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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4274	Posted - 2013.12.03 11:17:00 - [1] - Quote Why the hate towards the CPM? Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 71	Posted - 2013.12.03 11:33:00 - [2] - Quote Because they're representative of the dust community, and we're generally massive jerks... Also if you yell at them they sometimes respond, unlike CCP
Assert Dominance 0bamacare 518	Posted - 2013.12.03 11:36:00 - [3] - Quote they dont support Obamacare. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BROWqjuTM0g < 1.7 leak!
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 674	Posted - 2013.12.03 11:37:00 - [4] - Quote I like the CPM. Especially jenza I mean I like jenza a lot. Really lot. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published 24/11/13
steadyhand amarr steadyhands independent mercenarys 1997	Posted - 2013.12.03 11:37:00 - [5] - Quote Myself they have rarely represented the views of the playerbase instead pushing their own ideas and probably killing good ideas from ccp. There great people but they should not be cpms they were ment to setup a vote system thats not happened and a lot of people are resentfull for that. "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1061	Posted - 2013.12.03 11:37:00 - [6] - Quote Everybody hates politicians. "Just another piece of duct tape" Drugs for mercs
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 692	Posted - 2013.12.03 11:37:00 - [7] - Quote What use are they?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7285	Posted - 2013.12.03 11:38:00 - [8] - Quote Because people look for those in power to place responsibility and blame on for their dissatisfaction with the game. They grossly overestimate the power the CPM actually hold, as well as they're actually responsible for. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Rogue Saint Science For Death 556	Posted - 2013.12.03 11:39:00 - [9] - Quote Because some people don't like a select few having direct access to the devs and QQ when CPM are bound to silence due to NDA's. GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦ - Bringing the dakka [The whiny Scout]
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 62	Posted - 2013.12.03 11:41:00 - [10] - Quote If anyone should qualify for CPM it has to a regular player right??? a guy who knows how each role is played and how to counter enemy tactics I have seen a couple of Dev's, never have I played against a CPM and I run America/Europe/Asia/Oceanic servers so why do they get a voice when they arent the ones taking fire on the battlefield?

Morathi III Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2013.12.03 11:44:00 - [11] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: they dont support Obamacare. ^
Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.12.03 11:52:00 - [12] - Quote I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2316	Posted - 2013.12.03 11:53:00 - [13] - Quote Gabe Vello wrote: I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this? Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4274	Posted - 2013.12.03 11:54:00 - [14] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Myself they have rarely represented the views of the playerbase instead pushing their own ideas and probably killing good ideas from ccp. There great people but they should not be cpms they were ment to setup a vote system thats not happened and a lot of people are resentfull for that. How do you know that they're pushing their own ideas? Did you actually talk to them? Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4274	Posted - 2013.12.03 11:56:00 - [15] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: If anyone should qualify for CPM it has to a regular player right??? a guy who knows how each role is played and how to counter enemy tactics I have seen a couple of Dev's, never have I played against a CPM and I run America/Europe/Asia/Oceanic servers so why do they get a voice when they arent the ones taking fire on the battlefield? huh? I played with 3 of them. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.12.03 12:21:00 - [16] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this? The examples of proof are the deeds undone by the CPM, or I could go on that band wagon with the recent PC changes just happened shortly after EON called it quits on PC but thats all hearsay thats also kinda coincidental. Much like the "tank changes" and the super nerf on the swarm launchers... but thats more for the iron wolf saber hearsay that just happened to be coincidental as well. Those are my examples which again as in the above are my "opinion" since i have no access to CPM meetings or info or votes on what gets put out on the table. What are your examples and proof of changes that the CPM helped in regards to the player base?
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4276	Posted - 2013.12.03 12:27:00 - [17] - Quote Gabe Vello wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this? The examples of proof are the deeds undone by the CPM, or I could go on that band wagon with the recent PC changes just happened shortly after EON called it quits on PC but thats all hearsay thats also kinda coincidental. Much like the "tank changes" and the super nerf on the swarm launchers... but thats more for the iron wolf saber hearsay that just happened to be coincidental as well. Those are my examples which again as in the above are my "opinion" since i have no access to CPM meetings or info or votes on what gets put out on the table. What are your examples and proof of changes that the CPM helped in regards to the player base? Something tells me you overestimate how much power the CPM has. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 202	Posted - 2013.12.03 12:29:00 - [18] - Quote Gabe Vello wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this? The examples of proof are the deeds undone by the CPM Can you detail them instead of dancing around the question? Tech De Ra // Electronic Sports League Games Co-ordinator
Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.12.03 12:42:00 - [19] - Quote Not really, in no way am I under the illusions that the CPM wave the magic wand and get things done. However they are in a postition to address major player concerns to the devs repeatedly . Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying they should report every little thing left and right blah blah blah... there's many a troll in the forums and people that just voice their rage becasue of a bias opinion on weapons, suits, and equipment. Their job is to weed out the nonsense and focus on the balancing ideas that would improve the game for the players. Like the forge guns, I love em so much but I hated the easy splash kills you could get with it. Now that its been adjusted I'm very happy with it because if you're forge gunning infantry you have to earn those kills instead of just slpashing them to death.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1831	Posted - 2013.12.03 12:51:00 - [20] - Quote They had 1 job to do and they still havnt done it

Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.12.03 12:53:00 - [21] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this? The examples of proof are the deeds undone by the CPM Can you detail them instead of dancing around the question? Slayer logis - lets face it, you can tank the crap out of them plus have many gagits all for the cost of your side arm.. unless your amarr swarms they can kill tanks but are crap against drop ships. missles are way to slow but you can lock and fire fast which means your first hit gets an after burner turned on and the next 2 vollys never connect proximity mines that don;t detonate on proximity but only if they get ran over armor plates cause movement penalty on infantry but not tanks (so even though that tank has 7k armor it can run away faster than an lav, where as the infantry run slower, and walk slower). Thats just a few
