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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:51:00 -
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So I just tested mouse and keyboard to see what's wrong...
And guys, it's as good as it's ever going to be at 30 FPS.
Playing PC games at 30 FPS is a nightmare with M/K, it feels just like Dust with M/K.
The lower frame rate causes a delay in controls, and it's pretty damn noticeable with M/K.
I suspect when the game moves to PS4, M/K will suddenly be amazingly good.
Unless CCP can optimize the game to the point where it runs at 60FPS on the PS3, don't expect much more.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8152
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:53:00 -
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And somehow kb/m was amazing before Uprising despite not even having raw input.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4225
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:54:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:And somehow kb/m was amazing before Uprising despite not even having raw input.
Was not.
In this version of the game it's MUCH MUCH more accurate, but has input lag.
Chromo actually held a more stable 30FPS.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy
Ahrendee Mercenaries
452
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:56:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:And somehow kb/m was amazing before Uprising despite not even having raw input.
I agree - Chromosome was great.
Sworn Shield of Cat Merc.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4225
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:57:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:And somehow kb/m was amazing before Uprising despite not even having raw input.
HOWEVER.
I do believe the input lag could be slightly reduced.
It's still higher than it should be, even at an unstable 30FPS.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4225
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:57:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:Cosgar wrote:And somehow kb/m was amazing before Uprising despite not even having raw input. I agree - Chromosome was great.
Hello my sworn shield.
How is the "take over the world in the name of cats" thing going?
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8153
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Posted - 2013.12.01 23:08:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Cosgar wrote:And somehow kb/m was amazing before Uprising despite not even having raw input. HOWEVER. I do believe the input lag could be slightly reduced. It's still higher than it should be, even at an unstable 30FPS.
You should've tried it in 1.0 to see how bad it really was.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
2467
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Posted - 2013.12.01 23:12:00 -
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Cat Merc, I don't need you or anyone else's opinion on the KBM to know that support was at one point great and now is trash.
This is now a Duvolle needs recoil thread BTW.
HellsGÇáorm, Director
Bringing the Wrath of God down on the Matari since YC114
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4225
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Posted - 2013.12.01 23:20:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Cosgar wrote:And somehow kb/m was amazing before Uprising despite not even having raw input. HOWEVER. I do believe the input lag could be slightly reduced. It's still higher than it should be, even at an unstable 30FPS. You should've tried it in 1.0 to see how bad it really was.
I did.
It was awful.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4225
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Posted - 2013.12.01 23:21:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:Cat Merc, I don't need you or anyone else's opinion on the KBM to know that support was at one point great and now is trash.
This is now a Duvolle needs recoil thread BTW.
It was never great.
Sure back in Chromo it had less input lag, but it was HIGHLY inaccurate.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Garth Mandra
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
241
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Posted - 2013.12.02 00:09:00 -
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In Chromosome we had aim friction didn't we?
Now we have no aim assists. |
SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
542
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Posted - 2013.12.02 01:02:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Cosgar wrote:You should've tried it in 1.0 to see how bad it really was. I did. It was awful.
I stopped playing from uprising 1.0 to 1.1 basically because of that.
"Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)"
GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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DTOracle
BlackWater Liquidations
160
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Posted - 2013.12.02 03:03:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:So I just tested mouse and keyboard to see what's wrong...
And guys, it's as good as it's ever going to be at 30 FPS.
Playing PC games at 30 FPS is a nightmare with M/K, it feels just like Dust with M/K.
The lower frame rate causes a delay in controls, and it's pretty damn noticeable with M/K.
I suspect when the game moves to PS4, M/K will suddenly be amazingly good.
Unless CCP can optimize the game to the point where it runs at 60FPS on the PS3, don't expect much more.
I can agree to a point. The problem is that it has gotten worse with every 'improvement'. It was better in closed beta. At least my character didn't, at random start spinning in circles & looking at the sky. Imagine being in the middle of a intense CQC battle, & your controls starts pulling to the left. & it doesn't stop until I let go of the mouse & let it finish. add to that broken sensitivity settings that haven't been touched in at least 3 updates(maybe more). & it's clear that KB/M have been put on the back burner.
There is much more that can be done, but if they fix these issues & add custom bindings i'll be happy. |
Gorra Snell
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
282
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Posted - 2013.12.02 03:16:00 -
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I'd been wondering about the input lag lately, and I couldn't figure out whether it was really there, or just a placebo effect since I'd heard it existed. I happened to execute a fast, sharp, turn, and noticed that I perceived my hand start moving AND stop completely before I perceived my character executing the turn. Then I did it a bunch more times, and I had absolutely not problem reproducing it. This strikes me as a pretty egregious problem.
