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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
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Posted - 2013.11.27 10:43:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Zekain K wrote:Rail rifle will dominate all! :D
probably. Assault Rail Rifle* I think the drawback should be a slightly less DPS, for a longer ranged weapon. And the scrambler rifle to have a higher DPS like it is now, but single fire. BTW to people who rage about people supposedly using rapid fire controllers, the overheat mechanic punishes them, making it harder to them to use effectively. The Combat Rifle should be just have a slightly lower DPS than the Assault Rifle.
Its stupid to compare the SCR with an Assault Rifle both have different roles. You have to compare the SCR with the current Tac AR as this weapon fullfills the same role basicly.
And here its pretty obvious that the SCR dominates in nearly every aspect so compared to Tac AR it is (slightly OP now) and will definitely OP once the Range buff comes.
Just on a side note the amount of shots you can fire with the SCR is close to number of bullets in the Tac AR clip so the Overheating is not an issue if you compare both. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.27 11:08:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Zekain K wrote:Rail rifle will dominate all! :D
probably. Assault Rail Rifle* I think the drawback should be a slightly less DPS, for a longer ranged weapon. And the scrambler rifle to have a higher DPS like it is now, but single fire. BTW to people who rage about people supposedly using rapid fire controllers, the overheat mechanic punishes them, making it harder to them to use effectively. The Combat Rifle should be just have a slightly lower DPS than the Assault Rifle. Its stupid to compare the SCR with an Assault Rifle both have different roles. You have to compare the SCR with the current Tac AR as this weapon fullfills the same role basicly. And here its pretty obvious that the SCR dominates in nearly every aspect so compared to Tac AR it is (slightly OP now) and will definitely OP once the Range buff comes. Just on a side note the amount of shots you can fire with the SCR is close to number of bullets in the Tac AR clip so the Overheating is not an issue if you compare both. No but with the Tac, you slap in a new clip at the end, not walk off 5 seconds of overheat....but i am not saying the Tac is fine, it really needs a positive update.
My SCR cooled down pretty quickly, maybe not as fast the Tac AR can change a clip.
A Tac AR needs 3 secs to releoad and the SCR has a initial cooldown of 6s that goes down to 4.5s just by unlocking the higher tier weapons(operation skill) so the difference is not very big.
Additionally the SCR has a few other advantages over the Tac AR. Right now they are both fairly balanced as the Tac has more range and can outgun the SCR in theory but that will change with 1.7. So all the Advantages go for the SCR...
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
276
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Posted - 2013.11.27 11:28:00 -
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You are right Rei the SCR is locked down while the cool down, but all of the points you could do while reloading will cancel the reload so you are still left without ammo afterwards but still in the right situation these things can be livesafer.
And seriously I do not beleive the SCR should be the CQC monster it is currently as this was part of the reason why the Tac AR got nerfed. It was simply too good in too many siuations and the same is true for the SCR.
From my experiance semi automatic weapons should be medium to long range beasts while the assault variants should be close to midrange beasts. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.27 11:37:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Garth Mandra wrote:Zekain K wrote:Wrong. less heat built up is produced the faster you fire. So using a rapid controller with the semi SC actually benefits the user by granting them a few more shots before overheating .
I tested this with macros on my mouse and this is not true. It's only true in laggy games. The faster you fire, the more shots you can fire before overheat.
The heat build up is based on the time the weapon is fired. So a modded controler can give you more shots as you are able to pull the trigger a lot faster. This has already been tested a few times if I remember correctly. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.27 11:44:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:You are right Rei the SCR is locked down while the cool down, but all of the points you could do while reloading will cancel the reload so you are still left without ammo afterwards but still in the right situation these things can be livesafer.
And seriously I do not beleive the SCR should be the CQC monster it is currently as this was part of the reason why the Tac AR got nerfed. It was simply too good in too many siuations and the same is true for the SCR.
From my experiance semi automatic weapons should be medium to long range beasts while the assault variants should be close to midrange beasts. I think that since there are only 2 variants of the SCR and the AR has 4 and also because the SCR version is the regular AR for the amarr it has more versatility then the 4 distinct diffrent AR's. So while the Tac is a specialized version of the the Auto AR, the SCR is the mainstream Assault Rifle. But for most users, the SCR means death when overheating it while running out of bullets in the Tac means a hassle. But then again, most good SCR users are actually good players, same goes for the Tac rifle users, but a single mistake with my SCR costs 200k isk, with the Tac not so much.
Yes I kow the SCR is the AR for the Amarr but if the SCR act like an normal AR why do they have access to the AsCR as well. The concept is kinda stupid. The SCR should behave like a medium to long range semi automatic gun because thats what it is.
And honestly people due to the overheat because they use the SCR as an assault rifle if you use the Range to your advantage the 50HP damage should not kill you. This will only kill you I you have been in a duell in most cases that means CQC. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.27 11:58:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:
If a new player tries at the SCR and it behaves like a Tac in cqc, my guess is they will never get level 2.
By that logic you should give sniper the same ROF like the SCR  . The weapons description clearly says its a semi automatic weapon and honestly people should know what that means.
Rei Shepard wrote:
I dont think ayone ever said anything about having issues with the damage you get from feedback.
Hmm maybe I misread the part when you said most users die when they overheat the gun I guess I translated this pretty much forward to the feedback damage lol.
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.27 12:30:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:
what I really meant is that i die from Plasma Poissening somewhere between the 0-5 seconds when i overheat my gun :) unless its a real big scrub letting me cool down while hitting the air around me.
Yeah after reading your answer I already guessed that ^^ |
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