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TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 62	Posted - 2013.12.03 11:29:00 - [1] - Quote CCP !!! For months now I have specialized with a Plasma Cannon It is a tough class as you are caught out reloading or out of ammo a lot of the time, but it deals an overwhelming amount of damage, I find it justifies being so powerful due to the risk of using it I can take out any class in the game with my PLC and to be fair they can get me when I mess up but anyway on to my point ............ Over the last while there have been several calls to increase it's capability, DO NOT LISTEN TO THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It needs a Breach Variant and an Officers Variant, along with bug fixes If you alter my beloved Plasma Cannon , I will find you and I will hurt you I once fought a Matari FW against my arch enemies, where I met a Gallente Sex-Slave We hooked up, I took her back to my Merc Quarters and spent 48 hours making sweet love 2 years later she arrived at my Pad telling me I had fathered this abomination on her and she could no longer handle it's obscene power and the way it inherited frontline instincts from me, So I became a full-time father to my lovechild Plasma Cannon CCP if you try to take my child from me, I will declare war upon you
SCAR KOLOS Legion of Eden Covert Intervention 8	Posted - 2013.12.03 11:45:00 - [2] - Quote loool respect and i'm with you " it's trust and character i need around me, u know it's who u have around u that let's u know who u really r" good luck
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 182	Posted - 2013.12.03 11:50:00 - [3] - Quote first sensible PLC tread ive seen yet.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 66	Posted - 2013.12.03 12:26:00 - [4] - Quote @ hgghyujh , thats exactly why I am trying to counter the posts asking for buff A buff to the PLC is pointless and would be potentially game-breaking If you don't like it, then don't use it If you can't use it, then **** off asking for buffs I will get Molden Heath Child Protection Services in here and this will go to court
Arc-08 Knights Of Ender Public Disorder. 147	Posted - 2013.12.03 12:27:00 - [5] - Quote STAAAHHHP!!! plasma cannons need a buff and a fix, but SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH you might distract them from fixing vehicles, they needs to concentrate Arc Troopers (Advanced Recon Commando's) Fiercest warriors in the galaxy
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 66	Posted - 2013.12.03 12:39:00 - [6] - Quote @ Arc-08 How about no, I'm not distracting CCP from anything, you are The PLC is exactly where it should be (in the hands of skilled users) I'm asking for nothing to be done and hoping CCP ignore the comments asking otherwise you clearly don't use the PLC and if you do, then quit
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 493	Posted - 2013.12.03 12:57:00 - [7] - Quote I found latency issues being the big problem of the PLC. No worries if you miss a few bullets with an AR, using a PLC...not so much.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 67	Posted - 2013.12.03 12:59:00 - [8] - Quote Indeed RKKR , o7 that non-existent shot is a **** but tbh I am finding it happens way less than what it used to
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 494	Posted - 2013.12.03 13:03:00 - [9] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Indeed RKKR , o7 that non-existent shot is a **** but tbh I am finding it happens way less than what it used to Yes, and also shots flying throughout the enemy. PC warm up battles in ambush and skirm: going +10 kills/game. PC battle (with the usual lag) Can't hit a thing. Luckily i only play PC once in a blue moon.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 67	Posted - 2013.12.03 13:08:00 - [10] - Quote YES! have you noticed that since the hit detection update it is possible to shoot the PLC, right between someones legs !!!! its madness you'd think they'd at least be gelded from intensely hot plasma passing below their crotch !!!! , I de-activated AA and found this happens less also I participated in a PC match and had much the same issue, getting hits was next to impossible

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4279	Posted - 2013.12.03 13:29:00 - [11] - Quote It maybe half decent at taking out infantry, but it's a terrible AV weapon. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 74	Posted - 2013.12.03 13:33:00 - [12] - Quote Sorry Cat, iv got to go against you here Plasma Cannon/AV nades is a very successful AV fitting also I think the PLC should assist in Vehicle kills not take them on solo
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1065	Posted - 2013.12.03 13:41:00 - [13] - Quote The plasma cannon in its current state is borderline useless. Any skill you claim to have with it is really just luck on your part and foolishness on the part of your victims. It is intended to be a Galente light AV weapon but all it can be used for is a poor AP weapon. There are numerous threads discussing the plasma cannon's shortfalls all of which present arguments with far more merit than the OP and his supporters have used here. If you are trolling I will chuckle but, sadly, you seem to be serious. Fun > Realism
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 74	Posted - 2013.12.03 13:47:00 - [14] - Quote lol, it takes practice and I'll accept it takes a degree of luck and misfortune on the enemy side but if it didn't have these drawbacks it would be severely OP so you sir are the one trolling, nice constructive feedback
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 696	Posted - 2013.12.03 13:49:00 - [15] - Quote The only reason that the Plasma Cannon is even usable is because it can OHK infantry if you're lucky and skilled. That's all. That's really the only reason why it's even usable. A weapon should have advantages than just alpha damage. The Plasma Cannon isn't even worth a second look if you really want to be competitive, and that's just not right. Humanity is the personification of change.
