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Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:18:00 - [31] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: They had bigger concerns. They aren't going to work on exactly what you want. Why must you assume that those things are what I want fixed? That those things must be fixed right away? I was asked to provided examples and they weren't even on my list of things I wanted fixed. Thats what I have heard from others. Heres what I want fixed so that you can harp on it and atleast it will be my wants that your harping on. Racial and role bonus fix. amarr 3% reduction to laser weaponry heat build up per lvl caldari 5% bonus to shields per lvl Gallente armor repair bonus .5 hp per lvl Minmatar 5% Hacking speed per lvl Roles---------- assault 5% reduction to light weapon pg & cpu Logi 5% reduction to equipment pg & cpu Heavy 5% to heavy weapon reload speed Scout 5% reduction to scan profile Thats what I would like to see instead of the double role bonus that we have now. However I know this will never happen, many will troll it, some will outright disagree with it... but to me this seems balanced and fits with the way ships are in eve. I'd also like to get pirate faction suits like ships in eve where they use 2 factions that give 2 race bonus that can be bought with LP from running faction contracts. Again just my opinion
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3959	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:37:00 - [32] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Myself they have rarely represented the views of the playerbase instead pushing their own ideas and probably killing good ideas from ccp. There great people but they should not be cpms they were ment to setup a vote system thats not happened and a lot of people are resentfull for that. Wait, someone saying that the CPM is killing CCP's good ideas? Implying CCP has any good ideas and aren't just a bunch of talentless hacks? WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THESE FORUMS?! Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1297	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:45:00 - [33] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? Because people, especially internet forum-dwellers, have great difficulties in realizing the world doesn't revolve around their personal views and ill-informed opinions. Because insecurity and inexperience coupled with anonymity are a vitriolic mix. Anybody capable of removing their ego from the discussion and assessing the development of this game and the CPM rationally will reach the conclusion that CPM0 have gone above and beyond, and we very probably owe more to them than we know. IMO. I support SP rollover.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 735	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:47:00 - [34] - Quote ...but surely everyone knows that the CPM have the power to fire any CCP developer at will. That they have the authority to demand that CCP to buy them a ticket to Shanghai whenever they want so that they can walk into the office and tell the devs what they need to do. That the CPM is directly in control of both the development strategy and the short term plans. That CPM members are selected because they have special technical knowledge that allows them to get twice as much performance out of the PS3 and the Internet as anyone else. That CPM membership grants the ability to read an almost legible forum post and translate it automatically into the source code file name and line number that locates the specific bug being referenced. Everyone knows that, right? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Pr0phetzReck0ning Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:53:00 - [35] - Quote I personally would like to see a CPM that actually play this game quite actively. Is it just me or do they rarely ever play this game? About 3 weeks ago I saw Jenza in 3 of my pub matches and my eyes lit up because It was the first time in quite a long time since I'd seen her on and playing. I think I've only ever seen one other CPM member actively on and playing. and how many CPMs are there again?? And before I get any backfire (I will anyway) I'd like to say that I'm sure that they are doing their job. But it's what I personally would be comfortable with. seeing and knowing that the people that represent the rest of us are actually fighting alongside us/ against us on a regular basis.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 891	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:56:00 - [36] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? Good question. Plain and simple envy? Feeling the scanner is too simple and off balance? The fix:
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8222	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:56:00 - [37] - Quote People just like to spew hate, and the CPM is basically the closest establishment for them to vomit all over. Most of the complaints are imaginary at best, people getting worked up over thoughts of grandeur, not once taking reality into account. TL:DR; people are stupid ISK / Vids / Stream
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8222	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:58:00 - [38] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Well IWS is probably the best since he responds the most and Jena comes in second for pulling some slack but the rest need to be replaced. Well this is foolish, considering you don't even mention Hans, basically the best thing to have happened to the CPM ISK / Vids / Stream
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1297	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:00:00 - [39] - Quote Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote: I personally would like to see a CPM that actually play this game quite actively. Is it just me or do they rarely ever play this game? About 3 weeks ago I saw Jenza in 3 of my pub matches and my eyes lit up because It was the first time in quite a long time since I'd seen her on and playing. I think I've only ever seen one other CPM member actively on and playing. and how many CPMs are there again?? And before I get any backfire (I will anyway) I'd like to say that I'm sure that they are doing their job. But it's what I personally would be comfortable with. seeing and knowing that the people that represent the rest of us are actually fighting alongside us/ against us on a regular basis. If i was CPM, i'd spend all my time playing anonymously to make sure i was getting the same DUST experience that the average anonymous player gets. I'd be disturbed if the CPM members weren't playing anonymously. I support SP rollover.