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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:17:00 -
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Why the hate towards the CPM?
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
71
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:33:00 -
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Because they're representative of the dust community, and we're generally massive jerks...
Also if you yell at them they sometimes respond, unlike CCP  |
Assert Dominance
0bamacare
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:36:00 -
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they dont support Obamacare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BROWqjuTM0g < 1.7 leak!
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
674
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:37:00 -
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I like the CPM.
Especially jenza
I mean I like jenza a lot.
Really lot.
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published 24/11/13
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steadyhand amarr
steadyhands independent mercenarys
1997
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:37:00 -
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Myself they have rarely represented the views of the playerbase instead pushing their own ideas and probably killing good ideas from ccp. There great people but they should not be cpms they were ment to setup a vote system thats not happened and a lot of people are resentfull for that.
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1061
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:37:00 -
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Everybody hates politicians.
"Just another piece of duct tape"
Drugs for mercs
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
692
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:37:00 -
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What use are they? |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
7285
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:38:00 -
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Because people look for those in power to place responsibility and blame on for their dissatisfaction with the game. They grossly overestimate the power the CPM actually hold, as well as they're actually responsible for.
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Rogue Saint
Science For Death
556
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:39:00 -
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Because some people don't like a select few having direct access to the devs and QQ when CPM are bound to silence due to NDA's.
GôêGÆ+GÆ+GƦ - Bringing the dakka
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
62
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:41:00 -
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If anyone should qualify for CPM it has to a regular player right???
a guy who knows how each role is played and how to counter enemy tactics
I have seen a couple of Dev's, never have I played against a CPM and I run America/Europe/Asia/Oceanic servers
so why do they get a voice when they arent the ones taking fire on the battlefield? |
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Morathi III
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:44:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:they dont support Obamacare.
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Gabe Vello
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:52:00 -
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I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion |
jenza aranda
BetaMax.
2316
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:53:00 -
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Gabe Vello wrote:I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion
I would love for you to give examples an proof of this?
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4274
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:54:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Myself they have rarely represented the views of the playerbase instead pushing their own ideas and probably killing good ideas from ccp. There great people but they should not be cpms they were ment to setup a vote system thats not happened and a lot of people are resentfull for that.
How do you know that they're pushing their own ideas? Did you actually talk to them? 
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4274
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:56:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:If anyone should qualify for CPM it has to a regular player right???
a guy who knows how each role is played and how to counter enemy tactics
I have seen a couple of Dev's, never have I played against a CPM and I run America/Europe/Asia/Oceanic servers
so why do they get a voice when they arent the ones taking fire on the battlefield?
huh?
I played with 3 of them.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Gabe Vello
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.12.03 12:21:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:Gabe Vello wrote:I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this?
The examples of proof are the deeds undone by the CPM, or I could go on that band wagon with the recent PC changes just happened shortly after EON called it quits on PC but thats all hearsay thats also kinda coincidental. Much like the "tank changes" and the super nerf on the swarm launchers... but thats more for the iron wolf saber hearsay that just happened to be coincidental as well. Those are my examples which again as in the above are my "opinion" since i have no access to CPM meetings or info or votes on what gets put out on the table. What are your examples and proof of changes that the CPM helped in regards to the player base? |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4276
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Posted - 2013.12.03 12:27:00 -
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Gabe Vello wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Gabe Vello wrote:I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this? The examples of proof are the deeds undone by the CPM, or I could go on that band wagon with the recent PC changes just happened shortly after EON called it quits on PC but thats all hearsay thats also kinda coincidental. Much like the "tank changes" and the super nerf on the swarm launchers... but thats more for the iron wolf saber hearsay that just happened to be coincidental as well. Those are my examples which again as in the above are my "opinion" since i have no access to CPM meetings or info or votes on what gets put out on the table. What are your examples and proof of changes that the CPM helped in regards to the player base?
Something tells me you overestimate how much power the CPM has.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Tech De Ra
Electronic Sports League
202
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Posted - 2013.12.03 12:29:00 -
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Gabe Vello wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Gabe Vello wrote:I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this? The examples of proof are the deeds undone by the CPM
Can you detail them instead of dancing around the question?
Tech De Ra // Electronic Sports League Games Co-ordinator
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Gabe Vello
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.12.03 12:42:00 -
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Not really, in no way am I under the illusions that the CPM wave the magic wand and get things done. However they are in a postition to address major player concerns to the devs repeatedly . Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying they should report every little thing left and right blah blah blah... there's many a troll in the forums and people that just voice their rage becasue of a bias opinion on weapons, suits, and equipment. Their job is to weed out the nonsense and focus on the balancing ideas that would improve the game for the players. Like the forge guns, I love em so much but I hated the easy splash kills you could get with it. Now that its been adjusted I'm very happy with it because if you're forge gunning infantry you have to earn those kills instead of just slpashing them to death. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
1831
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Posted - 2013.12.03 12:51:00 -
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They had 1 job to do and they still havnt done it
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Gabe Vello
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.12.03 12:53:00 -
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Tech De Ra wrote:Gabe Vello wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Gabe Vello wrote:I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this? The examples of proof are the deeds undone by the CPM Can you detail them instead of dancing around the question?
