 -
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So much dramas
and so little popcorn
[goes off to the grocery]
Greedy Bastards' Hate Lord
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
2196
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Posted - 2013.12.06 19:58:00 -
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Zero Notion wrote:Quote:Solo players are killing their own Dust experience as well as everybody else's. Which is a shame. While Dust is drastically improved by utilizing squads, playing solo shouldn't be so detrimental in Public matches of all places. There are just days where you enjoy playing solo. It is definitely more fun with a squad, though. I've seen a decline in squads since they removed the warbarge from public matches. On that note, why did they do that? It was awesome and was a great place for them to let players advertise their AURUM variant dropsuits.
It's the number of solo players. And the fact that they are always solo. From noob to vet as a solo player.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
439
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Posted - 2013.12.06 20:15:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:Hey Guys!
Thanks for all the kind words :-) I'm dialing back my commitment to Dust and "contribution" to the Forums.
To be perfectly clear, I'm not biomassing this character (though I do intent to be less active). See you in battle. o7 Sorry to see you dial back, though I don't blame you at all. There's only so much effort anyone can put in without seeing a return on investment, and you're only the latest in a long tradition now of vets gracefully stepping away after trying their best and hitting a wall. I also know full well that this is a morale blow to other players, some of which will also leave as a result. To address the OP - Unfortunately far too many players have threatened to quit or take a break from Dust over just about every little change that its no longer reasonable to expect CCP to respond to that kind of appeal. That being said, CCP is a business at the end of the day, and can only expect to maintain customers if they put effort into the relationship they have with their players (however meager at times). The plight of the scout is rather specific, but also related to a much more deep-seated problem. I'll start with the more deep-seated problem first: CCP has left a trail of half finished projects winding all the way back to April of last year when the first beta keys were handed out. The reasons why are still lost on me, and one can only hope that CCP Rouge has the business sense to end this pattern once and for all. Its still too early to tell. We see evidence of this everywhere: even the recent FW changes rely on a marketplace and team deploy to function, both of which currently exist as "things we need to do". The Sentinel bonus is the posterchild (though I prefer to liken it to the nasty booger stuck in CCP's beard that they've left there for years). Simply put, they really had no business programming in a bonus to an unreleased weapon, in hopes they'd follow up with it later. They haven't, and I still have no idea when we'll see an Amarr heavy weapon. Planning for the future is one thing, saying "When we have __________ this will be awesome" is quite another. We often don't end up with _________, just the unfinished eyesore in the meantime. This brings us to the Scout, the latest casualty of this longstanding practice. Essentially Scouts are terrible because they're waiting around for Cloaks to make them not-terrible. But as everyone knows we don't have cloaks, just the half finished battlefield role. This isn't even a racial suit we're talking about, its a whole playstyle with its own dwindling fanbase. To me the solution is simple - its time for CCP to finish projects they start, and to do something radical for such a forward-thinking game. They need to start designing for the present. Not the future, not for "next patch", for the present. Every build should be highly playable, balanced, with design choices that inherently work in the context of the current release. Its great that CCP has plans for cloaks - but everyone deserves to be able to run as a Scout NOW if they'd like, not in several months. CCP should design with room for iteration in mind, but shouldn't be releasing content that depends on other content to function unless released simultaneously. All that to say, I'm totally emptyhanded in terms of encouragement here, I'd also be reaching that point of frustration if I were you and I don't blame you for your decision. As for me, all I can do for now is to continue to approach this with CCP Rouge as a process problem, not a tribal problem. None of this has anything to do with CCP shitting on Scouts in particular, or the Scout community - it has to do with failing to improve judgement over what content to release and balance and in what order. The sooner they learn that bleeding customers while waiting for a magic content bullet is just bad business, the sooner we can turn this around not just for Scouts but for everyone else in the community as well. If there's been a better CPM post, I'd like to see it
Well we know it was not this one,
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1527848#post1527848
Dusters - MMO WhenGäó ?
CCP - MMO SoonGäó .
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
4457
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Posted - 2013.12.06 20:24:00 -
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Anarchide wrote:So much dramas
and so little popcorn
[goes off to the grocery] Here, have some popcorn. I love to joke at drama, even when I'm creating it :D
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Aaroniero d'Lioncourt
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
301
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Posted - 2013.12.06 20:26:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I can't believe I actually almost shed a tear writing this.
Shows how much hope I had for this game.
You need to punch through a wall or do something manly real quick! |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
4459
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Posted - 2013.12.06 20:29:00 -
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Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote:Cat Merc wrote:I can't believe I actually almost shed a tear writing this.
Shows how much hope I had for this game. You need to punch through a wall or do something manly real quick! I turned into a lion because I meowed too hard. Does that count?
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Rozencrutz89
From The Mist
12
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Posted - 2013.12.06 20:30:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote:Cat Merc wrote:I can't believe I actually almost shed a tear writing this.
Shows how much hope I had for this game. You need to punch through a wall or do something manly real quick! I turned into a lion because I meowed too hard. Does that count?
I think it does lol.
https://www.youtube.com/user/Rozencrutz89 Dust Vids
http://rozencrutz89.blogspot.com/ Blog on FW Matches
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Qn1f3
Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2013.12.09 15:23:00 -
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o7, I long for the time when we once again could fulfill anything meaningful on the battlefields without dying instantly by a mere graze from the shockwave that slightly caressed our temples. That's how frail and weak we are, don't wither away. |
Shattered Mirage
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
362
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Posted - 2013.12.11 22:37:00 -
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Such a shame....
There are no facts, only interpretations.
I am a monument to all your sins
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