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8225	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:01:00 - [40] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote: I personally would like to see a CPM that actually play this game quite actively. Is it just me or do they rarely ever play this game? About 3 weeks ago I saw Jenza in 3 of my pub matches and my eyes lit up because It was the first time in quite a long time since I'd seen her on and playing. I think I've only ever seen one other CPM member actively on and playing. and how many CPMs are there again?? And before I get any backfire (I will anyway) I'd like to say that I'm sure that they are doing their job. But it's what I personally would be comfortable with. seeing and knowing that the people that represent the rest of us are actually fighting alongside us/ against us on a regular basis. If i was CPM, i'd spend all my time playing anonymously to make sure i was getting the same DUST experience that the average anonymous player gets. I'd be disturbed if the CPM members weren't playing anonymously. It kind of defeats the purpose of being a Community Rep if you go around hiding the fact that you're a Community Rep... ISK / Vids / Stream

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4281	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:02:00 - [41] - Quote Gabe Vello wrote: Cat Merc wrote: They had bigger concerns. They aren't going to work on exactly what you want. Why must you assume that those things are what I want fixed? That those things must be fixed right away? I was asked to provided examples and they weren't even on my list of things I wanted fixed. Thats what I have heard from others. Heres what I want fixed so that you can harp on it and atleast it will be my wants that your harping on. Racial and role bonus fix. amarr 3% reduction to laser weaponry heat build up per lvl caldari 5% bonus to shields per lvl Gallente armor repair bonus .5 hp per lvl Minmatar 5% Hacking speed per lvl Roles---------- assault 5% reduction to light weapon pg & cpu Logi 5% reduction to equipment pg & cpu Heavy 5% to heavy weapon reload speed Scout 5% reduction to scan profile Thats what I would like to see instead of the double role bonus that we have now. However I know this will never happen, many will troll it, some will outright disagree with it... but to me this seems balanced and fits with the way ships are in eve. I'd also like to get pirate faction suits like ships in eve where they use 2 factions that give 2 race bonus that can be bought with LP from running faction contracts. Again just my opinion See, the problem is you assume that your answer is correct. You can give CCP all the stats in the world, if in their playtest it isn't working right, they aren't going to do it. It's called the god complex, you should read about it. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
danthrax martin Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:10:00 - [42] - Quote ...wow... First to die, and i dont cry, even after the thale sends my brain spray to the sky, before the orbital makes me pie!
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1297	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:11:00 - [43] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote: I personally would like to see a CPM that actually play this game quite actively. Is it just me or do they rarely ever play this game? About 3 weeks ago I saw Jenza in 3 of my pub matches and my eyes lit up because It was the first time in quite a long time since I'd seen her on and playing. I think I've only ever seen one other CPM member actively on and playing. and how many CPMs are there again?? And before I get any backfire (I will anyway) I'd like to say that I'm sure that they are doing their job. But it's what I personally would be comfortable with. seeing and knowing that the people that represent the rest of us are actually fighting alongside us/ against us on a regular basis. If i was CPM, i'd spend all my time playing anonymously to make sure i was getting the same DUST experience that the average anonymous player gets. I'd be disturbed if the CPM members weren't playing anonymously. It kind of defeats the purpose of being a Community Rep if you go around hiding the fact that you're a Community Rep... Being recognized in-match grossly distorts the game experience. How can a player form an accurate impression of the the state of the game if they know their game experience is atypical? As far as being a community rep, i'd say a primary criteria is to be accessible to players through various comms channels - CPM0 have posted contact information ad nauseum(not complaining, it's hard to get the message out there), sure they could tour matches on their main but that's strictly a secondary measure imo. I know i can reach them any time i need to - that's good enough for me. I support SP rollover.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 342	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:17:00 - [44] - Quote I donGÇÖt have a dislike for the CPM, though at time with their trolling comments (i.e., IWS, and the Frenchie) are not needed and just goes to fuel disdain, or a projection of disdain towards them. Hans , Jenza, and Nova I have never had an issue with and I just recently played a few matches with Jenza. As for Kain, I have played matches with him and he seems a nice enough person, BUT he also comes across as a bit of a prick. Nothing personal, but it is the only one word reference I could come up with. The thing I think that has pushed to the community towards this GÇ£perceptionGÇ¥ of disdain towards the CPM is the fact that it appears to the community that a lot of the work done by the CPM appears to be in the shadows and away from the light of scrutiny. Not to say that the scrutiny given by a greater majority of this community is any where near critical. Quite frankly it is often littered with trolls, unsubstantiated conjecture, and the tears of those that feel that they are in some way being shat upon, purposefully. I have to agree with Kagehoshi in the observation that when things go bad humans tend to look for a place to displace their aggregation and displeasure instead of looking at themselves as the root of their failed expectations. This is not to say that I have not felt these same emotions. I have. But expectation only has one root: The person who holds it is the same one who created it. My critique for the CPM is this: DonGÇÖt sit in the shadows. There may be benefit to a bit more transparency to this community. This is with the understanding that they are bound by certain rules of secrecy by CCP and the fact that for some people there will never be enough transparency. It is a balancing game. I do think that they have a number of people that truly care about the trajectory of this game and its community, I just wish they would show it a bit more often.