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4279	Posted - 2013.12.03 12:56:00 - [22] - Quote Gabe Vello wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this? The examples of proof are the deeds undone by the CPM Can you detail them instead of dancing around the question? Slayer logis - lets face it, you can tank the crap out of them plus have many gagits all for the cost of your side arm.. unless your amarr swarms they can kill tanks but are crap against drop ships. missles are way to slow but you can lock and fire fast which means your first hit gets an after burner turned on and the next 2 vollys never connect proximity mines that don;t detonate on proximity but only if they get ran over armor plates cause movement penalty on infantry but not tanks (so even though that tank has 7k armor it can run away faster than an lav, where as the infantry run slower, and walk slower). Thats just a few Slayer logis - They are working on a fix. As much as we would love for changes to pump out quickly, they can't do it instantly. Swarms - Not sure what to say Proximity mines - huh? They do their job Armor plates - Tanks get an acceleration reduction. Infantry have an extremely fast acceleration (if not instant) so I don't think it would work. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10980	Posted - 2013.12.03 12:59:00 - [23] - Quote Gabe Vello wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this? The examples of proof are the deeds undone by the CPM Can you detail them instead of dancing around the question? Slayer logis - lets face it, you can tank the crap out of them plus have many gagits all for the cost of your side arm.. unless your amarr swarms they can kill tanks but are crap against drop ships. missles are way to slow but you can lock and fire fast which means your first hit gets an after burner turned on and the next 2 vollys never connect proximity mines that don;t detonate on proximity but only if they get ran over armor plates cause movement penalty on infantry but not tanks (so even though that tank has 7k armor it can run away faster than an lav, where as the infantry run slower, and walk slower). Thats just a few ... Do you even play?!? BTW its pretty sad when I have to say this. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Infantry Armoring =// Unlocked
Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.12.03 13:21:00 - [24] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: Slayer logis - lets face it, you can tank the crap out of them plus have many gagits all for the cost of your side arm.. unless your amarr swarms they can kill tanks but are crap against drop ships. missles are way to slow but you can lock and fire fast which means your first hit gets an after burner turned on and the next 2 vollys never connect proximity mines that don;t detonate on proximity but only if they get ran over armor plates cause movement penalty on infantry but not tanks (so even though that tank has 7k armor it can run away faster than an lav, where as the infantry run slower, and walk slower). Thats just a few Slayer logis - They are working on a fix. As much as we would love for changes to pump out quickly, they can't do it instantly. Swarms - Not sure what to say Proximity mines - huh? They do their job Armor plates - Tanks get an acceleration reduction. Infantry have an extremely fast acceleration (if not instant) so I don't think it would work. Proximity mines have to be scatterd all over a road to be effective and you really need to use max active for adv and proto to cover the road which makes it super easy to spot. Armor plates ... ya that acceleration reduction is not enough because they still get to speed quite fast, the top speed should have a penalty as well. As I used the infantry as an example to show both walk and sprint speeds are effected. As for slayer logis I know they are working on a fix.. it just took how many months before they even thought of it. Thats what I was pointing out not the speed in which they will fix it.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4279	Posted - 2013.12.03 13:26:00 - [25] - Quote Gabe Vello wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: Slayer logis - lets face it, you can tank the crap out of them plus have many gagits all for the cost of your side arm.. unless your amarr swarms they can kill tanks but are crap against drop ships. missles are way to slow but you can lock and fire fast which means your first hit gets an after burner turned on and the next 2 vollys never connect proximity mines that don;t detonate on proximity but only if they get ran over armor plates cause movement penalty on infantry but not tanks (so even though that tank has 7k armor it can run away faster than an lav, where as the infantry run slower, and walk slower). Thats just a few Slayer logis - They are working on a fix. As much as we would love for changes to pump out quickly, they can't do it instantly. Swarms - Not sure what to say Proximity mines - huh? They do their job Armor plates - Tanks get an acceleration reduction. Infantry have an extremely fast acceleration (if not instant) so I don't think it would work. Proximity mines have to be scatterd all over a road to be effective and you really need to use max active for adv and proto to cover the road which makes it super easy to spot. Armor plates ... ya that acceleration reduction is not enough because they still get to speed quite fast, the top speed should have a penalty as well. As I used the infantry as an example to show both walk and sprint speeds are effected. As for slayer logis I know they are working on a fix.. it just took how many months before they even thought of it. Thats what I was pointing out not the speed in which they will fix it. They had bigger concerns. They aren't going to work on exactly what you want. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.12.03 13:31:00 - [26] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: ... Do you even play?!? BTW its pretty sad when I have to say this. Really? do you even play as infantry? or just sit in your tank all day hiding when the AV gear comes out. Although I do find it sad that you comment on this when it mainly details issues with AV and armor tanks while every time I ever saw you in a match you were running around in an armor tank... don't get me wrong, I haven't seen you in a match for while so maybe you have been running on foot instead of on treds or maybe you took to flight? only you know.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1168	Posted - 2013.12.03 13:34:00 - [27] - Quote Well IWS is probably the best since he responds the most and Jena comes in second for pulling some slack but the rest need to be replaced. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 269	Posted - 2013.12.03 13:41:00 - [28] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Myself they have rarely represented the views of the playerbase instead pushing their own ideas and probably killing good ideas from ccp. There great people but they should not be cpms they were ment to setup a vote system thats not happened and a lot of people are resentfull for that. Gabe Vello wrote: I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion ^ I'll give ye two and others of a similar ilk this, ye make the rest of us with a few brain cells feel like a genius in comparison whenever we read any posts ye put up You've been asked to show some proof but we'll be waiting a long time for that Make sure to make those tinfoil hats extra thick. Takahiro Kashuken wrote: They had 1 job to do and they still havnt done it What job????? The duties that CCP gave the CPM are up to CCP as to how they want them to progress. Yes, the primary plan for this CPM was to help implement a plan for proper voting in of future CPMs. At what point did CCP say that that was all they were going to do and that they couldn't utilise them while they were there to help in other areas. So far, even with the constants placed on them by CCP, I've no issues with the CPM so far. Obviously, some of ye tinfoil hat wearing idiots out there think ye can do better, so here's hoping voting will be organised in the new year, so we can all be entertained by any posts ye put up to garner support. Do yourselves a favour though. Learn to back up accusations with proof!
