DUST Search - No HMG Fix? Despite Proven That It's Broken?!

Jadd Hatchen wrote:

Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:

I didn't search for the thread that a dude made with a video proving the aiming is broken. To be more specific, the "cone of fire" is the literally the size of a pixel. Logibro passed through I think saying something about telling the devs... but yeeeeaaaaa, after that not a word from anyone about it.

So here's 1.7, not a word from any dev about fixing the broken mechanic. Maybe 1.8? I don't think CCP understand the frustration people go through knowing their weapon is broken beyond belief, and there's no ETA on a fix. No rush, it's only a broken weapon that the masses don't use.

Would bet if it was the AR that fix would have been patched in a week.

You're stupid. That video didn't prove that the HMG was broken, it only proved that the aiming reticule provided in the game was wrong! Instead of providing you with a "spray and pray" lazy shooter weapon they gave you a super accurate automatic heavy weapon. Learn what the REAL characteristics of the weapons in this game ARE and replace your imaginary misconceptions about them, then use them to better effect.

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Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4544	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:13:00 - [1] - Quote I didn't search for the thread that a dude made with a video proving the aiming is broken. To be more specific, the "cone of fire" is the literally the size of a pixel. Logibro passed through I think saying something about telling the devs... but yeeeeaaaaa, after that not a word from anyone about it. So here's 1.7, not a word from any dev about fixing the broken mechanic. Maybe 1.8? I don't think CCP understand the frustration people go through knowing their weapon is broken beyond belief, and there's no ETA on a fix. No rush, it's only a broken weapon that the masses don't use. Would bet if it was the AR that fix would have been patched in a week. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 3468	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:16:00 - [2] - Quote Logibro: Apparently the HMG is broke, something about the cone of fire not working correctly. CCP Dev: Remind me, is the HMG a Caldari weapon? Logibro: No CCP Dev: Alright then, we'll deal with it in 2 years! Forum Prison Escapee Yes, 1.7 is going to suck. T_T
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4057	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:16:00 - [3] - Quote I can't tell you how dissapointed I am. I even had a response from support that the HMG was not working as intended. I assumed since it was approx. A month ago when I received the mail they had plenty of time to actually fix it. I mean come on the HMG needs some serious re working!
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4544	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:18:00 - [4] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: I can't tell you how dissapointed I am. I even had a response from support that the HMG was not working as intended. I assumed since it was approx. A month ago when I received the mail they had plenty of time to actually fix it. I mean come on the HMG needs some serious re working! As I said, if it was the AR that fix would have been done ASAP! HMG? "LOL! Who uses that crap?! Leave it there for now, we'll get back to that like we did the proto tanks" ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 128	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:31:00 - [5] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I didn't search for the thread that a dude made with a video proving the aiming is broken. To be more specific, the "cone of fire" is the literally the size of a pixel. Logibro passed through I think saying something about telling the devs... but yeeeeaaaaa, after that not a word from anyone about it. So here's 1.7, not a word from any dev about fixing the broken mechanic. Maybe 1.8? I don't think CCP understand the frustration people go through knowing their weapon is broken beyond belief, and there's no ETA on a fix. No rush, it's only a broken weapon that the masses don't use. Would bet if it was the AR that fix would have been patched in a week. You're stupid. That video didn't prove that the HMG was broken, it only proved that the aiming reticule provided in the game was wrong! Instead of providing you with a "spray and pray" lazy shooter weapon they gave you a super accurate automatic heavy weapon. Learn what the REAL characteristics of the weapons in this game ARE and replace your imaginary misconceptions about them, then use them to better effect.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4545	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:35:00 - [6] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I didn't search for the thread that a dude made with a video proving the aiming is broken. To be more specific, the "cone of fire" is the literally the size of a pixel. Logibro passed through I think saying something about telling the devs... but yeeeeaaaaa, after that not a word from anyone about it. So here's 1.7, not a word from any dev about fixing the broken mechanic. Maybe 1.8? I don't think CCP understand the frustration people go through knowing their weapon is broken beyond belief, and there's no ETA on a fix. No rush, it's only a broken weapon that the masses don't use. Would bet if it was the AR that fix would have been patched in a week. You're stupid. That video didn't prove that the HMG was broken, it only proved that the aiming reticule provided in the game was wrong! Instead of providing you with a "spray and pray" lazy shooter weapon they gave you a super accurate automatic heavy weapon. Learn what the REAL characteristics of the weapons in this game ARE and replace your imaginary misconceptions about them, then use them to better effect. Soooo having a pixel to aim with is not broken? And you call me stupid? How about you become R.E.L.E.V.A.N.T. before calling someone names Oh btw, the HMG is suppose to have a cone of fire aka, bullet spread. The video also proved there's no bullet spread. "Knowing is half the battle" ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8324	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:36:00 - [7] - Quote I just want to trade in my HMG skills for SMG skills, you know, cuz it's better at being a heavy machine gun, and you can carry two! Win ISK / Vids / O7