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 467	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:20:00 - [45] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Well IWS is probably the best since he responds the most and Jena comes in second for pulling some slack but the rest need to be replaced. You are either the Best Troll EVER or the Village Idiot......I believe both
steadyhand amarr steadyhands independent mercenarys 1998	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:23:00 - [46] - Quote What kenzo said. Its the in the shadow stuff that is anoyying everyone how about some edvidance the cpms are correctly Acting as our voices "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Rahl Draak Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:27:00 - [47] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? Because CPM thinks they can actually sway CCP on a dead project that is going to get the axe in the next year. Oh....and CPM is comprised of try-hard casuals.
4447 Resolution XIII 901	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:29:00 - [48] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? Because CPM just, Just, Just GÇª it's easy just to hate Janza. Troll, For lifeGÇª But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8231	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:31:00 - [49] - Quote Rahl Draak wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? Because CPM thinks they can actually sway CCP on a dead project that is going to get the axe in the next year. Oh....and CPM is comprised of try-hard casuals. When CCP said they had a 10 year plan, I'm pretty sure they intended to take all 10 years ISK / Vids / Stream
Rahl Draak Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:33:00 - [50] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Rahl Draak wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? Because CPM thinks they can actually sway CCP on a dead project that is going to get the axe in the next year. Oh....and CPM is comprised of try-hard casuals. When CCP said they had a 10 year plan, I'm pretty sure they intended to take all 10 years "10 year plan" Awwwww, you're a cute kid.

CEOPyrex CloneA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 441	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:34:00 - [51] - Quote I wouldn't say its 'hate' that the CPM get, its more a general disrespect and quiz as to the point of them. What started as a marketing project by CCP to rescue an apparent biased game developer to the worlds gaming press has turned into a wonderful carrot and stick to create a group of players who act as 'inbetweens' for a community and developer base. My question would be whats the point of a CPM when so few people play and why should we create a multi leveled community where a tiny few are part of the 'in crowd' and the rest arnt. Imagine any large scale MMO doing this, it would cause an instant riot as everyone would be suspicious of those in power and the chosen few would likely be corrupt enough to sell their knowledge (as proven some CSMs ago) In Corporate Governance terms, this would not be tolerated in any company as the risk far outweighs the benefit. CCP Dolan must be working his socks off to keep persuading CCP its worth doing each year....... Anyway who cares, its Christmas soon and its just a game.
