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RydogV wrote:

Many of these changes seem like nice strides in the right direction. I am sure it will make Faction Warfare a better destination for those involved and, with luck, the combat there will be of a higher caliber and more balanced.

That being said...I do wish to reiterate my belief that these changes will not provide the true results you are looking for unless they are quickly followed up by two key changes. The first is of course the player-based market. The second is the ability to team-deploy.

While the pluses for a player based market are well known and thoroughly discussed in many relevant postings, I feel it is the ability to team-deploy that must be emphasized here and now. A lot has been been mentioned in regards to the increased incentives and unique rewards that players stand to gain from these changes. But what has not really been brought into the open is the considerable increase in risk that these matches will entail. I won't go on to list everything off because I think veterans of the game know full well what I am talking about.

Risk and reward...they have always gone hand-in-hand in New Eden. And it just stands to reason that many of us are not going to feel comfortable deploying into the Burnzone where the potential for 10 of your 16-player team are relative strangers. I sincerely hope that Team True Grit it taking the necessary steps to make Team Deploy a development priority for the very near future.

Anyway, thanks for the new content. You are getting there. Smile

Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.

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Absolute Idiom II SyNergy Gaming EoN. 902	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:20:00 - [31] - Quote Quote: First, you will be unable to join another Factional Contract until after the next downtime. Does this mean you will not be able to fight for any faction if you get kicked? Fanfest 2012 - Winning Team + MVP - £1100 in prizes Fanfest 2013 - Winning Team - £500 in prizes Fanfest 2014 - ???
steadyhand amarr steadyhands independent mercenarys 1999	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:20:00 - [32] - Quote How much is the LP gain for EvE guys will we get onscreen notifaction thats obtals are ready if the EvE guy does not have a mic "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 547	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:20:00 - [33] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: All ok i admit FW just got ******* awsome and now newbs will move back public and vets will move to FW :-) Indeed. And those vets who do frequent pubs will probably run less proto to make up the ISK. A nice downstream effect of this. (Note: I am contractually obligated to make the following statement) Except Nyain San of course. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Absolute Idiom II SyNergy Gaming EoN. 902	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:20:00 - [34] - Quote Why does the LP payout chart go up to Level 11? Fanfest 2012 - Winning Team + MVP - £1100 in prizes Fanfest 2013 - Winning Team - £500 in prizes Fanfest 2014 - ???
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2050	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:21:00 - [35] - Quote I have the feeling my wallet is going to take a huge hit before I move back to public matches. Good thing its nice and fat right now and going to get fatter which those vehicle buybacks that are planned. // Matari Warrior // Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 992	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:21:00 - [36] - Quote Is this going to make the Scotty problem worse? As players are now going to be even more bonded to a single faction, players may have a hard time finding a match. Will there be special bonuses to losing factions or something to encourage faction switching? GÇá Havok Core - Closed Beta Corp - Accepting Applications Here GÇá CEO // [email protected]
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2050	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:22:00 - [37] - Quote Absolute Idiom II wrote: Why does the LP payout chart go up to Level 11? Because you can't have awesome unless you can turn it up to 11. // Matari Warrior // Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
Absolute Idiom II SyNergy Gaming EoN. 902	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:22:00 - [38] - Quote If the eve pilot gets forced to temporarily disconnect from the district they lose the ability to continue to talk to their team. Could you not allow any pilots to remain connected to the chat until the end of the match? Fanfest 2012 - Winning Team + MVP - £1100 in prizes Fanfest 2013 - Winning Team - £500 in prizes Fanfest 2014 - ???
MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 338	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:23:00 - [39] - Quote Obligatory Though I do think getting barred from any faction contract until downtime if you get kicked from a match might be a bit harsh (or a joke if the player is in Australia where the downtime is in the middle of prime time) On the bright side we won't be seeing explosive spam in FW for very long
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1210	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:23:00 - [40] - Quote Awesome things in our future, thank you for iteration on FW. One question though: Why take the Warbarge Strikes from FW but leave them in for PC?? FW participants are technically still fighting for NPCs and in PC you fight for players, seems silly for player driven battles to receive NPC Orbital support while the NPC driven battles must arrange for player Orbital support. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 2106	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:25:00 - [41] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Serious question...if i call an Orbital Strike in from my EVE partner and it splashes some blueberry not on coms with me am I getting punished for the team kill or lose standing? Does the EVE pilot have any repercussions as well? ps... Unfortunately I can't take advantage of the LP store since I run Caldari gear and my Corp is purely Gallente Alligned. That said, really nice update! No the EVE pilot is not punished for friendly fire. They can only shoot where you tell them, so it's kind of your fault ;) I've been worried about this and the team killing. There is no team deploy so there is no guarantee that the people you randomly enter battle with will be able/willing to communicate. Will a squad leader be penalized for dropping an orbital on teammates? In PC you are able to tell your people to clear the objective, sometimes you drop the orbital even if it kills one or two teammates because it's necessary. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Nightbird Aeon Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 372	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:26:00 - [42] - Quote So if I want to be a bad-ass logi and run an uplink, a needle and a repper, I need to farm LP across 3 different factions, right? Why not, say, allow people to SELL the faction items they are farming to other mercs via a player market, hmmm? Also.... If I play a match for Team A, I get 75 points for team A and -15 for Team B. Next, I cue up a match for Team B, get 75 points for B and -15 for Team A. As long as I keep alternating between the two factions, I get a net 60 point gain, per faction, every two matches. Won't this discourage people aligning for one faction, when it makes more sense to multi-faction? Further, will there be associated faction standing impacts? Doing a match for Gallente will boost Gallente and minmitar to a lesser degree, while dropping both Caldari and Amarr standings.... or is it just a simple one for one? EVE: Bitter-vet, born 2005 DUST: Closed-beta vet: Always hopeful, frequently disappointed.