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 2169	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:39:00 - [8] - Quote The current AR still deals the most damage but now has the lowest range. What this means is that if you get close the HMG is still deadly. Now it's all well and good that we joke about the HMG not hitting the broadside of a barn before it overheats at 20m, but it is given that the heavy who is supported by a logibro is an OP heavy. If I can solo as a heavy when it's not even my main role and go positive with a HMG, then it's not exactly the worst weapon out there. Play your cards right and I reckon it'll be even better than previously because fixes to explosive damage means grenades and MDs are less likely to blow you up instantly, and every second you stay alive my repair tool is giving you another 100hp. "When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 183	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:41:00 - [9] - Quote I think CCP Logibro is the only who can relate to the players. He can read and understand whats going on. I give him props on trying to help the players out. To bad we cant donate to are CCP member's. Im sure he would get the most out of anyone. Anything that deals with heavys is SOONtm. Dont worry. Maybe next year it will be fixed. What ever CCP member works on heavys if there is one doesnt work the fastest or stands up for us fat people. Heavys only have 2 heavy guns. Please dont turn the NERF bat on them. Give heavys more suits or guns please :D
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4549	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:42:00 - [10] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: The current AR still deals the most damage but now has the lowest range. What this means is that if you get close the HMG is still deadly. Now it's all well and good that we joke about the HMG not hitting the broadside of a barn before it overheats at 20m, but it is given that the heavy who is supported by a logibro is an OP heavy. If I can solo as a heavy when it's not even my main role and go positive with a HMG, then it's not exactly the worst weapon out there. Play your cards right and I reckon it'll be even better than previously because fixes to explosive damage means grenades and MDs are less likely to blow you up instantly, and every second you stay alive my repair tool is giving you another 100hp. Please, this "I play solo in pub games and do well" crap needs to stop. It's the reason why the class is a joke at any competitive lvl. Edit: any class can do well in pub games... that's right, ANY class. Put a shotgun with a heavy and he'll do decent so long as he knows where to play. That class won't do anything in competitive environment. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1744	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:43:00 - [11] - Quote While it would be nice to have the HMG working as intended, seeing that video and coming to understand how the HMG actually works, doubled my average kill count on my Heavy.
J0hlss0n Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 48	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:43:00 - [12] - Quote Hey now, we dont need a fix to the HMG, theres new assault rifles coming.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4549	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:45:00 - [13] - Quote J0hlss0n wrote: Hey now, we dont need a fix to the HMG, theres new assault rifles coming. haha ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5769	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:48:00 - [14] - Quote That video came... a few weeks ago? At that point, 1.7 was locked. Of course, it'd be nice if we'd been told what was in it at that point so we could have given constructive feedback before the next patch is locked, but I suppose that would be much too hard for CCP. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4060	Posted - 2013.12.05 01:53:00 - [15] - Quote Well at least the forge gun got nerfed. Yea! more reason to love playing the heavy
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1580	Posted - 2013.12.05 01:57:00 - [16] - Quote Don't "fix" my HMG, ever since learning that "broken" mechanic I've been scoring headshot after headshot with the HMG thanks to my years of scrambler pistol training! Awww yisss Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 34	Posted - 2013.12.05 02:03:00 - [17] - Quote They are reskinning it, adding a line of light and renaming it Heavy Laser. Of course it overheats in 4 seconds but can't get everything... The feedback is enough to kill a mini scout or about 10% of a heavy. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1353	Posted - 2013.12.05 02:16:00 - [18] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I didn't search for the thread that a dude made with a video proving the aiming is broken. To be more specific, the "cone of fire" is the literally the size of a pixel. Logibro passed through I think saying something about telling the devs... but yeeeeaaaaa, after that not a word from anyone about it. So here's 1.7, not a word from any dev about fixing the broken mechanic. Maybe 1.8? I don't think CCP understand the frustration people go through knowing their weapon is broken beyond belief, and there's no ETA on a fix. No rush, it's only a broken weapon that the masses don't use. Would bet if it was the AR that fix would have been patched in a week. You're stupid. That video didn't prove that the HMG was broken, it only proved that the aiming reticule provided in the game was wrong! Instead of providing you with a "spray and pray" lazy shooter weapon they gave you a super accurate automatic heavy weapon. Learn what the REAL characteristics of the weapons in this game ARE and replace your imaginary misconceptions about them, then use them to better effect. You are incorrect. After discovering this myself months before the video was posted, I filed a ticket and checked the threads. CCP stated that the HMG fire is supposed to disperse inside the cone and as you fire, the dispersion reduces, thus the cone gets slightly tighter. The weapon, in its current state, is broken. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4060	Posted - 2013.12.05 03:14:00 - [19] - Quote What is sad is there are so few heavy HMG users left who are even fighting for a fix. Most great heavies have moved on to the rifle brigade
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2744	Posted - 2013.12.05 03:15:00 - [20] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I didn't search for the thread that a dude made with a video proving the aiming is broken. To be more specific, the "cone of fire" is the literally the size of a pixel. Logibro passed through I think saying something about telling the devs... but yeeeeaaaaa, after that not a word from anyone about it. So here's 1.7, not a word from any dev about fixing the broken mechanic. Maybe 1.8? I don't think CCP understand the frustration people go through knowing their weapon is broken beyond belief, and there's no ETA on a fix. No rush, it's only a broken weapon that the masses don't use. Would bet if it was the AR that fix would have been patched in a week. Welcome To ArmoredMed514 WELCOME! TO ARMORED MED514 : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1565076#post1565076

HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4061	Posted - 2013.12.05 03:23:00 - [21] - Quote Here is a quote from CCP Scotsman after sending in a ticket "Our development team are aware of the bullet dispersion not fully expanding along the 'cone' of the Heavy Machine Gun reticule. This is something that they are actively working on and hope to have deployed into the game sometime in the future. Unfortunately, as this is still being worked on, I cannot provide an exact timeframe as to when this deployment will occur"
castba Penguin's March 225	Posted - 2013.12.05 03:31:00 - [22] - Quote I love that the hit register point in the reticle is SMALLER THAN THAT OF THE LASER RIFLE. Precision instrument that hmg (Champagne comedy CCP. Love it) I Support SP Rollover
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4559	Posted - 2013.12.05 05:20:00 - [23] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: What is sad is there are so few heavy HMG users left who are even fighting for a fix. Most great heavies have moved on to the rifle brigade At this point there's probably literally a handful of closed beta heavy HMG users left still using the class. Sad thing. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4559	Posted - 2013.12.05 05:21:00 - [24] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Here is a quote from CCP Scotsman after sending in a ticket "Our development team are aware of the bullet dispersion not fully expanding along the 'cone' of the Heavy Machine Gun reticule. This is something that they are actively working on and hope to have deployed into the game sometime in the future. Unfortunately, as this is still being worked on, I cannot provide an exact timeframe as to when this deployment will occur" aka "fix coming whenever." ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2753	Posted - 2013.12.05 05:22:00 - [25] - Quote Welcome to Armored-Med514 WELCOME! TO ARMORED MED514 : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1565076#post1565076
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1088	Posted - 2013.12.05 05:23:00 - [26] - Quote Just give up and go assault like I did. Now is a good time to do a complete refresh. Pick a new suit, and try out the new weapons in 1.7. I gave up on the heavy a long time ago(1.2). I was a Beta Heavy and it hurts me to see how weak the class I once cherished and loved has been shat upon by CCP. RIP Heavy/HMG F* the Snowflake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
Sleepy Zan 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 2916	Posted - 2013.12.05 05:25:00 - [27] - Quote Lance I am giving you the award for MOST DEDICATED HEAVY. I don't recall seeing you play but I haven't anyone as emotionally invested in it as you. the Nunc Stans Soldier
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4559	Posted - 2013.12.05 05:27:00 - [28] - Quote calvin b wrote: Just give up and go assault like I did. Now is a good time to do a complete refresh. Pick a new suit, and try out the new weapons in 1.7. I gave up on the heavy a long time ago(1.2). I was a Beta Heavy and it hurts me to see how weak the class I once cherished and loved has been shat upon by CCP. RIP Heavy/HMG I gave up a long time ago, months now. Last time i played was Proto Gallente medium + Duvolle. I still try to speak up for the class, otherwise people go "I go 50-0 in pub games, so the class is fine!" People believe that pub games are a good marker for balance, which is why the class got hit with the hardest nerf in Uprising. So much tears from assault players in Chromosome, everyday a "HMG IS OP! NERF IT!!!" thread...Uprising released, not a single thread like those to date! Imagine that?!!!! What a ******* joke. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 129	Posted - 2013.12.05 08:24:00 - [29] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I didn't search for the thread that a dude made with a video proving the aiming is broken. To be more specific, the "cone of fire" is the literally the size of a pixel. Logibro passed through I think saying something about telling the devs... but yeeeeaaaaa, after that not a word from anyone about it. So here's 1.7, not a word from any dev about fixing the broken mechanic. Maybe 1.8? I don't think CCP understand the frustration people go through knowing their weapon is broken beyond belief, and there's no ETA on a fix. No rush, it's only a broken weapon that the masses don't use. Would bet if it was the AR that fix would have been patched in a week. It will likely come in a patch that adds proper dispersion for all weapons, as most either have no dispersion or no dispersion when ADS. As I understand it's mostly because the game has been balanced around awful hit detection and now that hit detection has been fixed TTK has gone through the floor and certain weapons are doing things that they were never really intended to do.
Brigitte Newt The Rainbow Effect 71	Posted - 2013.12.05 09:00:00 - [30] - Quote Heavies are a pure joke... I really hoped that they would do something and fix it... I really give up on heavy now..



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