You're stupid.

Soooo having a pixel to aim with is not broken? And you call me stupid?

How about you become R.E.L.E.V.A.N.T. before calling someone names

Oh btw, the HMG is suppose to have a cone of fire aka, bullet spread. The video also proved there's no bullet spread. "Knowing is half the battle"

What is sad is there are so few heavy HMG users left who are even fighting for a fix.

Most great heavies have moved on to the rifle brigade

Added physical impulses to all weapon impacts.

Although everyone who has tried to roll an HMG in PC will be able to tell you how UP it is, there is something in the patch notes that seem to have gone unnoticed.



I am not saying that it will be fine, or that it still doesn't need to have the cone of fire looked at, but depending on how this is calibrated there could be a role for the HMG if these impact forces are set in such a way.

So it might not be all dark.

Maybe.

What is sad is there are so few heavy HMG users left who are even fighting for a fix.

Most great heavies have moved on to the rifle brigade

Soooo having a pixel to aim with is not broken? And you call me stupid?

How about you become R.E.L.E.V.A.N.T. before calling someone names

Oh btw, the HMG is suppose to have a cone of fire aka, bullet spread. The video also proved there's no bullet spread. "Knowing is half the battle"

As long as Im in a heavy suit, I will be carrying either a HMG or a Forge, thats the way of playing a heavy if you ask me.

LOL

I see heavies do fine all the time in PUB Matches.

I almost lost to a Boundless HMG with my Duvolle, and if it can almost kill me when I'm using my AR, it needs to be nerfed.

Maybe when you heavies GET GOOD, you'll realize that your class is F***ing OP.

You're stupid. That video didn't prove that the HMG was broken, it only proved that the aiming reticule provided in the game was wrong! Instead of providing you with a "spray and pray" lazy shooter weapon they gave you a super accurate automatic heavy weapon. Learn what the REAL characteristics of the weapons in this game ARE and replace your imaginary misconceptions about them, then use them to better effect.

Do you talk to people like that in person or only when hiding behing a monitor?

Would bet if it was the AR that fix would have been patched in a week.

Actually I talk worse than that to my friends. the better I know someone the more 'comfortable' I am in letting them know how I really feel.

You must not have many friends. The HMG since the day of it's inception has always been defined as a weapon with a large cone of fire designed to damage several people at once. This isn't something that we think it should be, this is what we have been told by CCP that it should be.

You must not have many friends. The HMG since the day of it's inception has always been defined as a weapon with a large cone of fire designed to damage several people at once. This isn't something that we think it should be, this is what we have been told by CCP that it should be.

Well until they actually change it, it remains to be a highly accurate, high damage, close range weapon.

WOW, you still don't get it do you?

It doesn't matter what any "intent" was. What matters is how it works! Yes, the video proves there is no spread, does that mean it's broken? NO. It is very accurate, so use that to your advantage and stop trying to use it for the non-existent spray that is not there. And what is your beef with a pixel? An aiming sight is an aid in aiming. It doesn't matter if it's a pixel, a plus sign, an x, a square, a circle, a set of lines that snake into the distance, or whatever... Learn to use it correctly and you can hit the target every time.

Yes knowing is part of the battle, but in this case you know that the HMG is not a spray and pray weapon, but insist that it should be... I call that insanity.

Well until they actually change it, it remains to be a highly accurate, high damage, close range weapon.

So, let's use an (exaggerated) analogy to see how insanely pointless your arguments really are. Suppose CCP changes the HMG by making it work exactly like a sniper rifle. You know, semi-automatic, high damage, extremely long range, high power scope but no hipfire aiming reticule etc. And while all the mechanics of the HMG are actually that of a sniper rifle, CCP insists that it is in fact, a HMG (it looks like a HMG, after all). So, of course, people start complaining and whining that HMG isn't working as intended (or at least, as any intuitive reasoning would expect it to work). And your reply to them would be - "It doesn't matter what any "intent" was. What matters is how it works!" ?

Really?

I really do worry about the heavy class as a whole in Dust it doesn't seem to have be going anywhere other than down from closed beta.

We got a bit of a reprieve on the last patch with a bit more armour but now with the new rifles coming in and engagement ranges increasing I find myself wishing for the old sharpshooter skill for the HMG, how many times have I found myself engaged at 30 to 40m in a street and running for cover while a lone guy with an AR pegs me, I can't stop to fire or I'll get headshot and if I advance he'll likely fall back to stay out of my optimal. Don't get me wrong put me inside of 30m and I'll shred most suits regardless of level as long as I'm using an equivalent level of gear but otherwise I'm in trouble, the ones that give me the most hassle are Gal suits with plates and Proto AR/SCR no doubt the guys are good and just peg me with headshots while I do the same but at least all their DPS goes on target I reckon the Fairies take the rest of mine.

The only HMG that really deals out the pain like I feel it should is the Gatsuns Min-7 but I don't come across them very often. It's the one fitting I have used recently against a Protobear squad in FW where they backed off, the first time in a long time when I felt that they were saying "Fcking hell lads watch out that heavy's nasty" but to have to use an Officer weapon with 2 complex damage mods to get the effect that most heavies should give in some way or another is a bit of a heartache for me at least.

I'm not the best HMG operator my main passion is the FG and Big game hunting but I ain't all that bad either. So I would have to look to folks like Lance, Smurf and DS-10 for true high end opinions on the right setup and how they perform in PC but I've got plenty of experience in Pubs and FW, and against experienced players it's not good in comparison to other setups.

Personally I think rather than looking at Heavies in the grand scheme of things CCP need to look at them singularly and decide what it should do and what it should be capable of rather than going it's got 20% more DPS than the equivalent AR setup so it's a heavy. I do understand the need for balance having reaped the battlefields in Chromosome but at least then shotgun Scouts terrified me and I scared AR users a bit.

Also who the hell implemented the Sentinel bonus of reduced feedback damage!!! For a weapon we won't have for another six months at best.... grumble grumble well I'm off to blow up vehicles for the time being.

Yes really.

EVE and now DUST have this one thing in common. Items, functions, tool, etc in (and sometimes outside of) the game are just that... tools for the players to determine how and when to put to best usage. If an HMG is a better sniper rifle, then guess what weapon snipers will end up using? Similarly, there is an option to add players to your contacts list and then see when they log in or not. In EVE you don't put your friends in this list, you put your war targets in this list... Then when they log in you know it and can either take precautions to be more careful or to track them down and kill them. It's a mechanic to let you keep track of your "friends" but it makes a much better tool to keep intel on your enemies.

It doesn't matter how a game mechanic works, it just matters that you use it to your advantage.

I am very well aware of the fact that in EVE, contact lists and local chat channels, are used as intel tools, and not for comms. However, even in EVE, you don't have autocannons that work like beam lasers. And if autocannons were made to work like beam lasers (for whatever reason), the ensuing shitstorm on EVE forums would be spectacular.

I didn't search for the thread that a dude made with a video proving the aiming is broken. To be more specific, the "cone of fire" is the literally the size of a pixel. Logibro passed through I think saying something about telling the devs... but yeeeeaaaaa, after that not a word from anyone about it.

So here's 1.7, not a word from any dev about fixing the broken mechanic. Maybe 1.8? I don't think CCP understand the frustration people go through knowing their weapon is broken beyond belief, and there's no ETA on a fix. No rush, it's only a broken weapon that the masses don't use.

Would bet if it was the AR that fix would have been patched in a week.