Samael Artico Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2013.12.03 13:56:00 - [16] - Quote Plasma Cannon is underpowered. I don't think there's any arguing about that. Sure, you can get kills with it, but it's still underpowered.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4280	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:17:00 - [17] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Sorry Cat, iv got to go against you here Plasma Cannon/AV nades is a very successful AV fitting also I think the PLC should assist in Vehicle kills not take them on solo PLC is a close range single shot weapon with a very slow projectile, charge up time and projectile drop. It should be MUCH more powerful than any other AV weapon in this game. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 1090	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:25:00 - [18] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: The plasma cannon in its current state is borderline useless. Any skill you claim to have with it is really just luck on your part and foolishness on the part of your victims. It is intended to be a Galente light AV weapon but all it can be used for is a poor AP weapon. There are numerous threads discussing the plasma cannon's shortfalls all of which present arguments with far more merit than the OP and his supporters have used here. If you are trolling I will chuckle but, sadly, you seem to be serious. How many redline snipers have you killed at 100-200+ m with a Plasma Cannon? I refuse to believe that luck is the main reason I can do that consistently. I won't argue that it isn't a factor, but to write of someone else's skill as just luck, just because you can't do it yourself, is... arrogant. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Level 1 Forum Warrior The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered
Samael Artico Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:29:00 - [19] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: The plasma cannon in its current state is borderline useless. Any skill you claim to have with it is really just luck on your part and foolishness on the part of your victims. It is intended to be a Galente light AV weapon but all it can be used for is a poor AP weapon. There are numerous threads discussing the plasma cannon's shortfalls all of which present arguments with far more merit than the OP and his supporters have used here. If you are trolling I will chuckle but, sadly, you seem to be serious. How many redline snipers have you killed at 100-200+ m with a Plasma Cannon? I refuse to believe that luck is the main reason I can do that consistently. That's completely different. Snipers don't move unless they feel like they're in danger.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 498	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:25:00 - [20] - Quote Everyone and their mom will be using one if they change all that stuff so IF they do change it then I hope it will be just some minor adjustments. I know I'm frowned upon if I run my logi with a PLC, but most of them change their minds if they see those reds popping in front of them. It's not that the AR is to goto weapon for all situations that other weapons have to be like that if you know the strength and weaknesses of it then you should be fine.

Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 259	Posted - 2013.12.03 18:00:00 - [21] - Quote Let's re-evaluate after they improve splash damage. Personally, I always thought this weapon would be particularly useful in the hands of a Commando, who also had another Light weapon to fall back on. On a side note, I was killed by a plasma cannon in a PC match yesterday. I was impressed. Who cares what some sniper has to say
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 494	Posted - 2013.12.03 19:24:00 - [22] - Quote buff direct damage so no infantry can survive its single shot?. i kinda wish i could get a bigger blast radius for it as well. maybe around 5. the proto plasma cannon can get up to over 600 splash damage. so its pretty good. if u can use it right. but i dont think its actually designed as an av weapon. it seems to be more of an anti infantry weapon.