RDVs are a failed experiment - can't we just remove them from the game?
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8169
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Posted - 2013.12.02 03:19:00 -
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Gorra Snell wrote:I'd been wondering about the input lag lately, and I couldn't figure out whether it was really there, or just a placebo effect since I'd heard it existed. I happened to execute a fast, sharp, turn, and noticed that I perceived my hand start moving AND stop completely before I perceived my character executing the turn. Then I did it a bunch more times, and I had absolutely not problem reproducing it. This strikes me as a pretty egregious problem.
Playing in SD helps a bit, but the lag is still there.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
1464
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Posted - 2013.12.02 03:25:00 -
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Cat playing with Mouse?
I'd bet that was more satisfying than you'd admit.
Cheeseburgers.
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Funkmaster Whale
Fatal Absolution
1232
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Posted - 2013.12.02 03:50:00 -
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Input lag, framerate lag, and competing with aim assist in sub-30 FPS game makes it not even worth it. It's ok in pubs but don't even bother in PC unless you're Forge Gunning or sniping.
It's the reason I stopped playing PC. Aim assist simply outclasses me when the game is a almost a full second behind me in terms of input.
Seriously, **** aim assist and **** CCP. I'm so bitter about how bad they ****** over M/KB in the past few months.
Let me play you the song of my people!
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
760
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Posted - 2013.12.02 03:59:00 -
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Buy the Frag FX Shark and rejoice!
"It's made with bits of real Gallente. So you know it's good."
-GÇö Brian Fantana paraphrased
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8174
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Posted - 2013.12.02 04:38:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Buy the Frag FX Shark and rejoice!
I'd rather have my preferred input device work as intended without having to resort to 3rd party hardware.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
1157
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Posted - 2013.12.02 04:40:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:
I suspect when the game moves to PS4.
One can dream...
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
1157
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Posted - 2013.12.02 04:42:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Buy the Frag FX Shark and rejoice!
I have one and it's just so awful to play in ps3 mode....or maybe I'm just not good with mouses.
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M McManus
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
292
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Posted - 2013.12.02 04:45:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Input lag, framerate lag, and competing with aim assist in sub-30 FPS game makes it not even worth it. It's ok in pubs but don't even bother in PC unless you're Forge Gunning or sniping.
It's the reason I stopped playing PC. Aim assist simply outclasses me when the game is a almost a full second behind me in terms of input.
Seriously, **** aim assist and **** CCP. I'm so bitter about how bad they ****** over M/KB in the past few months.
QFT
And Catmerc sorry your word is not gold and the majority of true kb/m users have quit Dust all together or switched to the controller because of how bad kb/m has become. If CCP takes inexperienced troll comments like yours seriously they should just scrap the kb/m all together btw kb/m was damn near flawless in chromosome so what's the excuse now.. ? |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4236
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Posted - 2013.12.02 11:03:00 -
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Gorra Snell wrote:I'd been wondering about the input lag lately, and I couldn't figure out whether it was really there, or just a placebo effect since I'd heard it existed. I happened to execute a fast, sharp, turn, and noticed that I perceived my hand start moving AND stop completely before I perceived my character executing the turn. Then I did it a bunch more times, and I had absolutely not problem reproducing it. This strikes me as a pretty egregious problem.
It's easy to test.
Do a sharp right to left movement with the mouse.
See how long it takes for the game to stop, and how long it takes you to stop.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4236
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Posted - 2013.12.02 11:04:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Input lag, framerate lag, and competing with aim assist in sub-30 FPS game makes it not even worth it. It's ok in pubs but don't even bother in PC unless you're Forge Gunning or sniping.
It's the reason I stopped playing PC. Aim assist simply outclasses me when the game is a almost a full second behind me in terms of input.
Seriously, **** aim assist and **** CCP. I'm so bitter about how bad they ****** over M/KB in the past few months.
Yeah, blame aim assist, it's totally not the massive input lag 
I can tell it's the most accurate it ever was, if it wasn't for the input lag, you'd have practical aim bot compared to DS3's.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4236
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Posted - 2013.12.02 11:05:00 -
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M McManus wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Input lag, framerate lag, and competing with aim assist in sub-30 FPS game makes it not even worth it. It's ok in pubs but don't even bother in PC unless you're Forge Gunning or sniping.
