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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:29:00 -
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CCP !!!
For months now I have specialized with a Plasma Cannon
It is a tough class as you are caught out reloading or out of ammo a lot of the time,
but it deals an overwhelming amount of damage, I find it justifies being so powerful due to the risk of using it
I can take out any class in the game with my PLC and to be fair they can get me when I mess up
but anyway on to my point ............
Over the last while there have been several calls to increase it's capability,
DO NOT LISTEN TO THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It needs a Breach Variant and an Officers Variant, along with bug fixes
If you alter my beloved Plasma Cannon , I will find you and I will hurt you
I once fought a Matari FW against my arch enemies, where I met a Gallente Sex-Slave
We hooked up, I took her back to my Merc Quarters and spent 48 hours making sweet love 
2 years later she arrived at my Pad telling me I had fathered this abomination on her and she
could no longer handle it's obscene power and the way it inherited frontline instincts from me,
So I became a full-time father to my lovechild Plasma Cannon
CCP if you try to take my child from me, I will declare war upon you |
SCAR KOLOS
Legion of Eden
Covert Intervention
8
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:45:00 -
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loool respect and i'm with you
" it's trust and character i need around me, u know it's who u have around u that let's u know who u really r" good luck
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hgghyujh
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:50:00 -
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first sensible PLC tread ive seen yet. |
TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
66
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Posted - 2013.12.03 12:26:00 -
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@ hgghyujh , thats exactly why I am trying to counter the posts asking for buff
A buff to the PLC is pointless and would be potentially game-breaking
If you don't like it, then don't use it
If you can't use it, then **** off asking for buffs
I will get Molden Heath Child Protection Services in here and this will go to court  |
Arc-08
Knights Of Ender
Public Disorder.
147
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Posted - 2013.12.03 12:27:00 -
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STAAAHHHP!!! plasma cannons need a buff and a fix, but SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH you might distract them from fixing vehicles, they needs to concentrate
Arc Troopers (Advanced Recon Commando's) Fiercest warriors in the galaxy
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
66
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Posted - 2013.12.03 12:39:00 -
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@ Arc-08
How about no, I'm not distracting CCP from anything, you are
The PLC is exactly where it should be (in the hands of skilled users)
I'm asking for nothing to be done and hoping CCP ignore the comments asking otherwise
you clearly don't use the PLC and if you do, then quit |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
493
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Posted - 2013.12.03 12:57:00 -
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I found latency issues being the big problem of the PLC.
No worries if you miss a few bullets with an AR, using a PLC...not so much. |
TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
67
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Posted - 2013.12.03 12:59:00 -
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Indeed RKKR , o7
that non-existent shot is a ****
but tbh I am finding it happens way less than what it used to |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
494
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Posted - 2013.12.03 13:03:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Indeed RKKR , o7
that non-existent shot is a ****
but tbh I am finding it happens way less than what it used to
Yes, and also shots flying throughout the enemy.
PC warm up battles in ambush and skirm: going +10 kills/game.
PC battle (with the usual lag) Can't hit a thing.
Luckily i only play PC once in a blue moon. |
TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
67
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Posted - 2013.12.03 13:08:00 -
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YES!
have you noticed that since the hit detection update it is possible to shoot the PLC,
right between someones legs !!!! its madness you'd think they'd at least be gelded from intensely hot plasma
passing below their crotch !!!! , I de-activated AA and found this happens less
also I participated in a PC match and had much the same issue, getting hits was next to impossible |
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.12.03 13:29:00 -
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It maybe half decent at taking out infantry, but it's a terrible AV weapon.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
74
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Posted - 2013.12.03 13:33:00 -
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Sorry Cat, iv got to go against you here
Plasma Cannon/AV nades is a very successful AV fitting
also I think the PLC should assist in Vehicle kills not take them on solo |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1065
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Posted - 2013.12.03 13:41:00 -
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The plasma cannon in its current state is borderline useless. Any skill you claim to have with it is really just luck on your part and foolishness on the part of your victims.
