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Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2737	Posted - 2013.12.04 22:05:00 - [1] - Quote A shield recharge delay nerf, really? What logical reason could there be behind nerfing an already under preforming mod, without adding any kind of buff to counter it no less? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5789	Posted - 2013.12.04 22:06:00 - [2] - Quote I don't think it's going to be that significant. It's only if your shields are fully depleted - if your shields are depleted as a minja, how often do you need an extra half second of recharge? And it's only under-performing on scouts. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
mollerz Minja Scouts 1097	Posted - 2013.12.04 22:07:00 - [3] - Quote IT seems like that change could have waited for the infantry patch instead of jamming it in with the "vehicle" patch. #shittycoding
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 32	Posted - 2013.12.04 22:08:00 - [4] - Quote Well I hope the nerf gets nerfed for scouts and then some. Scouts -20% shield recharge delay per level Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
Suanar Daranaus Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2013.12.04 22:11:00 - [5] - Quote Because Brother, Min Scouts have been SO OP from the beginning that it has scared all other races and classes to death. ( I hope you know I'm Kidding ) Mini + Scout = Almost instant instant Death. I am a true glutten for punishment I guess. I will keep playing them.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1210	Posted - 2013.12.04 22:12:00 - [6] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: A shield recharge delay nerf, really? What logical reason could there be behind nerfing an already under preforming mod, without adding any kind of buff to counter it no less? There is a buff to counteract it. Shield Regulators. You even get to put it in your low slots. Cardiac Regulators are the counter to the drawback of Armor Plates. They compete for the same slot, and only affect run speed, not walk speed. Shields are getting a very minor drawback, IMHO. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 200/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 136	Posted - 2013.12.04 22:15:00 - [7] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: A shield recharge delay nerf, really? What logical reason could there be behind nerfing an already under preforming mod, without adding any kind of buff to counter it no less? It could have been worse... It could have been a huge signature penalty like they do in EVE... just sayin. ;)
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2741	Posted - 2013.12.04 22:21:00 - [8] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: A shield recharge delay nerf, really? What logical reason could there be behind nerfing an already under preforming mod, without adding any kind of buff to counter it no less? There is a buff to counteract it. Shield Regulators. You even get to put it in your low slots. Cardiac Regulators are the counter to the drawback of Armor Plates. They compete for the same slot, and only affect run speed, not walk speed. Shields are getting a very minor drawback, IMHO. 1: I already run shield regs. they're under preforming NOW so this is not going to make anything better. 2: Cardiac regs do not increase speed they increase stamina. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
mollerz Minja Scouts 1106	Posted - 2013.12.04 22:22:00 - [9] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: A shield recharge delay nerf, really? What logical reason could there be behind nerfing an already under preforming mod, without adding any kind of buff to counter it no less? There is a buff to counteract it. Shield Regulators. You even get to put it in your low slots. Cardiac Regulators are the counter to the drawback of Armor Plates. They compete for the same slot, and only affect run speed, not walk speed. Shields are getting a very minor drawback, IMHO. So Minjas have to give up speed tanking so they can shore up stacking penalties on their defense? hmm.. sounds lame in concept, but I see where you are going. Oops! Too bad we don't have the CPU to fit that bullshit band aid fit. Try playing a scout before you tell us how to. #shittycoding
Suanar Daranaus Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2013.12.04 22:25:00 - [10] - Quote mollerz wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: A shield recharge delay nerf, really? What logical reason could there be behind nerfing an already under preforming mod, without adding any kind of buff to counter it no less? There is a buff to counteract it. Shield Regulators. You even get to put it in your low slots. Cardiac Regulators are the counter to the drawback of Armor Plates. They compete for the same slot, and only affect run speed, not walk speed. Shields are getting a very minor drawback, IMHO. So Minjas have to give up speed tanking so they can shore up stacking penalties on their defense? hmm.. sounds lame in concept, but I see where you are going. Oops! Too bad we don't have the CPU to fit that bullshit band aid fit. Try playing a scout before you tell us how to. This ^^^^

Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1211	Posted - 2013.12.04 22:27:00 - [11] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: 2: Cardiac regs do not increase speed they increase stamina. My bad, yo. I meant Kinetic Catalyzers. But I'll venture a guess that you knew what module I was referring to. You're a minja though, Sinboto? I guess I can see the anger, since they live by shield recharge more than any other suit... I still think that on the whole, it's a relatively minor nerf to something that should have always had a drawback. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 200/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5578	Posted - 2013.12.04 22:28:00 - [12] - Quote Looks like I'm gonna have to sacrifice one kin cat for a shield reg now. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4101	Posted - 2013.12.04 22:29:00 - [13] - Quote It's a nerf to depleted recharge delay only. It's also a nerf that only applies when you're stacking Shield Extenders, which Scouts usually aren't. If you are, you have more shields, which means less likely to end up depleting your shields and needing that depleted recharge.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5578	Posted - 2013.12.04 22:30:00 - [14] - Quote I'm still bummed out that there are no further improvements posted for nova knives. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2742	Posted - 2013.12.04 22:32:00 - [15] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: It's a nerf to depleted recharge delay only. It's also a nerf that only applies when you're stacking Shield Extenders, which Scouts usually aren't. If you are, you have more shields, which means less likely to end up depleting your shields and needing that depleted recharge. Um ok....... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
