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Tectonic Fusion 606	Posted - 2013.11.27 05:05:00 - [1] - Quote Most people who complain about them has been gang banged by them, and didn't see them coming. If you force them into CQC, an strafe with your AR, you will win unless you are a shield tanker. I mean, the Assault Rifle is far more consistent with the high ammo, good damage, and the Duvolle insta kills. The Scrambler Rifle wins 1 vs 1 most of the time, but they can't stay in combat for very long without switching to their sidearm. Besides, it only outclasses the AR at prototype with the skills at 5 with prof 3, when the militia Assault Rifle is good with no skills to begin with. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 602	Posted - 2013.11.27 05:08:00 - [2] - Quote Rail rifle will dominate all! :D probably. *CALDARI MASTER RACE*
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 435	Posted - 2013.11.27 05:10:00 - [3] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Most people who complain about them has been gang banged by them, and didn't see them coming. If you force them into CQC, an strafe with your AR, you will win unless you are a shield tanker. I mean, the Assault Rifle is far more consistent with the high ammo, good damage, and the Duvolle insta kills. The Scrambler Rifle wins 1 vs 1 most of the time, but they can't stay in combat for very long without switching to their sidearm. Besides, it only outclasses the AR at prototype with the skills at 5 with prof 3, when the militia Assault Rifle is good with no skills to begin with. There will probably be less QQ when they fix the SCR overheat glitch. LINK
Tectonic Fusion 606	Posted - 2013.11.27 05:11:00 - [4] - Quote Zekain K wrote: Rail rifle will dominate all! :D probably. Assault Rail Rifle* I think the drawback should be a slightly less DPS, for a longer ranged weapon. And the scrambler rifle to have a higher DPS like it is now, but single fire. BTW to people who rage about people supposedly using rapid fire controllers, the overheat mechanic punishes them, making it harder to them to use effectively. The Combat Rifle should be just have a slightly lower DPS than the Assault Rifle. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Kal Kronos L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 124	Posted - 2013.11.27 05:14:00 - [5] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Most people who complain about them has been gang banged by them, and didn't see them coming. If you force them into CQC, an strafe with your AR, you will win unless you are a shield tanker. I mean, the Assault Rifle is far more consistent with the high ammo, good damage, and the Duvolle insta kills. The Scrambler Rifle wins 1 vs 1 most of the time, but they can't stay in combat for very long without switching to their sidearm. Besides, it only outclasses the AR at prototype with the skills at 5 with prof 3, when the militia Assault Rifle is good with no skills to begin with. There will probably be less QQ when they fix the SCR overheat glitch. LINK O jesus, the redberries are going to be so mad now. Dedicated redline sniper, tower forger, nade spammer, protostomper, and mass driver.
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 602	Posted - 2013.11.27 05:15:00 - [6] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Zekain K wrote: Rail rifle will dominate all! :D probably. Assault Rail Rifle* I think the drawback should be a slightly less DPS, for a longer ranged weapon. And the scrambler rifle to have a higher DPS like it is now, but single fire. BTW to people who rage about people supposedly using rapid fire controllers, the overheat mechanic punishes them, making it harder to them to use effectively. The Combat Rifle should be just have a slightly lower DPS than the Assault Rifle. Wrong. less heat built up is produced the faster you fire. So using a rapid controller with the semi SC actually benefits the user by granting them a few more shots before overheating . *CALDARI MASTER RACE*
Tectonic Fusion 606	Posted - 2013.11.27 05:16:00 - [7] - Quote Zekain K wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Zekain K wrote: Rail rifle will dominate all! :D probably. Assault Rail Rifle* I think the drawback should be a slightly less DPS, for a longer ranged weapon. And the scrambler rifle to have a higher DPS like it is now, but single fire. BTW to people who rage about people supposedly using rapid fire controllers, the overheat mechanic punishes them, making it harder to them to use effectively. The Combat Rifle should be just have a slightly lower DPS than the Assault Rifle. Wrong. less heat built up is produced the faster you fire. So using a rapid controller with the semi SC actually benefits the user by granting them a few more shots before overheating . Then I guess all CCP has to do is change that. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 602	Posted - 2013.11.27 05:17:00 - [8] - Quote Kal Kronos wrote: KGB Sleep wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Most people who complain about them has been gang banged by them, and didn't see them coming. If you force them into CQC, an strafe with your AR, you will win unless you are a shield tanker. I mean, the Assault Rifle is far more consistent with the high ammo, good damage, and the Duvolle insta kills. The Scrambler Rifle wins 1 vs 1 most of the time, but they can't stay in combat for very long without switching to their sidearm. Besides, it only outclasses the AR at prototype with the skills at 5 with prof 3, when the militia Assault Rifle is good with no skills to begin with. There will probably be less QQ when they fix the SCR overheat glitch. LINK O jesus, the redberries are going to be so mad now. I know what i'm going to do the next time I play. *CALDARI MASTER RACE*
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1533	Posted - 2013.11.27 05:20:00 - [9] - Quote Honestly, no, it's not. -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Tectonic Fusion 607	Posted - 2013.11.27 05:27:00 - [10] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Honestly, no, it's not. When compared to the Duvolle? No. Solo Player Squad status: Locked

Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 167	Posted - 2013.11.27 05:37:00 - [11] - Quote All of this is irrelevant. New guns.
