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Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 156	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:34:00 - [1] - Quote Assault suits starting off with uplinks dropping them down , run to supply depot switch to another suit with another type of uplinks .. drop them down .. do the same again .. then go back and start doing this with nanohives .. then after nanohives have been done they'll go back and switch to a Scanner or something else ... this completely nullifies the point of having 3 equipment slots .. it seems to just mean that you don't have to change into as many different suits at a supply depot Remove the Equipment slot off Assault suits .. why do they need it If they are supposed to be the 'slayer' role and no one else can do that role then they shouldn't be able to use any equipment because that is a logi's job ... Any Logi nerf has to be introduced with the Assault suits losing their equipment slot My Theme
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1502	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:36:00 - [2] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Assault suits starting off with uplinks dropping them down , run to supply depot switch to another suit with another type of uplinks .. drop them down .. do the same again .. then go back and start doing this with nanohives .. then after nanohives have been done they'll go back and switch to a Scanner or something else ... this completely nullifies the point of having 3 equipment slots .. it seems to just mean that you don't have to change into as many different suits at a supply depot Remove the Equipment slot off Assault suits .. why do they need it If they are supposed to be the 'slayer' role and no one else can do that role then they shouldn't be able to use any equipment because that is a logi's job ... Any Logi nerf has to be introduced with the Assault suits losing their equipment slot Agreed, if people want more definition with roles then this should happen. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4044	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:37:00 - [3] - Quote You're forgetting that requires a supply depot. By that logic logis shouldn't have any weapons at all because they can use turret installations. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2371	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:37:00 - [4] - Quote Yeah, because spending a good 30% of the match placing equipment that will be used up about one minute later is totally going to be the new meta. Been Logistics since before it was cool.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 936	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:37:00 - [5] - Quote No. The logistic suit is an open minded suit. Its problem is that it preforms better than the other specialized suits. It's "too good". Why run scout when you can run logistic and have better stats? Why run assault when the logistic does everything better? The equipment slot on the Assault makes since BECAUSE it is Assault. Anybody going to the front lines will either have a hive or a scanner. Both are combat oriented. SWEET MOTHER OF TERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES BENZ, YOU SOUND LIKE A MAJESTIC FUCKING EAGLE! CAN YOU SING?!
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 2007	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:38:00 - [6] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Assault suits starting off with uplinks dropping them down , run to supply depot switch to another suit with another type of uplinks .. drop them down .. do the same again .. then go back and start doing this with nanohives .. then after nanohives have been done they'll go back and switch to a Scanner or something else ... this completely nullifies the point of having 3 equipment slots .. it seems to just mean that you don't have to change into as many different suits at a supply depot Remove the Equipment slot off Assault suits .. why do they need it If they are supposed to be the 'slayer' role and no one else can do that role then they shouldn't be able to use any equipment because that is a logi's job ... Any Logi nerf has to be introduced with the Assault suits losing their equipment slot Agreed, this has to happen if they want to nerf logis Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1502	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:38:00 - [7] - Quote In fact if we are going down that route heavies shouldn't be able to use light weapons either. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Hecarim Van Hohen Knights of Eternal Darkness 261	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:40:00 - [8] - Quote Running back and forth like that wastes time, use logistic for that for faster deployment of equipment. Assault having a single equipment slot is not that big of a deal since my logi can hold 3 and my assault suit likes the STD nanohive it carries. D-í¦¦¦¦i-ó¦¦¦+¦¿¦ºv-ë-£i-ë¦ó¦¦d¦ò-Ç¦íe¦¦-ë-í¦ò-ó ¦ò¦+-üw¦¿¦¦e-ü -ë¦òs¦¢¦+t-Å¦+-£a¦¢-án-¥¦¢-ƒ¦¢d-ü-í-ó¦ó-ó ¦¦u-ÿ-ó¦¦¦+n-ÿ-í¦¦-ü-ëi¦ó-ó-Pt-Å-Åe¦º-Å-Çd-Å-ó -ü-ÿ-ü-íw¦¿-¥-£¦í-ëe¦¦-ÿ-ü -í-ü¦óf-ía¦¢¦+-P¦í-ól-ƒ¦ó
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1502	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:41:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: You're forgetting that requires a supply depot. By that logic logis shouldn't have any weapons at all because they can use turret installations. Not in the slightest, that's not role definition, that's just you taking it to extremes. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 802	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:43:00 - [10] - Quote Just remove the logistic's grenade slot and all will be well in the dust world. The logistic then will have 1 weapon and three to four equipment to the Assault suits 3 weapons and one equipment (Light, sidearm, grenade) Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7990	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:43:00 - [11] - Quote You should only be able to deploy the maximum number of any given equipment as determined by the strongest equipments number of active uses. So if you had 3 different uplinks, two that allowed 2 to be dropped, and one that allowed 3, you could only have a maximum of 3 at any given time, so long as you were using the better uplinks. Otherwise, you'd only have 2. Same goes for nano hives. This whole nonsense of flooding the field with equipment is precisely that: nonsense. Read / Vid / Stream
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4044	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:45:00 - [12] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: You're forgetting that requires a supply depot. By that logic logis shouldn't have any weapons at all because they can use turret installations. Not in the slightest, that's not role definition, that's just you taking it to extremes. Is it? Supply depots allow you to do a logis job, but way slower (4 times to go to a location to do what a logi can do once). Turret installations give you tons of firepower, at the cost of mobility. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1503	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:49:00 - [13] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: You're forgetting that requires a supply depot. By that logic logis shouldn't have any weapons at all because they can use turret installations. Not in the slightest, that's not role definition, that's just you taking it to extremes. Is it? Supply depots allow you to do a logis job, but way slower (4 times to go to a location to do what a logi can do once). Turret installations give you tons of firepower, at the cost of mobility. Saying logis should only use turrets, did I really just have to point that out? Are you a troll teenybopper? Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4045	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:53:00 - [14] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: You're forgetting that requires a supply depot. By that logic logis shouldn't have any weapons at all because they can use turret installations. Not in the slightest, that's not role definition, that's just you taking it to extremes. Is it? Supply depots allow you to do a logis job, but way slower (4 times to go to a location to do what a logi can do once). Turret installations give you tons of firepower, at the cost of mobility. Saying logis should only use turrets, did I really just have to point that out? Are you a troll teenybopper? Logis can still use a weapon no? That's like assaults only having one equipment. Did I really have to point that out? Are you a troll? Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Chewie Parker Black Phoenix Mercenaries 61	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:53:00 - [15] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: No. The logistic suit is an open minded suit. Its problem is that it preforms better than the other specialized suits. It's "too good". Why run scout when you can run logistic and have better stats? Why run assault when the logistic does everything better? The equipment slot on the Assault makes since BECAUSE it is Assault. Anybody going to the front lines will either have a hive or a scanner. Both are combat oriented. you assault guy's have to play fair now , if we lose a weapon , then its only fair to take away your equiptment slot and then you'll need logistic support ,, cant have everything your way now can we
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1503	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:55:00 - [16] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: You're forgetting that requires a supply depot. By that logic logis shouldn't have any weapons at all because they can use turret installations. Not in the slightest, that's not role definition, that's just you taking it to extremes. Is it? Supply depots allow you to do a logis job, but way slower (4 times to go to a location to do what a logi can do once). Turret installations give you tons of firepower, at the cost of mobility. Saying logis should only use turrets, did I really just have to point that out? Are you a troll teenybopper? Logis can still use a weapon no? That's like assaults only having one equipment. Did I really have to point that out? Are you a troll? You spout nothing but conjecture, nothing worth even thinking about. Why don't you push for assaults to get buffed instead of trying to gimp logis? Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 157	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:56:00 - [17] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: You're forgetting that requires a supply depot. By that logic logis shouldn't have any weapons at all because they can use turret installations. Turret Installations aren't built into your suit and everyone can use them .. It's a fair trade in my opinion .. assault suits get to be slayers and logi's get to logi ... if you don;t have equipment then logi's are more needed to fulfill their role and carry hives uplinks etc .. this will incentivise logi's being logi's and assault just being able to focus solely on assaulting, I really don't see the problem that you have with it My Theme
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1504	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:59:00 - [18] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: You're forgetting that requires a supply depot. By that logic logis shouldn't have any weapons at all because they can use turret installations. Turret Installations aren't built into your suit and everyone can use them .. It's a fair trade in my opinion .. assault suits get to be slayers and logi's get to logi ... if you don;t have equipment then logi's are more needed to fulfill their role and carry hives uplinks etc .. this will incentivise logi's being logi's and assault just being able to focus solely on assaulting, I really don't see the problem that you have with it Exactly. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4046	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:00:00 - [19] - Quote Chewie Parker wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: No. The logistic suit is an open minded suit. Its problem is that it preforms better than the other specialized suits. It's "too good". Why run scout when you can run logistic and have better stats? Why run assault when the logistic does everything better? The equipment slot on the Assault makes since BECAUSE it is Assault. Anybody going to the front lines will either have a hive or a scanner. Both are combat oriented. you assault guy's have to play fair now , if we lose a weapon , then its only fair to take away your equiptment slot and then you'll need logistic support ,, cant have everything your way now can we That's like nerfing the TAC AR and then nerfing every single weapon, because can't nerf the TAC AR without nerfing all other weapons. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4046	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:01:00 - [20] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: You spout nothing but conjecture, nothing worth even thinking about. Why don't you push for assaults to get buffed instead of trying to gimp logis? I don't even think you understand the words you use. Also, I am pushing for a logi nerf because it would have the same net effect as buffing assaults, scouts and heavies (buffing assaults would require to buff the others), but one requires more work than the other. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.

Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3857	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:02:00 - [21] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Assault suits starting off with uplinks dropping them down , run to supply depot switch to another suit with another type of uplinks .. drop them down .. do the same again .. then go back and start doing this with nanohives .. then after nanohives have been done they'll go back and switch to a Scanner or something else ... this completely nullifies the point of having 3 equipment slots .. it seems to just mean that you don't have to change into as many different suits at a supply depot Remove the Equipment slot off Assault suits .. why do they need it If they are supposed to be the 'slayer' role and no one else can do that role then they shouldn't be able to use any equipment because that is a logi's job ... Any Logi nerf has to be introduced with the Assault suits losing their equipment slot Well, I and many others I've seen carry Nanite Injectors, for instance. I figure I can leave the repping to Logi suits but having as many needles as possible keeps the team up and running and helps us win. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4046	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:02:00 - [22] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: You're forgetting that requires a supply depot. By that logic logis shouldn't have any weapons at all because they can use turret installations. Turret Installations aren't built into your suit and everyone can use them .. It's a fair trade in my opinion .. assault suits get to be slayers and logi's get to logi ... if you don;t have equipment then logi's are more needed to fulfill their role and carry hives uplinks etc .. this will incentivise logi's being logi's and assault just being able to focus solely on assaulting, I really don't see the problem that you have with it Supply depots aren't built into your suit. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 159	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:02:00 - [23] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: You're forgetting that requires a supply depot. By that logic logis shouldn't have any weapons at all because they can use turret installations. Not in the slightest, that's not role definition, that's just you taking it to extremes. Is it? Supply depots allow you to do a logis job, but way slower (4 times to go to a location to do what a logi can do once). Turret installations give you tons of firepower, at the cost of mobility. Saying logis should only use turrets, did I really just have to point that out? Are you a troll teenybopper? Logis can still use a weapon no? That's like assaults only having one equipment. Did I really have to point that out? Are you a troll? Sorry Cat but you sound like a nerf everything but the assault suit and don;t nerf my suit kinda guy ... If you want defined roles then thats fine, im a true logi anyway but I have always disliked assaults having an equipment slot .. if you have 2 logis in your squad with equipment you don't need assaults with equipment as well ... if you want assaults to be the ones doign the killing then why do they need equipment ? Logi's can scan, drop hives, rep, revive, place remotes etc etc whilst you can get on with killing people My Theme
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1504	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:05:00 - [24] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: You spout nothing but conjecture, nothing worth even thinking about. Why don't you push for assaults to get buffed instead of trying to gimp logis? I don't even think you understand the words you use. Also, I am pushing for a logi nerf because it would have the same net effect as buffing assaults, scouts and heavies (buffing assaults would require to buff the others), but one requires more work than the other. Nice try, no buffing assault is better because actual logis like myself don't get gimped and assaults would be better at assault than any logi used for slaying, think about it. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4046	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:05:00 - [25] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Sorry Cat but you sound like a nerf everything but the assault suit and don;t nerf my suit kinda guy ... If you want defined roles then thats fine, im a true logi anyway but I have always disliked assaults having an equipment slot .. if you have 2 logis in your squad with equipment you don't need assaults with equipment as well ... if you want assaults to be the ones doign the killing then why do they need equipment ? Logi's can scan, drop hives, rep, revive, place remotes etc etc whilst you can get on with killing people Am I calling for a heavy nerf? A scout nerf? No, I am calling for a logi nerf because they are fricking OP. As for the rest of the post, it's because logis still expect to keep weapons and grenades. If you want assaults to have no equipment at all, then give up your weapons and grenades completely. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 159	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:06:00 - [26] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: You're forgetting that requires a supply depot. By that logic logis shouldn't have any weapons at all because they can use turret installations. Turret Installations aren't built into your suit and everyone can use them .. It's a fair trade in my opinion .. assault suits get to be slayers and logi's get to logi ... if you don;t have equipment then logi's are more needed to fulfill their role and carry hives uplinks etc .. this will incentivise logi's being logi's and assault just being able to focus solely on assaulting, I really don't see the problem that you have with it Supply depots aren't built into your suit. Facepalm Trolling because you don;t like anything nerfing your suit I proposed a fair trade off in acceptance of the logi suit being given a more defined role and this is what you resort too when I've tried being reasonable with you My Theme
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4046	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:06:00 - [27] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: You spout nothing but conjecture, nothing worth even thinking about. Why don't you push for assaults to get buffed instead of trying to gimp logis? I don't even think you understand the words you use. Also, I am pushing for a logi nerf because it would have the same net effect as buffing assaults, scouts and heavies (buffing assaults would require to buff the others), but one requires more work than the other. Nice try, no buffing assault is better because actual logis like myself don't get gimped and assaults would be better at assault than any logi used for slaying, think about it. Uhh... Gimped compared to who? Assaults? They would be buffed, so compartively, logis would be gimped. Think about it. Let me give you an analogy: Four numbers need to be equal. 5 5 5 9 You could either add 4 to all but the 9. Or subtract 4 from the 9. The net effect is the same, but the first one requires more work. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4046	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:07:00 - [28] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: You're forgetting that requires a supply depot. By that logic logis shouldn't have any weapons at all because they can use turret installations. Turret Installations aren't built into your suit and everyone can use them .. It's a fair trade in my opinion .. assault suits get to be slayers and logi's get to logi ... if you don;t have equipment then logi's are more needed to fulfill their role and carry hives uplinks etc .. this will incentivise logi's being logi's and assault just being able to focus solely on assaulting, I really don't see the problem that you have with it Supply depots aren't built into your suit. Facepalm Trolling because you don;t like anything nerfing your suit I proposed a fair trade off in acceptance of the logi suit being given a more defined role and this is what you resort too when I've tried being reasonable with you Really? Because the entire point of this thread is that assaults can use supply depots to do the job of logis. I just showed how logis can do the job of assaults. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1504	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:07:00 - [29] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Sorry Cat but you sound like a nerf everything but the assault suit and don;t nerf my suit kinda guy ... If you want defined roles then thats fine, im a true logi anyway but I have always disliked assaults having an equipment slot .. if you have 2 logis in your squad with equipment you don't need assaults with equipment as well ... if you want assaults to be the ones doign the killing then why do they need equipment ? Logi's can scan, drop hives, rep, revive, place remotes etc etc whilst you can get on with killing people Am I calling for a heavy nerf? A scout nerf? No, I am calling for a logi nerf because they are fricking OP. As for the rest of the post, it's because logis still expect to keep weapons and grenades. If you want assaults to have no equipment at all, then give up your weapons and grenades completely. Why nerf the logi when a buffed assault would keep everyone happy, a buffed assault would mean even slayer logis are sub par than assault. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 159	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:08:00 - [30] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Sorry Cat but you sound like a nerf everything but the assault suit and don;t nerf my suit kinda guy ... If you want defined roles then thats fine, im a true logi anyway but I have always disliked assaults having an equipment slot .. if you have 2 logis in your squad with equipment you don't need assaults with equipment as well ... if you want assaults to be the ones doign the killing then why do they need equipment ? Logi's can scan, drop hives, rep, revive, place remotes etc etc whilst you can get on with killing people Am I calling for a heavy nerf? A scout nerf? No, I am calling for a logi nerf because they are fricking OP. As for the rest of the post, it's because logis still expect to keep weapons and grenades. If you want assaults to have no equipment at all, then give up your weapons and grenades completely. Okay I don;t use grenades anyway and I only run a Gek so I can fit full proto equipment and proto tank mods ... I have proto cal assault and proto cal logi .. i just switch to my assault suit when I want to kill and use my logi as support seriously Take the logi weapon and grenade slots away ... My Theme

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4046	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:09:00 - [31] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Sorry Cat but you sound like a nerf everything but the assault suit and don;t nerf my suit kinda guy ... If you want defined roles then thats fine, im a true logi anyway but I have always disliked assaults having an equipment slot .. if you have 2 logis in your squad with equipment you don't need assaults with equipment as well ... if you want assaults to be the ones doign the killing then why do they need equipment ? Logi's can scan, drop hives, rep, revive, place remotes etc etc whilst you can get on with killing people Am I calling for a heavy nerf? A scout nerf? No, I am calling for a logi nerf because they are fricking OP. As for the rest of the post, it's because logis still expect to keep weapons and grenades. If you want assaults to have no equipment at all, then give up your weapons and grenades completely. Why nerf the logi when a buffed assault would keep everyone happy, a buffed assault would mean even slayer logis are sub par than assault. It's called power creep nub. You can't just buff EVERYTHING because one thing is OP. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 160	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:09:00 - [32] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: You're forgetting that requires a supply depot. By that logic logis shouldn't have any weapons at all because they can use turret installations. Turret Installations aren't built into your suit and everyone can use them .. It's a fair trade in my opinion .. assault suits get to be slayers and logi's get to logi ... if you don;t have equipment then logi's are more needed to fulfill their role and carry hives uplinks etc .. this will incentivise logi's being logi's and assault just being able to focus solely on assaulting, I really don't see the problem that you have with it Supply depots aren't built into your suit. Facepalm Trolling because you don;t like anything nerfing your suit I proposed a fair trade off in acceptance of the logi suit being given a more defined role and this is what you resort too when I've tried being reasonable with you Really? Because the entire point of this thread is that assaults can use supply depots to do the job of logis. I just showed how logis can do the job of assaults. Do assaults stand in remote places of the map shooting at people and not able to hack or cover any points ? No .. point is flawed My Theme
