DUST Search - Why the hate towards the CPM?

Cat Merc wrote:

Gabe Vello wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

They had bigger concerns.
They aren't going to work on exactly what you want.

Why must you assume that those things are what I want fixed? That those things must be fixed right away?
I was asked to provided examples and they weren't even on my list of things I wanted fixed. Thats what I have heard from others. Heres what I want fixed so that you can harp on it and atleast it will be my wants that your harping on.

Racial and role bonus fix.
amarr
3% reduction to laser weaponry heat build up per lvl

caldari
5% bonus to shields per lvl

Gallente
armor repair bonus .5 hp per lvl

Minmatar
5% Hacking speed per lvl

Roles----------

assault
5% reduction to light weapon pg & cpu

Logi
5% reduction to equipment pg & cpu

Heavy
5% to heavy weapon reload speed

Scout
5% reduction to scan profile

Thats what I would like to see instead of the double role bonus that we have now. However I know this will never happen, many will troll it, some will outright disagree with it... but to me this seems balanced and fits with the way ships are in eve.
I'd also like to get pirate faction suits like ships in eve where they use 2 factions that give 2 race bonus that can be bought with LP from running faction contracts. Again just my opinion

See, the problem is you assume that your answer is correct.
You can give CCP all the stats in the world, if in their playtest it isn't working right, they aren't going to do it.

It's called the god complex, you should read about it.