Sgt Buttscratch Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1076	Posted - 2013.12.03 13:51:00 - [29] - Quote I NEVER see them ingame. NEVER. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
steadyhand amarr steadyhands independent mercenarys 1997	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:05:00 - [30] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Myself they have rarely represented the views of the playerbase instead pushing their own ideas and probably killing good ideas from ccp. There great people but they should not be cpms they were ment to setup a vote system thats not happened and a lot of people are resentfull for that. Gabe Vello wrote: I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion ^ I'll give ye two and others of a similar ilk this, ye make the rest of us with a few brain cells feel like a genius in comparison whenever we read any posts ye put up You've been asked to show some proof but we'll be waiting a long time for that Make sure to make those tinfoil hats extra thick. Takahiro Kashuken wrote: They had 1 job to do and they still havnt done it What job????? The duties that CCP gave the CPM are up to CCP as to how they want them to progress. Yes, the primary plan for this CPM was to help implement a plan for proper voting in of future CPMs. At what point did CCP say that that was all they were going to do and that they couldn't utilise them while they were there to help in other areas. So far, even with the constants placed on them by CCP, I've no issues with the CPM so far. Obviously, some of ye tinfoil hat wearing idiots out there think ye can do better, so here's hoping voting will be organised in the new year, so we can all be entertained by any posts ye put up to garner support. Do yourselves a favour though. Learn to back up accusations with proof! Rofol i have job and dont have all day to post on a game i currently hate playing. Get ur head out your ass. Spoke at length with kain where the whole irc channel disagreed with how he wanted to change PC he never really changed his tune. Iron wolf saber openly admits he hates track shooters in my cpm thread and is triping over himself with contradictions. Jenza pretty much ignored all of us to begin with on awox issues saying to was fine till she got caught out her self. Nova is never freaking around so i dont have a view on him but that means he not really doing a lot of collecting player views Hans has never really viewef on any topic but he does talk to communty and tries to play with us, so no issue with hans. Lunch break over back to work. To be clear your all nice people but u only ever change ur tune when u get caught out. "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers

Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:18:00 - [31] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: They had bigger concerns. They aren't going to work on exactly what you want. Why must you assume that those things are what I want fixed? That those things must be fixed right away? I was asked to provided examples and they weren't even on my list of things I wanted fixed. Thats what I have heard from others. Heres what I want fixed so that you can harp on it and atleast it will be my wants that your harping on. Racial and role bonus fix. amarr 3% reduction to laser weaponry heat build up per lvl caldari 5% bonus to shields per lvl Gallente armor repair bonus .5 hp per lvl Minmatar 5% Hacking speed per lvl Roles---------- assault 5% reduction to light weapon pg & cpu Logi 5% reduction to equipment pg & cpu Heavy 5% to heavy weapon reload speed Scout 5% reduction to scan profile Thats what I would like to see instead of the double role bonus that we have now. However I know this will never happen, many will troll it, some will outright disagree with it... but to me this seems balanced and fits with the way ships are in eve. I'd also like to get pirate faction suits like ships in eve where they use 2 factions that give 2 race bonus that can be bought with LP from running faction contracts. Again just my opinion
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3959	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:37:00 - [32] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Myself they have rarely represented the views of the playerbase instead pushing their own ideas and probably killing good ideas from ccp. There great people but they should not be cpms they were ment to setup a vote system thats not happened and a lot of people are resentfull for that. Wait, someone saying that the CPM is killing CCP's good ideas? Implying CCP has any good ideas and aren't just a bunch of talentless hacks? WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THESE FORUMS?! Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1297	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:45:00 - [33] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? Because people, especially internet forum-dwellers, have great difficulties in realizing the world doesn't revolve around their personal views and ill-informed opinions. Because insecurity and inexperience coupled with anonymity are a vitriolic mix. Anybody capable of removing their ego from the discussion and assessing the development of this game and the CPM rationally will reach the conclusion that CPM0 have gone above and beyond, and we very probably owe more to them than we know. IMO. I support SP rollover.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 735	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:47:00 - [34] - Quote ...but surely everyone knows that the CPM have the power to fire any CCP developer at will. That they have the authority to demand that CCP to buy them a ticket to Shanghai whenever they want so that they can walk into the office and tell the devs what they need to do. That the CPM is directly in control of both the development strategy and the short term plans. That CPM members are selected because they have special technical knowledge that allows them to get twice as much performance out of the PS3 and the Internet as anyone else. That CPM membership grants the ability to read an almost legible forum post and translate it automatically into the source code file name and line number that locates the specific bug being referenced. Everyone knows that, right? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Pr0phetzReck0ning Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:53:00 - [35] - Quote I personally would like to see a CPM that actually play this game quite actively. Is it just me or do they rarely ever play this game? About 3 weeks ago I saw Jenza in 3 of my pub matches and my eyes lit up because It was the first time in quite a long time since I'd seen her on and playing. I think I've only ever seen one other CPM member actively on and playing. and how many CPMs are there again?? And before I get any backfire (I will anyway) I'd like to say that I'm sure that they are doing their job. But it's what I personally would be comfortable with. seeing and knowing that the people that represent the rest of us are actually fighting alongside us/ against us on a regular basis.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 891	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:56:00 - [36] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? Good question. Plain and simple envy? Feeling the scanner is too simple and off balance? The fix:
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8222	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:56:00 - [37] - Quote People just like to spew hate, and the CPM is basically the closest establishment for them to vomit all over. Most of the complaints are imaginary at best, people getting worked up over thoughts of grandeur, not once taking reality into account. TL:DR; people are stupid ISK / Vids / Stream
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8222	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:58:00 - [38] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Well IWS is probably the best since he responds the most and Jena comes in second for pulling some slack but the rest need to be replaced. Well this is foolish, considering you don't even mention Hans, basically the best thing to have happened to the CPM ISK / Vids / Stream