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1534	Posted - 2013.11.27 05:40:00 - [12] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: Honestly, no, it's not. When compared to the Duvolle? No. AR = Easier. SCR = Better. I'm running a Logistic A/1 with Scrambler Fifle Proficiency 3 and 2 Complex Damage mods. Let me tell you that I can't even find a real use for the Imperial, it would be a totally unnecessary and ridiculous overkill. I can't imagine how I would need something more powerful than a CRW-04. Yeah, PC. Note that I'm not saying it's OP. -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 232	Posted - 2013.11.27 05:40:00 - [13] - Quote Zekain K wrote: Wrong. less heat built up is produced the faster you fire. So using a rapid controller with the semi SC actually benefits the user by granting them a few more shots before overheating . I tested this with macros on my mouse and this is not true.
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1534	Posted - 2013.11.27 05:41:00 - [14] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: All of this is irrelevant. New guns. Nope, the Scrambler is getting a 28m range buff in 1.7, new guns can wait if you're specced into Scramblers -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 248	Posted - 2013.11.27 06:04:00 - [15] - Quote Alright, I have prof 4 in scrambler and I just want to say... yes it is too powerful in CQC when compared to say... the HMG, or the shotgun, or PLC, or nova knives, or mass driver, or even the flaylock. When compared to the AR, grenades, and SMG though it is in good company. So your choice, either some weapons are underpowered (meaning you like the TTK as it is now) Or some weapons are overpowered (meaning you think TTK is too short) To single out the scrambler though is not really being honest. an easy fix to Matchmaking
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 959	Posted - 2013.11.27 06:36:00 - [16] - Quote The reason the Scrambler Rifle is such a ** machine is because people armor tank, which the Scramblers eat for breakfast. You can one shot a lot of medium suits with the charge of a CRW-04 without even breaking into the Complex Light Damage Modifiers. Shield tankers have a better survival rate against the Scramblers than the Plasma Rifle due to the Plasma Rifle being a shield killer. That and the Plasma Rifle does ****** amount of damage with not enough consequence. SWEET MOTHER OF TERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES BENZ, YOU SOUND LIKE A MAJESTIC FUCKING EAGLE! CAN YOU SING?!
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 804	Posted - 2013.11.27 06:44:00 - [17] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: The reason the Scrambler Rifle is such a ** machine is because people armor tank, which the Scramblers eat for breakfast. You can one shot a lot of medium suits with the charge of a CRW-04 without even breaking into the Complex Light Damage Modifiers. Shield tankers have a better survival rate against the Scramblers than the Plasma Rifle due to the Plasma Rifle being a shield killer. That and the Plasma Rifle does ****** amount of damage with not enough consequence. This is bass ackwards. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Kal Kronos L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 125	Posted - 2013.11.27 06:44:00 - [18] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: The reason the Scrambler Rifle is such a ** machine is because people armor tank, which the Scramblers eat for breakfast. You can one shot a lot of medium suits with the charge of a CRW-04 without even breaking into the Complex Light Damage Modifiers. Shield tankers have a better survival rate against the Scramblers than the Plasma Rifle due to the Plasma Rifle being a shield killer. That and the Plasma Rifle does ****** amount of damage with not enough consequence. Do you even scrambler bro? You're all kinds of backwards. Dedicated redline sniper, tower forger, nade spammer, protostomper, and mass driver.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 963	Posted - 2013.11.27 06:48:00 - [19] - Quote Kal Kronos wrote: Do you even scrambler bro? You're all kinds of backwards. That's semi-true. I had mixed the Scrambler (which is a laser, the shield killer) with a projectile (for some reason, which is the armor killer). To correct myself: The Scrambler Rifle is so deadly because *** logic and everything in it and how the lack of sleep causes confusion in my weapon classifying. They are both shield killers, though Scrambler is better at it. SWEET MOTHER OF TERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES BENZ, YOU SOUND LIKE A MAJESTIC FUCKING EAGLE! CAN YOU SING?!
SILVERBACK 02 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 315	Posted - 2013.11.27 07:04:00 - [20] - Quote STRAFFING is a f-aggot tactic! i shouldnt have to adopt such f-aggotory tactics to counter a ridiculously OP weapon.. level 0 forum warrior self-proclaimed slayer weapon of choice: GEK-38 gallante assault rifle -STB infantry

Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1149	Posted - 2013.11.27 07:33:00 - [21] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Boot Booter wrote: All of this is irrelevant. New guns. Nope, the Scrambler is getting a 28m range buff in 1.7, new guns can wait if you're specced into Scramblers With 2.8m sp banked, imma gonna try out the RR anyways :) after having used it for a good half year, i need something diffrent, but about the CRW-4 comment not to ever need an Imperial is incorrect, if i run the CRW in my suit i will have too much CPU & PG left unused, its a waste to leave any point unspend :) After having gotten down to playing with the Templar BPO + suit and +- 500 EHP for most of last week (have been gradually been lowering my overal EHP for the last month orso and getting used to that EHPwith a high TTK system and THEN swapping back to 3x damage mods & an imperial and the AK.0 Assault... do people drop fast :p Also have been using the M8 grenades for extra whammy delivery, nothing says f*ck you as an imperial SCR followed by an M8 grenade to the face to roll a team, (if anyone of that team reads this, it was hilarious getting 4 of you with an M8 grenade) But each time i pick up a carthum assault rifle, i feel no diffrent mowing people down with it, but then when i swap back to the SCR i require a slight re-adjustment time where i miss allot more shots then before i use the ASCR. Whats your take on the ASCR Keri ? Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 174	Posted - 2013.11.27 08:01:00 - [22] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Most people who complain about them has been gang banged by them, and didn't see them coming. If you force them into CQC, an strafe with your AR, you will win unless you are a shield tanker. I mean, the Assault Rifle is far more consistent with the high ammo, good damage, and the Duvolle insta kills. The Scrambler Rifle wins 1 vs 1 most of the time, but they can't stay in combat for very long without switching to their sidearm. Besides, it only outclasses the AR at prototype with the skills at 5 with prof 3, when the militia Assault Rifle is good with no skills to begin with. yea scrams are kind drepy as a mini scout I fear the pistols more, scrams are great for ambushing some one but thats about it.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 1248	Posted - 2013.11.27 08:07:00 - [23] - Quote I would not want to be the guy on the other side of my scram rifle next month, these changes are just crazy. For the Empire Dual tanking is a sin BPO's are bad for economy, Respec's are bad for the game. Want to fight about it?
