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Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4544	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:13:00 - [1] - Quote I didn't search for the thread that a dude made with a video proving the aiming is broken. To be more specific, the "cone of fire" is the literally the size of a pixel. Logibro passed through I think saying something about telling the devs... but yeeeeaaaaa, after that not a word from anyone about it. So here's 1.7, not a word from any dev about fixing the broken mechanic. Maybe 1.8? I don't think CCP understand the frustration people go through knowing their weapon is broken beyond belief, and there's no ETA on a fix. No rush, it's only a broken weapon that the masses don't use. Would bet if it was the AR that fix would have been patched in a week. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 3468	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:16:00 - [2] - Quote Logibro: Apparently the HMG is broke, something about the cone of fire not working correctly. CCP Dev: Remind me, is the HMG a Caldari weapon? Logibro: No CCP Dev: Alright then, we'll deal with it in 2 years! Forum Prison Escapee Yes, 1.7 is going to suck. T_T
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4057	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:16:00 - [3] - Quote I can't tell you how dissapointed I am. I even had a response from support that the HMG was not working as intended. I assumed since it was approx. A month ago when I received the mail they had plenty of time to actually fix it. I mean come on the HMG needs some serious re working!
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4544	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:18:00 - [4] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: I can't tell you how dissapointed I am. I even had a response from support that the HMG was not working as intended. I assumed since it was approx. A month ago when I received the mail they had plenty of time to actually fix it. I mean come on the HMG needs some serious re working! As I said, if it was the AR that fix would have been done ASAP! HMG? "LOL! Who uses that crap?! Leave it there for now, we'll get back to that like we did the proto tanks" ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 128	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:31:00 - [5] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I didn't search for the thread that a dude made with a video proving the aiming is broken. To be more specific, the "cone of fire" is the literally the size of a pixel. Logibro passed through I think saying something about telling the devs... but yeeeeaaaaa, after that not a word from anyone about it. So here's 1.7, not a word from any dev about fixing the broken mechanic. Maybe 1.8? I don't think CCP understand the frustration people go through knowing their weapon is broken beyond belief, and there's no ETA on a fix. No rush, it's only a broken weapon that the masses don't use. Would bet if it was the AR that fix would have been patched in a week. You're stupid. That video didn't prove that the HMG was broken, it only proved that the aiming reticule provided in the game was wrong! Instead of providing you with a "spray and pray" lazy shooter weapon they gave you a super accurate automatic heavy weapon. Learn what the REAL characteristics of the weapons in this game ARE and replace your imaginary misconceptions about them, then use them to better effect.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4545	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:35:00 - [6] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I didn't search for the thread that a dude made with a video proving the aiming is broken. To be more specific, the "cone of fire" is the literally the size of a pixel. Logibro passed through I think saying something about telling the devs... but yeeeeaaaaa, after that not a word from anyone about it. So here's 1.7, not a word from any dev about fixing the broken mechanic. Maybe 1.8? I don't think CCP understand the frustration people go through knowing their weapon is broken beyond belief, and there's no ETA on a fix. No rush, it's only a broken weapon that the masses don't use. Would bet if it was the AR that fix would have been patched in a week. You're stupid. That video didn't prove that the HMG was broken, it only proved that the aiming reticule provided in the game was wrong! Instead of providing you with a "spray and pray" lazy shooter weapon they gave you a super accurate automatic heavy weapon. Learn what the REAL characteristics of the weapons in this game ARE and replace your imaginary misconceptions about them, then use them to better effect. Soooo having a pixel to aim with is not broken? And you call me stupid? How about you become R.E.L.E.V.A.N.T. before calling someone names Oh btw, the HMG is suppose to have a cone of fire aka, bullet spread. The video also proved there's no bullet spread. "Knowing is half the battle" ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8324	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:36:00 - [7] - Quote I just want to trade in my HMG skills for SMG skills, you know, cuz it's better at being a heavy machine gun, and you can carry two! Win ISK / Vids / O7
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 2169	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:39:00 - [8] - Quote The current AR still deals the most damage but now has the lowest range. What this means is that if you get close the HMG is still deadly. Now it's all well and good that we joke about the HMG not hitting the broadside of a barn before it overheats at 20m, but it is given that the heavy who is supported by a logibro is an OP heavy. If I can solo as a heavy when it's not even my main role and go positive with a HMG, then it's not exactly the worst weapon out there. Play your cards right and I reckon it'll be even better than previously because fixes to explosive damage means grenades and MDs are less likely to blow you up instantly, and every second you stay alive my repair tool is giving you another 100hp. "When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 183	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:41:00 - [9] - Quote I think CCP Logibro is the only who can relate to the players. He can read and understand whats going on. I give him props on trying to help the players out. To bad we cant donate to are CCP member's. Im sure he would get the most out of anyone. Anything that deals with heavys is SOONtm. Dont worry. Maybe next year it will be fixed. What ever CCP member works on heavys if there is one doesnt work the fastest or stands up for us fat people. Heavys only have 2 heavy guns. Please dont turn the NERF bat on them. Give heavys more suits or guns please :D
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4549	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:42:00 - [10] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: The current AR still deals the most damage but now has the lowest range. What this means is that if you get close the HMG is still deadly. Now it's all well and good that we joke about the HMG not hitting the broadside of a barn before it overheats at 20m, but it is given that the heavy who is supported by a logibro is an OP heavy. If I can solo as a heavy when it's not even my main role and go positive with a HMG, then it's not exactly the worst weapon out there. Play your cards right and I reckon it'll be even better than previously because fixes to explosive damage means grenades and MDs are less likely to blow you up instantly, and every second you stay alive my repair tool is giving you another 100hp. Please, this "I play solo in pub games and do well" crap needs to stop. It's the reason why the class is a joke at any competitive lvl. Edit: any class can do well in pub games... that's right, ANY class. Put a shotgun with a heavy and he'll do decent so long as he knows where to play. That class won't do anything in competitive environment. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1744	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:43:00 - [11] - Quote While it would be nice to have the HMG working as intended, seeing that video and coming to understand how the HMG actually works, doubled my average kill count on my Heavy.