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1297	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:00:00 - [39] - Quote Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote: I personally would like to see a CPM that actually play this game quite actively. Is it just me or do they rarely ever play this game? About 3 weeks ago I saw Jenza in 3 of my pub matches and my eyes lit up because It was the first time in quite a long time since I'd seen her on and playing. I think I've only ever seen one other CPM member actively on and playing. and how many CPMs are there again?? And before I get any backfire (I will anyway) I'd like to say that I'm sure that they are doing their job. But it's what I personally would be comfortable with. seeing and knowing that the people that represent the rest of us are actually fighting alongside us/ against us on a regular basis. If i was CPM, i'd spend all my time playing anonymously to make sure i was getting the same DUST experience that the average anonymous player gets. I'd be disturbed if the CPM members weren't playing anonymously. I support SP rollover.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8225	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:01:00 - [40] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote: I personally would like to see a CPM that actually play this game quite actively. Is it just me or do they rarely ever play this game? About 3 weeks ago I saw Jenza in 3 of my pub matches and my eyes lit up because It was the first time in quite a long time since I'd seen her on and playing. I think I've only ever seen one other CPM member actively on and playing. and how many CPMs are there again?? And before I get any backfire (I will anyway) I'd like to say that I'm sure that they are doing their job. But it's what I personally would be comfortable with. seeing and knowing that the people that represent the rest of us are actually fighting alongside us/ against us on a regular basis. If i was CPM, i'd spend all my time playing anonymously to make sure i was getting the same DUST experience that the average anonymous player gets. I'd be disturbed if the CPM members weren't playing anonymously. It kind of defeats the purpose of being a Community Rep if you go around hiding the fact that you're a Community Rep... ISK / Vids / Stream

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4281	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:02:00 - [41] - Quote Gabe Vello wrote: Cat Merc wrote: They had bigger concerns. They aren't going to work on exactly what you want. Why must you assume that those things are what I want fixed? That those things must be fixed right away? I was asked to provided examples and they weren't even on my list of things I wanted fixed. Thats what I have heard from others. Heres what I want fixed so that you can harp on it and atleast it will be my wants that your harping on. Racial and role bonus fix. amarr 3% reduction to laser weaponry heat build up per lvl caldari 5% bonus to shields per lvl Gallente armor repair bonus .5 hp per lvl Minmatar 5% Hacking speed per lvl Roles---------- assault 5% reduction to light weapon pg & cpu Logi 5% reduction to equipment pg & cpu Heavy 5% to heavy weapon reload speed Scout 5% reduction to scan profile Thats what I would like to see instead of the double role bonus that we have now. However I know this will never happen, many will troll it, some will outright disagree with it... but to me this seems balanced and fits with the way ships are in eve. I'd also like to get pirate faction suits like ships in eve where they use 2 factions that give 2 race bonus that can be bought with LP from running faction contracts. Again just my opinion See, the problem is you assume that your answer is correct. You can give CCP all the stats in the world, if in their playtest it isn't working right, they aren't going to do it. It's called the god complex, you should read about it. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
danthrax martin Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:10:00 - [42] - Quote ...wow... First to die, and i dont cry, even after the thale sends my brain spray to the sky, before the orbital makes me pie!
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1297	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:11:00 - [43] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote: I personally would like to see a CPM that actually play this game quite actively. Is it just me or do they rarely ever play this game? About 3 weeks ago I saw Jenza in 3 of my pub matches and my eyes lit up because It was the first time in quite a long time since I'd seen her on and playing. I think I've only ever seen one other CPM member actively on and playing. and how many CPMs are there again?? And before I get any backfire (I will anyway) I'd like to say that I'm sure that they are doing their job. But it's what I personally would be comfortable with. seeing and knowing that the people that represent the rest of us are actually fighting alongside us/ against us on a regular basis. If i was CPM, i'd spend all my time playing anonymously to make sure i was getting the same DUST experience that the average anonymous player gets. I'd be disturbed if the CPM members weren't playing anonymously. It kind of defeats the purpose of being a Community Rep if you go around hiding the fact that you're a Community Rep... Being recognized in-match grossly distorts the game experience. How can a player form an accurate impression of the the state of the game if they know their game experience is atypical? As far as being a community rep, i'd say a primary criteria is to be accessible to players through various comms channels - CPM0 have posted contact information ad nauseum(not complaining, it's hard to get the message out there), sure they could tour matches on their main but that's strictly a secondary measure imo. I know i can reach them any time i need to - that's good enough for me. I support SP rollover.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 342	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:17:00 - [44] - Quote I donGÇÖt have a dislike for the CPM, though at time with their trolling comments (i.e., IWS, and the Frenchie) are not needed and just goes to fuel disdain, or a projection of disdain towards them. Hans , Jenza, and Nova I have never had an issue with and I just recently played a few matches with Jenza. As for Kain, I have played matches with him and he seems a nice enough person, BUT he also comes across as a bit of a prick. Nothing personal, but it is the only one word reference I could come up with. The thing I think that has pushed to the community towards this GÇ£perceptionGÇ¥ of disdain towards the CPM is the fact that it appears to the community that a lot of the work done by the CPM appears to be in the shadows and away from the light of scrutiny. Not to say that the scrutiny given by a greater majority of this community is any where near critical. Quite frankly it is often littered with trolls, unsubstantiated conjecture, and the tears of those that feel that they are in some way being shat upon, purposefully. I have to agree with Kagehoshi in the observation that when things go bad humans tend to look for a place to displace their aggregation and displeasure instead of looking at themselves as the root of their failed expectations. This is not to say that I have not felt these same emotions. I have. But expectation only has one root: The person who holds it is the same one who created it. My critique for the CPM is this: DonGÇÖt sit in the shadows. There may be benefit to a bit more transparency to this community. This is with the understanding that they are bound by certain rules of secrecy by CCP and the fact that for some people there will never be enough transparency. It is a balancing game. I do think that they have a number of people that truly care about the trajectory of this game and its community, I just wish they would show it a bit more often.
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 467	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:20:00 - [45] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Well IWS is probably the best since he responds the most and Jena comes in second for pulling some slack but the rest need to be replaced. You are either the Best Troll EVER or the Village Idiot......I believe both
steadyhand amarr steadyhands independent mercenarys 1998	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:23:00 - [46] - Quote What kenzo said. Its the in the shadow stuff that is anoyying everyone how about some edvidance the cpms are correctly Acting as our voices "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Rahl Draak Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:27:00 - [47] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? Because CPM thinks they can actually sway CCP on a dead project that is going to get the axe in the next year. Oh....and CPM is comprised of try-hard casuals.
4447 Resolution XIII 901	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:29:00 - [48] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? Because CPM just, Just, Just GÇª it's easy just to hate Janza. Troll, For lifeGÇª But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8231	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:31:00 - [49] - Quote Rahl Draak wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? Because CPM thinks they can actually sway CCP on a dead project that is going to get the axe in the next year. Oh....and CPM is comprised of try-hard casuals. When CCP said they had a 10 year plan, I'm pretty sure they intended to take all 10 years ISK / Vids / Stream
Rahl Draak Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:33:00 - [50] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Rahl Draak wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? Because CPM thinks they can actually sway CCP on a dead project that is going to get the axe in the next year. Oh....and CPM is comprised of try-hard casuals. When CCP said they had a 10 year plan, I'm pretty sure they intended to take all 10 years "10 year plan" Awwwww, you're a cute kid.