Nihilus Warwick Pradox One Proficiency V. 71	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:26:00 - [43] - Quote 10/10 Would bang this update. Looking forward to burning through isk in a scramble for LP. I'm also looking forward to having a reason to drop orbitals eve side. I just made a cloaky Cormorant to rain fire from the heavens. Quick question though, the amount if damage I deal from eve depends on how many guns I use only, correct? Not tech level or size? Cause I'm using cheap as 75 rails.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2634	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:27:00 - [44] - Quote Factional Contract matches will not reward any ISK But I run FW 95% percent of the time, what the hell! Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Pr0phetzReck0ning Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 85	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:29:00 - [45] - Quote Oh wow so you made us believe that the FW changes were coming in a future Update, not 1.7. Sneaky CCP you. A nice surprise indeed.
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 628	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:31:00 - [46] - Quote Many of these changes seem like nice strides in the right direction. I am sure it will make Faction Warfare a better destination for those involved and, with luck, the combat there will be of a higher caliber and more balanced. That being said...I do wish to reiterate my belief that these changes will not provide the true results you are looking for unless they are quickly followed up by two key changes. The first is of course the player-based market. The second is the ability to team-deploy. While the pluses for a player based market are well known and thoroughly discussed in many relevant postings, I feel it is the ability to team-deploy that must be emphasized here and now. A lot has been been mentioned in regards to the increased incentives and unique rewards that players stand to gain from these changes. But what has not really been brought into the open is the considerable increase in risk that these matches will entail. I won't go on to list everything off because I think veterans of the game know full well what I am talking about. Risk and reward...they have always gone hand-in-hand in New Eden. And it just stands to reason that many of us are not going to feel comfortable deploying into the Burnzone where the potential for 10 of your 16-player team are relative strangers. I sincerely hope that Team True Grit it taking the necessary steps to make Team Deploy a development priority for the very near future. Anyway, thanks for the new content. You are getting there.
Robert Lanate Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:31:00 - [47] - Quote For OB to be realy used it need to be aveilable outside the FW and the only one non-FW region...
Nightbird Aeon Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 372	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:34:00 - [48] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Factional Contract matches will not reward any ISK But I run FW 95% percent of the time, what the hell! Note: The DUST economy is a closed system. An ISK Faucet adds money into the system, while an ISK Sink removes money from the system. Part of the reason you see people proto-stomping in pub matches is because there is so much money in the system. Removing money (but keeping FW rewarding) will allow for a significant amount of ISK to leave the system (an ISK sink), while keeping standard PUB matches as the ISK faucet. This will take a while to balance out, but what I hope will happen is that more serious players will go proto in FW, while using pub matches to farm the ISK they need in order to buy their suits for FW matches. The next step involves a player market... so that LP gear bought with the proceeds of FW matches can be sold on the market for pure ISK, helping the FW-warriors fund their FW matches without adding an extra ISK faucet to the system. Now... the real question becomes... when will DUST players be able to create buy/sell orders on a player market? EVE: Bitter-vet, born 2005 DUST: Closed-beta vet: Always hopeful, frequently disappointed.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4004	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:34:00 - [49] - Quote Speaking as someone who was part of the masstest on Singularity and watching these AWESOME new changes work out first hand, I have to say this is -definitely- the right direction and we're finally starting to see the Eve-Dust link get fleshed out. Very excited and I can't wait until 1.7 goes live. My only question is this: Will the orbital mechanics changes apply to PC? Are warbarge strikes still an option in PC? forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames) 1544109 (Advertisement) 1556863 (Hyperlinks) 1556885
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 2107	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:40:00 - [50] - Quote RydogV wrote: Many of these changes seem like nice strides in the right direction. I am sure it will make Faction Warfare a better destination for those involved and, with luck, the combat there will be of a higher caliber and more balanced. That being said...I do wish to reiterate my belief that these changes will not provide the true results you are looking for unless they are quickly followed up by two key changes. The first is of course the player-based market. The second is the ability to team-deploy. While the pluses for a player based market are well known and thoroughly discussed in many relevant postings, I feel it is the ability to team-deploy that must be emphasized here and now. A lot has been been mentioned in regards to the increased incentives and unique rewards that players stand to gain from these changes. But what has not really been brought into the open is the considerable increase in risk that these matches will entail. I won't go on to list everything off because I think veterans of the game know full well what I am talking about. Risk and reward...they have always gone hand-in-hand in New Eden. And it just stands to reason that many of us are not going to feel comfortable deploying into the Burnzone where the potential for 10 of your 16-player team are relative strangers. I sincerely hope that Team True Grit it taking the necessary steps to make Team Deploy a development priority for the very near future. Anyway, thanks for the new content. You are getting there. They keep catering to the solo playing people for some reason. I think team deploy in FW would have helped pushed some folks into corps to try and raise their game a notch. The lack of an ISK payout in FW in combination with no player market will lead to either an AFK nightmare in pubs or FW. I'm guessing in pubs at first, but it'll depend on how much LP is given per match vs the cost of goods in the LP store. THIS is so painfully obvious that my 7 year old daughter would predict it given the scenario. In Eve players have the ability to do other things to earn ISK to support their PvP habit. OR they are in corps that are involved in other ISK generating ventures and help their pilots with ship replacement programs. The lack of foresight on this issue boggles my mind. And I know for a FACT that the CPM brought it up to CCP. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.


CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 3040	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:40:00 - [51] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Speaking as someone who was part of the masstest on Singularity and watching these AWESOME new changes work out first hand, I have to say this is -definitely- the right direction and we're finally starting to see the Eve-Dust link get fleshed out. Very excited and I can't wait until 1.7 goes live. My only question is this: Will the orbital mechanics changes apply to PC? Are warbarge strikes still an option in PC? New orbital mechanics apply to PC as well, however we are leaving the warbarge strike in for PC for the time being. This was actually a request from the CPM while we discuss the possibility of opening up orbitals to people outside of the dust corps alliance. CCP Nullarbor // Exotic Dancer // Team True Grit

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 2107	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:41:00 - [52] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Speaking as someone who was part of the masstest on Singularity and watching these AWESOME new changes work out first hand, I have to say this is -definitely- the right direction and we're finally starting to see the Eve-Dust link get fleshed out. Very excited and I can't wait until 1.7 goes live. My only question is this: Will the orbital mechanics changes apply to PC? Are warbarge strikes still an option in PC? They answered that, the warbarge strikes will stay in PC. There is at least some incentive for FW pilots to drop orbitals, that isn't the case in PC. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
poison Diego NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 2	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:43:00 - [53] - Quote hell yea! this is going to make a major difference. I like that new version of drop rate the new weapons. One question: will I be able to use weapons bought for LP in pub matches? Another question: Will there be any tanks and big turrets for buy in the Loyalty store?
YoUnGcUz Imperfects Negative-Feedback 85	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:44:00 - [54] - Quote No pirate faction drop suits?
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2050	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:45:00 - [55] - Quote Nightbird Aeon wrote: So if I want to be a bad-ass logi and run an uplink, a needle and a repper, I need to farm LP across 3 different factions, right? Why not, say, allow people to SELL the faction items they are farming to other mercs via a player market, hmmm? Also.... If I play a match for Team A, I get 75 points for team A and -15 for Team B. Next, I cue up a match for Team B, get 75 points for B and -15 for Team A. As long as I keep alternating between the two factions, I get a net 60 point gain, per faction, every two matches. Won't this discourage people aligning for one faction, when it makes more sense to multi-faction? Further, will there be associated faction standing impacts? Doing a match for Gallente will boost Gallente and minmitar to a lesser degree, while dropping both Caldari and Amarr standings.... or is it just a simple one for one? They said they didn't want to wait for the market to release this but it's not supposed to be far behind. Also, there isn't a need to go full faction on your fittings and attempting to farm multiple factions, although two shouldn't be that difficult. // Matari Warrior // Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
Nihilus Warwick Pradox One Proficiency V. 71	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:48:00 - [56] - Quote RydogV wrote: Many of these changes seem like nice strides in the right direction. I am sure it will make Faction Warfare a better destination for those involved and, with luck, the combat there will be of a higher caliber and more balanced. That being said...I do wish to reiterate my belief that these changes will not provide the true results you are looking for unless they are quickly followed up by two key changes. The first is of course the player-based market. The second is the ability to team-deploy. While the pluses for a player based market are well known and thoroughly discussed in many relevant postings, I feel it is the ability to team-deploy that must be emphasized here and now. A lot has been been mentioned in regards to the increased incentives and unique rewards that players stand to gain from these changes. But what has not really been brought into the open is the considerable increase in risk that these matches will entail. I won't go on to list everything off because I think veterans of the game know full well what I am talking about. Risk and reward...they have always gone hand-in-hand in New Eden. And it just stands to reason that many of us are not going to feel comfortable deploying into the Burnzone where the potential for 10 of your 16-player team are relative strangers. I sincerely hope that Team True Grit it taking the necessary steps to make Team Deploy a development priority for the very near future. Anyway, thanks for the new content. You are getting there. Spitting mad truth in here.