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4046	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:10:00 - [33] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Sorry Cat but you sound like a nerf everything but the assault suit and don;t nerf my suit kinda guy ... If you want defined roles then thats fine, im a true logi anyway but I have always disliked assaults having an equipment slot .. if you have 2 logis in your squad with equipment you don't need assaults with equipment as well ... if you want assaults to be the ones doign the killing then why do they need equipment ? Logi's can scan, drop hives, rep, revive, place remotes etc etc whilst you can get on with killing people Am I calling for a heavy nerf? A scout nerf? No, I am calling for a logi nerf because they are fricking OP. As for the rest of the post, it's because logis still expect to keep weapons and grenades. If you want assaults to have no equipment at all, then give up your weapons and grenades completely. Okay I don;t use grenades anyway and I only run a Gek so I can fit full proto equipment and proto tank mods ... I have proto cal assault and proto cal logi .. i just switch to my assault suit when I want to kill and use my logi as support seriously Take the logi weapon and grenade slots away ... Then I would be fine with no equipment on assault. However, I still think logis should have a sidearm, in which case assaults would keep 1 equipment. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 856	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:12:00 - [34] - Quote sure if logi's are going to be forced to do nothing but logi..and not shoot weapons or kill at all why should assault suits get to carry equipment +1
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4046	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:12:00 - [35] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Really? Because the entire point of this thread is that assaults can use supply depots to do the job of logis. I just showed how logis can do the job of assaults. Do assaults stand in remote places of the map shooting at people and not able to hack or cover any points ? No .. point is flawed[/quote] Do logis run around supply depots in a remote corner of the map? No, point is flawed. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 160	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:12:00 - [36] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Sorry Cat but you sound like a nerf everything but the assault suit and don;t nerf my suit kinda guy ... If you want defined roles then thats fine, im a true logi anyway but I have always disliked assaults having an equipment slot .. if you have 2 logis in your squad with equipment you don't need assaults with equipment as well ... if you want assaults to be the ones doign the killing then why do they need equipment ? Logi's can scan, drop hives, rep, revive, place remotes etc etc whilst you can get on with killing people Am I calling for a heavy nerf? A scout nerf? No, I am calling for a logi nerf because they are fricking OP. As for the rest of the post, it's because logis still expect to keep weapons and grenades. If you want assaults to have no equipment at all, then give up your weapons and grenades completely. Okay I don;t use grenades anyway and I only run a Gek so I can fit full proto equipment and proto tank mods ... I have proto cal assault and proto cal logi .. i just switch to my assault suit when I want to kill and use my logi as support seriously Take the logi weapon and grenade slots away ... Then I would be fine with no equipment on assault. However, I still think logis should have a sidearm, in which case assaults would keep 1 equipment. HELL NO you aren't keeping that equipment slot if the logi suit gets nerfed .. i will fight you til the very end to make sure you lose it There is no way the logi suit is getting nerfed further if the assault suit keeps its equipment slot My Theme
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1504	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:13:00 - [37] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Sorry Cat but you sound like a nerf everything but the assault suit and don;t nerf my suit kinda guy ... If you want defined roles then thats fine, im a true logi anyway but I have always disliked assaults having an equipment slot .. if you have 2 logis in your squad with equipment you don't need assaults with equipment as well ... if you want assaults to be the ones doign the killing then why do they need equipment ? Logi's can scan, drop hives, rep, revive, place remotes etc etc whilst you can get on with killing people Am I calling for a heavy nerf? A scout nerf? No, I am calling for a logi nerf because they are fricking OP. As for the rest of the post, it's because logis still expect to keep weapons and grenades. If you want assaults to have no equipment at all, then give up your weapons and grenades completely. Why nerf the logi when a buffed assault would keep everyone happy, a buffed assault would mean even slayer logis are sub par than assault. It's called power creep nub. You can't just buff EVERYTHING because one thing is OP. Why not though? Logis are happy with their suits, why change that when you can buff the assault to be better and even better than any slayer logi? And compared to me you are the nub, I have almost 3 times the kills, wp and better k/d than you with almost 23mil sp so be quiet. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 160	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:16:00 - [38] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Really? Because the entire point of this thread is that assaults can use supply depots to do the job of logis. I just showed how logis can do the job of assaults. Do assaults stand in remote places of the map shooting at people and not able to hack or cover any points ? No .. point is flawed Do logis run around supply depots in a remote corner of the map? No, point is flawed.[/quote] Now I know your trolling When you go to a supply depot and wait for this because you still don;t seem to understand this ... you can change your suit and then .. seriously this will blow your mind ... MOVE TO WHERE YOU WANT TO PLACE THE EQUIPMENT ... and then go back to the supply depot switch to another suit and then .. wait for this again in case you still aren;t getting it ... MOVE TO WHERE YOU WANT TO PLACE THE EQUIPMENT !!! Logi's role is to place equipment Assault's role is to kill and attack/defend/hack objectives .. if you are comparing manning a turret to being an assault then you are clearly not playing assault properley My Theme
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1504	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:18:00 - [39] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Really? Because the entire point of this thread is that assaults can use supply depots to do the job of logis. I just showed how logis can do the job of assaults. Do assaults stand in remote places of the map shooting at people and not able to hack or cover any points ? No .. point is flawed Do logis run around supply depots in a remote corner of the map? No, point is flawed.[/quote] Hold on, that's your post, you are arguing with yourself now, that's the icing on the cake for me, I'm now simply going to ignore anything you ever post. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 162	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:20:00 - [40] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Really? Because the entire point of this thread is that assaults can use supply depots to do the job of logis. I just showed how logis can do the job of assaults. Do assaults stand in remote places of the map shooting at people and not able to hack or cover any points ? No .. point is flawed Hold on, that's your post, you are arguing with yourself now, that's the icing on the cake for me, I'm now simply going to ignore anything you ever post. He messed up the quote thing and so when i quoted him it didn;t show up as his quote either .. I can forgive something like that but in all honesty after reading his replies on this thread I dont; think i'm ever going to take him seriously again .. he seems to want 1 thing nerfed to define roles better yet wont accept assaults being changed so that a logi's role is defined too My Theme

TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1505	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:21:00 - [41] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Really? Because the entire point of this thread is that assaults can use supply depots to do the job of logis. I just showed how logis can do the job of assaults. Do assaults stand in remote places of the map shooting at people and not able to hack or cover any points ? No .. point is flawed Hold on, that's your post, you are arguing with yourself now, that's the icing on the cake for me, I'm now simply going to ignore anything you ever post. No I deleted the quote thing .. it was actually Cat Mercs post I know, he tried to make it look like you posted it, ridiculous. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1505	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:24:00 - [42] - Quote I think the fix is to buff assaults, that way us logis stay happy, assaults get happy and if done right no slayer logi statistically will do better than an assault but player skill will always be a factor. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 162	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:24:00 - [43] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Really? Because the entire point of this thread is that assaults can use supply depots to do the job of logis. I just showed how logis can do the job of assaults. Do assaults stand in remote places of the map shooting at people and not able to hack or cover any points ? No .. point is flawed Hold on, that's your post, you are arguing with yourself now, that's the icing on the cake for me, I'm now simply going to ignore anything you ever post. No I deleted the quote thing .. it was actually Cat Mercs post I know, he tried to make it look like you posted it, ridiculous. What a d1ck he is being ... I offer him a fair compromise and he resorts to trolling because he doesn't like it ... he is just liek all the other QQ nerf this nerf that people .. he has obviously been killed alot by logi's (because he sucks) and wants them nerfing so he can do better when the actual problem is that .. he sucks xD My Theme
PADDEHATPIGEN BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 96	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:27:00 - [44] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: You're forgetting that requires a supply depot. By that logic logis shouldn't have any weapons at all because they can use turret installations. Shield regen modules are useless no matter what you play and so is shield regulaters. Armor tanking IS the only form of tanking there is.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4048	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:31:00 - [45] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Sorry Cat but you sound like a nerf everything but the assault suit and don;t nerf my suit kinda guy ... If you want defined roles then thats fine, im a true logi anyway but I have always disliked assaults having an equipment slot .. if you have 2 logis in your squad with equipment you don't need assaults with equipment as well ... if you want assaults to be the ones doign the killing then why do they need equipment ? Logi's can scan, drop hives, rep, revive, place remotes etc etc whilst you can get on with killing people Am I calling for a heavy nerf? A scout nerf? No, I am calling for a logi nerf because they are fricking OP. As for the rest of the post, it's because logis still expect to keep weapons and grenades. If you want assaults to have no equipment at all, then give up your weapons and grenades completely. Okay I don;t use grenades anyway and I only run a Gek so I can fit full proto equipment and proto tank mods ... I have proto cal assault and proto cal logi .. i just switch to my assault suit when I want to kill and use my logi as support seriously Take the logi weapon and grenade slots away ... Then I would be fine with no equipment on assault. However, I still think logis should have a sidearm, in which case assaults would keep 1 equipment. HELL NO you aren't keeping that equipment slot if the logi suit gets nerfed .. i will fight you til the very end to make sure you lose it There is no way the logi suit is getting nerfed further if the assault suit keeps its equipment slot So basically... You want to keep an OP suit OP? Seems legit. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4048	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:32:00 - [46] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Why not though? Logis are happy with their suits, why change that when you can buff the assault to be better and even better than any slayer logi? And compared to me you are the nub, I have almost 3 times the kills, wp and better k/d than you with almost 23mil sp so be quiet. Kills? That just means you spend more time in the game, wup da ******* do. Same for WP. My K/D has been rising steadily, but as I said, I don't play this game enough. If I did, my K/D would be at 5 because that's how much I get on average in matches. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 464	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:33:00 - [47] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I think the fix is to buff assaults, that way us logis stay happy, assaults get happy and if done right no slayer logi statistically will do better than an assault but player skill will always be a factor. And Heavies ??? Oh and scouts should just stay at home and knit.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4048	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:33:00 - [48] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Really? Because the entire point of this thread is that assaults can use supply depots to do the job of logis. I just showed how logis can do the job of assaults. Do assaults stand in remote places of the map shooting at people and not able to hack or cover any points ? No .. point is flawed Hold on, that's your post, you are arguing with yourself now, that's the icing on the cake for me, I'm now simply going to ignore anything you ever post. No I deleted the quote thing .. it was actually Cat Mercs post I know, he tried to make it look like you posted it, ridiculous. No.. It's just me failing to delete previous quotes. There were too many quotes so I had to delete them. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1506	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:34:00 - [49] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I think the fix is to buff assaults, that way us logis stay happy, assaults get happy and if done right no slayer logi statistically will do better than an assault but player skill will always be a factor. And Heavies ??? Oh and scouts should just stay at home and knit. They need a buff but that's a different topic. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4048	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:34:00 - [50] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Really? Because the entire point of this thread is that assaults can use supply depots to do the job of logis. I just showed how logis can do the job of assaults. Do assaults stand in remote places of the map shooting at people and not able to hack or cover any points ? No .. point is flawed Do logis run around supply depots in a remote corner of the map? No, point is flawed. Now I know your trolling When you go to a supply depot and wait for this because you still don;t seem to understand this ... you can change your suit and then .. seriously this will blow your mind ... MOVE TO WHERE YOU WANT TO PLACE THE EQUIPMENT ... and then go back to the supply depot switch to another suit and then .. wait for this again in case you still aren;t getting it ... MOVE TO WHERE YOU WANT TO PLACE THE EQUIPMENT !!! Logi's role is to place equipment Assault's role is to kill and attack/defend/hack objectives .. if you are comparing manning a turret to being an assault then you are clearly not playing assault properley and hardly surprising that your calling for a nerf because they keep killing you lol[/quote] But that takes time. Let's say it's 200m away from the supply depot? By the time you do that, the match would be half way done. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4048	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:37:00 - [51] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: What a d1ck he is being ... I offer him a fair compromise and he resorts to trolling because he doesn't like it ... he is just liek all the other QQ nerf this nerf that people .. he has obviously been killed alot by logi's (because he sucks) and wants them nerfing so he can do better when the actual problem is that .. he sucks xD What exactly do you want to do to the logis? It's relative. If you keep them with just a sidearm, then fine, remove the equipment from the assault. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4048	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:38:00 - [52] - Quote BTW, you might want to stop saying I'm trolling, because I am not doing that right now. If I am, I make it obvious after a successful troll. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 164	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:39:00 - [53] - Quote As I have already told you countless times Cat Merc .. the Logi suit isn;t OP if players us it as an actual logi suit, the problem is assault users not using any equipment and fitting it as an assault ... when I fit proto equipment on my logi suit I can;t run proto weapon/grenades and have to use 2 low slots for cpu and PG to equip complex shield extenders and a regulator and 2 enhanced armour plates ... Force logi suits to have to fill all equipment slots and give the assault suit better bonuses and the problem will be fixed ... you seem to want some kind of uber nerf to make them useless at killing people and if that happens then Assaults suits should lose their equipment slot I have both proto cal assault and proto cal logi and guess what .. my assault suit is better at assaultign than my logi suit .. because I fit them as an assault suit and a logi suit .. if someone fits a logi suit as an assault suit then it will obviously be good at assaulting My Theme
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4049	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:41:00 - [54] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: As I have already told you countless times Cat Merc .. the Logi suit isn;t OP if players us it as an actual logi suit, the problem is assault users not using any equipment and fitting it as an assault ... when I fit proto equipment on my logi suit I can;t run proto weapon/grenades and have to use 2 low slots for cpu and PG to equip complex shield extenders and a regulator and 2 enhanced armour plates ... Force logi suits to have to fill all equipment slots and give the assault suit better bonuses and the problem will be fixed ... you seem to want some kind of uber nerf to make them useless at killing people and if that happens then Assaults suits should lose their equipment slot I have both proto cal assault and proto cal logi and guess what .. my assault suit is better at assaultign than my logi suit .. because I fit them as an assault suit and a logi suit .. if someone fits a logi suit as an assault suit then it will obviously be good at assaulting You have no idea what kind of nerf a removal of equipment is. Equipment is HUGE, that's the number one reason I don't run heavies. It needs to be a huge nerf to logis to justifiy a removal of equipment from assaults. Give logis sidearms only and then I would agree. P.S: My Gal Logi laughs at your first point. It is both an amazing combat suit (way better than my Gal Assault) and is still rocking proto equipment. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Morathi III Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:44:00 - [55] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I think the fix is to buff assaults, that way us logis stay happy, assaults get happy and if done right no slayer logi statistically will do better than an assault but player skill will always be a factor. Such a bad idea.... And the scout? And the Heavy, your post doesnt make any sens at alll, you got a garbage logic on this one, you can just fix one suit instead of 3 cmon Tech
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 1552	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:45:00 - [56] - Quote You're all about defining roles when one of the caracteristic trait of Dust was to be able to play what we like the way we choose to do it. So, you prefer to play Teamfortress 514? Greedy Bastards' Hate Lord
Chewie Parker Black Phoenix Mercenaries 62	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:46:00 - [57] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Chewie Parker wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: No. The logistic suit is an open minded suit. Its problem is that it preforms better than the other specialized suits. It's "too good". Why run scout when you can run logistic and have better stats? Why run assault when the logistic does everything better? The equipment slot on the Assault makes since BECAUSE it is Assault. Anybody going to the front lines will either have a hive or a scanner. Both are combat oriented. you assault guy's have to play fair now , if we lose a weapon , then its only fair to take away your equiptment slot and then you'll need logistic support ,, cant have everything your way now can we That's like nerfing the TAC AR and then nerfing every single weapon, because can't nerf the TAC AR without nerfing all other weapons. please explain that comment , its nothing like that . you guys want the logi to be a logi , then ok lets take this "adjustment" not nerf . and turn the logi into a support player , but then you have assaults carrying equipement , i think not , you want support , we'll bring it . so in that case you guys don't need an epuipement slot , because now you have the logi you all want . you become (like the heavy) assault only , and we bring the support , i have no problem with that
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1507	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:46:00 - [58] - Quote Morathi III wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I think the fix is to buff assaults, that way us logis stay happy, assaults get happy and if done right no slayer logi statistically will do better than an assault but player skill will always be a factor. Such a bad idea.... And the scout? And the Heavy, your post doesnt make any sens at alll, you got a garbage logic on this one Not at all, buffing scouts and heavies is a separate topic, read the thread title. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 82	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:46:00 - [59] - Quote logistics (Concise Encyclopedia) In military science, all the activities of armed-force units in support of combat units, including transport, supply, communications, and medical aid. The term, first used by Henri Jomini, Alfred Thayer Mahan, and others, was adopted by the U.S. military in World War I and gained currency in other nations in World War II. Its importance grew in the 20th century with the increasing complexity of modern warfare. The ability to mobilize large populations has escalated military demands for supplies and provisions, and sophisticated technology has added to the cost and intricacy of weapons, communications systems, and medical care, creating the need for a vast network of support systems. In World War II, for instance, only about three in 10 U.S. soldiers served in a combat role. lo-+gis-+tics noun plural but singular or plural in construction \l+ì--êjis-tiks, l+Ö-\ : the things that must be done to plan and organize a complicated activity or event that involves many people Full Definition of LOGISTICS 1 : the aspect of military science dealing with the procurement, maintenance, and transportation of military mat+¬riel, facilities, and personnel 2 : the handling of the details of an operation corps-+man noun \-êko¦çr(z)-m+Ön\ Definition of CORPSMAN 1 : an enlisted man trained to give first aid and minor medical treatment 2 : a member of a government-sponsored service corps CCP this is stupid all these people want to do is get back to assault fights and they dont want any other class being combat effective never mind that I have 32 million sp 17 million just in dropsuit upgrades. Like Ive said before it takes way more sp to achieve these results and I help my team. If you mess with the Amarr Logi Then I would request that you fix the Amarr assault and give it another low slot at proto level....I also think its funny in a reverse psycological way these people want the 2nd equipment slot back on the assault or more grenade slots when the commando has none. As far as Logi slayers (Galente Logi) that setup cost 280K ISK people arent rocking that fit as often as the QQ's or the braggers that say they have alot of cash are putting on. If you change the Logistics dropsuit to say only carry side arm you can forget about this game going anywhere no one will play logi there will be no more nano hives no more rep tools no more uplinks no more proto scanners. I am not going to waste sp into Drop suit upgrades as Ill now be playing assault and I dont need all that equipment.You can forget about this game even resembling EVE at all..... Im not going to do any support so squad leads can glory ***** off my SP with OB's while I get killed 10 times in a pub match losing ISK on fits and a loss to my KDR...LOL Fuckin get real. Logi's are out killing assaults because these players are the oldest players with that much SP to make the suit combat effective with LVL5 PROFICIENCIES to WEAPONS.......WORKING AS INTENDED HTFU Get like us an get you a logi suit and cross class...oh wait you dont want to support the team at all. You're only concerned about your own kill count and your own personal stats you 1 dimensional scrubs. CCP with Veteren players playing Logi you also help out the newbs which helps to continue healthy player population....I dont know where in that definition up there it says that a Logistics Specialist is just a medic bullet sponge.... Closed Beta Tester since Crater Lake My motto regarding haters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8gAb3uc6fk
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4049	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:47:00 - [60] - Quote Chewie Parker wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Chewie Parker wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: No. The logistic suit is an open minded suit. Its problem is that it preforms better than the other specialized suits. It's "too good". Why run scout when you can run logistic and have better stats? Why run assault when the logistic does everything better? The equipment slot on the Assault makes since BECAUSE it is Assault. Anybody going to the front lines will either have a hive or a scanner. Both are combat oriented. you assault guy's have to play fair now , if we lose a weapon , then its only fair to take away your equiptment slot and then you'll need logistic support ,, cant have everything your way now can we That's like nerfing the TAC AR and then nerfing every single weapon, because can't nerf the TAC AR without nerfing all other weapons. please explain that comment , its nothing like that . you guys want the logi to be a logi , then ok lets take this "adjustment" not nerf . and turn the logi into a support player , but then you have assaults carrying equipement , i think not , you want support , we'll bring it . so in that case you guys don't need an epuipement slot , because now you have the logi you all want . you become (like the heavy) assault only , and we bring the support , i have no problem with that It depends on how much of a nerf. It seems logis still want to be sort of competitive (not as good but still capable). In that case I say no to equipment removal. But the logi ends up with stuff like sidearm only then yes, remove the equipment. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.