CEOPyrex CloneA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 441	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:34:00 - [51] - Quote I wouldn't say its 'hate' that the CPM get, its more a general disrespect and quiz as to the point of them. What started as a marketing project by CCP to rescue an apparent biased game developer to the worlds gaming press has turned into a wonderful carrot and stick to create a group of players who act as 'inbetweens' for a community and developer base. My question would be whats the point of a CPM when so few people play and why should we create a multi leveled community where a tiny few are part of the 'in crowd' and the rest arnt. Imagine any large scale MMO doing this, it would cause an instant riot as everyone would be suspicious of those in power and the chosen few would likely be corrupt enough to sell their knowledge (as proven some CSMs ago) In Corporate Governance terms, this would not be tolerated in any company as the risk far outweighs the benefit. CCP Dolan must be working his socks off to keep persuading CCP its worth doing each year....... Anyway who cares, its Christmas soon and its just a game.
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 270	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:34:00 - [52] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Myself they have rarely represented the views of the playerbase instead pushing their own ideas and probably killing good ideas from ccp. There great people but they should not be cpms they were ment to setup a vote system thats not happened and a lot of people are resentfull for that. Gabe Vello wrote: I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion ^ I'll give ye two and others of a similar ilk this, ye make the rest of us with a few brain cells feel like a genius in comparison whenever we read any posts ye put up You've been asked to show some proof but we'll be waiting a long time for that Make sure to make those tinfoil hats extra thick. Takahiro Kashuken wrote: They had 1 job to do and they still havnt done it What job????? The duties that CCP gave the CPM are up to CCP as to how they want them to progress. Yes, the primary plan for this CPM was to help implement a plan for proper voting in of future CPMs. At what point did CCP say that that was all they were going to do and that they couldn't utilise them while they were there to help in other areas. So far, even with the constants placed on them by CCP, I've no issues with the CPM so far. Obviously, some of ye tinfoil hat wearing idiots out there think ye can do better, so here's hoping voting will be organised in the new year, so we can all be entertained by any posts ye put up to garner support. Do yourselves a favour though. Learn to back up accusations with proof! Rofol i have job and dont have all day to post on a game i currently hate playing. Get ur head out your ass. Spoke at length with kain where the whole irc channel disagreed with how he wanted to change PC he never really changed his tune. Iron wolf saber openly admits he hates track shooters in my cpm thread and is triping over himself with contradictions. Jenza pretty much ignored all of us to begin with on awox issues saying to was fine till she got caught out her self. Nova is never freaking around so i dont have a view on him but that means he not really doing a lot of collecting player views Hans has never really viewef on any topic but he does talk to communty and tries to play with us, so no issue with hans. Lunch break over back to work. To be clear your all nice people but u only ever change ur tune when u get caught out. No sure what it has to do with the thread, but seeing as you've brought it up, I've a job too, and I'm in college, and I've a girlfriend, and I'm very active in my college scuba club. On top of which I've time to play alot of Dust and post on here Tough luck if you can't do the same As to getting my head out of my ass.....really!!! Haha, that's one of ye lots usual priceless responses. Keep it up as it really shows your social ineptitude in dealing with any counter arguments to your own with anything other than playschool responses. Right, to the heart of your response. You seem to think that the CPM are suppose to not have their own view, just the communities. IdiotThey're there to pass on the community's views on topics and issues in the game for sure, but that doesn't mean they have to agree with those views. If CCP ask for the CPM's own personal views on the same topics, so what. If there is an issue after the above has happened then it is CCP's fault, not the CPM. That's probably gone well over your head though
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4282	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:35:00 - [53] - Quote Rahl Draak wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Rahl Draak wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? Because CPM thinks they can actually sway CCP on a dead project that is going to get the axe in the next year. Oh....and CPM is comprised of try-hard casuals. When CCP said they had a 10 year plan, I'm pretty sure they intended to take all 10 years "10 year plan" Awwwww, you're a cute kid. Look, anyone who knows me knows that I am pretty bitter towards CCP, and never hold back what I think about them. However, knowing CCP, they will push this game through the mud, even if it takes 10 years. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Rahl Draak Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:40:00 - [54] - Quote Any game that has these conversations is on life support.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8232	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:41:00 - [55] - Quote Rahl Draak wrote: Any game that has these conversations is on life support. Random nobody used Troll It wasn't very effective DUST Fiend used IDGAF It was super effective!! ISK / Vids / Stream
Rahl Draak Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:42:00 - [56] - Quote I have no idea what the post above me is.
Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:48:00 - [57] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: Cat Merc wrote: They had bigger concerns. They aren't going to work on exactly what you want. Why must you assume that those things are what I want fixed? That those things must be fixed right away? I was asked to provided examples and they weren't even on my list of things I wanted fixed. Thats what I have heard from others. Heres what I want fixed so that you can harp on it and atleast it will be my wants that your harping on. Racial and role bonus fix. amarr 3% reduction to laser weaponry heat build up per lvl caldari 5% bonus to shields per lvl Gallente armor repair bonus .5 hp per lvl Minmatar 5% Hacking speed per lvl Roles---------- assault 5% reduction to light weapon pg & cpu Logi 5% reduction to equipment pg & cpu Heavy 5% to heavy weapon reload speed Scout 5% reduction to scan profile Thats what I would like to see instead of the double role bonus that we have now. However I know this will never happen, many will troll it, some will outright disagree with it... but to me this seems balanced and fits with the way ships are in eve. I'd also like to get pirate faction suits like ships in eve where they use 2 factions that give 2 race bonus that can be bought with LP from running faction contracts. Again just my opinion See, the problem is you assume that your answer is correct. You can give CCP all the stats in the world, if in their playtest it isn't working right, they aren't going to do it. It's called the god complex, you should read about it. LOL All I can see is that you can't read. Where in there did I say that it was the correct way? You took my opinion and thoughts on what I would like to see happen because it's my opinion and my thoughts that it is a balanced way to place the bonuses. Why must I assume to be correct in anything? Why must you assume that I feel I must be correct in anything? This thread is all about opinions, some will be agree, disagree, think its crazy, stupid, or just blah but in the end those are all either "I agree or disagree etc.." based upon the opinions of the people that read these posts within the thread, so in no realistic way can anyone be truely correct about their opinions being posted to this thread. Sorry but if this was a situation where we looked at the same person sans left shoe and one of us said "they have both shoes on right now" (in regards to the person with only one shoe) then yes, one of us would be correct and the other would be wrong. However we're talking opinions in this thread so the context of correct or incorrect is wrong, it's either agree, disagree etc.. Should I assume you live in a country where people are not allowed to express their opinions and only state actual facts? If thats the case then maybe you shouldn't have created this thread, because there will be more opinions to follow and I wouldn't want you to get to upset over it.