It's the reason I stopped playing PC. Aim assist simply outclasses me when the game is a almost a full second behind me in terms of input.
Seriously, **** aim assist and **** CCP. I'm so bitter about how bad they ****** over M/KB in the past few months. QFT And Catmerc sorry your word is not gold and the majority of true kb/m users have quit Dust all together or switched to the controller because of how bad kb/m has become. If CCP takes inexperienced troll comments like yours seriously they should just scrap the kb/m all together btw kb/m was damn near flawless in chromosome so what's the excuse now.. ?
It was heavily flawed.
You guys have nostalgia goggles, get over it.
Chromosome, while it had next to no input lag, was EXTREMELY inaccurate.
I could not stand it.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
721
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Posted - 2013.12.02 11:19:00 -
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The problem right now is the input lag, and its not only on the mouse movements, it also can be felt when pressing the mouse buttons AND keyboard buttons. I have verified this by playing in 576p, and trying to cook a grenade with either the mouse (macro 'X') or keyboard. When in 720p, it takes a quite long time before you bring up the grenade. When in 576p the grenade appears immidiately. There is a significant difference if you try this. The same effect can be noticed when switching weapons.
Most other issues can be resolved by setting polling rate to 100 or 125 Hz. HW limitations in PS3. 
KDR > ALL
ME > KDR
ME > ALL
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Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
1217
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Posted - 2013.12.02 11:34:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:And somehow kb/m was amazing before Uprising despite not even having raw input.
It has never been anything near amazing, its been ok in chromosone, up to completely horrible at uprising, and being just passeble at 1.6 right now.
Anyone talking about amazing controls in dust somewhere along the lines has NEVER played an FPS game where the controls have been Superb and crisp....
IE: everyone that has never left the console...to play a shooter at high level gameplay...
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"Go Go Power Rangers!"
"Accuracy"
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M McManus
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
294
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Posted - 2013.12.02 12:44:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:M McManus wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Input lag, framerate lag, and competing with aim assist in sub-30 FPS game makes it not even worth it. It's ok in pubs but don't even bother in PC unless you're Forge Gunning or sniping.
It's the reason I stopped playing PC. Aim assist simply outclasses me when the game is a almost a full second behind me in terms of input.
Seriously, **** aim assist and **** CCP. I'm so bitter about how bad they ****** over M/KB in the past few months. QFT And Catmerc sorry your word is not gold and the majority of true kb/m users have quit Dust all together or switched to the controller because of how bad kb/m has become. If CCP takes inexperienced troll comments like yours seriously they should just scrap the kb/m all together btw kb/m was damn near flawless in chromosome so what's the excuse now.. ? It was heavily flawed. You guys have nostalgia goggles, get over it. Chromosome, while it had next to no input lag, was EXTREMELY inaccurate. I could not stand it.
You're ridiculous every post i read of yours, it's your opinion or none... You have multiple people telling you KB/M is broken beyond input lag and it was some how 10x better in chromosome but yet you still continue to talk about how its so amazing right now and we would have a "practical aimbot" if there was no input lag.. (Unlike the actual aim bot DS3 has right ? )
Do you even read the **** that goes into your posts.. Get over yourself please, I would rather take the multiple people in this posts opinion who have proven their knowledge of kb/m over a full DS3 supporter anyway and if kb/m is so amazing use it buddy don't just test it... Simple as that..
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Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
1226
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Posted - 2013.12.02 13:00:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Buy the Frag FX Shark and rejoice! I have one and it's just so awful to play in ps3 mode....or maybe I'm just not good with mouses.
I really wonder how i would fare using one of those Frag Fx's seeing i can make the current KBM work so well that people send me fanmail about my aim assist & turbo buttons, cant help but think how awseme it would be with added AA lol...
Aaaaand then i went and checked the price on those s*ckers .......and ill say f*ck that ...
Winner of the EU Squad Cup
"Go Go Power Rangers!"
"Accuracy"
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
722
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Posted - 2013.12.02 13:12:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Buy the Frag FX Shark and rejoice! I have one and it's just so awful to play in ps3 mode....or maybe I'm just not good with mouses. I really wonder how i would fare using one of those Frag Fx's seeing i can make the current KBM work so well that people send me fanmail about my aim assist & turbo buttons, cant help but think how awseme it would be with added AA lol... Aaaaand then i went and checked the price on those s*ckers .......and ill say f*ck that ...
You can get a GIMX to abuse aim assist: http://blog.gimx.fr/
xD
KDR > ALL
ME > KDR
ME > ALL
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