Morathi III Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:48:00 - [61] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Morathi III wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I think the fix is to buff assaults, that way us logis stay happy, assaults get happy and if done right no slayer logi statistically will do better than an assault but player skill will always be a factor. Such a bad idea.... And the scout? And the Heavy, your post doesnt make any sens at alll, you got a garbage logic on this one Not at all, buffing scouts and heavies is a separate topic, read the thread title. One instead of 3 , if you reduce high low of logi you can less EHP tank and focus on your role
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4049	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:50:00 - [62] - Quote Evicer wrote: logistics (Concise Encyclopedia) In military science, all the activities of armed-force units in support of combat units, including transport, supply, communications, and medical aid. The term, first used by Henri Jomini, Alfred Thayer Mahan, and others, was adopted by the U.S. military in World War I and gained currency in other nations in World War II. Its importance grew in the 20th century with the increasing complexity of modern warfare. The ability to mobilize large populations has escalated military demands for supplies and provisions, and sophisticated technology has added to the cost and intricacy of weapons, communications systems, and medical care, creating the need for a vast network of support systems. In World War II, for instance, only about three in 10 U.S. soldiers served in a combat role. lo-+gis-+tics noun plural but singular or plural in construction \l+ì--êjis-tiks, l+Ö-\ : the things that must be done to plan and organize a complicated activity or event that involves many people Full Definition of LOGISTICS 1 : the aspect of military science dealing with the procurement, maintenance, and transportation of military mat+¬riel, facilities, and personnel 2 : the handling of the details of an operation corps-+man noun \-êko¦çr(z)-m+Ön\ Definition of CORPSMAN 1 : an enlisted man trained to give first aid and minor medical treatment 2 : a member of a government-sponsored service corps CCP this is stupid all these people want to do is get back to assault fights and they dont want any other class being combat effective never mind that I have 32 million sp 17 million just in dropsuit upgrades. Like Ive said before it takes way more sp to achieve these results and I help my team. If you mess with the Amarr Logi Then I would request that you fix the Amarr assault and give it another low slot at proto level....I also think its funny in a reverse psycological way these people want the 2nd equipment slot back on the assault or more grenade slots when the commando has none. As far as Logi slayers (Galente Logi) that setup cost 280K ISK people arent rocking that fit as often as the QQ's or the braggers that say they have alot of cash are putting on. If you change the Logistics dropsuit to say only carry side arm you can forget about this game going anywhere no one will play logi there will be no more nano hives no more rep tools no more uplinks no more proto scanners. I am not going to waste sp into Drop suit upgrades as Ill now be playing assault and I dont need all that equipment.You can forget about this game even resembling EVE at all..... Im not going to do any support so squad leads can glory ***** off my SP with OB's while I get killed 10 times in a pub match losing ISK on fits and a loss to my KDR...LOL Fuckin get real. Logi's are out killing assaults because these players are the oldest players with that much SP to make the suit combat effective with LVL5 PROFICIENCIES to WEAPONS.......WORKING AS INTENDED HTFU Get like us an get you a logi suit and cross class...oh wait you dont want to support the team at all. You're only concerned about your own kill count and your own personal stats you 1 dimensional scrubs. CCP with Veteren players playing Logi you also help out the newbs which helps to continue healthy player population....I dont know where in that definition up there it says that a Logistics Specialist is just a medic bullet sponge.... So basically... Logis cost more hence they should be straight up better Also, Amarr Assault would be OP with an extra low slot. It has the highest CPU/PG. Highest base HP. Scout level Stamina. Is an omni tank with no real weakness. It's an awesome suit, the removal of the low slot and speed reduction is more than made up by these. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cpt Merdock The Exemplars Top Men. 129	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:51:00 - [63] - Quote Most people I know that used to be assault players back in Chrome, that now use Logi suits all said the same thing when asked why they chose it. Logi's have more slots, and that 5 second passive repair rate once you are level 5. This allows logis to dual tank better because they dont need to use repair mods, also if you dont use side arms you have no need to use an assault suit if you can tank better on logi. In the logi's defence, minmitar logi's are significantly less effective as "slayers" than the other logi's. Amarr is suppose to be a combat medic, Gallente and Caldari logi's however tend to be the more popular dual tank choices. At least 85% of my deaths are by users of those suits. Hell I know people that claim to be assault guys but wear Gal logi. Gal logi gets the equipment bonus so it allows you to dual tank with armour and damage mods, then throw on decent equipment as well. Using an assault suit has only two advantages: you are slightly faster, and you have a side-arm with each race variant. That is simply not enough for most people to want to use the assault suit. There needs to be an incentive to use assault suits, the shield recharge bonus is only good for caldari. Give the people a reason to use assault suits and they will be used, making logi suits used less frequently, making them seem less OP. Just like mass drivers, people say they are OP, but its because they were used a lot. Now they arent used as much and no one cries for a nerf, yet the gun wasnt altered. Furthermore, I agree with Cat, I am a logi suit user and I think assault suits need to be given some sort of reason to want to use it. Now it would be less work to just nerf logi's but less work doesnt mean the right decision. In my opinion the heavy and the scout need a buff as well. On a side note, I would like for the minmitar logi to become more balanced with the rest of the logi's, ever since Gal logi was given the extra slot totalling them at 4 slots the Minmitar logi lost its most appealing feature. Hacking bonus is nice, but who needs that when you can stack 3 damage mods and have 700 armour, AND good equipment. Minmitars are faster so armour tanking defeats their purpose and the base shield is 90 so tanking in shields wouldnt be smart, so I guess you can say the only "true" logi's are Minmitar :P since they cant have cake and ice cream at the same time where as the other suits can.
Chewie Parker Black Phoenix Mercenaries 63	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:52:00 - [64] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Chewie Parker wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Chewie Parker wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: No. The logistic suit is an open minded suit. Its problem is that it preforms better than the other specialized suits. It's "too good". Why run scout when you can run logistic and have better stats? Why run assault when the logistic does everything better? The equipment slot on the Assault makes since BECAUSE it is Assault. Anybody going to the front lines will either have a hive or a scanner. Both are combat oriented. you assault guy's have to play fair now , if we lose a weapon , then its only fair to take away your equiptment slot and then you'll need logistic support ,, cant have everything your way now can we That's like nerfing the TAC AR and then nerfing every single weapon, because can't nerf the TAC AR without nerfing all other weapons. please explain that comment , its nothing like that . you guys want the logi to be a logi , then ok lets take this "adjustment" not nerf . and turn the logi into a support player , but then you have assaults carrying equipement , i think not , you want support , we'll bring it . so in that case you guys don't need an epuipement slot , because now you have the logi you all want . you become (like the heavy) assault only , and we bring the support , i have no problem with that It depends on how much of a nerf. It seems logis still want to be sort of competitive (not as good but still capable). In that case I say no to equipment removal. But the logi ends up with stuff like sidearm only then yes, remove the equipment. i thought that this was about the removal of the light weapon for a sidearm , sorry if we got confused . my thinking is based on that 1 issue .