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4282	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:54:00 - [58] - Quote Gabe Vello wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: Cat Merc wrote: They had bigger concerns. They aren't going to work on exactly what you want. Why must you assume that those things are what I want fixed? That those things must be fixed right away? I was asked to provided examples and they weren't even on my list of things I wanted fixed. Thats what I have heard from others. Heres what I want fixed so that you can harp on it and atleast it will be my wants that your harping on. Racial and role bonus fix. amarr 3% reduction to laser weaponry heat build up per lvl caldari 5% bonus to shields per lvl Gallente armor repair bonus .5 hp per lvl Minmatar 5% Hacking speed per lvl Roles---------- assault 5% reduction to light weapon pg & cpu Logi 5% reduction to equipment pg & cpu Heavy 5% to heavy weapon reload speed Scout 5% reduction to scan profile Thats what I would like to see instead of the double role bonus that we have now. However I know this will never happen, many will troll it, some will outright disagree with it... but to me this seems balanced and fits with the way ships are in eve. I'd also like to get pirate faction suits like ships in eve where they use 2 factions that give 2 race bonus that can be bought with LP from running faction contracts. Again just my opinion See, the problem is you assume that your answer is correct. You can give CCP all the stats in the world, if in their playtest it isn't working right, they aren't going to do it. It's called the god complex, you should read about it. LOL All I can see is that you can't read. Where in there did I say that it was the correct way? You took my opinion and thoughts on what I would like to see happen because it's my opinion and my thoughts that it is a balanced way to place the bonuses. Why must I assume to be correct in anything? Why must you assume that I feel I must be correct in anything? This thread is all about opinions, some will be agree, disagree, think its crazy, stupid, or just blah but in the end those are all either "I agree or disagree etc.." based upon the opinions of the people that read these posts within the thread, so in no realistic way can anyone be truely correct about their opinions being posted to this thread. Sorry but if this was a situation where we looked at the same person sans left shoe and one of us said "they have both shoes on right now" (in regards to the person with only one shoe) then yes, one of us would be correct and the other would be wrong. However we're talking opinions in this thread so the context of correct or incorrect is wrong, it's either agree, disagree etc.. Should I assume you live in a country where people are not allowed to express their opinions and only state actual facts? If thats the case then maybe you shouldn't have created this thread, because there will be more opinions to follow and I wouldn't want you to get to upset over it. huh? You're talking absolute nonsense right now. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:00:00 - [59] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: huh? You're talking absolute nonsense right now. I guess I rest my case on your reading skills
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 95	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:03:00 - [60] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? I personally like both the concept of the CPM and the current CPM as well. I had the opportunity to meet many of them in person at the last EVE Fanfest. They are not there to give you instant gratification. CCP works on time-tables and schedules. If they were to come up with something that they wanted to put into the game today, it would have to be review, etc, and then if approved have to then figure out how and when. That could end up being several quarters (fiscal year quarters) from now on some roadmap of future expansions that you have no idea that they are working on because it's all under NDA. At most we can hope that the devs hear and listen to our concerns as voiced to them by the CPM. That is the primary purpose of the CPM. They also serve as a sort of "last sanity check" on new stuff that CCP is adding into the game. Because sometimes CCP devs can get lost in their own "group-think" of how they imagine something new will work in the game and then a CPM member will (hopefully) point out how players will react to it. Honestly I would hope that the CPM plays "anonymously" in the game so as to witness things first hand and I don't care if I never see them on the battlefield first hand. I would hope that they all pay attention to the forums, provide a a way for players to contact them specifically (kinda like this place: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=1334 ), and provide insight and feedback whenever possible. Being angry to them is stupid imo, because they are your voice and window into the development process in this game. You should instead be working with them to better understand this game and voice your legitimate concerns. "Hating" on them only shuts that avenue of communication for you and then where are you at? Raging on for no point? I would ask for one thing though. That's the idea of Council minutes like the CSM does for EVE online. Some kinda summary of what was reviewed and talked about (without breaching the NDA) so that the players get some kinda feedback and don't assume negative imaginary behind closed doors conspiracy stuff that actually doesn't happen. Other than than, keep up the good work.

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4283	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:05:00 - [61] - Quote Gabe Vello wrote: Cat Merc wrote: huh? You're talking absolute nonsense right now. I guess I rest my case on your reading skills But you see, I usually understand even the nonsense spewed on the forums daily. If I can't understand you, that means you explained yourself terribly. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:07:00 - [62] - Quote Disagree
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4283	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:09:00 - [63] - Quote Gabe Vello wrote: Disagree Ok then Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 271	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:14:00 - [64] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: ...but surely everyone knows that the CPM have the power to fire any CCP developer at will. That they have the authority to demand that CCP to buy them a ticket to Shanghai whenever they want so that they can walk into the office and tell the devs what they need to do. That the CPM is directly in control of both the development strategy and the short term plans. That CPM members are selected because they have special technical knowledge that allows them to get twice as much performance out of the PS3 and the Internet as anyone else. That CPM membership grants the ability to read an almost legible forum post and translate it automatically into the source code file name and line number that locates the specific bug being referenced. Everyone knows that, right? Lol. I only spotted this now. Brilliant
Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:16:00 - [65] - Quote Ok, time for me to disappear cat. It was a fun troll. Don't get me wrong my first post was real. I was laughing so hard I spotted with jenza's reply... how can one show proof when there is a NDA in the way? although I totaly get why you and cat get along since I have seen what you look like... total cat lady
BMSTUBBY 370	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:42:00 - [66] - Quote Because they where hand picked by CCP to work closely with CCP in establishing a voting system, working with teams regarding upcoming features, and generally serving a similar role to the EVE Online CSM. I am still waiting for them to just finish the first job they were supposed to do establishing a voting system, I want an elected CPM and not the monkeys on a string act that we currently have. Until then we get things like this from our CPM, Iron Wolf Saber wrote: http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust I mean seriously with xbone launch and ps4 launch and a host of games with them to boot and you guys turn around and give us our month's high? What is wrong with you doomsayers? I mean cmon we're beating some numbers back from june for crying out loud. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1527848#post1527848 Dusters - MMO WhenGäó ? CCP - MMO SoonGäó .
