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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4225	Posted - 2013.12.01 22:51:00 - [1] - Quote So I just tested mouse and keyboard to see what's wrong... And guys, it's as good as it's ever going to be at 30 FPS. Playing PC games at 30 FPS is a nightmare with M/K, it feels just like Dust with M/K. The lower frame rate causes a delay in controls, and it's pretty damn noticeable with M/K. I suspect when the game moves to PS4, M/K will suddenly be amazingly good. Unless CCP can optimize the game to the point where it runs at 60FPS on the PS3, don't expect much more. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4225	Posted - 2013.12.01 22:54:00 - [2] - Quote Cosgar wrote: And somehow kb/m was amazing before Uprising despite not even having raw input. Was not. In this version of the game it's MUCH MUCH more accurate, but has input lag. Chromo actually held a more stable 30FPS. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4225	Posted - 2013.12.01 22:57:00 - [3] - Quote Cosgar wrote: And somehow kb/m was amazing before Uprising despite not even having raw input. HOWEVER. I do believe the input lag could be slightly reduced. It's still higher than it should be, even at an unstable 30FPS. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4225	Posted - 2013.12.01 22:57:00 - [4] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Cosgar wrote: And somehow kb/m was amazing before Uprising despite not even having raw input. I agree - Chromosome was great. Hello my sworn shield. How is the "take over the world in the name of cats" thing going? Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4225	Posted - 2013.12.01 23:20:00 - [5] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Cosgar wrote: And somehow kb/m was amazing before Uprising despite not even having raw input. HOWEVER. I do believe the input lag could be slightly reduced. It's still higher than it should be, even at an unstable 30FPS. You should've tried it in 1.0 to see how bad it really was. I did. It was awful. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4225	Posted - 2013.12.01 23:21:00 - [6] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Cat Merc, I don't need you or anyone else's opinion on the KBM to know that support was at one point great and now is trash. This is now a Duvolle needs recoil thread BTW. It was never great. Sure back in Chromo it had less input lag, but it was HIGHLY inaccurate. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4236	Posted - 2013.12.02 11:03:00 - [7] - Quote Gorra Snell wrote: I'd been wondering about the input lag lately, and I couldn't figure out whether it was really there, or just a placebo effect since I'd heard it existed. I happened to execute a fast, sharp, turn, and noticed that I perceived my hand start moving AND stop completely before I perceived my character executing the turn. Then I did it a bunch more times, and I had absolutely not problem reproducing it. This strikes me as a pretty egregious problem. It's easy to test. Do a sharp right to left movement with the mouse. See how long it takes for the game to stop, and how long it takes you to stop. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4236	Posted - 2013.12.02 11:04:00 - [8] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Input lag, framerate lag, and competing with aim assist in sub-30 FPS game makes it not even worth it. It's ok in pubs but don't even bother in PC unless you're Forge Gunning or sniping. It's the reason I stopped playing PC. Aim assist simply outclasses me when the game is a almost a full second behind me in terms of input. Seriously, ** aim assist and CCP. I'm so bitter about how bad they **** over M/KB in the past few months. Yeah, blame aim assist, it's totally not the massive input lag I can tell it's the most accurate it ever was, if it wasn't for the input lag, you'd have practical aim bot compared to DS3's. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4236	Posted - 2013.12.02 11:05:00 - [9] - Quote M McManus wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Input lag, framerate lag, and competing with aim assist in sub-30 FPS game makes it not even worth it. It's ok in pubs but don't even bother in PC unless you're Forge Gunning or sniping. It's the reason I stopped playing PC. Aim assist simply outclasses me when the game is a almost a full second behind me in terms of input. Seriously, ** aim assist and CCP. I'm so bitter about how bad they **** over M/KB in the past few months. QFT And Catmerc sorry your word is not gold and the majority of true kb/m users have quit Dust all together or switched to the controller because of how bad kb/m has become. If CCP takes inexperienced troll comments like yours seriously they should just scrap the kb/m all together btw kb/m was damn near flawless in chromosome so what's the excuse now.. ? It was heavily flawed. You guys have nostalgia goggles, get over it. Chromosome, while it had next to no input lag, was EXTREMELY inaccurate. I could not stand it. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4237	Posted - 2013.12.02 14:44:00 - [10] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Cosgar wrote: And somehow kb/m was amazing before Uprising despite not even having raw input. I agree - Chromosome was great. Hello my sworn shield. How is the "take over the world in the name of cats" thing going? I have raided a couple of villages and found some kind of ancient artifact - https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRp0V4eot3bBIPkm__Oloko-tvJT5lPPNqDOY29Nc2qONvFwBK1 we could pain paint in - a golden lion on a crimson field. Excellent. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4238	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:21:00 - [11] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Input lag, framerate lag, and competing with aim assist in sub-30 FPS game makes it not even worth it. It's ok in pubs but don't even bother in PC unless you're Forge Gunning or sniping. It's the reason I stopped playing PC. Aim assist simply outclasses me when the game is a almost a full second behind me in terms of input. Seriously, ** aim assist and CCP. I'm so bitter about how bad they **** over M/KB in the past few months. Yeah, blame aim assist, it's totally not the massive input lag I can tell it's the most accurate it ever was, if it wasn't for the input lag, you'd have practical aim bot compared to DS3's. I'm sorry but no. Accurate, precise input is not aim bot. Aim bot is having the game do the aiming for you (like aim assist, but more extreme). If someone with M/KB is constantly hitting you, that's attributed to their own ability not the game holding your hand like the pathetic AA does. By practical aim bot I meant that you could track a target and land perfect headshots 99% of the time. AA doesn't do that. Also, if AA didn't exist and M/K had no input lag, DS3 users would have no place in this game. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4239	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:36:00 - [12] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Input lag, framerate lag, and competing with aim assist in sub-30 FPS game makes it not even worth it. It's ok in pubs but don't even bother in PC unless you're Forge Gunning or sniping. It's the reason I stopped playing PC. Aim assist simply outclasses me when the game is a almost a full second behind me in terms of input. Seriously, ** aim assist and CCP. I'm so bitter about how bad they **** over M/KB in the past few months. Yeah, blame aim assist, it's totally not the massive input lag I can tell it's the most accurate it ever was, if it wasn't for the input lag, you'd have practical aim bot compared to DS3's. I'm sorry but no. Accurate, precise input is not aim bot. Aim bot is having the game do the aiming for you (like aim assist, but more extreme). If someone with M/KB is constantly hitting you, that's attributed to their own ability not the game holding your hand like the pathetic AA does. By practical aim bot I meant that you could track a target and land perfect headshots 99% of the time. AA doesn't do that. Also, if AA didn't exist and M/K had no input lag, DS3 users would have no place in this game. Anecdotal made-up statistics. You're talking out of complete ignorance and acting as if M/KB is automatic god mode for anyone who picks it up. Go play with a M/KB in a CQC scenario and marvel as a DS3 user with a Militia Assault Rifle out damages you as you both do the silly strafe n spray tactic. His gun will magically track you because DS3 users are just so good at tracking. "You're talking out of complete ignorance and acting as if M/KB is automatic god mode for anyone who picks it up." Am I really? As someone who played Counter Strike for god knows how many years, and became good enough to do just what I described, I think not. While yes I played many years, I also played many years with the DS3 and I'm not nearly as proficient, even with aim assist. The fact that Dust has a fuckton of input lag doesn't change how overwhelmingly good M/K can be compared to DS3 if done right. So you telling me to go play now doesn't mean anything other than that Dust has input lag. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4239	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:54:00 - [13] - Quote M McManus wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Input lag, framerate lag, and competing with aim assist in sub-30 FPS game makes it not even worth it. It's ok in pubs but don't even bother in PC unless you're Forge Gunning or sniping. It's the reason I stopped playing PC. Aim assist simply outclasses me when the game is a almost a full second behind me in terms of input. Seriously, ** aim assist and CCP. I'm so bitter about how bad they **** over M/KB in the past few months. Yeah, blame aim assist, it's totally not the massive input lag I can tell it's the most accurate it ever was, if it wasn't for the input lag, you'd have practical aim bot compared to DS3's. I'm sorry but no. Accurate, precise input is not aim bot. Aim bot is having the game do the aiming for you (like aim assist, but more extreme). If someone with M/KB is constantly hitting you, that's attributed to their own ability not the game holding your hand like the pathetic AA does. By practical aim bot I meant that you could track a target and land perfect headshots 99% of the time. AA doesn't do that. Also, if AA didn't exist and M/K had no input lag, DS3 users would have no place in this game. No one said anything about AA not existing and kb/m in its current state vs even non aimbot pre-1.4 Ds3 DS3 would win hands down.. I really don't think its only input lag and fps hurting the kb/m there has got to be some sort of emulation script that makes the mouse feel like your aiming underwater, acceleration etc.. DS3 can keep AA, but CCP needs to improve the current mouse setup or revert mouse aiming back to chromosome.. I guess since you're the only one who thinks it wasn't good, then maybe you can make a new post telling everyone it's as good as it's gonna get once it has improved... Because that comment alone is ignorant when the very same input you're judging was useable at one point.. It was USEABLE but it was bad. It was highly inaccurate and not even close to what M/K can do. I prefer CCP go forward with what they have than revert to what it was. Besides, they probably can't use it, CCP had to rewrite a lot of systems with Uprising and aiming was one of them. The code is probably not compatiable. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4241	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:12:00 - [14] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Cat I think it's time for you to tap out.. I have to agree with these guys you're reaching pretty hard here to stay in the fight I'm not sure how long you "tested" the M/KB in chromosome but it was notwhere near "bad", ask anyone in RND. I was surgical with chromosome M/KB I've only been able to hold my own as of uprising becuase I bit the bullet and swiched to DS3, dat aim assist ftw... (which hurt my soul doing so) And I also have to agree you can't say input lag and FPS is M/KB's problem if that was the case I would be just as bad tracking and straffing targets with DS3 even with aimbot, trust me I've played with a fair share of lag throughout my PC Gaming days. This is not lag the M/KB is struggling with, I believe its something internal that CCP needs to figure out quick.. You became surgical with it because you got used to it's quirks. Back in early Uprising, the aiming with DS3 was terribad, but I got used to it overtime, since my brain automatically corrected for it's quirks. I can tell the current M/K is accurate, just has a fuckton of input lag. Swipe it left to right and see how long it takes for the game to react. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4245	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:41:00 - [15] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Cat Merc wrote: bolsh lee wrote: Cat I think it's time for you to tap out.. I have to agree with these guys you're reaching pretty hard here to stay in the fight I'm not sure how long you "tested" the M/KB in chromosome but it was notwhere near "bad", ask anyone in RND. I was surgical with chromosome M/KB I've only been able to hold my own as of uprising becuase I bit the bullet and swiched to DS3, dat aim assist ftw... (which hurt my soul doing so) And I also have to agree you can't say input lag and FPS is M/KB's problem if that was the case I would be just as bad tracking and straffing targets with DS3 even with aimbot, trust me I've played with a fair share of lag throughout my PC Gaming days. This is not lag the M/KB is struggling with, I believe its something internal that CCP needs to figure out quick.. You became surgical with it because you got used to it's quirks. Back in early Uprising, the aiming with DS3 was terribad, but I got used to it overtime, since my brain automatically corrected for it's quirks. I can tell the current M/K is accurate, just has a fuckton of input lag. Swipe it left to right and see how long it takes for the game to react. I agree but I really don't think that's input lag.. I could be wrong or its a mixture of the ****** emulation and input lag all I'm saying is its not "just" input lag its something I believe CCP can/should fix that's why we shouldn't say this is "as good as it's going to get".. Because I don't care how good muscle memory is there is no way I personally could "get used to this versions quirks" I think a lot of others feel the same way.. You say in one post this is it, then you say in another you want CCP to move forward, which is it? Regardless of anyone's feelings on it I think CCP knows they need to improve it .... (I hope) By move forward I mean use what they have and build upon it. Rather than scrap it and go to the old version like people want. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4247	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:01:00 - [16] - Quote Cosgar wrote: What's the point? CCP is just going to say it's "mechanically intended" just like the AR having 0 recoil when you mash the trigger. All weapons in this game (with the exception of single shot weapons) have this... Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4247	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:45:00 - [17] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: I'm no FPS vet or game dev or anything ... but my experience with KBM I find it just moves of it's own accord ... I can point at a dot, move the mouse right enough that would maybe move the pointer a couple of pixels and the pointer seems to do what it wants, jumping 20 pixels up and to the left rather than a few pixels to the right. I don't think that could be down to input lag since the only input I've given is a small move to the right and the response I get is a large movement in the opposite direction with added vertical movement. It seems more like the game is trying to push your aim off, like the opposite of an aim assist, more like when you try to push magnets together with the same pole facing each other and they skew away from each other. That's my experience anyway ... and part of the reason I've hardly played since Uprising. Huh... What kind of mouse are you using? I did not experience this at all. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4250	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:02:00 - [18] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Needless Sacermendor wrote: I'm no FPS vet or game dev or anything ... but my experience with KBM I find it just moves of it's own accord ... I can point at a dot, move the mouse right enough that would maybe move the pointer a couple of pixels and the pointer seems to do what it wants, jumping 20 pixels up and to the left rather than a few pixels to the right. I don't think that could be down to input lag since the only input I've given is a small move to the right and the response I get is a large movement in the opposite direction with added vertical movement. It seems more like the game is trying to push your aim off, like the opposite of an aim assist, more like when you try to push magnets together with the same pole facing each other and they skew away from each other. That's my experience anyway ... and part of the reason I've hardly played since Uprising. +1 I've experienced this almost to the exact, you can aim left and right (point to point) small movements and its very inconsistent you can especially feel this in CQC its like an anti-aim assist... I don't see it. What kind of mouse are you using? Are you using mouse smoothing? Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4250	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:45:00 - [19] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: If you don't see it you aren't qualified to be making threads on how CCP should handle KBM support. You do understand it could be a specific issue related to some specific mice? Or maybe my specific mouse doesn't have that issue? I would see it if it existed. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4250	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:57:00 - [20] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Needless Sacermendor wrote: I'm no FPS vet or game dev or anything ... but my experience with KBM I find it just moves of it's own accord ... I can point at a dot, move the mouse right enough that would maybe move the pointer a couple of pixels and the pointer seems to do what it wants, jumping 20 pixels up and to the left rather than a few pixels to the right. I don't think that could be down to input lag since the only input I've given is a small move to the right and the response I get is a large movement in the opposite direction with added vertical movement. It seems more like the game is trying to push your aim off, like the opposite of an aim assist, more like when you try to push magnets together with the same pole facing each other and they skew away from each other. That's my experience anyway ... and part of the reason I've hardly played since Uprising. Huh... What kind of mouse are you using? I did not experience this at all. I use a Logitech G700 ... Logitech are notoriously plug and play with any system they give good solid results across the board. Hmm... I am using a crapola Logitech M180 (not really a PC gamer for a few years now, so I don't need a good mouse) and I don't have this issue. How much DPI does your mouse have? Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4267	Posted - 2013.12.03 00:46:00 - [21] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Razer Naga all different polling rates all different sensitivities even tried to use my wifes lady bug mouse defualt 800dpi still the same damn thing.. CCPs emulation sucks, simple as that.... huh... Gonna have to double check that. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4274	Posted - 2013.12.03 10:48:00 - [22] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Needless Sacermendor wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Needless Sacermendor wrote: I'm no FPS vet or game dev or anything ... but my experience with KBM I find it just moves of it's own accord ... I can point at a dot, move the mouse right enough that would maybe move the pointer a couple of pixels and the pointer seems to do what it wants, jumping 20 pixels up and to the left rather than a few pixels to the right. I don't think that could be down to input lag since the only input I've given is a small move to the right and the response I get is a large movement in the opposite direction with added vertical movement. It seems more like the game is trying to push your aim off, like the opposite of an aim assist, more like when you try to push magnets together with the same pole facing each other and they skew away from each other. That's my experience anyway ... and part of the reason I've hardly played since Uprising. Huh... What kind of mouse are you using? I did not experience this at all. I use a Logitech G700 ... Logitech are notoriously plug and play with any system they give good solid results across the board. Hmm... I am using a crapola Logitech M180 (not really a PC gamer for a few years now, so I don't need a good mouse) and I don't have this issue. How much DPI does your mouse have? What a joke! How can you state any opinions widen you are using a Walmart mouse. WTF Sorry? I was beating people left and right when I played counter strike a month ago for nostalgia's sake with that mouse. I was banned from 3 servers for cheating. It does it's job. I had a G500 but it got broken. I didn't see the need in getting a gaming mouse so I just got this. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.