mollerz Minja Scouts 1109	Posted - 2013.12.04 22:42:00 - [16] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I'm still bummed out that there are no further improvements posted for nova knives. I'd love to see a Minja knife. Especially with the advent of an LP store. #shittycoding
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5581	Posted - 2013.12.04 23:16:00 - [17] - Quote mollerz wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I'm still bummed out that there are no further improvements posted for nova knives. I'd love to see a Minja knife. Especially with the advent of an LP store. Which makes me wonder. Does the LP store have nova knives? OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Oswald Rehnquist 777	Posted - 2013.12.04 23:18:00 - [18] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: mollerz wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I'm still bummed out that there are no further improvements posted for nova knives. I'd love to see a Minja knife. Especially with the advent of an LP store. Which makes me wonder. Does the LP store have nova knives? Yes they do, which makes me tempted to skill into nova knives just so I can use my LP for something, either that or I"m going the sniper route. Below 28 dB
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5581	Posted - 2013.12.04 23:20:00 - [19] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: mollerz wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I'm still bummed out that there are no further improvements posted for nova knives. I'd love to see a Minja knife. Especially with the advent of an LP store. Which makes me wonder. Does the LP store have nova knives? Yes they do, which makes me tempted to skill into nova knives just so I can use my LP for something, either that or I"m going the sniper route. Ok good. Because those nova knives are my primary weapon. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
mollerz Minja Scouts 1112	Posted - 2013.12.04 23:22:00 - [20] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: mollerz wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I'm still bummed out that there are no further improvements posted for nova knives. I'd love to see a Minja knife. Especially with the advent of an LP store. Which makes me wonder. Does the LP store have nova knives? Yes. But only with the Caldari faction. #shittycoding

Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 34	Posted - 2013.12.04 23:31:00 - [21] - Quote It's a mace made out of an Amarr helmet and a scrambler rifle for the basic minmaters melee weapon and flail for the ADV is made from an Amarr heavies arm holding a proximity mine to give it AV ability. Hardest thing was to get the heavy to grip equipment. Their puny fat fingers just don't cut it. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
Zero Notion Wraith Company 370	Posted - 2013.12.04 23:46:00 - [22] - Quote I think they want people to explore the other modules and build new fits in order to gather data on its performance but it is also, seemingly, an insignificant change due to the mechanics in the context of the current battlefield environment. TTK is so low that the modules don't offer enough to offset this issue (unless you are in a city map, then they might be more useful). I've explored energizers and regulators and they are so, so, so seemingly situational (the modules) that they would be better served as modules that can be activated rather than serving a static bonus. They're a waste of SP and a waste of a slot, especially for scouts. We are basically in an age of Burst Damage thanks to the nature of AR mechanics coupled with the power of complex damage mods (along with proficiency). The current map choices really limit the viability of utilizing different weapons and their optimal ranges in context with the scale of the maps seems..off. It doesn't seem balanced. Why are people angry? Because shield feels broken, this doesn't seem to serve in improving the game in any way because there is the narrative that more players are using complex damage mods over shield extenders. They nerfed a mechanic that isn't utilized while feeling underpowered in its current and in doing so, continued to devalue the usefulness of the scout suit which, patch after patch, does not see any sort of development beyond the passive scan range increase. The range boost does not offer enough to return any sort of battlefield strength to the scout, since they're made of paper and do not have enough Ewar or stealth capability that actually matters. Maybe they did it in preparation for 1.8 and need to collect the data now to help improve 1.8 but without explaining why they did it, it feels like a slap in the face for scouts and leaves other players baffled as to why it was necessary at all.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 171	Posted - 2013.12.05 00:42:00 - [23] - Quote Lol, i tried energizers on my Scout and i was like: "WTF are these good for?!?" The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11037	Posted - 2013.12.05 00:49:00 - [24] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: A shield recharge delay nerf, really? What logical reason could there be behind nerfing an already under preforming mod, without adding any kind of buff to counter it no less? It could have been worse... It could have been a huge signature penalty like they do in EVE... just sayin. ;) Cept that signature radius in dust 514 is not that as impactful as it is in eve, sig radius increases the amount of damage you eat in eve. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Infantry Armoring =// Unlocked
Aria Gomes Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 162	Posted - 2013.12.05 00:59:00 - [25] - Quote So now I have to get a shield energizer/regulator now? :-/ Why a nerf to shield delay? Being a Minmatar shouldn't be this rough.