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Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.12.03 11:52:00 - [1] - Quote I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion
Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.12.03 12:21:00 - [2] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this? The examples of proof are the deeds undone by the CPM, or I could go on that band wagon with the recent PC changes just happened shortly after EON called it quits on PC but thats all hearsay thats also kinda coincidental. Much like the "tank changes" and the super nerf on the swarm launchers... but thats more for the iron wolf saber hearsay that just happened to be coincidental as well. Those are my examples which again as in the above are my "opinion" since i have no access to CPM meetings or info or votes on what gets put out on the table. What are your examples and proof of changes that the CPM helped in regards to the player base?
Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.12.03 12:42:00 - [3] - Quote Not really, in no way am I under the illusions that the CPM wave the magic wand and get things done. However they are in a postition to address major player concerns to the devs repeatedly . Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying they should report every little thing left and right blah blah blah... there's many a troll in the forums and people that just voice their rage becasue of a bias opinion on weapons, suits, and equipment. Their job is to weed out the nonsense and focus on the balancing ideas that would improve the game for the players. Like the forge guns, I love em so much but I hated the easy splash kills you could get with it. Now that its been adjusted I'm very happy with it because if you're forge gunning infantry you have to earn those kills instead of just slpashing them to death.
Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.12.03 12:53:00 - [4] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: I'm not happy with the CPMs because they voice their own concerns of the game over the main concerns from the player base. Its that simple. The current people in the CPM all have a bias in some way, shape, or form in regards to their needs for the game, this leaves the player base to (quoting a friend) " get poop'd on" because the player base concerns are second shelf to the CPMs top shelf issues. Just my opinion I would love for you to give examples an proof of this? The examples of proof are the deeds undone by the CPM Can you detail them instead of dancing around the question? Slayer logis - lets face it, you can tank the crap out of them plus have many gagits all for the cost of your side arm.. unless your amarr swarms they can kill tanks but are crap against drop ships. missles are way to slow but you can lock and fire fast which means your first hit gets an after burner turned on and the next 2 vollys never connect proximity mines that don;t detonate on proximity but only if they get ran over armor plates cause movement penalty on infantry but not tanks (so even though that tank has 7k armor it can run away faster than an lav, where as the infantry run slower, and walk slower). Thats just a few
Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.12.03 13:21:00 - [5] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: Slayer logis - lets face it, you can tank the crap out of them plus have many gagits all for the cost of your side arm.. unless your amarr swarms they can kill tanks but are crap against drop ships. missles are way to slow but you can lock and fire fast which means your first hit gets an after burner turned on and the next 2 vollys never connect proximity mines that don;t detonate on proximity but only if they get ran over armor plates cause movement penalty on infantry but not tanks (so even though that tank has 7k armor it can run away faster than an lav, where as the infantry run slower, and walk slower). Thats just a few Slayer logis - They are working on a fix. As much as we would love for changes to pump out quickly, they can't do it instantly. Swarms - Not sure what to say Proximity mines - huh? They do their job Armor plates - Tanks get an acceleration reduction. Infantry have an extremely fast acceleration (if not instant) so I don't think it would work. Proximity mines have to be scatterd all over a road to be effective and you really need to use max active for adv and proto to cover the road which makes it super easy to spot. Armor plates ... ya that acceleration reduction is not enough because they still get to speed quite fast, the top speed should have a penalty as well. As I used the infantry as an example to show both walk and sprint speeds are effected. As for slayer logis I know they are working on a fix.. it just took how many months before they even thought of it. Thats what I was pointing out not the speed in which they will fix it.
Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.12.03 13:31:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: ... Do you even play?!? BTW its pretty sad when I have to say this. Really? do you even play as infantry? or just sit in your tank all day hiding when the AV gear comes out. Although I do find it sad that you comment on this when it mainly details issues with AV and armor tanks while every time I ever saw you in a match you were running around in an armor tank... don't get me wrong, I haven't seen you in a match for while so maybe you have been running on foot instead of on treds or maybe you took to flight? only you know.
Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:18:00 - [7] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: They had bigger concerns. They aren't going to work on exactly what you want. Why must you assume that those things are what I want fixed? That those things must be fixed right away? I was asked to provided examples and they weren't even on my list of things I wanted fixed. Thats what I have heard from others. Heres what I want fixed so that you can harp on it and atleast it will be my wants that your harping on. Racial and role bonus fix. amarr 3% reduction to laser weaponry heat build up per lvl caldari 5% bonus to shields per lvl Gallente armor repair bonus .5 hp per lvl Minmatar 5% Hacking speed per lvl Roles---------- assault 5% reduction to light weapon pg & cpu Logi 5% reduction to equipment pg & cpu Heavy 5% to heavy weapon reload speed Scout 5% reduction to scan profile Thats what I would like to see instead of the double role bonus that we have now. However I know this will never happen, many will troll it, some will outright disagree with it... but to me this seems balanced and fits with the way ships are in eve. I'd also like to get pirate faction suits like ships in eve where they use 2 factions that give 2 race bonus that can be bought with LP from running faction contracts. Again just my opinion
Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:48:00 - [8] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Gabe Vello wrote: Cat Merc wrote: They had bigger concerns. They aren't going to work on exactly what you want. Why must you assume that those things are what I want fixed? That those things must be fixed right away? I was asked to provided examples and they weren't even on my list of things I wanted fixed. Thats what I have heard from others. Heres what I want fixed so that you can harp on it and atleast it will be my wants that your harping on. Racial and role bonus fix. amarr 3% reduction to laser weaponry heat build up per lvl caldari 5% bonus to shields per lvl Gallente armor repair bonus .5 hp per lvl Minmatar 5% Hacking speed per lvl Roles---------- assault 5% reduction to light weapon pg & cpu Logi 5% reduction to equipment pg & cpu Heavy 5% to heavy weapon reload speed Scout 5% reduction to scan profile Thats what I would like to see instead of the double role bonus that we have now. However I know this will never happen, many will troll it, some will outright disagree with it... but to me this seems balanced and fits with the way ships are in eve. I'd also like to get pirate faction suits like ships in eve where they use 2 factions that give 2 race bonus that can be bought with LP from running faction contracts. Again just my opinion See, the problem is you assume that your answer is correct. You can give CCP all the stats in the world, if in their playtest it isn't working right, they aren't going to do it. It's called the god complex, you should read about it. LOL All I can see is that you can't read. Where in there did I say that it was the correct way? You took my opinion and thoughts on what I would like to see happen because it's my opinion and my thoughts that it is a balanced way to place the bonuses. Why must I assume to be correct in anything? Why must you assume that I feel I must be correct in anything? This thread is all about opinions, some will be agree, disagree, think its crazy, stupid, or just blah but in the end those are all either "I agree or disagree etc.." based upon the opinions of the people that read these posts within the thread, so in no realistic way can anyone be truely correct about their opinions being posted to this thread. Sorry but if this was a situation where we looked at the same person sans left shoe and one of us said "they have both shoes on right now" (in regards to the person with only one shoe) then yes, one of us would be correct and the other would be wrong. However we're talking opinions in this thread so the context of correct or incorrect is wrong, it's either agree, disagree etc.. Should I assume you live in a country where people are not allowed to express their opinions and only state actual facts? If thats the case then maybe you shouldn't have created this thread, because there will be more opinions to follow and I wouldn't want you to get to upset over it.
Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:00:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: huh? You're talking absolute nonsense right now. I guess I rest my case on your reading skills
Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:07:00 - [10] - Quote Disagree

Gabe Vello Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:16:00 - [11] - Quote Ok, time for me to disappear cat. It was a fun troll. Don't get me wrong my first post was real. I was laughing so hard I spotted with jenza's reply... how can one show proof when there is a NDA in the way? although I totaly get why you and cat get along since I have seen what you look like... total cat lady