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1299	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:46:00 - [67] - Quote Rahl Draak wrote: Any game that has these conversations is on life support. Name another game with a CPM/CSM. I support SP rollover.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1299	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:51:00 - [68] - Quote BMSTUBBY wrote: Because they where hand picked by CCP to work closely with CCP in establishing a voting system, working with teams regarding upcoming features, and generally serving a similar role to the EVE Online CSM. I am still waiting for them to just finish the first job they were supposed to do establishing a voting system, I want an elected CPM and not the monkeys on a string act that we currently have. Until then we get things like this from our CPM, Iron Wolf Saber wrote: http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust I mean seriously with xbone launch and ps4 launch and a host of games with them to boot and you guys turn around and give us our month's high? What is wrong with you doomsayers? I mean cmon we're beating some numbers back from june for crying out loud. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1527848#post1527848 I really want to see a nomination/voting/election system too. But in all fairness the CPM has been pushing for this hard. We are currently waiting on CCP for the Charter, and until that is delivered nothing can happen. The ball is in CCP's court and has been for a long time. I support SP rollover.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 737	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:06:00 - [69] - Quote BMSTUBBY wrote: Because they where hand picked by CCP to work closely with CCP in establishing a voting system, working with teams regarding upcoming features, and generally serving a similar role to the EVE Online CSM. I am still waiting for them to just finish the first job they were supposed to do establishing a voting system, I want an elected CPM and not the monkeys on a string act that we currently have. This is the big problem. We didn't vote for them, so we don't feel responsible for their conduct in any way. That means if we don't like their conduct it is really easy to criticise it. Quote: Until then we get things like this from our CPM, Iron Wolf Saber wrote: http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust I mean seriously with xbone launch and ps4 launch and a host of games with them to boot and you guys turn around and give us our month's high? What is wrong with you doomsayers? I mean cmon we're beating some numbers back from june for crying out loud. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1527848#post1527848 I completely fail to see the problem with this. Its a light troll of what is widely regarded as a very negative community. If we voted in our CSM we'd still see this kind of thing, because it is funny. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Sentient Archon 1357	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:26:00 - [70] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this? One word;- game breaking AWOXING. Remember that Jenzy Baby? The only troll to successfully troll CCP.

jenza aranda BetaMax. 2329	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:25:00 - [71] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this? One word;- game breaking AWOXING. Remember that Jenzy Baby? please remind me in how that was exploiting CPM knowege only for myself. Also, sorry steadyhand amarr, but please stop talking out your arse. I have said hundreds on times now, that when i first awoxed I reported it to CCP saying that while it needed to still be possible in the game, but it was too easy in its form at the time. How many times do i have to explain this?! Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3205	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:30:00 - [72] - Quote Da CPM can mov heven n' erth. Fix dis game playas n' stop pushin yo' own shellfish agendos That made my head hurt
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1836	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:31:00 - [73] - Quote Kain and Hans are Cool, Jenza is meh, never played with IWS or Nova Knife but I've Killed Nova Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
Happy Violentime L0ST PR0FITS 147	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:31:00 - [74] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this? How about server control in PC matches?
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2329	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:33:00 - [75] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this? How about server control in PC matches? I can confirm i never did this. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3205	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:34:00 - [76] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Kain and Hans are Cool, Jenza is meh, never played with IWS or Nova Knife but I've Killed Nova I've been in multiple games with every single last one of them except for IWS . As much as I play this game it's actually common to run into some of these guys, however with IWS I have never seen him in combat and I only have heard his voice once. He might play on alts, idk.
Happy Violentime L0ST PR0FITS 147	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:34:00 - [77] - Quote At least 1 of them has been AFK from Dust for at least half of their tenure, only popping up again now that 'Fanfest' and a freebie in Iceland is in sight..
Happy Violentime L0ST PR0FITS 147	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:36:00 - [78] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this? How about server control in PC matches? I can confirm i never did this. So who on the CPM did?
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2329	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:37:00 - [79] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this? How about server control in PC matches? I can confirm i never did this. So who on the CPM did? to my knowledge, no one. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:41:00 - [80] - Quote They are not even CPMs. They are puppets that CCP put into place with the specific task of preparing an organized vote for that actual first CPM. Most of them are EVE players, not FPS players, and all of them are horrible at this game. They understand very little of the actual mechanics of the game and have no solid ideas about anything other than how to troll GD. Hans is cool though, but he is still horrible at the game.

jenza aranda BetaMax. 2330	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:55:00 - [81] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: They are not even CPMs. They are puppets that CCP put into place with the specific task of preparing an organized vote for that actual first CPM. Most of them are EVE players, not FPS players, and all of them are horrible at this game. They understand very little of the actual mechanics of the game and have no solid ideas about anything other than how to troll GD. Hans is cool though, but he is still horrible at the game. confirming we are all terribad and know nothing about the game and that we understand nothing and that all we do is sing praise of CCP /sarcasm seriously though, take off the tin foil hat. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:58:00 - [82] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: They are not even CPMs. They are puppets that CCP put into place with the specific task of preparing an organized vote for that actual first CPM. Most of them are EVE players, not FPS players, and all of them are horrible at this game. They understand very little of the actual mechanics of the game and have no solid ideas about anything other than how to troll GD. Hans is cool though, but he is still horrible at the game. confirming we are all terribad and know nothing about the game and that we understand nothing and that all we do is sing praise of CCP /sarcasm seriously though, take off the tin foil hat. If you are not singing the praise of CCP then you are pushing to have changes made strictly for advancing your own little group of friends. Jenza you suck, your corp sucks and there was maybe one idea that I have ever read from you that would actually make the game better. Just go back into hiding, DUST is better off without you.