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 34	Posted - 2013.12.05 01:02:00 - [26] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Jadd Hatchen wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: A shield recharge delay nerf, really? What logical reason could there be behind nerfing an already under preforming mod, without adding any kind of buff to counter it no less? It could have been worse... It could have been a huge signature penalty like they do in EVE... just sayin. ;) Cept that signature radius in dust 514 is not that as impactful as it is in eve, sig radius increases the amount of damage you eat in eve. Ohhh a damage mod on weapons based on profile would be nice ie those ARs ability to auto aim depends on the profile of the user. If you can't normally scan them no AA, it would make scouts more viable. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 343	Posted - 2013.12.05 01:08:00 - [27] - Quote This probably hits scouts the least just because they don't usually stack a lot of Extenders. Gal scout is pretty much unaffected. A nice Nerf to the minja. Just throw this onto the pile of changes that aren't meant to hurt the scout but somehow they get the shaft every time. Ugh. It sucks to be a scout.
Vesperz D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 17	Posted - 2013.12.05 05:47:00 - [28] - Quote I mainly run one kin and a cat, now I can't do that it seems. This is damn frustrating. Scouts shafted again. An assassin's blade isn't seen nor heard, it is felt.
Demon Buddah NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 62	Posted - 2013.12.05 05:51:00 - [29] - Quote So now I'm also getting a recharge nerf to? Wtf yo... Speed tanking is impossible, and now shield tanking is going to be a *****? Just give me a damn suicide bomber suit. I'll run that.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 286	Posted - 2013.12.05 06:12:00 - [30] - Quote Good thing i put down 'go five all minmatar stuff!' And decided on skilling gallentes... Doesn't help my minnieassault though... 5 high slots... 1 extender, 1 dmg mod, 3 energizrs followed by double regs? WTF YOU WAN ME TO RUN!? LAV murder man: "I can kill with rails, therefore they're OP." NERF THE SCOUTS!

Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 286	Posted - 2013.12.05 06:33:00 - [31] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Good thing i put down 'go five all minmatar stuff!' And decided on skilling gallentes... Doesn't help my minnieassault though... 5 high slots... 1 extender, 1 dmg mod, 3 energizrs followed by double regs? WTF YOU WAN ME TO RUN!? Edit: for the record, currently i run split damage mods, as trying to pure shield tank before was just suicide, caldaris could leave 1 slot empty and STILL have more shield than my proto, all 5 extenders. Thus i run 2 complex extenders, 2 split complex damage mods, and either a recharger or another enhanced dmg mod. Gotta chew through stacks of HP one way or another. LAV murder man: "I can kill with rails, therefore they're OP." CCP give me duct-tape extenders!