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1150	Posted - 2013.11.27 08:19:00 - [24] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I would not want to be the guy on the other side of my scram rifle next month, these changes are just crazy. Yeah i wonder how that will play out, because right now on some maps you can effectivly hit things far away really hard, but with all the open spaces and guns shooting so far, am i gonna be dead everytime i cross an open space ? Are we going to see the comeback of Taxi 514 for infantry movement? Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1544	Posted - 2013.11.27 08:37:00 - [25] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: Boot Booter wrote: All of this is irrelevant. New guns. Nope, the Scrambler is getting a 28m range buff in 1.7, new guns can wait if you're specced into Scramblers With 2.8m sp banked, imma gonna try out the RR anyways :) after having used it for a good half year, i need something diffrent, but about the CRW-4 comment not to ever need an Imperial is incorrect, if i run the CRW in my suit i will have too much CPU & PG left unused, its a waste to leave any point unspend :) After having gotten down to playing with the Templar BPO + suit and +- 500 EHP for most of last week (have been gradually been lowering my overal EHP for the last month orso and getting used to that EHPwith a high TTK system and THEN swapping back to 3x damage mods & an imperial and the AK.0 Assault... do people drop fast :p Also have been using the M8 grenades for extra whammy delivery, nothing says fck you as an imperial SCR followed by an M8 grenade to the face to roll a team, (if anyone of that team reads this, it was hilarious getting 4 of you with an M8 grenade) But each time i pick up a carthum assault rifle, i feel no diffrent mowing people down with it, but then when i swap back to the SCR i require a slight re-adjustment time where i miss allot more shots then before i use the ASCR. Whats your take on the ASCR Keri ? Ahahahah true, you Amarr have such an amazing amount of PG and CPU...! Have you ever tried a Caldari Assault? lol. If you haven't, please give it a go on the Fitting Tool, so you can understand my suffering :( I have Core Upgrades, Electronics and Engineering all to Level 5 and still I can't fit a M209... I love the M8. I think that the M8 and the Sleek grenades are the example of how all grenades should be. Either an extremely powerful one with small blast radius for skilled throws, or a "panic" button with low damage and massive AoE. The ASCR? I really like that weapon, much more than my occasional Duvolle AR (I doubt I will be touching the Duvolle any longer, once the Rail Rifle is released). My only problem with the ASCR is that I find difficult to get used to the visual recoil while ADS. I guess I just need more practice with it, but I always end up picking the CRW-04 instead, because I feel very comfortable with it and... to be honest, I think it's more powerful -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"*
Import Beercase Beer For Evil Mercs 67	Posted - 2013.11.27 08:42:00 - [26] - Quote I still see more Ar on killfeed.. I use scrambler rifles on my logi suits because I never run out of ammo with them. I dont usually carry nanohives on my frontline logi suits. Repper and scanners mainly. I cant say which is better for me scr or ar.. Only thing that I have noticed that good scr rifle user usually outshoots ar user in most situations. Maybe its more skill than weapon stats. I am lucky I can just nuke the good ones with my nades... Cant wait to get my hands on those new weapons "If at first you don't succeed, mccdiving is not for you." Take me drunk, I'm home
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1153	Posted - 2013.11.27 08:52:00 - [27] - Quote Quote: Ahahahah true, you Amarr have such an amazing amount of PG and CPU...! Have you ever tried a Caldari Assault? lol. If you haven't, please give it a go on the Fitting Tool, so you can understand my suffering :( I have Core Upgrades, Electronics and Engineering all to Level 5 and still I can't fit a M209... Yeah i have, the suit feels like Quantity over Quality, on my amarr suit i can fit a whole lot of Quality stuff on the caldari i can fit one additional module but its gotta be one of the cheap stuff :p Quote: I love the M8. I think that the M8 and the Sleek grenades are the example of how all grenades should be. Either an extremely powerful one with small blast radius for skilled throws, or a "panic" button with low damage and massive AoE. Thats how they are in most FPS games, i am gonna try sticking to the M8, unless i face a well known Explosive heavy team. Quote: The ASCR? I really like that weapon, much more than my occasional Duvolle AR (I doubt I will be touching the Duvolle any longer, once the Rail Rifle is released). My only problem with the ASCR is that I find difficult to get used to the visual recoil while ADS. I guess I just need more practice with it, but I always end up picking the CRW-04 instead, because I feel very comfortable with it and... to be honest, I think it's more powerful P It used to blind me with each shot the first few weeks, but still on occasion if the opponent is in a dark area, each shot looks as if he cloacks and the only thing you can track is the area below the red bar :p youll get used to it. My Imperial will be my main weapon, but i cant wait to try out the new toys, i might even spec into the mini AR, might be fun having fast RPM with more rounds in the clip :) Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1154	