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Roofer Madness
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.03 15:16:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:then i watch Preston from A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. get 20-30 every PC, destroying the best of players. so ya, GET GUD :p Preston is a GOOD heavy.
NEVER THE LESS: He has heavy support from his team,logis repairhim, everyone revivies him and whats worst he has always 1 - 3 people following him around.
The heavy is STILL UNDERPOWERED. He's just smart using the most Powerful Feature in this game: Teamwork.
Where the hell are you people getting this? Every once in a while Preston has someone repping him. Most of the time he's just a badass though. That dude is a beast. Plain and simple. Just more so with squad support. Like anyone else.
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Aleph Rynedee
Science For Death
14
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Posted - 2013.12.03 16:11:00 -
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Jastad wrote:
But to need logibro for a weapon to be viable it's bad balance.
It's not the weapon that needs a logi bro, it's the player.
I don't support a HMG or an AR as a logi bro, I'm supporting my teammate. The same teammate that is drawing fire from multiple directions allows me to keep their armor repped and ammo stocked. The two of us work together as a team to chew thru the seemingly endless stream of cranberries.
It's not the weapon that is out of balance, it's your view of the rock-paper-scissors interaction. |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
1495
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Posted - 2013.12.03 16:26:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:then i watch Preston from A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. get 20-30 every PC, destroying the best of players. so ya, GET GUD :p
Core locus for half his kills.
Anyone can sling grenades.
One could make an argument that he would be more effective in a medium frame because at least he could carry ammo or uplinks for the team.
Some people just need the HP pool to stay alive though.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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Tek Hound
Death In Xcess Corporation
150
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Posted - 2013.12.03 16:35:00 -
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Video please
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Terra Thesis
HDYLTA Defiant Legacy
370
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Posted - 2013.12.03 16:48:00 -
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the point of the heavy is to be the foundation of a terrifying cqc squad. the way to break this squad is to isolate the heavy, use your superior mobility to flank his cover and use your superior range pick him apart from range. don't try to make it into a solo suit. it's like saying the rep tool is UP because it's useless solo...
if you're trying to roam around in a heavy suit, ninja objectives and 1v1 mediums, well actually i say good luck to you because i love innovative play. but don't think you'll ever get buffs for that role.
that said, i agree HMG is up in cqc. increase dispersion, increase dps, add "cripple effect".
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Roofer Madness
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
590
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:06:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:then i watch Preston from A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. get 20-30 every PC, destroying the best of players. so ya, GET GUD :p Core locus for half his kills. Anyone can sling grenades. One could make an argument that he would be more effective in a medium frame because at least he could carry ammo or uplinks for the team. Some people just need the HP pool to stay alive though.
Show me on the doll where Preston hurt you... lol
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
659
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:10:00 -
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Roofer Madness wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:then i watch Preston from A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. get 20-30 every PC, destroying the best of players. so ya, GET GUD :p Preston is a GOOD heavy.
NEVER THE LESS: He has heavy support from his team,logis repairhim, everyone revivies him and whats worst he has always 1 - 3 people following him around.
The heavy is STILL UNDERPOWERED. He's just smart using the most Powerful Feature in this game: Teamwork. Where the hell are you people getting this? Every once in a while Preston has someone repping him. Most of the time he's just a badass though. That dude is a beast. Plain and simple. Just more so with squad support. Like anyone else. What I have seen is insane situational awareness, faster than normal heavy speed, and bad ass controlled fire of the HMG, but i die quick as i am noticed so my field observations are limited
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noob cavman
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
249
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:16:00 -
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Next time you see Preston take a look at his armor. Just saying
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Roofer Madness
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
590
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:22:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:Next time you see Preston take a look at his armor. Just saying
Don't give these scrubs any hints noob!!!!
I'm dying to tell them all the secret but they can figure that **** out on their own.
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CrotchGrab 360
Commando Perkone Caldari State
402
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:47:00 -
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Good heavies are good.
Bad heavies are bad.
A boundless with 1100 armour catching you by surprise will always tear you up if it's a good player.