Terra Thesis HDYLTA Defiant Legacy 370	Posted - 2013.12.03 19:34:00 - [23] - Quote Dust needs all the players it can get and the PLC is the love for the hipsters ^^ HDYLTA - Freedom Delivered
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 92	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:16:00 - [24] - Quote Just a reminder, this thread is asking for minimal or no changes to the Plasma Cannon It needs to be given the options most classes have Breach variant - slow, high DMG, less ammo/splash (more useful AV weapon) Officer variant - (God Mode) maybe an assault variant is possible I am unsure if it wouldn't be OP but it could be implemented with less direct hit damage/more splash, but I do think an assault version is a bad idea Some good feedback here though, thanks
DeadlyAztec11 2478	Posted - 2013.12.04 01:03:00 - [25] - Quote @TheD1ck I am a fellow member of the Plasma Cannon Order! :D @Mobius Kaethis You do not deserve the Plasma Cannon! Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1067	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:36:00 - [26] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: @TheD1ck I am a fellow member of the Plasma Cannon Order! :D @Mobius Kaethis You do not deserve the Plasma Cannon! Don't deserve perhaps but that only matters if I want it. As I've already stated it is borderline useless. Just because you can kill stationary targets with it doesn't change that. I can OHK stationary targets with any weapon in this game. Heck if someone was stationary I could kill them with a small rail turret so lets not make that the bar a weapon has to climb above to be deemed excellent. Some of you seem to have me confused with someone who is doubting the fun of the plasma cannon. That I am not. A weapon can be fun and suck all at the same time. What the plasma cannon needs though is some serious love. Previously I proposed that the projectile speed be linked to how long you hold the charge and that this dictate how much the weapon arcs as well. Gravity is a constant (relatively) on a given planet so a faster projectile would travel farther before reaching the ground when fired at an identical arc to a slower one. This change would make a huge difference in the usefulness of this weapon. It would still need skill to use since not everyone would be able to get the hang of the charge for projectile speed, keeping some of its "indy" status but also giving it much more utility. It should be noted that it is intended as a anti-vehicle weapon (read the description) and as such would need a lot more help to be useful in this role. It is awful compared to both swarms and forges due to its relatively low dps though that may change in the next build. Fun > Realism
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 499	Posted - 2013.12.04 10:52:00 - [27] - Quote Since when are we talking about stationary targets only?
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 767	Posted - 2013.12.04 13:27:00 - [28] - Quote This thread is stupid. Plasma cannon really needs to be tweaked. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1069	Posted - 2013.12.04 13:33:00 - [29] - Quote RKKR wrote: Since when are we talking about stationary targets only? Fizzer94 wrote: How many redline snipers have you killed at 100-200+ m with a Plasma Cannon? I refuse to believe that luck is the main reason I can do that consistently. I won't argue that it isn't a factor, but to write of someone else's skill as just luck, just because you can't do it yourself, is... arrogant. Hitting snipers from 200m is hitting a stationary target. Being able to hit anything else is the direct result of a) incompetence on the part of the target and/or b) a ridiculous amount of luck. Fun > Realism
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 96	Posted - 2013.12.04 15:43:00 - [30] - Quote Mobius, you raise a good point about charge time being related to projectile speed , + 1 On the other hand you are talking down a weapon that you clearly haven't used a lot Stationary targets are easy enough given you judge the distance 1st time and don't alert them with a glowing orb cruising past their face @ Spectral , there is no need for useless feedback 'tweaked' could mean a number of things But as I have said before it does take a degree of skill/luck to be successful if it didnt we would be looking at a 1000+ DMG Mass driver, lol and this game has enough flaws already So to get this straight , I am a dedicated PLC user 90% of my time on Dust I have one equipped I am asking that no buffs happen to the weapon I use as from using it I know it's pros/cons and I know that if CCP decide to increase it's slayer role then.... another step backwards for dust

Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 772	Posted - 2013.12.04 15:58:00 - [31] - Quote Tweak: straight projectile trajectory, fast projectile speed and projectile damage falloff over distance. Keep one round clip and reload speed as is. Then players would maybe start using it in a competitive environment such as planetary conquest. Trolling pub matches with this weapon only proves that the weapon is good vs noobs. Many other games do have balanced RPG weapons. Dust has the worst RPG in any game made. Period. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 772	Posted - 2013.12.04 16:12:00 - [32] - Quote Nevermind actually.. this must be a troll thread... KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Galthur CrimeWave Syndicate 165	Posted - 2013.12.04 18:03:00 - [33] - Quote It's currently PERFECT against infantry, but seeing it's a AV weapon also it needs a buff. With low range, drop, and slow projectile speed it you would expect it to have the highest AV damage yet it is the lowest. It's direct damage needs a 50% to 100% buff with either 25% more velocity or decrease in drop. That would not affect infantry engagements much while making it a decent AV in it's intended situation (close range high damage). Level 2 [======== ] Pure Gallente - Preferred Gamemode: PVE
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 86	Posted - 2013.12.04 18:09:00 - [34] - Quote It could use a slight splash radius increase but other than that I agree. Weapon is fine. Its not meant to be av, it just hits hard enough to be viable against light armor. Dedicated scout. Player bodyguard Pistol supremacy.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 98	Posted - 2013.12.05 19:32:00 - [35] - Quote You miss the point that the weapon is in no need of fixing, it performs perfectly It will be at a level playing field when AR/SR are brought into line (maybe never) As a suppression/area denial weapon it is ideal and CQC v infantry it's awesome AV is fine as long as you have back-up .......... If you still think it needs buffing then go to those threads and promote it, this thread is against buff also I think an RPG is unnecessary in Dust514
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 411	Posted - 2013.12.05 19:39:00 - [36] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: CCP !!! For months now I have specialized with a Plasma Cannon It is a tough class as you are caught out reloading or out of ammo a lot of the time, but it deals an overwhelming amount of damage, I find it justifies being so powerful due to the risk of using it I can take out any class in the game with my PLC and to be fair they can get me when I mess up but anyway on to my point ............ Over the last while there have been several calls to increase it's capability, DO NOT LISTEN TO THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It needs a Breach Variant and an Officers Variant, along with bug fixes If you alter my beloved Plasma Cannon , I will find you and I will hurt you I once fought a Matari FW against my arch enemies, where I met a Gallente Sex-Slave We hooked up, I took her back to my Merc Quarters and spent 48 hours making sweet love 2 years later she arrived at my Pad telling me I had fathered this abomination on her and she could no longer handle it's obscene power and the way it inherited frontline instincts from me, So I became a full-time father to my lovechild Plasma Cannon CCP if you try to take my child from me, I will declare war upon you I agree cos you're name and this subject are linked. *Assassination is my thing.*
Galthur CrimeWave Syndicate 172	Posted - 2013.12.05 21:15:00 - [37] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: It could use a slight splash radius increase but other than that I agree. Weapon is fine. Its not meant to be av, it just hits hard enough to be viable against light armor. It IS a AV weapon and it ISN'T viable against light armor. Level 18 [======== ] Pure Gallente - Preferred Gamemode: PVE
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 501	Posted - 2013.12.05 23:52:00 - [38] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: RKKR wrote: Since when are we talking about stationary targets only? Fizzer94 wrote: How many redline snipers have you killed at 100-200+ m with a Plasma Cannon? I refuse to believe that luck is the main reason I can do that consistently. I won't argue that it isn't a factor, but to write of someone else's skill as just luck, just because you can't do it yourself, is... arrogant. Hitting snipers from 200m is hitting a stationary target. Being able to hit anything else is the direct result of a) incompetence on the part of the target and/or b) a ridiculous amount of luck. Does that mean we have to ignore moving targets? Why should the target be incompetent? If he is looking at at PLC-user maaaaybe, it is funny how many people think they can still shoot you before they get a PLC in the face, I find these the easy kills, then again this can be said about every weapon. Most of the times they shouldn't have seen you firing it. Flank them, hit them from the side (lead your target, drop the 'luck'). Corner-shots,.... This isn't a lets-stand-in-front-of-eachother-and-do-a-standoff-shootout-game. Mobius Kaethis wrote: Some of you seem to have me confused with someone who is doubting the fun of the plasma cannon. That I am not. A weapon can be fun and suck all at the same time. Maybe you should stop seeing it as just fun and come back here again. Believe me, fix the current existing issues first then see how much more kills a person can get. You don't want to post NERF PLCs threads in the forums because everyone is making a killing with them in the future.