Posted - 2013.11.27 08:59:00 - [28] - Quote Import Beercase wrote: I still see more Ar on killfeed.. I use scrambler rifles on my logi suits because I never run out of ammo with them. I dont usually carry nanohives on my frontline logi suits. Repper and scanners mainly. I cant say which is better for me scr or ar.. Only thing that I have noticed that good scr rifle user usually outshoots ar user in most situations. Maybe its more skill than weapon stats. I am lucky I can just nuke the good ones with my nades... Cant wait to get my hands on those new weapons Somehow i feel i was referenced in this post, especially on the ...Woohoo i am at the frontlines after a 600m jog & sprint ...ACTION TI..."BOOM"...ME ....dang lets spawn nearby .... /thumblewheed blows by as you realise theres no spawn points close Huf it again for 600m on foot .... Ill always remember that grenade Import ...alllwaaaayysss!! Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1547	Posted - 2013.11.27 09:09:00 - [29] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Quote: Ahahahah true, you Amarr have such an amazing amount of PG and CPU...! Have you ever tried a Caldari Assault? lol. If you haven't, please give it a go on the Fitting Tool, so you can understand my suffering :( I have Core Upgrades, Electronics and Engineering all to Level 5 and still I can't fit a M209... Yeah i have, the suit feels like Quantity over Quality, on my amarr suit i can fit a whole lot of Quality stuff on the caldari i can fit one additional module but its gotta be one of the cheap stuff :p Quote: I love the M8. I think that the M8 and the Sleek grenades are the example of how all grenades should be. Either an extremely powerful one with small blast radius for skilled throws, or a "panic" button with low damage and massive AoE. Thats how they are in most FPS games, i am gonna try sticking to the M8, unless i face a well known Explosive heavy team. Quote: The ASCR? I really like that weapon, much more than my occasional Duvolle AR (I doubt I will be touching the Duvolle any longer, once the Rail Rifle is released). My only problem with the ASCR is that I find difficult to get used to the visual recoil while ADS. I guess I just need more practice with it, but I always end up picking the CRW-04 instead, because I feel very comfortable with it and... to be honest, I think it's more powerful P It used to blind me with each shot the first few weeks, but still on occasion if the opponent is in a dark area, each shot looks as if he cloacks and the only thing you can track is the area below the red bar :p youll get used to it. My Imperial will be my main weapon, but i cant wait to try out the new toys, i might even spec into the mini AR, might be fun having fast RPM with more rounds in the clip :) Yes, I'd like to train the Combat Rifle as well! But I have much more stuff to do first, the RR is going to be my number 1 priority and I would like to spare some SP to run a decent tank. Yeah, I try not to call my Gunnlogi because it's almost useless and I end up wasting ISK, but after some time I miss it so much and there is nothing I can do about it. I have to give it a go. So I'm not looking for a competitive tank, I wouldn't bring it in PC, but I need an "ok" tank to run in public games, because I'm absolutely addicted to tanks :( That said, I've noticed that you joined The Rainbow Effect and I'm sad, because I was hoping to have you in our ranks along our Scrambler specialists -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 172	Posted - 2013.11.27 09:10:00 - [30] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Most people who complain about them has been gang banged by them, and didn't see them coming. If you force them into CQC, an strafe with your AR, you will win unless you are a shield tanker. I mean, the Assault Rifle is far more consistent with the high ammo, good damage, and the Duvolle insta kills. The Scrambler Rifle wins 1 vs 1 most of the time, but they can't stay in combat for very long without switching to their sidearm. Besides, it only outclasses the AR at prototype with the skills at 5 with prof 3, when the militia Assault Rifle is good with no skills to begin with. I AGREE, I AGREE, buff the scrambler rifles. NOW CCP. . __ `/.)\ Nade \| Scan Attempt Prevented \| \__/ 514 \| Longest Shot 588 Mtrs \|`

Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1154	Posted - 2013.11.27 09:18:00 - [31] - Quote Quote: That said, I've noticed that you joined The Rainbow Effect and I'm sad, because I was hoping to have you in our ranks along our Scrambler specialists Yeah some top level people in here and they earned allot of respect points from me in the tournament match when we did the gentilmans agreement battle, maybe some day :) Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1548	Posted - 2013.11.27 09:23:00 - [32] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Quote: That said, I've noticed that you joined The Rainbow Effect and I'm sad, because I was hoping to have you in our ranks along our Scrambler specialists Yeah some top level people in here and they earned allot of respect points from me in the tournament match when we did the gentilmans agreement battle, maybe some day :) Ok, I'll respect your choices :) EDIT: Still we should squad up, sometimes. I'd rather be on the friendly side of your Imperial. -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2352	Posted - 2013.11.27 10:13:00 - [33] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: Zekain K wrote: Wrong. less heat built up is produced the faster you fire. So using a rapid controller with the semi SC actually benefits the user by granting them a few more shots before overheating . I tested this with macros on my mouse and this is not true. It's only true in laggy games. The faster you fire, the more shots you can fire before overheat. No.