J0hlss0n Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 48	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:43:00 - [12] - Quote Hey now, we dont need a fix to the HMG, theres new assault rifles coming.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4549	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:45:00 - [13] - Quote J0hlss0n wrote: Hey now, we dont need a fix to the HMG, theres new assault rifles coming. haha ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5769	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:48:00 - [14] - Quote That video came... a few weeks ago? At that point, 1.7 was locked. Of course, it'd be nice if we'd been told what was in it at that point so we could have given constructive feedback before the next patch is locked, but I suppose that would be much too hard for CCP. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4060	Posted - 2013.12.05 01:53:00 - [15] - Quote Well at least the forge gun got nerfed. Yea! more reason to love playing the heavy
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1580	Posted - 2013.12.05 01:57:00 - [16] - Quote Don't "fix" my HMG, ever since learning that "broken" mechanic I've been scoring headshot after headshot with the HMG thanks to my years of scrambler pistol training! Awww yisss Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 34	Posted - 2013.12.05 02:03:00 - [17] - Quote They are reskinning it, adding a line of light and renaming it Heavy Laser. Of course it overheats in 4 seconds but can't get everything... The feedback is enough to kill a mini scout or about 10% of a heavy. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1353	Posted - 2013.12.05 02:16:00 - [18] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I didn't search for the thread that a dude made with a video proving the aiming is broken. To be more specific, the "cone of fire" is the literally the size of a pixel. Logibro passed through I think saying something about telling the devs... but yeeeeaaaaa, after that not a word from anyone about it. So here's 1.7, not a word from any dev about fixing the broken mechanic. Maybe 1.8? I don't think CCP understand the frustration people go through knowing their weapon is broken beyond belief, and there's no ETA on a fix. No rush, it's only a broken weapon that the masses don't use. Would bet if it was the AR that fix would have been patched in a week. You're stupid. That video didn't prove that the HMG was broken, it only proved that the aiming reticule provided in the game was wrong! Instead of providing you with a "spray and pray" lazy shooter weapon they gave you a super accurate automatic heavy weapon. Learn what the REAL characteristics of the weapons in this game ARE and replace your imaginary misconceptions about them, then use them to better effect. You are incorrect. After discovering this myself months before the video was posted, I filed a ticket and checked the threads. CCP stated that the HMG fire is supposed to disperse inside the cone and as you fire, the dispersion reduces, thus the cone gets slightly tighter. The weapon, in its current state, is broken. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4060	Posted - 2013.12.05 03:14:00 - [19] - Quote What is sad is there are so few heavy HMG users left who are even fighting for a fix. Most great heavies have moved on to the rifle brigade
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2744	Posted - 2013.12.05 03:15:00 - [20] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I didn't search for the thread that a dude made with a video proving the aiming is broken. To be more specific, the "cone of fire" is the literally the size of a pixel. Logibro passed through I think saying something about telling the devs... but yeeeeaaaaa, after that not a word from anyone about it. So here's 1.7, not a word from any dev about fixing the broken mechanic. Maybe 1.8? I don't think CCP understand the frustration people go through knowing their weapon is broken beyond belief, and there's no ETA on a fix. No rush, it's only a broken weapon that the masses don't use. Would bet if it was the AR that fix would have been patched in a week. Welcome To ArmoredMed514 WELCOME! TO ARMORED MED514 : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1565076#post1565076

HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4061	Posted - 2013.12.05 03:23:00 - [21] - Quote Here is a quote from CCP Scotsman after sending in a ticket "Our development team are aware of the bullet dispersion not fully expanding along the 'cone' of the Heavy Machine Gun reticule. This is something that they are actively working on and hope to have deployed into the game sometime in the future. Unfortunately, as this is still being worked on, I cannot provide an exact timeframe as to when this deployment will occur"
castba Penguin's March 225	Posted - 2013.12.05 03:31:00 - [22] - Quote I love that the hit register point in the reticle is SMALLER THAN THAT OF THE LASER RIFLE. Precision instrument that hmg (Champagne comedy CCP. Love it) I Support SP Rollover
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4559	Posted - 2013.12.05 05:20:00 - [23] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: What is sad is there are so few heavy HMG users left who are even fighting for a fix. Most great heavies have moved on to the rifle brigade At this point there's probably literally a handful of closed beta heavy HMG users left still using the class. Sad thing. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4559	Posted - 2013.12.05 05:21:00 - [24] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Here is a quote from CCP Scotsman after sending in a ticket "Our development team are aware of the bullet dispersion not fully expanding along the 'cone' of the Heavy Machine Gun reticule. This is something that they are actively working on and hope to have deployed into the game sometime in the future. Unfortunately, as this is still being worked on, I cannot provide an exact timeframe as to when this deployment will occur" aka "fix coming whenever." ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2753	Posted - 2013.12.05 05:22:00 - [25] - Quote Welcome to Armored-Med514 WELCOME! TO ARMORED MED514 : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1565076#post1565076