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 164	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:52:00 - [65] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Chewie Parker wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Chewie Parker wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: No. The logistic suit is an open minded suit. Its problem is that it preforms better than the other specialized suits. It's "too good". Why run scout when you can run logistic and have better stats? Why run assault when the logistic does everything better? The equipment slot on the Assault makes since BECAUSE it is Assault. Anybody going to the front lines will either have a hive or a scanner. Both are combat oriented. you assault guy's have to play fair now , if we lose a weapon , then its only fair to take away your equiptment slot and then you'll need logistic support ,, cant have everything your way now can we That's like nerfing the TAC AR and then nerfing every single weapon, because can't nerf the TAC AR without nerfing all other weapons. please explain that comment , its nothing like that . you guys want the logi to be a logi , then ok lets take this "adjustment" not nerf . and turn the logi into a support player , but then you have assaults carrying equipement , i think not , you want support , we'll bring it . so in that case you guys don't need an epuipement slot , because now you have the logi you all want . you become (like the heavy) assault only , and we bring the support , i have no problem with that It depends on how much of a nerf. It seems logis still want to be sort of competitive (not as good but still capable). In that case I say no to equipment removal. But the logi ends up with stuff like sidearm only then yes, remove the equipment. Remove the equipment slot full stop regardless what happens to the logi suit .. heavies don't get an equipment slot so why should assault suits ?? My Theme
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1507	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:53:00 - [66] - Quote Morathi III wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Morathi III wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I think the fix is to buff assaults, that way us logis stay happy, assaults get happy and if done right no slayer logi statistically will do better than an assault but player skill will always be a factor. Such a bad idea.... And the scout? And the Heavy, your post doesnt make any sens at alll, you got a garbage logic on this one Not at all, buffing scouts and heavies is a separate topic, read the thread title. One instead of 3 , if you reduce high low of logi you can less EHP tank and focus on your role Sorry but you say I have garbage logic, then you propose this? How can I focus on my role when I'd be getting killed ridiculously easy? I need that hp as a medic logi. I use ADV weapons at most but usually std weapons so I can fit ADV equipment with a decent tank to shrug off bullets as I heal or when I shield people when I revive them which by the way gets me killed every time because of the current ttk so I can't even do that anymore. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4049	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:58:00 - [67] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Remove the equipment slot full stop regardless what happens to the logi suit .. heavies don't get an equipment slot so why should assault suits ?? That's one of the main balancing ponits of the heavy. The fact that the HMG is underwhelming doesn't mean that heavy suits aren't incredibly powerful if they fit something like a light weapon. No equipment keeps them in check. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4052	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:59:00 - [68] - Quote Chewie Parker wrote: i thought that this was about the removal of the light weapon for a sidearm , sorry if we got confused . my thinking is based on that 1 issue . That's fine, I've had the feeling that's what you meant and I should have brought it up sooner Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 464	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:00:00 - [69] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Morathi III wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Morathi III wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I think the fix is to buff assaults, that way us logis stay happy, assaults get happy and if done right no slayer logi statistically will do better than an assault but player skill will always be a factor. Such a bad idea.... And the scout? And the Heavy, your post doesnt make any sens at alll, you got a garbage logic on this one Not at all, buffing scouts and heavies is a separate topic, read the thread title. One instead of 3 , if you reduce high low of logi you can less EHP tank and focus on your role Sorry but you say I have garbage logic, then you propose this? How can I focus on my role when I'd be getting killed ridiculously easy? I need that hp as a medic logi. I use ADV weapons at most but usually std weapons so I can fit ADV equipment with a decent tank to shrug off bullets as I heal or when I shield people when I revive them which by the way gets me killed every time because of the current ttk so I can't even do that anymore. rely on your team and have awareness. The same way your squad relies on you for equipments / healing / intel etc you should rely on them for protection.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 165	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:00:00 - [70] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Remove the equipment slot full stop regardless what happens to the logi suit .. heavies don't get an equipment slot so why should assault suits ?? That's one of the main balancing ponits of the heavy. The fact that the HMG is underwhelming doesn't mean that heavy suits aren't incredibly powerful if they fit something like a light weapon. No equipment keeps them in check. And if you nerf logi's and make assaults better at killing then surely they fall in the same category as heavies and will need the equipment slot removed to keep them in check too My Theme

Morathi III Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:01:00 - [71] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Morathi III wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Morathi III wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I think the fix is to buff assaults, that way us logis stay happy, assaults get happy and if done right no slayer logi statistically will do better than an assault but player skill will always be a factor. Such a bad idea.... And the scout? And the Heavy, your post doesnt make any sens at alll, you got a garbage logic on this one Not at all, buffing scouts and heavies is a separate topic, read the thread title. One instead of 3 , if you reduce high low of logi you can less EHP tank and focus on your role Sorry but you say I have garbage logic, then you propose this? How can I focus on my role when I'd be getting killed ridiculously easy? I need that hp as a medic logi. I use ADV weapons at most but usually std weapons so I can fit ADV equipment with a decent tank to shrug off bullets as I heal or when I shield people when I revive them which by the way gets me killed every time because of the current ttk so I can't even do that anymore. TTK kill the game actually, you have scanner , so use it, you know when its time to go to heal with a scanner, i have seen your Amarr logi in a pub in the previous build, its a tank!!! Not a logi
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 464	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:02:00 - [72] - Quote @Cpt Merdock - Class post. Only point I would issue with - slight quibble - the Mass Driver isnt "OP" anymore because Aim Assist and allowed the other weapons to mow down those users
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4052	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:03:00 - [73] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Remove the equipment slot full stop regardless what happens to the logi suit .. heavies don't get an equipment slot so why should assault suits ?? That's one of the main balancing ponits of the heavy. The fact that the HMG is underwhelming doesn't mean that heavy suits aren't incredibly powerful if they fit something like a light weapon. No equipment keeps them in check. And if you nerf logi's and make assaults better at killing then surely they fall in the same category as heavies and will need the equipment slot removed to keep them in check too As I said, it hugely depends on how much of a nerf logis get. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1507	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:07:00 - [74] - Quote I use ADV weapons at most but usually std weapons so I can fit ADV equipment with a decent tank to shrug off bullets as I heal or when I shield people when I revive them which by the way gets me killed every time because of the current ttk so I can't even do that anymore. [/quote] TTK kill the game actually, you have scanner , so use it, you know when its time to go to heal with a scanner, i have seen your Amarr logi in a pub in the previous build, its a tank!!! Not a logi[/quote] I carry an injector, hives and rep tool, I use the scanner setup when I'm on my own or theres only 1 or two other people in my corp online. You still haven't answered my question, how can I logi if I am easy to kill, if you have seen me you should know I go above and beyond to keep people alive, even random blues, I'd have to hide a lot if I had a tiny amount of hp. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4053	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:10:00 - [75] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I carry an injector, hives and rep tool, I use the scanner setup when I'm on my own or theres only 1 or two other people in my corp online. You still haven't answered my question, how can I logi if I am easy to kill, if you have seen me you should know I go above and beyond to keep people alive, even random blues, I'd have to hide a lot if I had a tiny amount of hp. Did I say you should be easy to kill? I never specifically said nerf eHP. If they remove your light weapon, but keep you with high eHP (and buff speed too), don't you think that's a fair trade? Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 166	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:12:00 - [76] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Remove the equipment slot full stop regardless what happens to the logi suit .. heavies don't get an equipment slot so why should assault suits ?? That's one of the main balancing ponits of the heavy. The fact that the HMG is underwhelming doesn't mean that heavy suits aren't incredibly powerful if they fit something like a light weapon. No equipment keeps them in check. And if you nerf logi's and make assaults better at killing then surely they fall in the same category as heavies and will need the equipment slot removed to keep them in check too As I said, it hugely depends on how much of a nerf logis get. so if the logi suit doesn;t get nerfed yet the assault suit gets a huge buff eg 10 extra high and low slots and 1k cpu and PG then you;d keep the equipment slot because the logi suit wasn;t nerfed ? Lol I've just realised that this is a total waste of time You simply refuse to compromise so .. you know what .. No .. Logi suits shouldn't get nerfed and assault suits shouldn't get buffed they are fine as they are .. HTFU and get good scrub I can be unreasonable and immature as well I offered to ditch all my weapon slots and grenade slots on the logi suits in exchange for the equipment slot being removed on the assault suit and you still rejected that because you want to keep that equipment slot ... I don;t want a sidearm as my only weapon I'd rather have no weapon and have assault suits lose their equipment slot than run around with a useless weapon .. how can I kill an AR/RR/CR/ScR user with a flipping submachine gun/scrambler pistol/flaylock pistol or nova knives ?? Everything you're arguing for is what you want not what is actually fair .. and I'm not wasting my time with you My Theme
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1507	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:13:00 - [77] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Remove the equipment slot full stop regardless what happens to the logi suit .. heavies don't get an equipment slot so why should assault suits ?? That's one of the main balancing ponits of the heavy. The fact that the HMG is underwhelming doesn't mean that heavy suits aren't incredibly powerful if they fit something like a light weapon. No equipment keeps them in check. And if you nerf logi's and make assaults better at killing then surely they fall in the same category as heavies and will need the equipment slot removed to keep them in check too As I said, it hugely depends on how much of a nerf logis get. so if the logi suit doesn;t get nerfed yet the assault suit gets a huge buff eg 10 extra high and low slots and 1k cpu and PG then you;d keep the equipment slot because the logi suit wasn;t nerfed ? Lol I've just realised that this is a total waste of time You simply refuse to compromise so .. you know what .. No .. Logi suits shouldn't get nerfed and assault suits shouldn't get buffed they are fine as they are .. HTFU and get good scrub I can be unreasonable and immature as well I offered to ditch all my weapon slots and grenade slots on the logi suits in exchange for the equipment slot being removed on the assault suit and you still rejected that because you want to keep that equipment slot ... I don;t want a sidearm as my only weapon I'd rather have no weapon and have assault suits lose their equipment slot than run around with a useless weapon .. how can I kill an AR/RR/CR/ScR user with a flipping submachine gun/scrambler pistol/flaylock pistol or nova knives ?? Everything you're arguing for is what you want not what is actually fair .. and I'm not wasting my time with you Just click hide posts on his name, its better. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
DiGreatDestroyer Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION 31	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:14:00 - [78] - Quote As an assault i aprove that the assaults lose their equipment slot, as long as the logis can only carry secondary weapons. Seems fair to me ;)
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 83	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:15:00 - [79] - Quote You may take the option out of the suit but you cant get rid of the SP if you change the suit you issue respecs.If I get one 17 million sp is now available to me to put into something else.....LVL 5 Wep. proficiencies....You cant take the slayer out of the suit but you cant take the slayer out of the player. This change say to removal og light weapons from the suit means less options, and starts to make this game look narrower and narrower until it doesnt look like EVE at all. Closed Beta Tester since Crater Lake My motto regarding haters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8gAb3uc6fk
Morathi III Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:18:00 - [80] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I carry an injector, hives and rep tool, I use the scanner setup when I'm on my own or theres only 1 or two other people in my corp online. You still haven't answered my question, how can I logi if I am easy to kill, if you have seen me you should know I go above and beyond to keep people alive, even random blues, I'd have to hide a lot if I had a tiny amount of hp. Suppose to be intended in hidding or stay in the backfield witha logi, so yes you have to hide not like a svout but in a different way, the goal s not to give you the HP of the scout lol, but a bit less than assault, if exemple we remove 1 high/ 1 low appear that can make sense to me , logi arent suppose to be able top quality frontliner, they are support, with the quality of equipment CCP give all the freaking WP you get....i play scout, wow yes i can have a side arm.... STD not more

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4053	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:18:00 - [81] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Remove the equipment slot full stop regardless what happens to the logi suit .. heavies don't get an equipment slot so why should assault suits ?? That's one of the main balancing ponits of the heavy. The fact that the HMG is underwhelming doesn't mean that heavy suits aren't incredibly powerful if they fit something like a light weapon. No equipment keeps them in check. And if you nerf logi's and make assaults better at killing then surely they fall in the same category as heavies and will need the equipment slot removed to keep them in check too As I said, it hugely depends on how much of a nerf logis get. so if the logi suit doesn;t get nerfed yet the assault suit gets a huge buff eg 10 extra high and low slots and 1k cpu and PG then you;d keep the equipment slot because the logi suit wasn;t nerfed ? Lol I've just realised that this is a total waste of time You simply refuse to compromise so .. you know what .. No .. Logi suits shouldn't get nerfed and assault suits shouldn't get buffed they are fine as they are .. HTFU and get good scrub I can be unreasonable and immature as well I offered to ditch all my weapon slots and grenade slots on the logi suits in exchange for the equipment slot being removed on the assault suit and you still rejected that because you want to keep that equipment slot ... I don;t want a sidearm as my only weapon I'd rather have no weapon and have assault suits lose their equipment slot than run around with a useless weapon .. how can I kill an AR/RR/CR/ScR user with a flipping submachine gun/scrambler pistol/flaylock pistol or nova knives ?? Everything you're arguing for is what you want not what is actually fair .. and I'm not wasting my time with you 1. You never said anything about assault buff. If they did what you said then of course I would say remove equipment. 2. I can compromise. If you scroll up you will see that if logis get sidearms only then I approve of assaults having their equipment slot removed. Heck I even approve of a speed buff in that case. Keep your posts organized, I probably missed the part where you said remove weapon slots. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Thorgen Ra'Koldor Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:19:00 - [82] - Quote DiGreatDestroyer wrote: As an assault i aprove that the assaults lose their equipment slot, as long as the logis can only carry secondary weapons. Seems fair to me ;) Cat Merc Alt ....
