DUST Search - The scrambler rifle is overrated...

Korvin Lomont wrote:

Rei Shepard wrote:

Korvin Lomont wrote:

You are right Rei the SCR is locked down while the cool down, but all of the points you could do while reloading will cancel the reload so you are still left without ammo afterwards but still in the right situation these things can be livesafer.

And seriously I do not beleive the SCR should be the CQC monster it is currently as this was part of the reason why the Tac AR got nerfed. It was simply too good in too many siuations and the same is true for the SCR.

From my experiance semi automatic weapons should be medium to long range beasts while the assault variants should be close to midrange beasts.

I think that since there are only 2 variants of the SCR and the AR has 4 and also because the SCR version is the regular AR for the amarr it has more versatility then the 4 distinct diffrent AR's.

So while the Tac is a specialized version of the the Auto AR, the SCR is the mainstream Assault Rifle.

But for most users, the SCR means death when overheating it while running out of bullets in the Tac means a hassle.
But then again, most good SCR users are actually good players, same goes for the Tac rifle users, but a single mistake with my SCR costs 200k isk, with the Tac not so much.

Yes I kow the SCR is the AR for the Amarr but if the SCR act like an normal AR why do they have access to the AsCR as well. The concept is kinda stupid. The SCR should behave like a medium to long range semi automatic gun because thats what it is.

And honestly people due to the overheat because they use the SCR as an assault rifle if you use the Range to your advantage the 50HP damage should not kill you. This will only kill you I you have been in a duell in most cases that means CQC.