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1088	Posted - 2013.12.05 05:23:00 - [26] - Quote Just give up and go assault like I did. Now is a good time to do a complete refresh. Pick a new suit, and try out the new weapons in 1.7. I gave up on the heavy a long time ago(1.2). I was a Beta Heavy and it hurts me to see how weak the class I once cherished and loved has been shat upon by CCP. RIP Heavy/HMG F* the Snowflake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
Sleepy Zan 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 2916	Posted - 2013.12.05 05:25:00 - [27] - Quote Lance I am giving you the award for MOST DEDICATED HEAVY. I don't recall seeing you play but I haven't anyone as emotionally invested in it as you. the Nunc Stans Soldier
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4559	Posted - 2013.12.05 05:27:00 - [28] - Quote calvin b wrote: Just give up and go assault like I did. Now is a good time to do a complete refresh. Pick a new suit, and try out the new weapons in 1.7. I gave up on the heavy a long time ago(1.2). I was a Beta Heavy and it hurts me to see how weak the class I once cherished and loved has been shat upon by CCP. RIP Heavy/HMG I gave up a long time ago, months now. Last time i played was Proto Gallente medium + Duvolle. I still try to speak up for the class, otherwise people go "I go 50-0 in pub games, so the class is fine!" People believe that pub games are a good marker for balance, which is why the class got hit with the hardest nerf in Uprising. So much tears from assault players in Chromosome, everyday a "HMG IS OP! NERF IT!!!" thread...Uprising released, not a single thread like those to date! Imagine that?!!!! What a ******* joke. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 129	Posted - 2013.12.05 08:24:00 - [29] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I didn't search for the thread that a dude made with a video proving the aiming is broken. To be more specific, the "cone of fire" is the literally the size of a pixel. Logibro passed through I think saying something about telling the devs... but yeeeeaaaaa, after that not a word from anyone about it. So here's 1.7, not a word from any dev about fixing the broken mechanic. Maybe 1.8? I don't think CCP understand the frustration people go through knowing their weapon is broken beyond belief, and there's no ETA on a fix. No rush, it's only a broken weapon that the masses don't use. Would bet if it was the AR that fix would have been patched in a week. It will likely come in a patch that adds proper dispersion for all weapons, as most either have no dispersion or no dispersion when ADS. As I understand it's mostly because the game has been balanced around awful hit detection and now that hit detection has been fixed TTK has gone through the floor and certain weapons are doing things that they were never really intended to do.
Brigitte Newt The Rainbow Effect 71	Posted - 2013.12.05 09:00:00 - [30] - Quote Heavies are a pure joke... I really hoped that they would do something and fix it... I really give up on heavy now..

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 2461	Posted - 2013.12.05 09:02:00 - [31] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I didn't search for the thread that a dude made with a video proving the aiming is broken. To be more specific, the "cone of fire" is the literally the size of a pixel. Logibro passed through I think saying something about telling the devs... but yeeeeaaaaa, after that not a word from anyone about it. So here's 1.7, not a word from any dev about fixing the broken mechanic. Maybe 1.8? I don't think CCP understand the frustration people go through knowing their weapon is broken beyond belief, and there's no ETA on a fix. No rush, it's only a broken weapon that the masses don't use. Would bet if it was the AR that fix would have been patched in a week. You're stupid. No, I'm pretty sure you are.
Rusty Shallows 555	Posted - 2013.12.05 09:13:00 - [32] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Jadd Hatchen wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I didn't search for the thread that a dude made with a video proving the aiming is broken. To be more specific, the "cone of fire" is the literally the size of a pixel. Logibro passed through I think saying something about telling the devs... but yeeeeaaaaa, after that not a word from anyone about it. So here's 1.7, not a word from any dev about fixing the broken mechanic. Maybe 1.8? I don't think CCP understand the frustration people go through knowing their weapon is broken beyond belief, and there's no ETA on a fix. No rush, it's only a broken weapon that the masses don't use. Would bet if it was the AR that fix would have been patched in a week. You're stupid. That video didn't prove that the HMG was broken, it only proved that the aiming reticule provided in the game was wrong! Instead of providing you with a "spray and pray" lazy shooter weapon they gave you a super accurate automatic heavy weapon. Learn what the REAL characteristics of the weapons in this game ARE and replace your imaginary misconceptions about them, then use them to better effect. Soooo having a pixel to aim with is not broken? And you call me stupid? How about you become R.E.L.E.V.A.N.T. before calling someone names Oh btw, the HMG is suppose to have a cone of fire aka, bullet spread. The video also proved there's no bullet spread. "Knowing is half the battle" Actually Jadd's reaction isn't all that uncommon. A number of people saw the video and made the assumption HMGs were getting all the DPS through the dot. Obviously if that was the case there would have been "HMG is OP!!!" threads left and right after the last hit-detection improvement. Personally I want to know where the missing dispersion shots went? "She may not be Miss Right but she'll do right now." SR-71 310k+ SP for +0.05m/s (>2in) on a Heavy. Totally worth it.