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4053	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:20:00 - [83] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Just click hide posts on his name, its better. How mature of you Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 83	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:20:00 - [84] - Quote Morathi III wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I carry an injector, hives and rep tool, I use the scanner setup when I'm on my own or theres only 1 or two other people in my corp online. You still haven't answered my question, how can I logi if I am easy to kill, if you have seen me you should know I go above and beyond to keep people alive, even random blues, I'd have to hide a lot if I had a tiny amount of hp. Suppose to be intended in hidding or stay in the backfield witha logi, so yes you have to hide not like a svout but in a different way, the goal s not to give you the HP of the scout lol, but a bit less than assault, if exemple we remove 1 high/ 1 low appear that can make sense to me , logi arent suppose to be able top quality frontliner, they are support, with the quality of equipment CCP give all the freaking WP you get....i play scout, wow yes i can have a side arm.... STD not more lol wait what suppossed to hide in the back with a Nanite injector and a rep tool.... what? Closed Beta Tester since Crater Lake My motto regarding haters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8gAb3uc6fk
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4053	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:21:00 - [85] - Quote Thorgen Ra'Koldor wrote: DiGreatDestroyer wrote: As an assault i aprove that the assaults lose their equipment slot, as long as the logis can only carry secondary weapons. Seems fair to me ;) Cat Merc Alt .... He isn't my alt. Why would I make an alt to post that? Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1508	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:21:00 - [86] - Quote Morathi III wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I carry an injector, hives and rep tool, I use the scanner setup when I'm on my own or theres only 1 or two other people in my corp online. You still haven't answered my question, how can I logi if I am easy to kill, if you have seen me you should know I go above and beyond to keep people alive, even random blues, I'd have to hide a lot if I had a tiny amount of hp. Suppose to be intended in hidding or stay in the backfield witha logi, so yes you have to hide not like a svout but in a different way, the goal s not to give you the HP of the scout lol, but a bit less than assault, if exemple we remove 1 high/ 1 low appear that can make sense to me , logi arent suppose to be able top quality frontliner, they are support, with the quality of equipment CCP give all the freaking WP you get....i play scout, wow yes i can have a side arm.... STD not more Yes I know but how can I support on the front lines with a lame amount of hp? Do you even know how much you get shot at being a medic? Don't you think it would be better to just buff assaults (along with scouts and heavies) so that Logis are happy, assaults become happy and any slayer logi fit would still statistically be sub par to assault? We don't need to nerf anything. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4053	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:21:00 - [87] - Quote Morathi III wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I carry an injector, hives and rep tool, I use the scanner setup when I'm on my own or theres only 1 or two other people in my corp online. You still haven't answered my question, how can I logi if I am easy to kill, if you have seen me you should know I go above and beyond to keep people alive, even random blues, I'd have to hide a lot if I had a tiny amount of hp. Suppose to be intended in hidding or stay in the backfield witha logi, so yes you have to hide not like a svout but in a different way, the goal s not to give you the HP of the scout lol, but a bit less than assault, if exemple we remove 1 high/ 1 low appear that can make sense to me , logi arent suppose to be able top quality frontliner, they are support, with the quality of equipment CCP give all the freaking WP you get....i play scout, wow yes i can have a side arm.... STD not more Not at all. Logis are supposed to be frontline units. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 83	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:29:00 - [88] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Evicer wrote: logistics (Concise Encyclopedia) In military science, all the activities of armed-force units in support of combat units, including transport, supply, communications, and medical aid. The term, first used by Henri Jomini, Alfred Thayer Mahan, and others, was adopted by the U.S. military in World War I and gained currency in other nations in World War II. Its importance grew in the 20th century with the increasing complexity of modern warfare. The ability to mobilize large populations has escalated military demands for supplies and provisions, and sophisticated technology has added to the cost and intricacy of weapons, communications systems, and medical care, creating the need for a vast network of support systems. In World War II, for instance, only about three in 10 U.S. soldiers served in a combat role. lo-+gis-+tics noun plural but singular or plural in construction \l+ì--êjis-tiks, l+Ö-\ : the things that must be done to plan and organize a complicated activity or event that involves many people Full Definition of LOGISTICS 1 : the aspect of military science dealing with the procurement, maintenance, and transportation of military mat+¬riel, facilities, and personnel 2 : the handling of the details of an operation corps-+man noun \-êko¦çr(z)-m+Ön\ Definition of CORPSMAN 1 : an enlisted man trained to give first aid and minor medical treatment 2 : a member of a government-sponsored service corps CCP this is stupid all these people want to do is get back to assault fights and they dont want any other class being combat effective never mind that I have 32 million sp 17 million just in dropsuit upgrades. Like Ive said before it takes way more sp to achieve these results and I help my team. If you mess with the Amarr Logi Then I would request that you fix the Amarr assault and give it another low slot at proto level....I also think its funny in a reverse psycological way these people want the 2nd equipment slot back on the assault or more grenade slots when the commando has none. As far as Logi slayers (Galente Logi) that setup cost 280K ISK people arent rocking that fit as often as the QQ's or the braggers that say they have alot of cash are putting on. If you change the Logistics dropsuit to say only carry side arm you can forget about this game going anywhere no one will play logi there will be no more nano hives no more rep tools no more uplinks no more proto scanners. I am not going to waste sp into Drop suit upgrades as Ill now be playing assault and I dont need all that equipment.You can forget about this game even resembling EVE at all..... Im not going to do any support so squad leads can glory ***** off my SP with OB's while I get killed 10 times in a pub match losing ISK on fits and a loss to my KDR...LOL Fuckin get real. Logi's are out killing assaults because these players are the oldest players with that much SP to make the suit combat effective with LVL5 PROFICIENCIES to WEAPONS.......WORKING AS INTENDED HTFU Get like us an get you a logi suit and cross class...oh wait you dont want to support the team at all. You're only concerned about your own kill count and your own personal stats you 1 dimensional scrubs. CCP with Veteren players playing Logi you also help out the newbs which helps to continue healthy player population....I dont know where in that definition up there it says that a Logistics Specialist is just a medic bullet sponge.... So basically... Logis cost more hence they should be straight up better Also, Amarr Assault would be OP with an extra low slot. It has the highest CPU/PG. Highest base HP. Scout level Stamina. Is an omni tank with no real weakness. It's an awesome suit, the removal of the low slot and speed reduction is more than made up by these. yes that exactly what im saying the balance comes from the mathematical mechanic of PG/cpu if you are runniing support you cant tank as much.If your tanking your not running support....all balanced out by PG/cpu req's ......as far as a logi filling roles better than any other suit ....absolutely because it cost waaaay more sp than any other class. Closed Beta Tester since Crater Lake My motto regarding haters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8gAb3uc6fk
Thorgen Ra'Koldor Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:29:00 - [89] - Quote @ Cat Merc after readign all your posts on your various threads .... ive coem to this conclusion.. sidearms only for Logi's is no different to taking away weapons entirely ... there aren;t enough sidearms in the game to make that valid .. Nova Knives .. Flaylock Pistol .. Scrambler Pistol .. SMG .. all of them are CQC weapons .. seeing as everyman and his dog are using AR/ScR that are just as effective at close range and mid range then you are basically making logi's completely an utterly defenceless Reverting Logi's to a sidearm only is totally the wrong way to go about nerfing logi's .. Assault suits need to get more relevant assault type passives and Logi suits need to have equipment forcibly on every dropsuit loadout for them to be valid .. eg if you could only put adv and higher equipment on a proto logi suit that would reduce the cpu/pg available to equip proto assault mods .. the Gal Logi suit is broken right now due to the PG/CPU reduction of equipment however if that was removed the aforementioned solution would fix the problem The issue I have with you isn't necessarily the nerf logi point but the actual way you plan on nerfing logi's You haven't come up with a single viable solution that wouldn't basically run the logi suit into the ground .. taking away the light weapon slot is NOT A VIABLE SOLUTION .. the SMG would become the only weapon a Logi can actually use and forcing an entire class to have 1 weapon is wrong and bad for the game .. where is the diversity ? Where is the choice to skill into what you want ? What If the SMG becomes nerfed so badly it becomes useless like the Laser rifle will be in 1.7 ?