Ghost Kaisar THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED 963	Posted - 2013.12.05 06:44:00 - [32] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: A shield recharge delay nerf, really? What logical reason could there be behind nerfing an already under preforming mod, without adding any kind of buff to counter it no less? There is a buff to counteract it. Shield Regulators. You even get to put it in your low slots. Cardiac Regulators are the counter to the drawback of Armor Plates. They compete for the same slot, and only affect run speed, not walk speed. Shields are getting a very minor drawback, IMHO. You do realize that means that we have to waste a low slot for that right? WE ONLY HAVE 2 LOW SLOTS "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2787	Posted - 2013.12.05 06:49:00 - [33] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: A shield recharge delay nerf, really? What logical reason could there be behind nerfing an already under preforming mod, without adding any kind of buff to counter it no less? There is a buff to counteract it. Shield Regulators. You even get to put it in your low slots. Cardiac Regulators are the counter to the drawback of Armor Plates. They compete for the same slot, and only affect run speed, not walk speed. Shields are getting a very minor drawback, IMHO. You do realize that means that we have to waste a low slot for that right? WE ONLY HAVE 2 LOW SLOTS And one is always filled. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1213	Posted - 2013.12.05 14:19:00 - [34] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: You do realize that means that we have to waste a low slot for that right? WE ONLY HAVE 2 LOW SLOTS Man, I get it. You're a minja. You rely on shield recharge more than anyone else. The clouds parted, God peeked down, then turned around and took yet another a giant dump on you. Scouts in general need buffs, not death by papercut nerfs. I will rally for every "Buff Scouts" thread I see. But here's the thing, and please let me be clear: SCOUT SUITS ARE NOT THE ONLY SUITS CAPABLE OF FITTING SHIELD EXTENDERS. Can you acknowledge that? The module has needed a drawback since the creation of this game. It's been planned for a long time and CCP is getting to this incredibly late, but they got to it. Also: we don't have stats on the severity of the drawback yet. We can judge whether the sky is actually falling once they are released. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 200/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 771	Posted - 2013.12.05 14:49:00 - [35] - Quote Minmatar suits in general are taking a big hit from this but Matari scouts, the weakest suit in the game, are definately taking the biggest hit. Gallente scouts who rely on shields instead of reactive or ferroscale plates are going to be heavily effected too, but the entire Minmatar lineup is being crippled by this decision. Fix TTK!!! MATARI PRIDE!!! Tears For Our Dearly Departed ReGnYuM. May He One Day Return To Shoot Us All In The Face...
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 382	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:14:00 - [36] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: SCOUT SUITS ARE NOT THE ONLY SUITS CAPABLE OF FITTING SHIELD EXTENDERS. Can you acknowledge that? The module has needed a drawback since the creation of this game. It's been planned for a long time and CCP is getting to this incredibly late, but they got to it. . You are right, and the only saving grace is that it will "effect" scouts the least because we have the shortest delay already. 5% of small number is less than 5% of a big number. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Twitch
Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 466	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:23:00 - [37] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: A shield recharge delay nerf, really? What logical reason could there be behind nerfing an already under preforming mod, without adding any kind of buff to counter it no less? Im lucky i didnt push any further into my Minmatar Assault suit this month, if i had then it would be pretty much useless. Minjas, my prayers are with you.
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 496	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:32:00 - [38] - Quote Minmatar need an EMP-type grenade that will seize non projectile weapons for x seconds While they are at it - Please bring the FP in line with the Pistol and SMG where it should have been instead of uber-nerfed.
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 149	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:58:00 - [39] - Quote Tch Tch wrote: It's a mace made out of an Amarr helmet and a scrambler rifle for the basic minmaters melee weapon and flail for the ADV is made from an Amarr heavies arm holding a proximity mine to give it AV ability. Hardest thing was to get the heavy to grip equipment. Their puny fat fingers just don't cut it. Nope. The Minmatar melee weapon should be this: Khumaak: The Khumaak (literally "Hand of Maak") is a replica of an ancient Amarrian relic used 125 years ago by a Minmatar slave to kill his master, thereby sparking a revolt on Arzad II (also known as Starkman Prime). This revolt, while precipitating the almost total annihilation of the Starkmanir Minmatar tribe, has in historical retrospect come to be credited as one of the seminal events in the larger Minmatar uprising. The weapon itself is a three-foot rod with a spiked solar disc on the top, the design of the original relic believed to date back to the pre-Reclaiming era of Amarrian prophet Dano Geinok. It isn't believed to have been intended as a weapon originally, but as a rod of command for high-ranking members of the Amarrian Conformist clergy. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Khumaak
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 149	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:59:00 - [40] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Jadd Hatchen wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: A shield recharge delay nerf, really? What logical reason could there be behind nerfing an already under preforming mod, without adding any kind of buff to counter it no less? It could have been worse... It could have been a huge signature penalty like they do in EVE... just sayin. ;) Cept that signature radius in dust 514 is not that as impactful as it is in eve, sig radius increases the amount of damage you eat in eve. Agreed, however in DUST a higher signature means you are guaranteed to be found by scans all the time and thus will never be able to sneak up on anyone.



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