ZiwZih Seraphim Initiative.. 277	Posted - 2013.12.05 11:33:00 - [33] - Quote Seeing Heavy on the field today is like watching those RE montages with funny flying rag-dolls. No excitement. :( ZEN 514 Novi Eden na na+íem jeziku GÇö eveonline.rs
Snagman 313 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 175	Posted - 2013.12.05 12:17:00 - [34] - Quote I really do worry about the heavy class as a whole in Dust it doesn't seem to have be going anywhere other than down from closed beta. We got a bit of a reprieve on the last patch with a bit more armour but now with the new rifles coming in and engagement ranges increasing I find myself wishing for the old sharpshooter skill for the HMG, how many times have I found myself engaged at 30 to 40m in a street and running for cover while a lone guy with an AR pegs me, I can't stop to fire or I'll get headshot and if I advance he'll likely fall back to stay out of my optimal. Don't get me wrong put me inside of 30m and I'll shred most suits regardless of level as long as I'm using an equivalent level of gear but otherwise I'm in trouble, the ones that give me the most hassle are Gal suits with plates and Proto AR/SCR no doubt the guys are good and just peg me with headshots while I do the same but at least all their DPS goes on target I reckon the Fairies take the rest of mine. The only HMG that really deals out the pain like I feel it should is the Gatsuns Min-7 but I don't come across them very often. It's the one fitting I have used recently against a Protobear squad in FW where they backed off, the first time in a long time when I felt that they were saying "Fcking hell lads watch out that heavy's nasty" but to have to use an Officer weapon with 2 complex damage mods to get the effect that most heavies should give in some way or another is a bit of a heartache for me at least. I'm not the best HMG operator my main passion is the FG and Big game hunting but I ain't all that bad either. So I would have to look to folks like Lance, Smurf and DS-10 for true high end opinions on the right setup and how they perform in PC but I've got plenty of experience in Pubs and FW, and against experienced players it's not good in comparison to other setups. Personally I think rather than looking at Heavies in the grand scheme of things CCP need to look at them singularly and decide what it should do and what it should be capable of rather than going it's got 20% more DPS than the equivalent AR setup so it's a heavy. I do understand the need for balance having reaped the battlefields in Chromosome but at least then shotgun Scouts terrified me and I scared AR users a bit. Also who the hell implemented the Sentinel bonus of reduced feedback damage!!! For a weapon we won't have for another six months at best.... grumble grumble well I'm off to blow up vehicles for the time being. Closed Beta AV veteran I drink because I play Dust
GRUNT 78 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 20	Posted - 2013.12.05 12:47:00 - [35] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: What is sad is there are so few heavy HMG users left who are even fighting for a fix. Most great heavies have moved on to the rifle brigade Sad but true, I mean we've only been asking for hmg fix since deployment of uprising 6 months ago,(I reiterate), 6 MONTHS. The extinction of the TRUE HEAVY is very real and CCP has to be aware of the hvy class populace decrease. People just gave up,stopped askin and moved on. Btw,are there even any hvy's in the CPM? Need to have SOMEONE stand for heavy's. WE NEED A VOICE!!
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 313	Posted - 2013.12.05 12:59:00 - [36] - Quote I put 22mil SP into a pure heavy build but have barely touched it since I specced ARs and logi a month ago. Forge remains a viable role in competitive matches, especially now swarms and AV nades have been heavily nerfed, but I don't like forging in pubs, simply because it's boring. The HMG is nowhere near where it should be, and loses to AR or ScR at all ranges in a 1-on-1 situation where combatants are similarly skilled.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 1536	Posted - 2013.12.05 13:37:00 - [37] - Quote Although everyone who has tried to roll an HMG in PC will be able to tell you how UP it is, there is something in the patch notes that seem to have gone unnoticed. Quote: Added physical impulses to all weapon impacts. I am not saying that it will be fine, or that it still doesn't need to have the cone of fire looked at, but depending on how this is calibrated there could be a role for the HMG if these impact forces are set in such a way. So it might not be all dark. Maybe. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Snagman 313 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 177	Posted - 2013.12.05 14:28:00 - [38] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Although everyone who has tried to roll an HMG in PC will be able to tell you how UP it is, there is something in the patch notes that seem to have gone unnoticed. Quote: Added physical impulses to all weapon impacts. I am not saying that it will be fine, or that it still doesn't need to have the cone of fire looked at, but depending on how this is calibrated there could be a role for the HMG if these impact forces are set in such a way. So it might not be all dark. Maybe. Interesting interesting, I must admit I just scanned over it. I wonder if it will be a flat impulse across the board i.e. not taking damage into account but improving high fire rate weapons or if it will be ramped up or down on weapon damage hmmmmm very interesting. Good spot mate! Closed Beta AV veteran I drink because I play Dust
J0hlss0n Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 54	Posted - 2013.12.05 14:31:00 - [39] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: What is sad is there are so few heavy HMG users left who are even fighting for a fix. Most great heavies have moved on to the rifle brigade As long as Im in a heavy suit, I will be carrying either a HMG or a Forge, thats the way of playing a heavy if you ask me.
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 148	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:21:00 - [40] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Soooo having a pixel to aim with is not broken? And you call me stupid? How about you become R.E.L.E.V.A.N.T. before calling someone names Oh btw, the HMG is suppose to have a cone of fire aka, bullet spread. The video also proved there's no bullet spread. "Knowing is half the battle" WOW, you still don't get it do you? It doesn't matter what any "intent" was. What matters is how it works! Yes, the video proves there is no spread, does that mean it's broken? NO. It is very accurate, so use that to your advantage and stop trying to use it for the non-existent spray that is not there. And what is your beef with a pixel? An aiming sight is an aid in aiming. It doesn't matter if it's a pixel, a plus sign, an x, a square, a circle, a set of lines that snake into the distance, or whatever... Learn to use it correctly and you can hit the target every time. Yes knowing is part of the battle, but in this case you know that the HMG is not a spray and pray weapon, but insist that it should be... I call that insanity.

Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 149	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:33:00 - [41] - Quote J0hlss0n wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: What is sad is there are so few heavy HMG users left who are even fighting for a fix. Most great heavies have moved on to the rifle brigade As long as Im in a heavy suit, I will be carrying either a HMG or a Forge, thats the way of playing a heavy if you ask me. Good for you, but I feel for the heavies as there is still only one race's version to choose from and only two races' weapons to choose from and they don't even MATCH! Amarr Heavy suit - No Amarr Heavy Weapon (assumed to be a heavy laser) no Minmatar Heavy suit - HMG is the Mimatar Heavy weapon no Caldari Heavy suit - Forge Gun is the Caldari Heavy weapon no Galente Heavy suit - no Galente Heavy weapon (assumed to be a blaster) This is the real reason that trying to be Heavy suit operator sucks, you are limited to choices that make no sense.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1599	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:48:00 - [42] - Quote AR Scrub wrote: LOL I see heavies do fine all the time in PUB Matches. I almost lost to a Boundless HMG with my Duvolle, and if it can almost kill me when I'm using my AR, it needs to be nerfed. Maybe when you heavies GET GOOD, you'll realize that your class is F***ing OP. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
RAMB0 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:57:00 - [43] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I didn't search for the thread that a dude made with a video proving the aiming is broken. To be more specific, the "cone of fire" is the literally the size of a pixel. Logibro passed through I think saying something about telling the devs... but yeeeeaaaaa, after that not a word from anyone about it. So here's 1.7, not a word from any dev about fixing the broken mechanic. Maybe 1.8? I don't think CCP understand the frustration people go through knowing their weapon is broken beyond belief, and there's no ETA on a fix. No rush, it's only a broken weapon that the masses don't use. Would bet if it was the AR that fix would have been patched in a week. You're stupid. That video didn't prove that the HMG was broken, it only proved that the aiming reticule provided in the game was wrong! Instead of providing you with a "spray and pray" lazy shooter weapon they gave you a super accurate automatic heavy weapon. Learn what the REAL characteristics of the weapons in this game ARE and replace your imaginary misconceptions about them, then use them to better effect. Do you talk to people like that in person or only when hiding behing a monitor?