Faunher The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2	Posted - 2013.12.06 01:28:00 - [39] - Quote The only thing I can ask for for the PLC is a slight speed increase to the shot. It's a tad ridiculous that in the time it takes the projectile to travel 50 meters, you can run up to and melee the target to death.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1078	Posted - 2013.12.06 03:21:00 - [40] - Quote And just how many kills can you pull in a game when running primarily with the plasma cannon RKKR? Can you go 20/5 with it in a battle? You can go 20/5 with every other weapon if you have the skills to do so. This is considered an average game for non-scout players. If plasma cannon players can consistently post this kind of success in a match with their weapon of choice then I will retract all my statments about the PLC sucking. From my experience though I rarely see a cannoneer (yep your cannoneers now) go positive in a match let also post up an average game (see above criteria) from a kills point of view. Sure they may do well if they spam grenades or do a great job with the side arm but not because of the plasma cannon and their skill with it. For that matter how about AV? The plasma cannon is an AV weapon (read the weapon's description) but how often are you able to take down a tank with one? Forge vs PLC which is better against tanks or infantry? I am willing to bend that the plasma cannon is good but only if you can demonstrate it in battle, something I have yet to see done. Fun > Realism

RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 502	Posted - 2013.12.06 09:40:00 - [41] - Quote I'm a logi, I focus on helping my team out in the first place or holding a spot but my PLC-kills are equal to my AR-kills. Before you make a comeback and say I have nothing to say about #kills because I run logi: I even can manage to come out on top in ambush if I focus on killing, but hey I don't want to be called an assault-logo now, do I? No sidearm, grenade spam is gayyy I only use is at a last resort, who the hell equips a PLC if they are going to grenade spam. Oooh it's funny that PLC can't kill with nades but that you don't count grenade kills in your average game for non-scout players. But sure I can get it when people are just using a weapon for FUN that they can't go positive, then again how many people of negative with their ARs? ** guys, the AR is useless! http://wiki.dust514.info wrote:** The plasma cannon is a single-shot, direct-fire weapon developed for use in urban operations and confined space combat. The dense plasma discharge it generates is highly unstable, decaying rapidly and venting sufficient heat and energy to severely damage targets caught within its critical emission radius. Did the description change, because I see nothing about it being an AV weapon. I've taken down several tanks, but are you saying the PLC has to be overpowered so everybody can complain their HAVs get destroyed by one PLC hit? Taking out a tank is no solo-effort. Maybe you have the join the PLC-channel and hop into a game with them because honestly you are not going to believe anything of what we say while making misinformed assumptions.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 101	Posted - 2013.12.06 18:54:00 - [42] - Quote I regularly finish with games 20/5 or better but regardless of that the PLC is not intended to top killboard, It should be used to hold back enemy advances and assist teammates open terrain can be a problem, or just having a bad game I will do worse but I have took out some really good players, and contributed vitally to my squads winning games consistently and Mobius Kaethis , I will meet you in game I'll send mail later this evening I will show you how the PLC can play a vital role in any squad
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 816	Posted - 2013.12.06 18:59:00 - [43] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: ...but regardless of that the PLC is not intended to top killboard.... I still dont agree with this. Plasma cannon does not have a unique role which it is best of. - Mass driver better at slaying infantry in confined spaces. - Forge gun better at slaying vehicles at all ranges (including confined spaces).. - Swarm launcher (currently in 1.6) better at slaying vehicles at all ranges (including confined spaces). Btw, when do you find a vehicle in a confined space?? Must be a moron driving it then. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1091	Posted - 2013.12.07 05:38:00 - [44] - Quote Interesting...I think they did change the description. It used to include something about anti-material in urban operations (or at least I thought it did...) Now my whole world has been called into question. Fun > Realism
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 271	Posted - 2013.12.07 10:48:00 - [45] - Quote 20/5 is the "average player's" end-of-game score in what game mode? Certainly not Ambush, or else it'd only take 4 of them on a team to win. Unless the other team has a good number of "average players." There must be some poor SOB on the other team going 0/45 for 20/5 to be the "average player's" score.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 108	Posted - 2013.12.08 11:59:00 - [46] - Quote I'll just leave this post on a friendly note of ... If you still need convincing, mail me in game and I will try put in a few good games


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