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 270	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:34:00 - [52] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Myself they have rarely represented the views of the playerbase instead pushing their own ideas and probably killing good ideas from ccp. There great people but they should not be cpms they were ment to setup a vote system thats not happened and a lot of people are resentfull for that. Gabe Vello wrote: I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion ^ I'll give ye two and others of a similar ilk this, ye make the rest of us with a few brain cells feel like a genius in comparison whenever we read any posts ye put up You've been asked to show some proof but we'll be waiting a long time for that Make sure to make those tinfoil hats extra thick. Takahiro Kashuken wrote: They had 1 job to do and they still havnt done it What job????? The duties that CCP gave the CPM are up to CCP as to how they want them to progress. Yes, the primary plan for this CPM was to help implement a plan for proper voting in of future CPMs. At what point did CCP say that that was all they were going to do and that they couldn't utilise them while they were there to help in other areas. So far, even with the constants placed on them by CCP, I've no issues with the CPM so far. Obviously, some of ye tinfoil hat wearing idiots out there think ye can do better, so here's hoping voting will be organised in the new year, so we can all be entertained by any posts ye put up to garner support. Do yourselves a favour though. Learn to back up accusations with proof! Rofol i have job and dont have all day to post on a game i currently hate playing. Get ur head out your ass. Spoke at length with kain where the whole irc channel disagreed with how he wanted to change PC he never really changed his tune. Iron wolf saber openly admits he hates track shooters in my cpm thread and is triping over himself with contradictions. Jenza pretty much ignored all of us to begin with on awox issues saying to was fine till she got caught out her self. Nova is never freaking around so i dont have a view on him but that means he not really doing a lot of collecting player views Hans has never really viewef on any topic but he does talk to communty and tries to play with us, so no issue with hans. Lunch break over back to work. To be clear your all nice people but u only ever change ur tune when u get caught out. No sure what it has to do with the thread, but seeing as you've brought it up, I've a job too, and I'm in college, and I've a girlfriend, and I'm very active in my college scuba club. On top of which I've time to play alot of Dust and post on here Tough luck if you can't do the same As to getting my head out of my ass.....really!!! Haha, that's one of ye lots usual priceless responses. Keep it up as it really shows your social ineptitude in dealing with any counter arguments to your own with anything other than playschool responses. Right, to the heart of your response. You seem to think that the CPM are suppose to not have their own view, just the communities. IdiotThey're there to pass on the community's views on topics and issues in the game for sure, but that doesn't mean they have to agree with those views. If CCP ask for the CPM's own personal views on the same topics, so what. If there is an issue after the above has happened then it is CCP's fault, not the CPM. That's probably gone well over your head though
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4282	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:35:00 - [53] - Quote Rahl Draak wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Rahl Draak wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? Because CPM thinks they can actually sway CCP on a dead project that is going to get the axe in the next year. Oh....and CPM is comprised of try-hard casuals. When CCP said they had a 10 year plan, I'm pretty sure they intended to take all 10 years "10 year plan" Awwwww, you're a cute kid. Look, anyone who knows me knows that I am pretty bitter towards CCP, and never hold back what I think about them. However, knowing CCP, they will push this game through the mud, even if it takes 10 years. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Rahl Draak Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:40:00 - [54] - Quote Any game that has these conversations is on life support.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8232	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:41:00 - [55] - Quote Rahl Draak wrote: Any game that has these conversations is on life support. Random nobody used Troll It wasn't very effective DUST Fiend used IDGAF It was super effective!! ISK / Vids / Stream
Rahl Draak Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:42:00 - [56] - Quote I have no idea what the post above me is.
Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:48:00 - [57] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: Cat Merc wrote: They had bigger concerns. They aren't going to work on exactly what you want. Why must you assume that those things are what I want fixed? That those things must be fixed right away? I was asked to provided examples and they weren't even on my list of things I wanted fixed. Thats what I have heard from others. Heres what I want fixed so that you can harp on it and atleast it will be my wants that your harping on. Racial and role bonus fix. amarr 3% reduction to laser weaponry heat build up per lvl caldari 5% bonus to shields per lvl Gallente armor repair bonus .5 hp per lvl Minmatar 5% Hacking speed per lvl Roles---------- assault 5% reduction to light weapon pg & cpu Logi 5% reduction to equipment pg & cpu Heavy 5% to heavy weapon reload speed Scout 5% reduction to scan profile Thats what I would like to see instead of the double role bonus that we have now. However I know this will never happen, many will troll it, some will outright disagree with it... but to me this seems balanced and fits with the way ships are in eve. I'd also like to get pirate faction suits like ships in eve where they use 2 factions that give 2 race bonus that can be bought with LP from running faction contracts. Again just my opinion See, the problem is you assume that your answer is correct. You can give CCP all the stats in the world, if in their playtest it isn't working right, they aren't going to do it. It's called the god complex, you should read about it. LOL All I can see is that you can't read. Where in there did I say that it was the correct way? You took my opinion and thoughts on what I would like to see happen because it's my opinion and my thoughts that it is a balanced way to place the bonuses. Why must I assume to be correct in anything? Why must