boba's fetta Operation Clone Shield 118	Posted - 2013.12.05 16:00:00 - [44] - Quote the hmg is a joke. instead of the very real fear i had when meeting one in cqc i mearly pull out my smg and hose them down. i want hmgs to be a real meanace again. and i dont even use the damm thing.
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 149	Posted - 2013.12.05 16:10:00 - [45] - Quote RAMB0 wrote: Do you talk to people like that in person or only when hiding behing a monitor? Actually I talk worse than that to my friends. the better I know someone the more 'comfortable' I am in letting them know how I really feel.
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4093	Posted - 2013.12.05 16:11:00 - [46] - Quote Here is a link to the video showing the issue with the HMG at this time in case any one has missed it https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1490858#post1490858
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1532	Posted - 2013.12.05 16:18:00 - [47] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Would bet if it was the AR that fix would have been patched in a week. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=123355 Already made a post about the problem with the AR. Guarantee the AR needs a nerf fix and not a buff fix, but it's stupid either way that the HMG thing isn't top priority, and that they needed a FREAKING VIDEO just to actually give us some acknowledgement on the subject. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 562	Posted - 2013.12.05 16:20:00 - [48] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: RAMB0 wrote: Do you talk to people like that in person or only when hiding behing a monitor? Actually I talk worse than that to my friends. the better I know someone the more 'comfortable' I am in letting them know how I really feel. You must not have many friends. The HMG since the day of it's inception has always been defined as a weapon with a large cone of fire designed to damage several people at once. This isn't something that we think it should be, this is what we have been told by CCP that it should be. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4585	Posted - 2013.12.05 18:17:00 - [49] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: Jadd Hatchen wrote: RAMB0 wrote: Do you talk to people like that in person or only when hiding behing a monitor? Actually I talk worse than that to my friends. the better I know someone the more 'comfortable' I am in letting them know how I really feel. You must not have many friends. The HMG since the day of it's inception has always been defined as a weapon with a large cone of fire designed to damage several people at once. This isn't something that we think it should be, this is what we have been told by CCP that it should be. woah... engaging a troll with logic? That never goes well around here. Watch him call you names, and then proceed to give opinions as fact. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 151	Posted - 2013.12.05 18:19:00 - [50] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: Jadd Hatchen wrote: RAMB0 wrote: Do you talk to people like that in person or only when hiding behing a monitor? Actually I talk worse than that to my friends. the better I know someone the more 'comfortable' I am in letting them know how I really feel. You must not have many friends. The HMG since the day of it's inception has always been defined as a weapon with a large cone of fire designed to damage several people at once. This isn't something that we think it should be, this is what we have been told by CCP that it should be. Well until they actually change it, it remains to be a highly accurate, high damage, close range weapon.

Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1590	Posted - 2013.12.05 18:21:00 - [51] - Quote I feel like the only guy who likes the zero dispersion... Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4586	Posted - 2013.12.05 18:22:00 - [52] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: MassiveNine wrote: Jadd Hatchen wrote: RAMB0 wrote: Do you talk to people like that in person or only when hiding behing a monitor? Actually I talk worse than that to my friends. the better I know someone the more 'comfortable' I am in letting them know how I really feel. You must not have many friends. The HMG since the day of it's inception has always been defined as a weapon with a large cone of fire designed to damage several people at once. This isn't something that we think it should be, this is what we have been told by CCP that it should be. Well until they actually change it, it remains to be a highly accurate, high damage, close range weapon. "high damage"? haha ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
George Moros Area 514 204	Posted - 2013.12.05 19:10:00 - [53] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Soooo having a pixel to aim with is not broken? And you call me stupid? How about you become R.E.L.E.V.A.N.T. before calling someone names Oh btw, the HMG is suppose to have a cone of fire aka, bullet spread. The video also proved there's no bullet spread. "Knowing is half the battle" WOW, you still don't get it do you? It doesn't matter what any "intent" was. What matters is how it works! Yes, the video proves there is no spread, does that mean it's broken? NO. It is very accurate, so use that to your advantage and stop trying to use it for the non-existent spray that is not there. And what is your beef with a pixel? An aiming sight is an aid in aiming. It doesn't matter if it's a pixel, a plus sign, an x, a square, a circle, a set of lines that snake into the distance, or whatever... Learn to use it correctly and you can hit the target every time. Yes knowing is part of the battle, but in this case you know that the HMG is not a spray and pray weapon, but insist that it should be... I call that insanity. So, let's use an (exaggerated) analogy to see how insanely pointless your arguments really are. Suppose CCP changes the HMG by making it work exactly like a sniper rifle. You know, semi-automatic, high damage, extremely long range, high power scope but no hipfire aiming reticule etc. And while all the mechanics of the HMG are actually that of a sniper rifle, CCP insists that it is in fact, a HMG (it looks like a HMG, after all). So, of course, people start complaining and whining that HMG isn't working as intended (or at least, as any intuitive reasoning would expect it to work). And your reply to them would be - "It doesn't matter what any "intent" was. What matters is how it works!" ? Really? Pulvereus ergo queritor.