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1156	Posted - 2013.11.27 10:33:00 - [34] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Garth Mandra wrote: Zekain K wrote: Wrong. less heat built up is produced the faster you fire. So using a rapid controller with the semi SC actually benefits the user by granting them a few more shots before overheating . I tested this with macros on my mouse and this is not true. It's only true in laggy games. The faster you fire, the more shots you can fire before overheat. In laggy games, i always get the rubberband effec on my SCR aka i can press the button as much as i want, but its only gonna fire once every 2 seconds. Even in some games with allot of explosions, this randomely drops my shots to be delayed for a moment or so...witch results in missed shots or me being very dead. This issue didnt happen before 1.5 for me, no idea if anyone else has it, its also paired with the feeling of running trough quicksand... Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 274	Posted - 2013.11.27 10:43:00 - [35] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Zekain K wrote: Rail rifle will dominate all! :D probably. Assault Rail Rifle* I think the drawback should be a slightly less DPS, for a longer ranged weapon. And the scrambler rifle to have a higher DPS like it is now, but single fire. BTW to people who rage about people supposedly using rapid fire controllers, the overheat mechanic punishes them, making it harder to them to use effectively. The Combat Rifle should be just have a slightly lower DPS than the Assault Rifle. Its stupid to compare the SCR with an Assault Rifle both have different roles. You have to compare the SCR with the current Tac AR as this weapon fullfills the same role basicly. And here its pretty obvious that the SCR dominates in nearly every aspect so compared to Tac AR it is (slightly OP now) and will definitely OP once the Range buff comes. Just on a side note the amount of shots you can fire with the SCR is close to number of bullets in the Tac AR clip so the Overheating is not an issue if you compare both.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1156	Posted - 2013.11.27 10:52:00 - [36] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Zekain K wrote: Rail rifle will dominate all! :D probably. Assault Rail Rifle* I think the drawback should be a slightly less DPS, for a longer ranged weapon. And the scrambler rifle to have a higher DPS like it is now, but single fire. BTW to people who rage about people supposedly using rapid fire controllers, the overheat mechanic punishes them, making it harder to them to use effectively. The Combat Rifle should be just have a slightly lower DPS than the Assault Rifle. Its stupid to compare the SCR with an Assault Rifle both have different roles. You have to compare the SCR with the current Tac AR as this weapon fullfills the same role basicly. And here its pretty obvious that the SCR dominates in nearly every aspect so compared to Tac AR it is (slightly OP now) and will definitely OP once the Range buff comes. Just on a side note the amount of shots you can fire with the SCR is close to number of bullets in the Tac AR clip so the Overheating is not an issue if you compare both. No but with the Tac, you slap in a new clip at the end, not walk off 5 seconds of overheat....but i am not saying the Tac is fine, it really needs a positive update. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 276	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:08:00 - [37] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Zekain K wrote: Rail rifle will dominate all! :D probably. Assault Rail Rifle* I think the drawback should be a slightly less DPS, for a longer ranged weapon. And the scrambler rifle to have a higher DPS like it is now, but single fire. BTW to people who rage about people supposedly using rapid fire controllers, the overheat mechanic punishes them, making it harder to them to use effectively. The Combat Rifle should be just have a slightly lower DPS than the Assault Rifle. Its stupid to compare the SCR with an Assault Rifle both have different roles. You have to compare the SCR with the current Tac AR as this weapon fullfills the same role basicly. And here its pretty obvious that the SCR dominates in nearly every aspect so compared to Tac AR it is (slightly OP now) and will definitely OP once the Range buff comes. Just on a side note the amount of shots you can fire with the SCR is close to number of bullets in the Tac AR clip so the Overheating is not an issue if you compare both. No but with the Tac, you slap in a new clip at the end, not walk off 5 seconds of overheat....but i am not saying the Tac is fine, it really needs a positive update. My SCR cooled down pretty quickly, maybe not as fast the Tac AR can change a clip. A Tac AR needs 3 secs to releoad and the SCR has a initial cooldown of 6s that goes down to 4.5s just by unlocking the higher tier weapons(operation skill) so the difference is not very big. Additionally the SCR has a few other advantages over the Tac AR. Right now they are both fairly balanced as the Tac has more range and can outgun the SCR in theory but that will change with 1.7. So all the Advantages go for the SCR...