With that being said darkxfiles is NOT a good heavy. Sorry bro but running back to your LAV when you hit 50%HP is not skillful. Nor is driving behind somebody to shoot them in the back with an HMG. Nor is losing your LLAV to me on your first spawn. |
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CrotchGrab 360
Commando Perkone Caldari State
406
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:49:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:the point of the heavy is to be the foundation of a terrifying cqc squad. the way to break this squad is to isolate the heavy, use your superior mobility to flank his cover and use your superior range pick him apart from range. don't try to make it into a solo suit. it's like saying the rep tool is UP because it's useless solo...
if you're trying to roam around in a heavy suit, ninja objectives and 1v1 mediums, well actually i say good luck to you because i love innovative play. but don't think you'll ever get buffs for that role.
that said, i agree HMG is up in cqc. increase dispersion, increase dps, add "cripple effect".
really the way to deal with heavies easily is to shoot them in the back and continue to do so whilst they run away at 4m/s |
Jacques Cayton II
Providence Guard Templis Dragonaors
194
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Posted - 2013.12.04 01:22:00 -
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castba wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:then i watch Preston from A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. get 20-30 every PC, destroying the best of players. so ya, GET GUD :p Yep, he is a beast. Preston and Jacques Clayton are excellent measures of your 1-on-1 heavy abilities if you can catch them in a straight fight with no pesky mediums around. OMG I was mentioned I feel important
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Jacques Cayton II
Providence Guard Templis Dragonaors
194
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Posted - 2013.12.04 01:23:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:castba wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:then i watch Preston from A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. get 20-30 every PC, destroying the best of players. so ya, GET GUD :p Yep, he is a beast. Preston and Jacques Clayton are excellent measures of your 1-on-1 heavy abilities if you can catch them in a straight fight with no pesky mediums around. Jacques Clayton is stupidly good. When he tries. I'll never forgive him for losing a FW for us by spamming his plasma cannon, doing nothing all game. COMMANDO IS BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD CLAYTON! Love you
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Joeboa
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
6
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Posted - 2013.12.05 01:38:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:then i watch Preston from A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. get 20-30 every PC, destroying the best of players. so ya, GET GUD :p Core locus for half his kills. Anyone can sling grenades. One could make an argument that he would be more effective in a medium frame because at least he could carry ammo or uplinks for the team. Some people just need the HP pool to stay alive though.
I'm usually part of his logi support in PC. He actually tells us not to bring ammo hives because something else is usually more valuable, such as uplinks. He uses his grenades when he has them, true, but he's not one of those people who sit on hives or depots to do it. When he has have or a depot he probably does sometimes and I would too, but it's not how he ever intends to play. Keep guessing. |
SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
398
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Posted - 2013.12.05 01:44:00 -
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Preston is probably the best heavy left in the game. Even I admit he's probably better then me.
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Jacques Cayton II
Providence Guard Templis Dragonaors
202
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Posted - 2013.12.05 01:48:00 -
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Pssha I'm th best heavy. Showdown high noon
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Joeboa
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
6
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Posted - 2013.12.05 01:50:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Roofer Madness wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:then i watch Preston from A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. get 20-30 every PC, destroying the best of players. so ya, GET GUD :p Preston is a GOOD heavy.
NEVER THE LESS: He has heavy support from his team,logis repairhim, everyone revivies him and whats worst he has always 1 - 3 people following him around.
The heavy is STILL UNDERPOWERED. He's just smart using the most Powerful Feature in this game: Teamwork. Where the hell are you people getting this? Every once in a while Preston has someone repping him. Most of the time he's just a badass though. That dude is a beast. Plain and simple. Just more so with squad support. Like anyone else. What I have seen is insane situational awareness, faster than normal heavy speed, and bad ass controlled fire of the HMG, but i die quick as i am noticed so my field observations are limited
He knows too much. Take him out before he gets any further! |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
4551
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Posted - 2013.12.05 01:51:00 -
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I see good tankers do good in PC games... DON'T BUFF THE TANKS! THEY'RE GOOD!
I see good dropship pilots fly circles around FGs... DON'T BUFF THE DROPSHIPS, THEY'RE GOOD!
I see a bad player using the AR and goes 1-11... BUFF THE AR! IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
Great logic in the OP
HMG is poop, regardless. I've gotten a few 30+ games in PC, more 20+ games, but it still doesn't change the fact that the gun sucks.