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1607	Posted - 2013.12.05 19:15:00 - [54] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: MassiveNine wrote: Jadd Hatchen wrote: RAMB0 wrote: Do you talk to people like that in person or only when hiding behing a monitor? Actually I talk worse than that to my friends. the better I know someone the more 'comfortable' I am in letting them know how I really feel. You must not have many friends. The HMG since the day of it's inception has always been defined as a weapon with a large cone of fire designed to damage several people at once. This isn't something that we think it should be, this is what we have been told by CCP that it should be. Well until they actually change it, it remains to be a highly accurate, high damage, close range weapon. What is your definition of high damage? Are you referring to the Burst HMG? Even then it can't outperform most High damage CQC weapons. And there is a fine line between high accuracy and laser accuracy, which is currently what the HMG has. Laser accuracy. It operates like a CQC Laser Rifle, but the weapon is huge, you have slow turning & strafing speeds, a reticule that is as misleading as this game's "diversity"; it becomes broken. The fact that has a reticule highly similar to the shotgun, I doubt that CCP designed it to be the way it is. I thought my troll when I said the HMG was fine was funny, but you..... Your just terrible. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 152	Posted - 2013.12.05 19:18:00 - [55] - Quote George Moros wrote: So, let's use an (exaggerated) analogy to see how insanely pointless your arguments really are. Suppose CCP changes the HMG by making it work exactly like a sniper rifle. You know, semi-automatic, high damage, extremely long range, high power scope but no hipfire aiming reticule etc. And while all the mechanics of the HMG are actually that of a sniper rifle, CCP insists that it is in fact, a HMG (it looks like a HMG, after all). So, of course, people start complaining and whining that HMG isn't working as intended (or at least, as any intuitive reasoning would expect it to work). And your reply to them would be - "It doesn't matter what any "intent" was. What matters is how it works!" ? Really? Yes really. EVE and now DUST have this one thing in common. Items, functions, tool, etc in (and sometimes outside of) the game are just that... tools for the players to determine how and when to put to best usage. If an HMG is a better sniper rifle, then guess what weapon snipers will end up using? Similarly, there is an option to add players to your contacts list and then see when they log in or not. In EVE you don't put your friends in this list, you put your war targets in this list... Then when they log in you know it and can either take precautions to be more careful or to track them down and kill them. It's a mechanic to let you keep track of your "friends" but it makes a much better tool to keep intel on your enemies. It doesn't matter how a game mechanic works, it just matters that you use it to your advantage.
boowah Critical RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 1	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:40:00 - [56] - Quote Snagman 313 wrote: I really do worry about the heavy class as a whole in Dust it doesn't seem to have be going anywhere other than down from closed beta. We got a bit of a reprieve on the last patch with a bit more armour but now with the new rifles coming in and engagement ranges increasing I find myself wishing for the old sharpshooter skill for the HMG, how many times have I found myself engaged at 30 to 40m in a street and running for cover while a lone guy with an AR pegs me, I can't stop to fire or I'll get headshot and if I advance he'll likely fall back to stay out of my optimal. Don't get me wrong put me inside of 30m and I'll shred most suits regardless of level as long as I'm using an equivalent level of gear but otherwise I'm in trouble, the ones that give me the most hassle are Gal suits with plates and Proto AR/SCR no doubt the guys are good and just peg me with headshots while I do the same but at least all their DPS goes on target I reckon the Fairies take the rest of mine. The only HMG that really deals out the pain like I feel it should is the Gatsuns Min-7 but I don't come across them very often. It's the one fitting I have used recently against a Protobear squad in FW where they backed off, the first time in a long time when I felt that they were saying "Fcking hell lads watch out that heavy's nasty" but to have to use an Officer weapon with 2 complex damage mods to get the effect that most heavies should give in some way or another is a bit of a heartache for me at least. I'm not the best HMG operator my main passion is the FG and Big game hunting but I ain't all that bad either. So I would have to look to folks like Lance, Smurf and DS-10 for true high end opinions on the right setup and how they perform in PC but I've got plenty of experience in Pubs and FW, and against experienced players it's not good in comparison to other setups. Personally I think rather than looking at Heavies in the grand scheme of things CCP need to look at them singularly and decide what it should do and what it should be capable of rather than going it's got 20% more DPS than the equivalent AR setup so it's a heavy. I do understand the need for balance having reaped the battlefields in Chromosome but at least then shotgun Scouts terrified me and I scared AR users a bit. Also who the hell implemented the Sentinel bonus of reduced feedback damage!!! For a weapon we won't have for another six months at best.... grumble grumble well I'm off to blow up vehicles for the time being. +1 The CCP promised us when they opened sentinel class in DS they will give us a new weapon what will make usefull the sentinel weapon bonus. It was 6 months ago?! Ty!! Why couldn't set up an useable (compensate) bonus temporarly give us on it, like 1-2% +on hmg damage?! As I see from 1.3 the heavies are unforgotten soldiers.
George Moros Area 514 206	Posted - 2013.12.06 14:19:00 - [57] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Yes really. EVE and now DUST have this one thing in common. Items, functions, tool, etc in (and sometimes outside of) the game are just that... tools for the players to determine how and when to put to best usage. If an HMG is a better sniper rifle, then guess what weapon snipers will end up using? Similarly, there is an option to add players to your contacts list and then see when they log in or not. In EVE you don't put your friends in this list, you put your war targets in this list... Then when they log in you know it and can either take precautions to be more careful or to track them down and kill them. It's a mechanic to let you keep track of your "friends" but it makes a much better tool to keep intel on your enemies. It doesn't matter how a game mechanic works, it just matters that you use it to your advantage. I am very well aware of the fact that in EVE, contact lists and local chat channels, are used as intel tools, and not for comms. However, even in EVE, you don't have autocannons that work like beam lasers. And if autocannons were made to work like beam lasers (for whatever reason), the ensuing shitstorm on EVE forums would be spectacular. Pulvereus ergo queritor.