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 856	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:13:00 - [38] - Quote The TacSCR is not good for CQC with 4 or more people. To get yourself into that situation is a mental mistake and will result in death. You can handle your own in a group of people if you have space to work in, but in a hallway or room, you're in a very difficult situation. However, the ASCR can handle that and then some no problem.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1156	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:16:00 - [39] - Quote Quote: My SCR cooled down pretty quickly, maybe not as fast the Tac AR can change a clip. A Tac AR needs 3 secs to releoad and the SCR has a initial cooldown of 6s that goes down to 4.5s just by unlocking the higher tier weapons(operation skill) so the difference is not very big. Yes but you are overseeing the advantage that while the SCR is locked up, the Tac user can sprint, melee, prime a nade, swap to sidearm, and you still have the option to reduce the reload to 2.25s. Quote: Additionally the SCR has a few other advantages over the Tac AR. Right now they are both fairly balanced as the Tac has more range and can outgun the SCR in theory but that will change with 1.7. So all the Advantages go for the SCR. If in 1.7 the ranges stay the same, i hope the Tac goes back to its previous amount of recoil, then even with its shorter range & 18 ammo count but with more zoom fidelity, it would be a really strong gun in the whole medium range department and while the SCR has longer range, its low zoom optics will hamper it at the outer edges of 90m+ I think if they remove that recoil from the Tac it would be back at being a marksmen weapon, right now itgets beat by hipfire duvolles too easely.. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 276	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:28:00 - [40] - Quote You are right Rei the SCR is locked down while the cool down, but all of the points you could do while reloading will cancel the reload so you are still left without ammo afterwards but still in the right situation these things can be livesafer. And seriously I do not beleive the SCR should be the CQC monster it is currently as this was part of the reason why the Tac AR got nerfed. It was simply too good in too many siuations and the same is true for the SCR. From my experiance semi automatic weapons should be medium to long range beasts while the assault variants should be close to midrange beasts.

8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 858	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:29:00 - [41] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: You obviously werent there when i took down 7 guys before i overheated in a hallway :p, i am constantly putting myself inside that what you call mental mistake stuff (3-4 dropsuits in cqc range). the trick is not missing not too many rounds and using ADS in cqc. It gets me a whole lot of QQ mails :/ Edit: But i must say, each mistake i make means i am very very dead, where if i had the ASCR i would still be trucking along. I've demolished 12 people within a 2-3 seconds before. It looked like an Orbital on my post game green dot graph thing. HOWEVER.... they were all starter fits and scout suits... I get greedy as well with the gun and I recieve needless deaths as a result. Unless I'm running my Proto Amarr Assault Imperial fit, or my not so expensive Imperial fit(Amaar Assault A/1); then I play more cautious. But a 10,000 ISK CRW... ballz to the wallz!
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1156	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:36:00 - [42] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: You are right Rei the SCR is locked down while the cool down, but all of the points you could do while reloading will cancel the reload so you are still left without ammo afterwards but still in the right situation these things can be livesafer. And seriously I do not beleive the SCR should be the CQC monster it is currently as this was part of the reason why the Tac AR got nerfed. It was simply too good in too many siuations and the same is true for the SCR. From my experiance semi automatic weapons should be medium to long range beasts while the assault variants should be close to midrange beasts. I think that since there are only 2 variants of the SCR and the AR has 4 and also because the SCR version is the regular AR for the amarr it has more versatility then the 4 distinct diffrent AR's. So while the Tac is a specialized version of the the Auto AR, the SCR is the mainstream Assault Rifle. But for most users, the SCR means death when overheating it while running out of bullets in the Tac means a hassle. But then again, most good SCR users are actually good players, same goes for the Tac rifle users, but a single mistake with my SCR costs 200k isk, with the Tac not so much. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 276	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:37:00 - [43] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Garth Mandra wrote: Zekain K wrote: Wrong. less heat built up is produced the faster you fire. So using a rapid controller with the semi SC actually benefits the user by granting them a few more shots before overheating . I tested this with macros on my mouse and this is not true. It's only true in laggy games. The faster you fire, the more shots you can fire before overheat. The heat build up is based on the time the weapon is fired. So a modded controler can give you more shots as you are able to pull the trigger a lot faster. This has already been tested a few times if I remember correctly.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 276	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:44:00 - [44] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: You are right Rei the SCR is locked down while the cool down, but all of the points you could do while reloading will cancel the reload so you are still left without ammo afterwards but still in the right situation these things can be livesafer. And seriously I do not beleive the SCR should be the CQC monster it is currently as this was part of the reason why the Tac AR got nerfed. It was simply too good in too many siuations and the same is true for the SCR. From my experiance semi automatic weapons should be medium to long range beasts while the assault variants should be close to midrange beasts. I think that since there are only 2 variants of the SCR and the AR has 4 and also because the SCR version is the regular AR for the amarr it has more versatility then the 4 distinct diffrent AR's. So while the Tac is a specialized version of the the Auto AR, the SCR is the mainstream Assault Rifle. But for most users, the SCR means death when overheating it while running out of bullets in the Tac means a hassle. But then again, most good SCR users are actually good players, same goes for the Tac rifle users, but a single mistake with my SCR costs 200k isk, with the Tac not so much. Yes I kow the SCR is the AR for the Amarr but if the SCR act like an normal AR why do they have access to the AsCR as well. The concept is kinda stupid. The SCR should behave like a medium to long range semi automatic gun because thats what it is. And honestly people due to the overheat because they use the SCR as an assault rifle if you use the Range to your advantage the 50HP damage should not kill you. This will only kill you I you have been in a duell in most cases that means CQC.