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Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1149	Posted - 2013.11.27 07:33:00 - [1] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Boot Booter wrote: All of this is irrelevant. New guns. Nope, the Scrambler is getting a 28m range buff in 1.7, new guns can wait if you're specced into Scramblers With 2.8m sp banked, imma gonna try out the RR anyways :) after having used it for a good half year, i need something diffrent, but about the CRW-4 comment not to ever need an Imperial is incorrect, if i run the CRW in my suit i will have too much CPU & PG left unused, its a waste to leave any point unspend :) After having gotten down to playing with the Templar BPO + suit and +- 500 EHP for most of last week (have been gradually been lowering my overal EHP for the last month orso and getting used to that EHPwith a high TTK system and THEN swapping back to 3x damage mods & an imperial and the AK.0 Assault... do people drop fast :p Also have been using the M8 grenades for extra whammy delivery, nothing says f*ck you as an imperial SCR followed by an M8 grenade to the face to roll a team, (if anyone of that team reads this, it was hilarious getting 4 of you with an M8 grenade) But each time i pick up a carthum assault rifle, i feel no diffrent mowing people down with it, but then when i swap back to the SCR i require a slight re-adjustment time where i miss allot more shots then before i use the ASCR. Whats your take on the ASCR Keri ? Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1150	Posted - 2013.11.27 08:19:00 - [2] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I would not want to be the guy on the other side of my scram rifle next month, these changes are just crazy. Yeah i wonder how that will play out, because right now on some maps you can effectivly hit things far away really hard, but with all the open spaces and guns shooting so far, am i gonna be dead everytime i cross an open space ? Are we going to see the comeback of Taxi 514 for infantry movement? Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1153	Posted - 2013.11.27 08:52:00 - [3] - Quote Quote: Ahahahah true, you Amarr have such an amazing amount of PG and CPU...! Have you ever tried a Caldari Assault? lol. If you haven't, please give it a go on the Fitting Tool, so you can understand my suffering :( I have Core Upgrades, Electronics and Engineering all to Level 5 and still I can't fit a M209... Yeah i have, the suit feels like Quantity over Quality, on my amarr suit i can fit a whole lot of Quality stuff on the caldari i can fit one additional module but its gotta be one of the cheap stuff :p Quote: I love the M8. I think that the M8 and the Sleek grenades are the example of how all grenades should be. Either an extremely powerful one with small blast radius for skilled throws, or a "panic" button with low damage and massive AoE. Thats how they are in most FPS games, i am gonna try sticking to the M8, unless i face a well known Explosive heavy team. Quote: The ASCR? I really like that weapon, much more than my occasional Duvolle AR (I doubt I will be touching the Duvolle any longer, once the Rail Rifle is released). My only problem with the ASCR is that I find difficult to get used to the visual recoil while ADS. I guess I just need more practice with it, but I always end up picking the CRW-04 instead, because I feel very comfortable with it and... to be honest, I think it's more powerful P It used to blind me with each shot the first few weeks, but still on occasion if the opponent is in a dark area, each shot looks as if he cloacks and the only thing you can track is the area below the red bar :p youll get used to it. My Imperial will be my main weapon, but i cant wait to try out the new toys, i might even spec into the mini AR, might be fun having fast RPM with more rounds in the clip :) Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1154	Posted - 2013.11.27 08:59:00 - [4] - Quote Import Beercase wrote: I still see more Ar on killfeed.. I use scrambler rifles on my logi suits because I never run out of ammo with them. I dont usually carry nanohives on my frontline logi suits. Repper and scanners mainly. I cant say which is better for me scr or ar.. Only thing that I have noticed that good scr rifle user usually outshoots ar user in most situations. Maybe its more skill than weapon stats. I am lucky I can just nuke the good ones with my nades... Cant wait to get my hands on those new weapons Somehow i feel i was referenced in this post, especially on the ...Woohoo i am at the frontlines after a 600m jog & sprint ...ACTION TI..."BOOM"...ME ....dang lets spawn nearby .... /thumblewheed blows by as you realise theres no spawn points close Huf it again for 600m on foot .... Ill always remember that grenade Import ...alllwaaaayysss!! Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1154	Posted - 2013.11.27 09:18:00 - [5] - Quote Quote: That said, I've noticed that you joined The Rainbow Effect and I'm sad, because I was hoping to have you in our ranks along our Scrambler specialists Yeah some top level people in here and they earned allot of respect points from me in the tournament match when we did the gentilmans agreement battle, maybe some day :) Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1156	Posted - 2013.11.27 10:33:00 - [6] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Garth Mandra wrote: Zekain K wrote: Wrong. less heat built up is produced the faster you fire. So using a rapid controller with the semi SC actually benefits the user by granting them a few more shots before overheating . I tested this with macros on my mouse and this is not true. It's only true in laggy games. The faster you fire, the more shots you can fire before overheat. In laggy games, i always get the rubberband effec on my SCR aka i can press the button as much as i want, but its only gonna fire once every 2 seconds. Even in some games with allot of explosions, this randomely drops my shots to be delayed for a moment or so...witch results in missed shots or me being very dead. This issue didnt happen before 1.5 for me, no idea if anyone else has it, its also paired with the feeling of running trough quicksand... Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1156	Posted - 2013.11.27 10:52:00 - [7] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Zekain K wrote: Rail rifle will dominate all! :D probably. Assault Rail Rifle* I think the drawback should be a slightly less DPS, for a longer ranged weapon. And the scrambler rifle to have a higher DPS like it is now, but single fire. BTW to people who rage about people supposedly using rapid fire controllers, the overheat mechanic punishes them, making it harder to them to use effectively. The Combat Rifle should be just have a slightly lower DPS than the Assault Rifle. Its stupid to compare the SCR with an Assault Rifle both have different roles. You have to compare the SCR with the current Tac AR as this weapon fullfills the same role basicly. And here its pretty obvious that the SCR dominates in nearly every aspect so compared to Tac AR it is (slightly OP now) and will definitely OP once the Range buff comes. Just on a side note the amount of shots you can fire with the SCR is close to number of bullets in the Tac AR clip so the Overheating is not an issue if you compare both. No but with the Tac, you slap in a new clip at the end, not walk off 5 seconds of overheat....but i am not saying the Tac is fine, it really needs a positive update. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1156	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:16:00 - [8] - Quote Quote: My SCR cooled down pretty quickly, maybe not as fast the Tac AR can change a clip. A Tac AR needs 3 secs to releoad and the SCR has a initial cooldown of 6s that goes down to 4.5s just by unlocking the higher tier weapons(operation skill) so the difference is not very big. Yes but you are overseeing the advantage that while the SCR is locked up, the Tac user can sprint, melee, prime a nade, swap to sidearm, and you still have the option to reduce the reload to 2.25s. Quote: Additionally the SCR has a few other advantages over the Tac AR. Right now they are both fairly balanced as the Tac has more range and can outgun the SCR in theory but that will change with 1.7. So all the Advantages go for the SCR. If in 1.7 the ranges stay the same, i hope the Tac goes back to its previous amount of recoil, then even with its shorter range & 18 ammo count but with more zoom fidelity, it would be a really strong gun in the whole medium range department and while the SCR has longer range, its low zoom optics will hamper it at the outer edges of 90m+ I think if they remove that recoil from the Tac it would be back at being a marksmen weapon, right now itgets beat by hipfire duvolles too easely.. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1156	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:36:00 - [9] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: You are right Rei the SCR is locked down while the cool down, but all of the points you could do while reloading will cancel the reload so you are still left without ammo afterwards but still in the right situation these things can be livesafer. And seriously I do not beleive the SCR should be the CQC monster it is currently as this was part of the reason why the Tac AR got nerfed. It was simply too good in too many siuations and the same is true for the SCR. From my experiance semi automatic weapons should be medium to long range beasts while the assault variants should be close to midrange beasts. I think that since there are only 2 variants of the SCR and the AR has 4 and also because the SCR version is the regular AR for the amarr it has more versatility then the 4 distinct diffrent AR's. So while the Tac is a specialized version of the the Auto AR, the SCR is the mainstream Assault Rifle. But for most users, the SCR means death when overheating it while running out of bullets in the Tac means a hassle. But then again, most good SCR users are actually good players, same goes for the Tac rifle users, but a single mistake with my SCR costs 200k isk, with the Tac not so much. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1156	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:52:00 - [10] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: You are right Rei the SCR is locked down while the cool down, but all of the points you could do while reloading will cancel the reload so you are still left without ammo afterwards but still in the right situation these things can be livesafer. And seriously I do not beleive the SCR should be the CQC monster it is currently as this was part of the reason why the Tac AR got nerfed. It was simply too good in too many siuations and the same is true for the SCR. From my experiance semi automatic weapons should be medium to long range beasts while the assault variants should be close to midrange beasts. I think that since there are only 2 variants of the SCR and the AR has 4 and also because the SCR version is the regular AR for the amarr it has more versatility then the 4 distinct diffrent AR's. So while the Tac is a specialized version of the the Auto AR, the SCR is the mainstream Assault Rifle. But for most users, the SCR means death when overheating it while running out of bullets in the Tac means a hassle. But then again, most good SCR users are actually good players, same goes for the Tac rifle users, but a single mistake with my SCR costs 200k isk, with the Tac not so much. Yes I kow the SCR is the AR for the Amarr but if the SCR act like an normal AR why do they have access to the AsCR as well. The concept is kinda stupid. The SCR should behave like a medium to long range semi automatic gun because thats what it is. And honestly people due to the overheat because they use the SCR as an assault rifle if you use the Range to your advantage the 50HP damage should not kill you. This will only kill you I you have been in a duell in most cases that means CQC. there are allot of inconsistencies in how they make their items, just look at the logi & commando suits, but like i said AR gets 4 guns for one set of skills, amarr only gets 2, so i guess those 2 overlap a bit with the 4 variants. If a new player tries at the SCR and it behaves like a Tac in cqc, my guess is they will never get level 2. I dont think ayone ever said anything about having issues with the damage you get from feedback. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"

Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1156	Posted - 2013.11.27 12:09:00 - [11] - Quote Quote: By that logic you should give sniper the same ROF like the SCR Shocked. The weapons description clearly says its a semi automatic weapon and honestly people should know what that means. there is still enough destinction between an AR(Ar & scr) and an actual sniper rifle to warrant diffrent mechanics... Quote: Hmm maybe I misread the part when you said most users die when they overheat the gun I guess I translated this pretty much forward to the feedback damage lol. what I really meant is that i die from Plasma Poissening somewhere between the 0-5 seconds when i overheat my gun :) unless its a real big scrub letting me cool down while hitting the air around me. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1158	Posted - 2013.11.27 12:33:00 - [12] - Quote Import Beercase wrote: what I really meant is that i die from Plasma Poissening somewhere between the 0-5 seconds when i overheat my gun :) unless its a real big scrub letting me cool down while hitting the air around me.[/quote] Referring to me? [/quote] No not in particular...you would have blown me up with a nade meanwhile :) Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"