ReGnYuM Vindictive State 1435	Posted - 2013.12.06 14:32:00 - [58] - Quote So OP is mad that his HMG, with the Highest RoF, with zero dispersion, in hitscan... is broken LMFAO If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR>ALL Sig Move: Minmatar Crub Stomp
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 168	Posted - 2013.12.06 14:49:00 - [59] - Quote George Moros wrote: I am very well aware of the fact that in EVE, contact lists and local chat channels, are used as intel tools, and not for comms. However, even in EVE, you don't have autocannons that work like beam lasers. And if autocannons were made to work like beam lasers (for whatever reason), the ensuing shitstorm on EVE forums would be spectacular. And all the while during that shitstorm, those EVE players with autocannons would be reaping all the tears in the game.
IraqiFriendshipExplosive Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2013.12.06 16:04:00 - [60] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I didn't search for the thread that a dude made with a video proving the aiming is broken. To be more specific, the "cone of fire" is the literally the size of a pixel. Logibro passed through I think saying something about telling the devs... but yeeeeaaaaa, after that not a word from anyone about it. So here's 1.7, not a word from any dev about fixing the broken mechanic. Maybe 1.8? I don't think CCP understand the frustration people go through knowing their weapon is broken beyond belief, and there's no ETA on a fix. No rush, it's only a broken weapon that the masses don't use. Would bet if it was the AR that fix would have been patched in a week. Dude, PC matches have been laggy and frame rate BROKEN for over a year with no fix in sight. Why do you think people keep leaving this game? haha.

IraqiFriendshipExplosive Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2013.12.06 16:06:00 - [61] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: So OP is mad that his HMG, with the Highest RoF, with zero dispersion, in hitscan... is broken LMFAO Hey I read you stopped playing. Checking back to see if there is good news too huh? Trust me I have been disappointed for months now.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 815	Posted - 2013.12.06 16:07:00 - [62] - Quote HMG buff in 1.7: - Added physical impulses to all weapon impacts. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4600	Posted - 2013.12.06 19:01:00 - [63] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: So OP is mad that his HMG, with the Highest RoF, with zero dispersion, in hitscan... is broken LMFAO lol...wonder how you would feel if the AR was broken and not working as intended. You guys were the biggest babies in Chromosome crying at the HMG "OMG I CAN'T 1V1 A HEAVY! HMG IS OP!!!" Uprising: "LOL YOU HEAVIES CRYING! YOUR GUN IS FINE!" ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 816	Posted - 2013.12.06 19:03:00 - [64] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: So OP is mad that his HMG, with the Highest RoF, with zero dispersion, in hitscan... is broken LMFAO lol...wonder how you would feel if the AR was broken and not working as intended. You guys were the biggest babies in Chromosome crying at the HMG "OMG I CAN'T 1V1 A HEAVY! HMG IS OP!!!" Uprising: "LOL YOU HEAVIES CRYING! YOUR GUN IS FINE!" Crutch UserGäó. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 170	Posted - 2013.12.06 19:06:00 - [65] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: So OP is mad that his HMG, with the Highest RoF, with zero dispersion, in hitscan... is broken LMFAO lol...wonder how you would feel if the AR was broken and not working as intended. You guys were the biggest babies in Chromosome crying at the HMG "OMG I CAN'T 1V1 A HEAVY! HMG IS OP!!!" Uprising: "LOL YOU HEAVIES CRYING! YOUR GUN IS FINE!" There's broken and UNUASBLE and then there is broken but still useful. Many are trying to claim that the HMG is useless and thus broken. I'm claiming that it is broken, but that makes it still useful just not how everyone assumes it should be.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4600	Posted - 2013.12.06 19:08:00 - [66] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: So OP is mad that his HMG, with the Highest RoF, with zero dispersion, in hitscan... is broken LMFAO lol...wonder how you would feel if the AR was broken and not working as intended. You guys were the biggest babies in Chromosome crying at the HMG "OMG I CAN'T 1V1 A HEAVY! HMG IS OP!!!" Uprising: "LOL YOU HEAVIES CRYING! YOUR GUN IS FINE!" There's broken and UNUASBLE and then there is broken but still useful. You are trying to claim that the HMG is useless and thus broken. I'm claiming that it is broken, but that makes it still useful just not how everyone assumes it should be. w/e man, the gun isn't working as intended. Argue semantics if you feel to. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4456	Posted - 2013.12.06 19:08:00 - [67] - Quote The video was made when 1.7 was already in testing. There was no time to add **** to it at this point. Wolfman said over IRC that he fixed the HMG cone and it feels much better. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4600	Posted - 2013.12.06 19:12:00 - [68] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: The video was made when 1.7 was already in testing. There was no time to add **** to it at this point. Wolfman said over IRC that he fixed the HMG cone and it feels much better. Oh over at IRC! Like where 98% of the people here don't have time to linger on all day ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Musta Tornius Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 676	Posted - 2013.12.06 19:20:00 - [69] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Cat Merc wrote: The video was made when 1.7 was already in testing. There was no time to add **** to it at this point. Wolfman said over IRC that he fixed the HMG cone and it feels much better. Oh over at IRC! Like where 98% of the people here don't have time to linger on all day Nothing is stopping you from installing an IRC app and run it in the background on your phone or whatever media device you have accessible with a net connection :p Dust514 Weapon Range & Information
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4601	Posted - 2013.12.06 19:29:00 - [70] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Cat Merc wrote: The video was made when 1.7 was already in testing. There was no time to add **** to it at this point. Wolfman said over IRC that he fixed the HMG cone and it feels much better. Oh over at IRC! Like where 98% of the people here don't have time to linger on all day Nothing is stopping you from installing an IRC app and run it in the background on your phone or whatever media device you have accessible with a net connection :p Nothing's stopping me? Well the fact that I don't want to instal an app to something i have no intention of going on is stopping me. Here's their official forum for their game. I'm here. I'm on Twitter to only follow a few people / companies, I'm there following CCP, Wolfman, Foxfour and a few other relevant devs. Now i need to go on IRC chat? lol... no thanks. I guess I'll rely on people like Cat to relay the msg from devs who don't care enough to post info like that on their forums. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"

Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 193	Posted - 2013.12.06 20:31:00 - [71] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: HMG buff in 1.7: - Added physical impulses to all weapon impacts. This does sound like an HMG buff. I would love to know more specifically though if they have exceptions in mind when they say 'all weapons,' because they surely can't mean the laser. I have a Bachelor's of Science in Physics, and I can positively affirm that real lasers will not impart a noticeable physical impulse, even if they ablate significant raw material in the burn. I would expect a solid impulse from a kinetic energy weapon like the HMG, even vs shields. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
Vexen Arc OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 39	Posted - 2013.12.06 20:46:00 - [72] - Quote I know better than to hope that anybody at CCP has any interest in communicating design intent re: Heavies. Didn't they hire more Community team members specifically because we kept telling them we needed more and better communication?