It is intended to be a Galente light AV weapon but all it can be used for is a poor AP weapon. There are numerous threads discussing the plasma cannon's shortfalls all of which present arguments with far more merit than the OP and his supporters have used here.
If you are trolling I will chuckle but, sadly, you seem to be serious.
Fun > Realism
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
74
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Posted - 2013.12.03 13:47:00 -
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lol, it takes practice and I'll accept it takes a degree of luck and misfortune on the enemy side
but if it didn't have these drawbacks it would be severely OP
so you sir are the one trolling,
nice constructive feedback |
Ulysses Knapse
duna corp
696
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Posted - 2013.12.03 13:49:00 -
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The only reason that the Plasma Cannon is even usable is because it can OHK infantry if you're lucky and skilled. That's all. That's really the only reason why it's even usable. A weapon should have advantages than just alpha damage.
The Plasma Cannon isn't even worth a second look if you really want to be competitive, and that's just not right.
Humanity is the personification of change.
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Samael Artico
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.12.03 13:56:00 -
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Plasma Cannon is underpowered. I don't think there's any arguing about that.
Sure, you can get kills with it, but it's still underpowered. |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4280
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Posted - 2013.12.03 14:17:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Sorry Cat, iv got to go against you here
Plasma Cannon/AV nades is a very successful AV fitting
also I think the PLC should assist in Vehicle kills not take them on solo
PLC is a close range single shot weapon with a very slow projectile, charge up time and projectile drop.
It should be MUCH more powerful than any other AV weapon in this game.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
1090
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Posted - 2013.12.03 14:25:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:The plasma cannon in its current state is borderline useless. Any skill you claim to have with it is really just luck on your part and foolishness on the part of your victims.
It is intended to be a Galente light AV weapon but all it can be used for is a poor AP weapon. There are numerous threads discussing the plasma cannon's shortfalls all of which present arguments with far more merit than the OP and his supporters have used here.
If you are trolling I will chuckle but, sadly, you seem to be serious.
How many redline snipers have you killed at 100-200+ m with a Plasma Cannon? I refuse to believe that luck is the main reason I can do that consistently. I won't argue that it isn't a factor, but to write of someone else's skill as just luck, just because you can't do it yourself, is... arrogant.
[+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Level 1 Forum Warrior
The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered
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Samael Artico
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.12.03 14:29:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:The plasma cannon in its current state is borderline useless. Any skill you claim to have with it is really just luck on your part and foolishness on the part of your victims.
It is intended to be a Galente light AV weapon but all it can be used for is a poor AP weapon. There are numerous threads discussing the plasma cannon's shortfalls all of which present arguments with far more merit than the OP and his supporters have used here.
If you are trolling I will chuckle but, sadly, you seem to be serious. How many redline snipers have you killed at 100-200+ m with a Plasma Cannon? I refuse to believe that luck is the main reason I can do that consistently.
That's completely different. Snipers don't move unless they feel like they're in danger. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
498
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Posted - 2013.12.03 17:25:00 -
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Everyone and their mom will be using one if they change all that stuff so IF they do change it then I hope it will be just some minor adjustments.
I know I'm frowned upon if I run my logi with a PLC, but most of them change their minds if they see those reds popping in front of them. It's not that the AR is to goto weapon for all situations that other weapons have to be like that if you know the strength and weaknesses of it then you should be fine. |
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
259
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:00:00 -
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Let's re-evaluate after they improve splash damage.
Personally, I always thought this weapon would be particularly useful in the hands of a Commando, who also had another Light weapon to fall back on.
On a side note, I was killed by a plasma cannon in a PC match yesterday. I was impressed.