Slayer logis - lets face it, you can tank the crap out of them plus have many gagits all for the cost of your side arm.. unless your amarr
swarms they can kill tanks but are crap against drop ships. missles are way to slow but you can lock and fire fast which means your first hit gets an after burner turned on and the next 2 vollys never connect
proximity mines that don;t detonate on proximity but only if they get ran over
armor plates cause movement penalty on infantry but not tanks (so even though that tank has 7k armor it can run away faster than an lav, where as the infantry run slower, and walk slower).
Thats just a few |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4279
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Posted - 2013.12.03 12:56:00 -
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Gabe Vello wrote:Tech De Ra wrote:Gabe Vello wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Gabe Vello wrote:I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this? The examples of proof are the deeds undone by the CPM Can you detail them instead of dancing around the question? Slayer logis - lets face it, you can tank the crap out of them plus have many gagits all for the cost of your side arm.. unless your amarr
swarms they can kill tanks but are crap against drop ships. missles are way to slow but you can lock and fire fast which means your first hit gets an after burner turned on and the next 2 vollys never connect
proximity mines that don;t detonate on proximity but only if they get ran over
armor plates cause movement penalty on infantry but not tanks (so even though that tank has 7k armor it can run away faster than an lav, where as the infantry run slower, and walk slower).
Thats just a few
Slayer logis - They are working on a fix. As much as we would love for changes to pump out quickly, they can't do it instantly.
Swarms - Not sure what to say
Proximity mines - huh? They do their job
Armor plates - Tanks get an acceleration reduction.
Infantry have an extremely fast acceleration (if not instant) so I don't think it would work.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10980
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Posted - 2013.12.03 12:59:00 -
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Gabe Vello wrote:Tech De Ra wrote:Gabe Vello wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Gabe Vello wrote:I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this? The examples of proof are the deeds undone by the CPM Can you detail them instead of dancing around the question? Slayer logis - lets face it, you can tank the crap out of them plus have many gagits all for the cost of your side arm.. unless your amarr
swarms they can kill tanks but are crap against drop ships. missles are way to slow but you can lock and fire fast which means your first hit gets an after burner turned on and the next 2 vollys never connect
proximity mines that don;t detonate on proximity but only if they get ran over
armor plates cause movement penalty on infantry but not tanks (so even though that tank has 7k armor it can run away faster than an lav, where as the infantry run slower, and walk slower).
Thats just a few
... Do you even play?!?
BTW its pretty sad when I have to say this.
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Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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Gabe Vello
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.12.03 13:21:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Gabe Vello wrote:
Slayer logis - lets face it, you can tank the crap out of them plus have many gagits all for the cost of your side arm.. unless your amarr
swarms they can kill tanks but are crap against drop ships. missles are way to slow but you can lock and fire fast which means your first hit gets an after burner turned on and the next 2 vollys never connect
proximity mines that don;t detonate on proximity but only if they get ran over
armor plates cause movement penalty on infantry but not tanks (so even though that tank has 7k armor it can run away faster than an lav, where as the infantry run slower, and walk slower).
Thats just a few Slayer logis - They are working on a fix. As much as we would love for changes to pump out quickly, they can't do it instantly. Swarms - Not sure what to say Proximity mines - huh? They do their job Armor plates - Tanks get an acceleration reduction. Infantry have an extremely fast acceleration (if not instant) so I don't think it would work.
Proximity mines have to be scatterd all over a road to be effective and you really need to use max active for adv and proto to cover the road which makes it super easy to spot.
Armor plates ... ya that acceleration reduction is not enough because they still get to speed quite fast, the top speed should have a penalty as well. As I used the infantry as an example to show both walk and sprint speeds are effected.
As for slayer logis I know they are working on a fix.. it just took how many months before they even thought of it. Thats what I was pointing out not the speed in which they will fix it. |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4279
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Posted - 2013.12.03 13:26:00 -
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Gabe Vello wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Gabe Vello wrote:
Slayer logis - lets face it, you can tank the crap out of them plus have many gagits all for the cost of your side arm.. unless your amarr
swarms they can kill tanks but are crap against drop ships. missles are way to slow but you can lock and fire fast which means your first hit gets an after burner turned on and the next 2 vollys never connect
proximity mines that don;t detonate on proximity but only if they get ran over
armor plates cause movement penalty on infantry but not tanks (so even though that tank has 7k armor it can run away faster than an lav, where as the infantry run slower, and walk slower).