Grease Spillett Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 103	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:46:00 - [45] - Quote Immediately I thought wtf? Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1156	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:52:00 - [46] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: You are right Rei the SCR is locked down while the cool down, but all of the points you could do while reloading will cancel the reload so you are still left without ammo afterwards but still in the right situation these things can be livesafer. And seriously I do not beleive the SCR should be the CQC monster it is currently as this was part of the reason why the Tac AR got nerfed. It was simply too good in too many siuations and the same is true for the SCR. From my experiance semi automatic weapons should be medium to long range beasts while the assault variants should be close to midrange beasts. I think that since there are only 2 variants of the SCR and the AR has 4 and also because the SCR version is the regular AR for the amarr it has more versatility then the 4 distinct diffrent AR's. So while the Tac is a specialized version of the the Auto AR, the SCR is the mainstream Assault Rifle. But for most users, the SCR means death when overheating it while running out of bullets in the Tac means a hassle. But then again, most good SCR users are actually good players, same goes for the Tac rifle users, but a single mistake with my SCR costs 200k isk, with the Tac not so much. Yes I kow the SCR is the AR for the Amarr but if the SCR act like an normal AR why do they have access to the AsCR as well. The concept is kinda stupid. The SCR should behave like a medium to long range semi automatic gun because thats what it is. And honestly people due to the overheat because they use the SCR as an assault rifle if you use the Range to your advantage the 50HP damage should not kill you. This will only kill you I you have been in a duell in most cases that means CQC. there are allot of inconsistencies in how they make their items, just look at the logi & commando suits, but like i said AR gets 4 guns for one set of skills, amarr only gets 2, so i guess those 2 overlap a bit with the 4 variants. If a new player tries at the SCR and it behaves like a Tac in cqc, my guess is they will never get level 2. I dont think ayone ever said anything about having issues with the damage you get from feedback. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
4447 Resolution XIII 867	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:54:00 - [47] - Quote The gun should be used as a mid to long range weapon. Troll, For lifeGÇª But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 276	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:58:00 - [48] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: If a new player tries at the SCR and it behaves like a Tac in cqc, my guess is they will never get level 2. By that logic you should give sniper the same ROF like the SCR . The weapons description clearly says its a semi automatic weapon and honestly people should know what that means. Rei Shepard wrote: I dont think ayone ever said anything about having issues with the damage you get from feedback. Hmm maybe I misread the part when you said most users die when they overheat the gun I guess I translated this pretty much forward to the feedback damage lol.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1156	Posted - 2013.11.27 12:09:00 - [49] - Quote Quote: By that logic you should give sniper the same ROF like the SCR Shocked. The weapons description clearly says its a semi automatic weapon and honestly people should know what that means. there is still enough destinction between an AR(Ar & scr) and an actual sniper rifle to warrant diffrent mechanics... Quote: Hmm maybe I misread the part when you said most users die when they overheat the gun I guess I translated this pretty much forward to the feedback damage lol. what I really meant is that i die from Plasma Poissening somewhere between the 0-5 seconds when i overheat my gun :) unless its a real big scrub letting me cool down while hitting the air around me. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 277	Posted - 2013.11.27 12:30:00 - [50] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: what I really meant is that i die from Plasma Poissening somewhere between the 0-5 seconds when i overheat my gun :) unless its a real big scrub letting me cool down while hitting the air around me. Yeah after reading your answer I already guessed that ^^

Import Beercase Beer For Evil Mercs 69	Posted - 2013.11.27 12:31:00 - [51] - Quote [/quote] what I really meant is that i die from Plasma Poissening somewhere between the 0-5 seconds when i overheat my gun :) unless its a real big scrub letting me cool down while hitting the air around me.[/quote] Referring to me? "If at first you don't succeed, mccdiving is not for you." Take me drunk, I'm home
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1158	Posted - 2013.11.27 12:33:00 - [52] - Quote Import Beercase wrote: what I really meant is that i die from Plasma Poissening somewhere between the 0-5 seconds when i overheat my gun :) unless its a real big scrub letting me cool down while hitting the air around me.[/quote] Referring to me? [/quote] No not in particular...you would have blown me up with a nade meanwhile :) Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1097	Posted - 2013.11.28 03:22:00 - [53] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: Honestly, no, it's not. When compared to the Duvolle? No. AR = Easier. SCR = Better. I'm running a Logistic A/1 with Scrambler Fifle Proficiency 3 and 2 Complex Damage mods. Let me tell you that I can't even find a real use for the Imperial, it would be a totally unnecessary and ridiculous overkill. I can't imagine how I would need something more powerful than a CRW-04. Yeah, PC. Note that I'm not saying it's OP. ^ This. I'm using my Imperial on an ADV suit just because I like to see "Imperial" on the kill feed. It's somehow...cooler than "CRW-04" . __ `/.)\ spamming these = you have no opinion in anything Dust 514 related` \ __ /
Tectonic Fusion 617	Posted - 2013.11.28 15:15:00 - [54] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: Honestly, no, it's not. When compared to the Duvolle? No. AR = Easier. SCR = Better. I'm running a Logistic A/1 with Scrambler Fifle Proficiency 3 and 2 Complex Damage mods. Let me tell you that I can't even find a real use for the Imperial, it would be a totally unnecessary and ridiculous overkill. I can't imagine how I would need something more powerful than a CRW-04. Yeah, PC. Note that I'm not saying it's OP. ^ This. I'm using my Imperial on an ADV suit just because I like to see "Imperial" on the kill feed. It's somehow...cooler than "CRW-04" Yeah. I would use the 'Templar' Scrambler Rifle, but I don't have one... Solo Player Squad status: Locked