Who cares what some sniper has to say
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CLONE117
planetary retaliation organisation
494
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Posted - 2013.12.03 19:24:00 -
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buff direct damage so no infantry can survive its single shot?.
i kinda wish i could get a bigger blast radius for it as well. maybe around 5.
the proto plasma cannon can get up to over 600 splash damage.
so its pretty good. if u can use it right.
but i dont think its actually designed as an av weapon.
it seems to be more of an anti infantry weapon. |
Terra Thesis
HDYLTA
Defiant Legacy
370
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Posted - 2013.12.03 19:34:00 -
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Dust needs all the players it can get and the PLC is the love for the hipsters ^^
HDYLTA - Freedom Delivered
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
92
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:16:00 -
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Just a reminder, this thread is asking for minimal or no changes to the Plasma Cannon
It needs to be given the options most classes have
Breach variant - slow, high DMG, less ammo/splash (more useful AV weapon)
Officer variant - (God Mode)
maybe an assault variant is possible I am unsure if it wouldn't be OP but it could
be implemented with less direct hit damage/more splash,
but I do think an assault version is a bad idea
Some good feedback here though, thanks
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2013.12.04 01:03:00 -
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@TheD1ck
I am a fellow member of the Plasma Cannon Order! :D
@Mobius Kaethis You do not deserve the Plasma Cannon!
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1067
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:36:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:@TheD1ck
I am a fellow member of the Plasma Cannon Order! :D
@Mobius Kaethis You do not deserve the Plasma Cannon!
Don't deserve perhaps but that only matters if I want it. As I've already stated it is borderline useless. Just because you can kill stationary targets with it doesn't change that. I can OHK stationary targets with any weapon in this game. Heck if someone was stationary I could kill them with a small rail turret so lets not make that the bar a weapon has to climb above to be deemed excellent.
Some of you seem to have me confused with someone who is doubting the fun of the plasma cannon. That I am not. A weapon can be fun and suck all at the same time.
What the plasma cannon needs though is some serious love. Previously I proposed that the projectile speed be linked to how long you hold the charge and that this dictate how much the weapon arcs as well. Gravity is a constant (relatively) on a given planet so a faster projectile would travel farther before reaching the ground when fired at an identical arc to a slower one.
This change would make a huge difference in the usefulness of this weapon. It would still need skill to use since not everyone would be able to get the hang of the charge for projectile speed, keeping some of its "indy" status but also giving it much more utility.
It should be noted that it is intended as a anti-vehicle weapon (read the description) and as such would need a lot more help to be useful in this role. It is awful compared to both swarms and forges due to its relatively low dps though that may change in the next build.
Fun > Realism
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RKKR
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
499
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Posted - 2013.12.04 10:52:00 -
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Since when are we talking about stationary targets only? |
Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
767
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Posted - 2013.12.04 13:27:00 -
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This thread is stupid.
Plasma cannon really needs to be tweaked.
KDR > ALL
ME > KDR
ME > ALL
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1069
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Posted - 2013.12.04 13:33:00 -
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RKKR wrote:Since when are we talking about stationary targets only?
Fizzer94 wrote:
How many redline snipers have you killed at 100-200+ m with a Plasma Cannon? I refuse to believe that luck is the main reason I can do that consistently. I won't argue that it isn't a factor, but to write of someone else's skill as just luck, just because you can't do it yourself, is... arrogant.
Hitting snipers from 200m is hitting a stationary target.
Being able to hit anything else is the direct result of a) incompetence on the part of the target and/or b) a ridiculous amount of luck.
Fun > Realism
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
96
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Posted - 2013.12.04 15:43:00 -
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Mobius, you raise a good point about charge time being related to projectile speed , + 1
On the other hand you are talking down a weapon that you clearly haven't used a lot
Stationary targets are easy enough given you judge the distance 1st time and don't alert them with
a glowing orb cruising past their face
@ Spectral , there is no need for useless feedback 'tweaked' could mean a number of things
But as I have said before it does take a degree of skill/luck to be successful
if it didnt we would be looking at a 1000+ DMG Mass driver, lol and this game has enough flaws already
So to get this straight , I am a dedicated PLC user
90% of my time on Dust I have one equipped
I am asking that no buffs happen to the weapon I use as from using it
I know it's pros/cons and I know that if CCP decide to increase it's slayer role then....
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