( ._.) <('.'<)
"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1285
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Posted - 2013.12.05 01:57:00 -
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J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:then i watch Preston from A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. get 20-30 every PC, destroying the best of players. so ya, GET GUD :p yo once i saw this guy go 0 and 27 in a pub match with the Assault Rifle so ya, the AR needs a buff i think
It's not totally like that but yeah.
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Tch Tch
Red Shirts Away Team
34
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Posted - 2013.12.05 02:17:00 -
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Happy Jack SD wrote:J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:then i watch Preston from A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. get 20-30 every PC, destroying the best of players. so ya, GET GUD :p yo once i saw this guy go 0 and 27 in a pub match with the Assault Rifle so ya, the AR needs a buff i think This is consistent play in PC, not lolPubs. Reading comprehension
Not reading comprehension. It's statistical comprehension.
You don't base typical mileage off outliers.
It's like saying golfing is easy because you saw tiger woods get a birdie. Yes he can consistently do that, but is that a normal outcome?
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AP Grasshopper
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
52
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Posted - 2013.12.05 02:37:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:As a HMG heavy i think the heavy is good as it is. Only a couple things need to change.
1. HMG needs a buff. My HMG is only good because its the proto HMG with proficiency 5 and a complex damage mod. The HMG accuracy is fine as it has no spread when standing still, and enough when moving to hit strafing targets. But the lower level HMGs without proficiency maxed feel to weak, I would recomend a damage buff but the game already has had its ttk lowered so mabey this isnt a good idea, but then again it seems only the ARs are killing to fast.
2. Sentinal skills nedd to be changed. The current bonus of 5% less overheat damage to self per level is not only bad for skilled players, but its not even the amarr bonus, its the sentinal one that ALL sentinals get. IMO the sentinal bonus should be 3% damage reduction from light weapons, sidearms, and explosives per level.
3. MOAR HEAVY STUFF! We need the other racial dropsuits, not just for heavys but for scouts as well. We also need more heavy weapons so were not stuck with one weapon.
you contradicted yourself three times. HMG needs more dispersion, range and possibly damage. its almost as accurate as a laser at the moment its kinda silly! |
Terra Thesis
HDYLTA Defiant Legacy
384
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Posted - 2013.12.05 04:34:00 -
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Tch Tch wrote:Not reading comprehension. It's statistical comprehension.
You don't base typical mileage off outliers.
It's like saying golfing is easy because you saw tiger woods get a birdie. Yes he can consistently do that, but is that a normal outcome?
actually, i have to disagree with where you are going with that. game balance should be done at the skill cap where the most competitive players are. not in the middle where all the mediocre people are.
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Roofer Madness
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
601
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Posted - 2013.12.05 05:15:00 -
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Tch Tch wrote:Happy Jack SD wrote:J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:then i watch Preston from A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. get 20-30 every PC, destroying the best of players. so ya, GET GUD :p yo once i saw this guy go 0 and 27 in a pub match with the Assault Rifle so ya, the AR needs a buff i think This is consistent play in PC, not lolPubs. Reading comprehension Not reading comprehension. It's statistical comprehension. You don't base typical mileage off outliers. It's like saying golfing is easy because you saw tiger woods get a birdie. Yes he can consistently do that, but is that a normal outcome?
This made me laugh because basically you're saying that Preston is the Tiger Woods of heavies. I'll bite. That fits.
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Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
313
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Posted - 2013.12.05 10:41:00 -
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Just because one player is exceptional with the HMG doesn't mean the weapon is okay. I don't think there's ever been a weapon so bad that there's not one player who can use it well. UP=weaker than it should be. UPGëáso weak it's impossible even for an outstanding player to get good scores.
I have prof 5 HMG and prof 5 AR. It's a simple fact that, versus a moving target (i.e. any competent player), the effective DPS on the AR is higher even at close range. This is because, however good you are with the HMG, some of your bullets will miss a strafing target, because it's virtually impossible to keep a single pixel reticule on target 100% of the time. By contrast, the AR has a much larger hit area to start with and the AA makes that bigger still. Then of course there's the range difference.