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 555	Posted - 2013.12.03 23:02:00 - [83] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: I like the CPM. Especially jenza I mean I like jenza a lot. Really lot. You need to get out more.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 743	Posted - 2013.12.03 23:05:00 - [84] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: How about server control in PC matches? What is this? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5747	Posted - 2013.12.03 23:06:00 - [85] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: They are not even CPMs. They are puppets that CCP put into place with the specific task of preparing an organized vote for that actual first CPM. Most of them are EVE players, not FPS players, and all of them are horrible at this game. They understand very little of the actual mechanics of the game and have no solid ideas about anything other than how to troll GD. Hans is cool though, but he is still horrible at the game. confirming we are all terribad and know nothing about the game and that we understand nothing and that all we do is sing praise of CCP /sarcasm seriously though, take off the tin foil hat. If you are not singing the praise of CCP then you are pushing to have changes made strictly for advancing your own little group of friends. Jenza you suck, your corp sucks and there was maybe one idea that I have ever read from you that would actually make the game better. Just go back into hiding, DUST is better off without you. bashes head against keyboard in mindless tinfoil rage Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 1103	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:41:00 - [86] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: I NEVER see them ingame. NEVER. I'm always in channel "Drunk Night" whenever I'm logged in, though I've recently added the "LFSquad" channel back to my open list as well, since its an easy one for people to find. Anyways, join other channel, you can see when I'm online, and send me a squad invite! If you want an easier way - just send me a mail with your timezone or a night you'd like to play, and what channel I can find you in (or that you can find me in). Either way I'm pretty flexible and love squadding with new folks I haven't met before. With several thousand players on at any given time, the chances of you find us randomly are statistically slim - and your chances of seeing (or playing alongside) a CPM go up to 100% if you just poke one of us.
DiGreatDestroyer Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION 34	Posted - 2013.12.04 16:33:00 - [87] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: They are not even CPMs. They are puppets that CCP put into place with the specific task of preparing an organized vote for that actual first CPM. Most of them are EVE players, not FPS players, and all of them are horrible at this game. They understand very little of the actual mechanics of the game and have no solid ideas about anything other than how to troll GD. Hans is cool though, but he is still horrible at the game. confirming we are all terribad and know nothing about the game and that we understand nothing and that all we do is sing praise of CCP /sarcasm seriously though, take off the tin foil hat. I think you misunderstand the role of the CPM, Rowdy Even the CPM members do You guys have one goddamn job: See what the community wants, and make CCP know. Thats all. I could care less if you go 0/30 every game you play. People hate the CPM because they dont do what they are supposed to do. Instead they tease the community, refute the ideas they should be delivering, and spend most of their posts defending CCP
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 776	Posted - 2013.12.04 16:44:00 - [88] - Quote DiGreatDestroyer wrote: You guys have one goddamn job: See what the community wants, and make CCP know. Thats all. I could care less if you go 0/30 every game you play. People hate the CPM because they dont do what they are supposed to do. Instead they tease the community, refute the ideas they should be delivering, and spend most of their posts defending CCP They shouldn't be directly delivering ideas. There are far too many posted here and only a small proportion of them are good. Some ideas that appear to get a lot of support (the forums are still only a small slice of the player base) are not guaranteed to be effective. Also, the Devs can and do check the forums directly themselves. The CPM should do two things. First, they should read the community and find out what the community is dissatisfied with and figure out why. From there, they should inform CCP what the source of the dissatisfaction is and perhaps offer suggestions (their own and other well thought out and written ones). Their second purpose is to judge CCP's plans as an outsider and be a sanity check. Since these discussions occur behind close doors, there is no way quick and efficient way for the community to know how effective the CPM actually are. !
virgindestroyer7 Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 500	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:05:00 - [89] - Quote what the.. Where is this sense of entitlement coming from? "i'm a dust player, hear me QQ" hahahaha CPM members are all over the world, in different time zones. They also on top of having jobs and mates and life have random ass meetings with CCP at like 4 am to go through issues you guys talk to them about on the forums, in games, on twitter, in skype conversations. The thing is that some of these suggestions take TIME to develop. they take TIME to implement. then after CCP and them work through it, CCP has THEIR side of it to do. Have you EVER perused these forums? There are some REALLY great discussions and ideas and feedback, but alot of the time YOUR SPECIFIC idea might not get through because theres 424385435 respec or 3924893745 TANK OP or 4874533 NERF/BUFF this threads going on. The rate of change and updates this game has gone through is unreal. Man oh man this game is changing! It's working better. The answers I'm looking for are showing up and the ones I don't have I'm sure will come WITH THE CPM's help. Get off their back, yo. For real. Have you ever actually tried to see if they were playing? I mean, if you've got that much of a hard on to "see" them in game, message them. Tweet them. Whatever. I'm sure if you ask them to they would squad with you if you're online at the same time.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 722	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:07:00 - [90] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? they dont do nothing? Nemo me impune lacessit

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7625	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:08:00 - [91] - Quote I don't hate em....never did....kinda realised they inadvertently became CCP's scape goats and realised after that all of my frustrations were misplaced and erroneous. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Corbina Ninja Maphia Clan Corporation 647	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:17:00 - [92] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? envy! because they know the secret plans of CCP > *Test Signature Please Ignore*
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1342	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:34:00 - [93] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? When in 1.6 I pointed out that rail rifles had high damage, long range and extremely good CQC this looked like a return of the op tac ar. A CPM Iron Wolf Saber made fun of my points and did a basic STFU about the idea that rail rifles needed a rebalance BEFORE 1.7 deployment. CPM responses like that have folks basically saying KITTEN THIS!! and hey!! lets see whats comeing to the PS4. Read my sig. Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 145	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:40:00 - [94] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? When in 1.6 I pointed out that rail rifles had high damage, long range and extremely good CQC this looked like a return of the op tac ar. A CPM Iron Wolf Saber made fun of my points and did a basic STFU about the idea that rail rifles needed a rebalance BEFORE 1.7 deployment. CPM responses like that have folks basically saying KITTEN THIS!! and hey!! lets see whats comeing to the PS4. Read my sig. This right here is one of his negative traits and it turns many off. Best thing to do is ignore and continue to post while bringing other people that agree with your point to also post. He does see reason but he can be defensive and dismissive which are horrible traits for a representative. He does a great job disseminating info though and when made to see reason will champion the cause to CCP. "Shine bright like a diamond"
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 1323	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:42:00 - [95] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: What use are they? I used IWS for target practice. Who wants some?
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2566	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:03:00 - [96] - Quote Because they are ineffectual representatives that we never chose to represent us, thats the quick simple version I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 631	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:06:00 - [97] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? I hate cats. Therefore, I hate you. Stupid cat Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 631	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:09:00 - [98] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: They are not even CPMs. They are puppets that CCP put into place with the specific task of preparing an organized vote for that actual first CPM. Most of them are EVE players, not FPS players, and all of them are horrible at this game. They understand very little of the actual mechanics of the game and have no solid ideas about anything other than how to troll GD. Hans is cool though, but he is still horrible at the game. confirming we are all terribad and know nothing about the game and that we understand nothing and that all we do is sing praise of CCP /sarcasm seriously though, take off the tin foil hat. So says the PUPPET!! Tanks - Balancing Turrets


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