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4004	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:49:00 - [57] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Speaking as someone who was part of the masstest on Singularity and watching these AWESOME new changes work out first hand, I have to say this is -definitely- the right direction and we're finally starting to see the Eve-Dust link get fleshed out. Very excited and I can't wait until 1.7 goes live. My only question is this: Will the orbital mechanics changes apply to PC? Are warbarge strikes still an option in PC? New orbital mechanics apply to PC as well, however we are leaving the warbarge strike in for PC for the time being. This was actually a request from the CPM while we discuss the possibility of opening up orbitals to people outside of the dust corps alliance. I know I said I had just one but another one came up. Any consideration on showing the orbital timer Dust-side? forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames) 1544109 (Advertisement) 1556863 (Hyperlinks) 1556885
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 2107	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:49:00 - [58] - Quote Nightbird Aeon wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Factional Contract matches will not reward any ISK But I run FW 95% percent of the time, what the hell! Note: The DUST economy is a closed system. An ISK Faucet adds money into the system, while an ISK Sink removes money from the system. Part of the reason you see people proto-stomping in pub matches is because there is so much money in the system. Removing money (but keeping FW rewarding) will allow for a significant amount of ISK to leave the system (an ISK sink), while keeping standard PUB matches as the ISK faucet. This will take a while to balance out, but what I hope will happen is that more serious players will go proto in FW, while using pub matches to farm the ISK they need in order to buy their suits for FW matches. The next step involves a player market... so that LP gear bought with the proceeds of FW matches can be sold on the market for pure ISK, helping the FW-warriors fund their FW matches without adding an extra ISK faucet to the system. Now... the real question becomes... when will DUST players be able to create buy/sell orders on a player market? But I argue that the amount of ISK in the system isn't because of a healthy mechanic. 1) The top 1% of Dust that's been successful in PC 2) Players that AFK 3) Players that run BPOs nonstop You can't accumulate large amounts of ISK running a 2.0 KDR with ADV gear in pubs. In fact the mechanics now reward those that choose to do less to increase their profit margins. If you can't profit more going 10-5 with 1500 WP in a pub match than a dude who goes 0-0 with 0 WP then the system is broken. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
poison Diego NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 2	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:51:00 - [59] - Quote Nightbird Aeon wrote: So if I want to be a bad-ass logi and run an uplink, a needle and a repper, I need to farm LP across 3 different factions, right? Why not, say, allow people to SELL the faction items they are farming to other mercs via a player market, hmmm? Also.... If I play a match for Team A, I get 75 points for team A and -15 for Team B. Next, I cue up a match for Team B, get 75 points for B and -15 for Team A. As long as I keep alternating between the two factions, I get a net 60 point gain, per faction, every two matches. Won't this discourage people aligning for one faction, when it makes more sense to multi-faction? Further, will there be associated faction standing impacts? Doing a match for Gallente will boost Gallente and minmitar to a lesser degree, while dropping both Caldari and Amarr standings.... or is it just a simple one for one? dont think you have to run with that factions to get to play with their weapons and equipments. you're a damn mercenary! you should be able to use what you want though you are playing for another faction.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 709	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:54:00 - [60] - Quote I know that the hope was to get the player market in place before Christmas but it'll be New Year now. Unless the patch notes tell us otherwise... Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot CEO of DUST University



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