Thats just a few Slayer logis - They are working on a fix. As much as we would love for changes to pump out quickly, they can't do it instantly. Swarms - Not sure what to say Proximity mines - huh? They do their job Armor plates - Tanks get an acceleration reduction. Infantry have an extremely fast acceleration (if not instant) so I don't think it would work. Proximity mines have to be scatterd all over a road to be effective and you really need to use max active for adv and proto to cover the road which makes it super easy to spot. Armor plates ... ya that acceleration reduction is not enough because they still get to speed quite fast, the top speed should have a penalty as well. As I used the infantry as an example to show both walk and sprint speeds are effected. As for slayer logis I know they are working on a fix.. it just took how many months before they even thought of it. Thats what I was pointing out not the speed in which they will fix it.
They had bigger concerns.
They aren't going to work on exactly what you want.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Gabe Vello
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.12.03 13:31:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
... Do you even play?!?
BTW its pretty sad when I have to say this.
Really? do you even play as infantry? or just sit in your tank all day hiding when the AV gear comes out. Although I do find it sad that you comment on this when it mainly details issues with AV and armor tanks while every time I ever saw you in a match you were running around in an armor tank... don't get me wrong, I haven't seen you in a match for while so maybe you have been running on foot instead of on treds or maybe you took to flight? only you know. |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
1168
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Posted - 2013.12.03 13:34:00 -
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Well IWS is probably the best since he responds the most and Jena comes in second for pulling some slack but the rest need to be replaced.
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
269
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Posted - 2013.12.03 13:41:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Myself they have rarely represented the views of the playerbase instead pushing their own ideas and probably killing good ideas from ccp. There great people but they should not be cpms they were ment to setup a vote system thats not happened and a lot of people are resentfull for that.
Gabe Vello wrote:I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion
^ I'll give ye two and others of a similar ilk this, ye make the rest of us with a few brain cells feel like a genius in comparison whenever we read any posts ye put up You've been asked to show some proof but we'll be waiting a long time for that Make sure to make those tinfoil hats extra thick.
Takahiro Kashuken wrote:They had 1 job to do and they still havnt done it
What job????? The duties that CCP gave the CPM are up to CCP as to how they want them to progress. Yes, the primary plan for this CPM was to help implement a plan for proper voting in of future CPMs. At what point did CCP say that that was all they were going to do and that they couldn't utilise them while they were there to help in other areas.
So far, even with the constants placed on them by CCP, I've no issues with the CPM so far. Obviously, some of ye tinfoil hat wearing idiots out there think ye can do better, so here's hoping voting will be organised in the new year, so we can all be entertained by any posts ye put up to garner support. Do yourselves a favour though. Learn to back up accusations with proof! |
Sgt Buttscratch
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1076
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Posted - 2013.12.03 13:51:00 -
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I NEVER see them ingame. NEVER.
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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steadyhand amarr
steadyhands independent mercenarys
1997
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Posted - 2013.12.03 14:05:00 -
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Oxskull Duncarino wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:Myself they have rarely represented the views of the playerbase instead pushing their own ideas and probably killing good ideas from ccp. There great people but they should not be cpms they were ment to setup a vote system thats not happened and a lot of people are resentfull for that. Gabe Vello wrote:I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion ^ I'll give ye two and others of a similar ilk this, ye make the rest of us with a few brain cells feel like a genius in comparison whenever we read any posts ye put up You've been asked to show some proof but we'll be waiting a long time for that Make sure to make those tinfoil hats extra thick. Takahiro Kashuken wrote:They had 1 job to do and they still havnt done it
What job????? The duties that CCP gave the CPM are up to CCP as to how they want them to progress. Yes, the primary plan for this CPM was to help implement a plan for proper voting in of future CPMs. At what point did CCP say that that was all they were going to do and that they couldn't utilise them while they were there to help in other areas. So far, even with the constants placed on them by CCP, I've no issues with the CPM so far. Obviously, some of ye tinfoil hat wearing idiots out there think ye can do better, so here's hoping voting will be organised in the new year, so we can all be entertained by any posts ye put up to garner support. Do yourselves a favour though. Learn to back up accusations with proof!
Rofol i have job and dont have all day to post on a game i currently hate playing. Get ur head out your ass.
Spoke at length with kain where the whole irc channel disagreed with how he wanted to change PC he never really changed his tune.
Iron wolf saber openly admits he hates track shooters in my cpm thread and is triping over himself with contradictions.
Jenza pretty much ignored all of us to begin with on awox issues saying to was fine till she got caught out her self.
Nova is never freaking around so i dont have a view on him but that means he not really doing a lot of collecting player views
Hans has never really viewef on any topic but he does talk to communty and tries to play with us, so no issue with hans.
Lunch break over back to work. To be clear your all nice people but u only ever change ur tune when u get caught out.
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
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GOGO power rangers
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