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1534	Posted - 2013.11.28 15:27:00 - [55] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: The reason the Scrambler Rifle is such a ** machine is because people armor tank, which the Scramblers eat for breakfast. You can one shot a lot of medium suits with the charge of a CRW-04 without even breaking into the Complex Light Damage Modifiers. Shield tankers have a better survival rate against the Scramblers than the Plasma Rifle due to the Plasma Rifle being a shield killer. That and the Plasma Rifle does ****** amount of damage with not enough consequence. Ah right nice, so what game does that happen in? Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 679	Posted - 2013.11.28 15:40:00 - [56] - Quote Rei: Did you hear that a breach scrambler rifle is on CCPs roadmap? Sounds kinda awesome. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Tectonic Fusion 617	Posted - 2013.11.28 16:37:00 - [57] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Rei: Did you hear that a breach scrambler rifle is on CCPs roadmap? Sounds kinda awesome. Charge shot Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1689	Posted - 2013.11.28 16:38:00 - [58] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Most people who complain about them has been gang banged by them, and didn't see them coming. If you force them into CQC, an strafe with your AR, you will win unless you are a shield tanker. I mean, the Assault Rifle is far more consistent with the high ammo, good damage, and the Duvolle insta kills. The Scrambler Rifle wins 1 vs 1 most of the time, but they can't stay in combat for very long without switching to their sidearm. Besides, it only outclasses the AR at prototype with the skills at 5 with prof 3, when the militia Assault Rifle is good with no skills to begin with. There will probably be less QQ when they fix the SCR overheat glitch. LINK Yup. That glitch breaks the primary disadvantage to the weapons advantages. Refunding a few AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1689	Posted - 2013.11.28 16:40:00 - [59] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Rei: Did you hear that a breach scrambler rifle is on CCPs roadmap? Sounds kinda awesome. Charge shot watch they remove that for higher regular fire. I like it. Refunding a few AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore
Tectonic Fusion 617	Posted - 2013.11.28 16:46:00 - [60] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Rei: Did you hear that a breach scrambler rifle is on CCPs roadmap? Sounds kinda awesome. Charge shot watch they remove that for higher regular fire. I like it. I'm fine as long the breach does more damage than a Thales Solo Player Squad status: Locked

Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 135	Posted - 2013.11.28 16:48:00 - [61] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: The reason the Scrambler Rifle is such a ** machine is because people armor tank, which the Scramblers eat for breakfast. You can one shot a lot of medium suits with the charge of a CRW-04 without even breaking into the Complex Light Damage Modifiers. Shield tankers have a better survival rate against the Scramblers than the Plasma Rifle due to the Plasma Rifle being a shield killer. That and the Plasma Rifle does ****** amount of damage with not enough consequence. You have that backwards son. Scramblers are shield weapons. People shield tank and that is why they get spanked. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Tectonic Fusion 618	Posted - 2013.11.28 16:51:00 - [62] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: The reason the Scrambler Rifle is such a ** machine is because people armor tank, which the Scramblers eat for breakfast. You can one shot a lot of medium suits with the charge of a CRW-04 without even breaking into the Complex Light Damage Modifiers. Shield tankers have a better survival rate against the Scramblers than the Plasma Rifle due to the Plasma Rifle being a shield killer. That and the Plasma Rifle does **** amount of damage with not enough consequence. You have that backwards son. Scramblers are shield weapons. People shield tank and that is why they get spanked. I thought people armor tank now... Anyway, even armor tankers rage at me even though it takes longer for me to kill them than everyone else, and I overheat if I fight more than one of them. Solo Player Squad status: Locked**
AfroSunshineY Consequence R 0 N 1 N 190	Posted - 2013.11.28 17:14:00 - [63] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: The reason the Scrambler Rifle is such a ** machine is because people armor tank, which the Scramblers eat for breakfast. You can one shot a lot of medium suits with the charge of a CRW-04 without even breaking into the Complex Light Damage Modifiers. Shield tankers have a better survival rate against the Scramblers than the Plasma Rifle due to the Plasma Rifle being a shield killer. That and the Plasma Rifle does ****** amount of damage with not enough consequence. ^^^^ Knows Close to nothing about Dust. Probably an AR bro.
AfroSunshineY Consequence R 0 N 1 N 190	Posted - 2013.11.28 17:15:00 - [64] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Kal Kronos wrote: Do you even scrambler bro? You're all kinds of backwards. That's semi-true. I had mixed the Scrambler (which is a laser, the shield killer) with a projectile (for some reason, which is the armor killer). To correct myself: The Scrambler Rifle is so deadly because *** logic and everything in it and how the lack of sleep causes confusion in my weapon classifying. They are both shield killers, though Scrambler is better at it. Much better
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 193	Posted - 2013.11.28 17:36:00 - [65] - Quote And if it were much better it would be justified, with its pg/cpu being much higher Christ is lord Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now. Even salads taste good deepfried..mmm grease
Tectonic Fusion 623	Posted - 2013.11.28 21:07:00 - [66] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: And if it were much better it would be justified, with its pg/cpu being much higher Another one of its disadvantages. If it is OP in the right hands, the CPU/PG should surely make up for it, plus all the other stuff... Solo Player Squad status: Locked


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