ReGnYuM Vindictive State 1437	Posted - 2013.12.06 20:58:00 - [73] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: So OP is mad that his HMG, with the Highest RoF, with zero dispersion, in hitscan... is broken LMFAO lol...wonder how you would feel if the AR was broken and not working as intended. You guys were the biggest babies in Chromosome crying at the HMG "OMG I CAN'T 1V1 A HEAVY! HMG IS OP!!!" Uprising: "LOL YOU HEAVIES CRYING! YOUR GUN IS FINE!" In PC I can't 1v1 a proto heavy in CQC lol If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR>ALL Sig Move: Minmatar Crub Stomp
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1222	Posted - 2013.12.06 21:07:00 - [74] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Wolfman said over IRC that he fixed the HMG cone and it feels much better. It's going to feel like a loooooooong wait for 1.8... here's hoping. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 200/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Summ Dude Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 82	Posted - 2013.12.06 21:54:00 - [75] - Quote I didn't have time to read through all this so sorry if someone already covered it. Two things: 1. To the people who say, "The HMG works fine as long as you understand how it's reticle actually works." I think you may be missing the point. Regardless of how effective the HMG is in its current state, the fact remains that's its current state is clearly not the intended design choice. It would make no sense to give it a circular reticle and the animation of bullets firing off in a cone it it was meant to fire a pinpoint stream of bullets. In short, I don't think the HMG is meant to be just a bigger version of the AR. 2. To the OP: as an HMG user myself, yea I'm annoyed at no fix in 1.7. But honestly, I'm not really that surprised. You made the point that if the AR had a problem, it would be fixed immediately. And you're probably not too far off from the truth. But really, what else would you expect? Imagine you're running a business, and there's two separate problems you have to deal with. One affects 80% of your market, and the other only 5%. Which would you take care of first? I can't really blame CCP for logically deciding to fix the more ubiquitous problems first. Of course, it's because of this reasoning that I am pretty annoyed at the lack of any sort of change to TTK.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4606	Posted - 2013.12.06 22:25:00 - [76] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: So OP is mad that his HMG, with the Highest RoF, with zero dispersion, in hitscan... is broken LMFAO lol...wonder how you would feel if the AR was broken and not working as intended. You guys were the biggest babies in Chromosome crying at the HMG "OMG I CAN'T 1V1 A HEAVY! HMG IS OP!!!" Uprising: "LOL YOU HEAVIES CRYING! YOUR GUN IS FINE!" In PC I can't 1v1 a proto heavy in CQC lol then you're bad lol ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 2475	Posted - 2013.12.06 22:36:00 - [77] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: So OP is mad that his HMG, with the Highest RoF, with zero dispersion, in hitscan... is broken LMFAO If your AR, just your AR mind you, nobody elses, worked the same way as the HMG does from hipfire you would have quit this game back in beta and never returned. Because it would feel like everyone elses gun was working correctly, and yours was not. And you would get sick and tired of handicapping yourself in such a manner. And that feeling would be correct. Tracking with a pixel is more difficult than tracking with large circle.
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 566	Posted - 2013.12.06 22:37:00 - [78] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: So OP is mad that his HMG, with the Highest RoF, with zero dispersion, in hitscan... is broken LMFAO lol...wonder how you would feel if the AR was broken and not working as intended. You guys were the biggest babies in Chromosome crying at the HMG "OMG I CAN'T 1V1 A HEAVY! HMG IS OP!!!" Uprising: "LOL YOU HEAVIES CRYING! YOUR GUN IS FINE!" In PC I can't 1v1 a proto heavy in CQC lol He speaks the truth, I got him a few times myself. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 374	Posted - 2013.12.06 22:41:00 - [79] - Quote If anyone is wondering what vid the OP is talking about link A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Rusty Shallows 566	Posted - 2013.12.06 23:47:00 - [80] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: The video was made when 1.7 was already in testing. There was no time to add **** to it at this point. Wolfman said over IRC that he fixed the HMG cone and it feels much better. Thanks for the heads up, it is appreciated . Although I'm not sure how much a talking cat should be trusted. The Devs have pretty much destroyed any trust I had in them. For the time being going to chill on the MCC using up these 2x Active Boosters. Someone wake me up when 2.0 drops. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP



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