Morathi III Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:33:00 - [90] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Morathi III wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I carry an injector, hives and rep tool, I use the scanner setup when I'm on my own or theres only 1 or two other people in my corp online. You still haven't answered my question, how can I logi if I am easy to kill, if you have seen me you should know I go above and beyond to keep people alive, even random blues, I'd have to hide a lot if I had a tiny amount of hp. Suppose to be intended in hidding or stay in the backfield witha logi, so yes you have to hide not like a svout but in a different way, the goal s not to give you the HP of the scout lol, but a bit less than assault, if exemple we remove 1 high/ 1 low appear that can make sense to me , logi arent suppose to be able top quality frontliner, they are support, with the quality of equipment CCP give all the freaking WP you get....i play scout, wow yes i can have a side arm.... STD not more Yes I know but how can I support on the front lines with a lame amount of hp? Do you even know how much you get shot at being a medic? Don't you think it would be better to just buff assaults (along with scouts and heavies) so that Logis are happy, assaults become happy and any slayer logi fit would still statistically be sub par to assault? We don't neeld to nerf anything. -If we buff the 3 other class in same time, yes its a good idea Tech, but like me you are there since the close beta right? In same time forget it for CCP lol, in my opinion Lame amount of HP? Only 1 high/ 1 low less doesnt bring you to lame honestly, just losing in 1 vs 1 has intended in my opinion, good logi will stay good with that, false logi will return assault suit....

TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1508	Posted - 2013.11.26 17:00:00 - [91] - Quote Morathi III wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Morathi III wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I carry an injector, hives and rep tool, I use the scanner setup when I'm on my own or theres only 1 or two other people in my corp online. You still haven't answered my question, how can I logi if I am easy to kill, if you have seen me you should know I go above and beyond to keep people alive, even random blues, I'd have to hide a lot if I had a tiny amount of hp. Suppose to be intended in hidding or stay in the backfield witha logi, so yes you have to hide not like a svout but in a different way, the goal s not to give you the HP of the scout lol, but a bit less than assault, if exemple we remove 1 high/ 1 low appear that can make sense to me , logi arent suppose to be able top quality frontliner, they are support, with the quality of equipment CCP give all the freaking WP you get....i play scout, wow yes i can have a side arm.... STD not more Yes I know but how can I support on the front lines with a lame amount of hp? Do you even know how much you get shot at being a medic? Don't you think it would be better to just buff assaults (along with scouts and heavies) so that Logis are happy, assaults become happy and any slayer logi fit would still statistically be sub par to assault? We don't neeld to nerf anything. -If we buff the 3 other class in same time, yes its a good idea Tech, but like me you are there since the close beta right? In same time forget it for CCP lol, in my opinion Lame amount of HP? Only 1 high/ 1 low less doesnt bring you to lame honestly, just losing in 1 vs 1 has intended in my opinion, good logi will stay good with that, false logi will return assault suit.... No my closed beta code didn't even work but I got on to downloading the day open beta went live. Oh 1 high and 1 low less, I thought you meant having just 1 high and 1 low lol. I'd be fine with that but all that would do is make the current fake Logis go back to assault and leave us proper logis gimped, fotm will ruin everything if we keep nerfing. Just buff assaults heavies and scouts, no nerf. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Cpt Merdock The Exemplars Top Men. 131	Posted - 2013.11.26 22:28:00 - [92] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: @Cpt Merdock - Class post. Only point I would issue with - slight quibble - the Mass Driver isnt "OP" anymore because Aim Assist and allowed the other weapons to mow down those users Haha fair enough.
Terra Thesis HDYLTA Defiant Legacy 362	Posted - 2013.11.27 02:07:00 - [93] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Assault suits starting off with uplinks dropping them down , run to supply depot switch to another suit with another type of uplinks .. drop them down .. do the same again .. then go back and start doing this with nanohives .. then after nanohives have been done they'll go back and switch to a Scanner or something else ... this completely nullifies the point of having 3 equipment slots .. it seems to just mean that you don't have to change into as many different suits at a supply depot Remove the Equipment slot off Assault suits .. why do they need it If they are supposed to be the 'slayer' role and no one else can do that role then they shouldn't be able to use any equipment because that is a logi's job ... Any Logi nerf has to be introduced with the Assault suits losing their equipment slot I have a solution for this problem. Go play Dust 514 where this already doesn't happen ever because it's a pointless waste of time. Also, avoid the forums there, it'll ruin ya. HDYLTA - Freedom Delivered
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1074	Posted - 2013.11.27 02:21:00 - [94] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Assault suits starting off with uplinks dropping them down , run to supply depot switch to another suit with another type of uplinks .. drop them down .. do the same again .. then go back and start doing this with nanohives .. then after nanohives have been done they'll go back and switch to a Scanner or something else And...where's the issue? It would be an incredible waste of time. *"Quella non è latenza... è il livello di magia arcobaleno della squadra!"* Join the Rainbow side of the Force
billy bloodbath2 Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2013.11.27 08:19:00 - [95] - Quote +1 assaults would nbe OP with an equipment slot after a logi nerf
negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 340	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:43:00 - [96] - Quote The minmatar and amarr logis seem to be the most balance. I use my minmatar logi suit in skirmish and domination because it wonderful hacking speed bonus, and the amarr are like the true logi assault. The caldari and gallente need some work though I use everything
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 276	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:49:00 - [97] - Quote negative49er wrote: The minmatar and amarr logis seem to be the most balance. I use my minmatar logi suit in skirmish and domination because it wonderful hacking speed bonus, and the amarr are like the true logi assault. The caldari and gallente need some work though After using the minni Logi for a while it is by far the best logistic suit in the game in my book. It is the only logistic suit that gets two suit bonusses. that means the minni Logistic can take advantage of both bonusses regardless what he fits. His capabillity to dualtank makes him far more resitent than the gall logi. Sure the gal logi can get more HP but he will be slower and more vulnerable to explosive weapons whereas the minmatar can be quite resitant to all kind of damages with more speed.
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1020	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:49:00 - [98] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Assault suits starting off with uplinks dropping them down , run to supply depot switch to another suit with another type of uplinks .. drop them down .. do the same again .. then go back and start doing this with nanohives .. then after nanohives have been done they'll go back and switch to a Scanner or something else ... this completely nullifies the point of having 3 equipment slots .. it seems to just mean that you don't have to change into as many different suits at a supply depot Remove the Equipment slot off Assault suits .. why do they need it If they are supposed to be the 'slayer' role and no one else can do that role then they shouldn't be able to use any equipment because that is a logi's job ... Any Logi nerf has to be introduced with the Assault suits losing their equipment slot Ok I am all for the removal of the slot if Logi's start doing there job. I had three logi's that were joined at the hip with some heavies and they never laid hives nor repped anyone else. What a complete waste of resources. I need the slot so I can carry ammo or rephive so i can stay alive. You are trying to punish everyone for what a few are doing. I switch to my logi and lay hives and uplinks then switch back to assault, why you ask, because no one else is F*** doing this. I am always looking out for my team and doing everything I can to make sure we win. So Logi's start spamming the S* out of uplinks and hives and I will be very happy. Do not eat the yellow snow
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 277	Posted - 2013.11.27 12:42:00 - [99] - Quote calvin b wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Assault suits starting off with uplinks dropping them down , run to supply depot switch to another suit with another type of uplinks .. drop them down .. do the same again .. then go back and start doing this with nanohives .. then after nanohives have been done they'll go back and switch to a Scanner or something else ... this completely nullifies the point of having 3 equipment slots .. it seems to just mean that you don't have to change into as many different suits at a supply depot Remove the Equipment slot off Assault suits .. why do they need it If they are supposed to be the 'slayer' role and no one else can do that role then they shouldn't be able to use any equipment because that is a logi's job ... Any Logi nerf has to be introduced with the Assault suits losing their equipment slot Ok I am all for the removal of the slot if Logi's start doing there job. I had three logi's that were joined at the hip with some heavies and they never laid hives nor repped anyone else. What a complete waste of resources. I need the slot so I can carry ammo or rephive so i can stay alive. You are trying to punish everyone for what a few are doing. I switch to my logi and lay hives and uplinks then switch back to assault, why you ask, because no one else is F*** doing this. I am always looking out for my team and doing everything I can to make sure we win. So Logi's start spamming the S* out of uplinks and hives and I will be very happy. This argument is going into both directions evryone tries to nerf the hell out of the logi just because some tryhards abuse the suit to some extend. And you have to consider that CCP has done a lot to make the lives of logis doing their job harder. The injector mess, missing healthbars and still noone can call out for ammo . If I run hives I try to place them where they are needed the most, as we can't refill them easily if I am out of hives I try do do my best to support the team. By repping or reviving the same is true for uplinks f they are gone they are gone. And without a supply depot nearby I just try to give my best, so sometime I will run withyou but cant give you ammo or provide an uplink just because some one else aleady needed them...


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