The only advantages the HMG has are high ammo and, in particular, a very large clip. For a player that is much better than his opponents that counts for a lot as it means you can go on kill streaks that an AR can't manage. Soloing in a pub the other day I killed 12 red dots in about as many seconds with the HMG by spawning into a camped CRU for lols, something that is impossible with the AR. Of course, that is only possible because I am a much better player than the average red, just as Preston is a better player than the average PC player. The point is that a weapon that can only use its advantage in the hands of someone who is superior to his opponents is obviously UP. |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
1536
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Posted - 2013.12.05 13:48:00 -
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Joeboa wrote:The Attorney General wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:then i watch Preston from A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. get 20-30 every PC, destroying the best of players. so ya, GET GUD :p Core locus for half his kills. Anyone can sling grenades. One could make an argument that he would be more effective in a medium frame because at least he could carry ammo or uplinks for the team. Some people just need the HP pool to stay alive though. I'm usually part of his logi support in PC. He actually tells us not to bring ammo hives because something else is usually more valuable, such as uplinks. He uses his grenades when he has them, true, but he's not one of those people who sit on hives or depots to do it. When he has have or a depot he probably does sometimes and I would too, but it's not how he ever intends to play. Keep guessing.
Did I say he sits on a hive?
So then how about you respond to my post instead of just blindly jumping to your boys defense.
I'm not saying he is not good with an HMG, but he gets a good chunk of his kills from the grenades.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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The Attorney General
ZionTCD
1536
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Posted - 2013.12.05 13:50:00 -
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SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:Preston is probably the best heavy left in the game. Even I admit he's probably better then me.
He can't use the forge worth a crap though.
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
2311
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Posted - 2013.12.05 14:15:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Kal Kronos wrote:Nah, I think he just carries fluxes. You need to realize your gun melts armor, not shields. So if I was to make a heavy fit my first goal would be to get as many people into armor as fast as possible. In comes proto flux paired with HMG in tight quarters, you ******* wreck face the logi just need to keep you repped and your nades stocked. Better yet just have the logi throw the nades too then you just need keep ammo in your gun. Any way the guy is a beast regardless, this is just how I plan to run my heavy setup after I proto my logi suit. :( If youre not throwing core lucus, you're not really trying to win anything. Almost any weapon can melt shields faster than the time it takes to cook a flux, and if you can cook a flux you could've cooked a locus and killed them. Flux is only useful for destroying shields/equipment through walls.
cant be any further from the truth
flux with ishukone sub is also a nasty combo
flux with MD we all know is deadly
and cooking fluxes? not really necessary
and this is coming from core locus spammer prof 19...
core locus way more fun, definitely, but you can teach a lazy-eyed caged baboon to be good with em
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demens grimwulff
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
55
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:55:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Joeboa wrote:The Attorney General wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:then i watch Preston from A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. get 20-30 every PC, destroying the best of players. so ya, GET GUD :p Core locus for half his kills. Anyone can sling grenades. One could make an argument that he would be more effective in a medium frame because at least he could carry ammo or uplinks for the team. Some people just need the HP pool to stay alive though. I'm usually part of his logi support in PC. He actually tells us not to bring ammo hives because something else is usually more valuable, such as uplinks. He uses his grenades when he has them, true, but he's not one of those people who sit on hives or depots to do it. When he has have or a depot he probably does sometimes and I would too, but it's not how he ever intends to play. Keep guessing. Did I say he sits on a hive? So then how about you respond to my post instead of just blindly jumping to your boys defense. I'm not saying he is not good with an HMG, but he gets a good chunk of his kills from the grenades.
+1
Preston uses nades, yes, but he also has a bunch of repping hives... He uses heavies in the same way I use assault, close quick, confuse opponents, and use active armor tanking. plain and simple... I know his suit as I was in the squad when he built it, and he basis it off of my PC assault suits... He is very good and doesn't require a dedicated logi, but he does have nanohives (repping specifically) |
TEXA5 HiTM4N
ROGUE SPADES
302
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Posted - 2013.12.05 20:24:00 -
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not roofie me and call it romance. I believe he is a squad leader, so he gets a **** load of orbital kills. He is a good heavy though.
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mini rehak
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
148
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:36:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:then i watch Preston from A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. get 20-30 every PC, destroying the best of players. so ya, GET GUD :p *cough* Most kills are from orbitals *cough*
Damn near every PC I play I go 20+ (lag depending) and I don't have any forums about me ._. Edit: forgot to mention I am an HMG heavy.
Know that you mean nothing to me,Nor the lies that seep from your teeth.
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