you assume that I feel I must be correct in anything? This thread is all about opinions, some will be agree, disagree, think its crazy, stupid, or just blah but in the end those are all either "I agree or disagree etc.." based upon the opinions of the people that read these posts within the thread, so in no realistic way can anyone be truely correct about their opinions being posted to this thread. Sorry but if this was a situation where we looked at the same person sans left shoe and one of us said "they have both shoes on right now" (in regards to the person with only one shoe) then yes, one of us would be correct and the other would be wrong. However we're talking opinions in this thread so the context of correct or incorrect is wrong, it's either agree, disagree etc.. Should I assume you live in a country where people are not allowed to express their opinions and only state actual facts? If thats the case then maybe you shouldn't have created this thread, because there will be more opinions to follow and I wouldn't want you to get to upset over it.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4282	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:54:00 - [58] - Quote Gabe Vello wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: Cat Merc wrote: They had bigger concerns. They aren't going to work on exactly what you want. Why must you assume that those things are what I want fixed? That those things must be fixed right away? I was asked to provided examples and they weren't even on my list of things I wanted fixed. Thats what I have heard from others. Heres what I want fixed so that you can harp on it and atleast it will be my wants that your harping on. Racial and role bonus fix. amarr 3% reduction to laser weaponry heat build up per lvl caldari 5% bonus to shields per lvl Gallente armor repair bonus .5 hp per lvl Minmatar 5% Hacking speed per lvl Roles---------- assault 5% reduction to light weapon pg & cpu Logi 5% reduction to equipment pg & cpu Heavy 5% to heavy weapon reload speed Scout 5% reduction to scan profile Thats what I would like to see instead of the double role bonus that we have now. However I know this will never happen, many will troll it, some will outright disagree with it... but to me this seems balanced and fits with the way ships are in eve. I'd also like to get pirate faction suits like ships in eve where they use 2 factions that give 2 race bonus that can be bought with LP from running faction contracts. Again just my opinion See, the problem is you assume that your answer is correct. You can give CCP all the stats in the world, if in their playtest it isn't working right, they aren't going to do it. It's called the god complex, you should read about it. LOL All I can see is that you can't read. Where in there did I say that it was the correct way? You took my opinion and thoughts on what I would like to see happen because it's my opinion and my thoughts that it is a balanced way to place the bonuses. Why must I assume to be correct in anything? Why must you assume that I feel I must be correct in anything? This thread is all about opinions, some will be agree, disagree, think its crazy, stupid, or just blah but in the end those are all either "I agree or disagree etc.." based upon the opinions of the people that read these posts within the thread, so in no realistic way can anyone be truely correct about their opinions being posted to this thread. Sorry but if this was a situation where we looked at the same person sans left shoe and one of us said "they have both shoes on right now" (in regards to the person with only one shoe) then yes, one of us would be correct and the other would be wrong. However we're talking opinions in this thread so the context of correct or incorrect is wrong, it's either agree, disagree etc.. Should I assume you live in a country where people are not allowed to express their opinions and only state actual facts? If thats the case then maybe you shouldn't have created this thread, because there will be more opinions to follow and I wouldn't want you to get to upset over it. huh? You're talking absolute nonsense right now. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:00:00 - [59] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: huh? You're talking absolute nonsense right now. I guess I rest my case on your reading skills
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 95	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:03:00 - [60] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Why the hate towards the CPM? I personally like both the concept of the CPM and the current CPM as well. I had the opportunity to meet many of them in person at the last EVE Fanfest. They are not there to give you instant gratification. CCP works on time-tables and schedules. If they were to come up with something that they wanted to put into the game today, it would have to be review, etc, and then if approved have to then figure out how and when. That could end up being several quarters (fiscal year quarters) from now on some roadmap of future expansions that you have no idea that they are working on because it's all under NDA. At most we can hope that the devs hear and listen to our concerns as voiced to them by the CPM. That is the primary purpose of the CPM. They also serve as a sort of "last sanity check" on new stuff that CCP is adding into the game. Because sometimes CCP devs can get lost in their own "group-think" of how they imagine something new will work in the game and then a CPM member will (hopefully) point out how players will react to it. Honestly I would hope that the CPM plays "anonymously" in the game so as to witness things first hand and I don't care if I never see them on the battlefield first hand. I would hope that they all pay attention to the forums, provide a a way for players to contact them specifically (kinda like this place: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=1334 ), and provide insight and feedback whenever possible. Being angry to them is stupid imo, because they are your voice and window into the development process in this game. You should instead be working with them to better understand this game and voice your legitimate concerns. "Hating" on them only shuts that avenue of communication for you and then where are you at? Raging on for no point? I would ask for one thing though. That's the idea of Council minutes like the CSM does for EVE online. Some kinda summary of what was reviewed and talked about (without breaching the NDA) so that the players get some kinda feedback and don't assume negative imaginary behind closed doors conspiracy stuff that actually doesn't happen. Other than than, keep up the good work.



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