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Saheiji
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
27
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:33:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:This is about CCP having no respect for their customers.
I disagree. The customers, players, Mercenaries - whatever you want to call us - have been asking CCP to change the vehicles. We have been asking for a long time. I admit, what they do is quite radical, but hey, we wanted the change. Are those 4 BPOs really that important? Or do you really think this is just the start and they want to remove all BPOs?
In one of these threads about the BPOs I posted my opinion about this, and I still do not think they could legally pull off removing any BPOs that were part of a bundle purchased on the PSN store. However, nothing could stop them from removing all standard Market-place BPOs. Maybe respect for their customers? Only time will tell.
Say YES to change.
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NomaDz 2K
DUTY FR33
80
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:21:00 -
[32] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers. ...by offering them a full refund for the modules that are being replaced? Yeah, real screwed. I'll have to remember this the next time I go out and buy something, use it for an extended period of time and then demand that I receive more than I paid. I'm sure that'll go over real well. This whole scenario is more like a mandatory company recall that you must adhere to, but which they must compensate you for, not us going to them demanding an exchange/refund after a short period of time. In this situation they would have to offer a refund, store credit, or an exchange for an item of equal value, or a replacement of said item. CCP are only giving us one option instead of four that I have stated that consumers are entitled to. ^^In cases of Law it's called a Settlement - AKA A MUTUAL AGREEMENT .
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2321
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:47:00 -
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Saheiji wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:This is about CCP having no respect for their customers. I disagree. The customers, players, Mercenaries - whatever you want to call us - have been asking CCP to change the vehicles. We have been asking for a long time. I admit, what they do is quite radical, but hey, we wanted the change. Are those 4 BPOs really that important? Or do you really think this is just the start and they want to remove all BPOs? In one of these threads about the BPOs I posted my opinion about this, and I still do not think they could legally pull off removing any BPOs that were part of a bundle purchased on the PSN store. However, nothing could stop them from removing all standard Market-place BPOs. Maybe respect for their customers? Only time will tell.
It's not about the vehicle changes. The changes are being used as an excuse to remove the BPOs. It shows the level to which they will go to take things from us. I'm not concerned about any legal implications, I'm concerned about how meaningless aurum transactions become, when they are treated with such disdain.
No.
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
1372
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:01:00 -
[34] - Quote
There sure is a lot of concern for the economy of a market that does not currently or will not exist for some time to come.
Officer Weapons Salvage drop frequency will affect the economy of that non-existant market more than MLT and STD module BPOs.
Cheeseburgers.
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Sarcastic Dreamkiller
Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo
68
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:02:00 -
[35] - Quote
Chunky Munkey wrote:Saheiji wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:This is about CCP having no respect for their customers. I disagree. The customers, players, Mercenaries - whatever you want to call us - have been asking CCP to change the vehicles. We have been asking for a long time. I admit, what they do is quite radical, but hey, we wanted the change. Are those 4 BPOs really that important? Or do you really think this is just the start and they want to remove all BPOs? In one of these threads about the BPOs I posted my opinion about this, and I still do not think they could legally pull off removing any BPOs that were part of a bundle purchased on the PSN store. However, nothing could stop them from removing all standard Market-place BPOs. Maybe respect for their customers? Only time will tell. It's not about the vehicle changes. The changes are being used as an excuse to remove the BPOs. It shows the level to which they will go to take things from us. I'm not concerned about any legal implications, I'm concerned about how meaningless aurum transactions become, when they are treated with such disdain. The BPO's were removed because they won't work anymore, it was actually pretty nice of CCP to provide the compensation that they did considering they could have just let them sit in people's assets for no reason (why keep something that you can't use?) AUR transactions are already meaningless, they became that way the moment blueprints were taken off the market. |
Sarcastic Dreamkiller
Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo
68
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:04:00 -
[36] - Quote
Rynoceros wrote:There sure is a lot of concern for the economy of a market that does not currently or will not exist for some time to come.
Officer Weapons Salvage drop frequency will affect the economy of that non-existant market more than MLT and STD module BPOs. You aren't kidding. And I'm pretty sure that the only players that care are those who are on these forums complaining, because I never hear anyone talk about it in game. |
Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
157
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:28:00 -
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A'Real Fury wrote:Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers. ...by offering them a full refund for the modules that are being replaced? Yeah, real screwed. I'll have to remember this the next time I go out and buy something, use it for an extended period of time and then demand that I receive more than I paid. I'm sure that'll go over real well. On the one hand not a bad example but on the other it more like You bought this really nice tv that we are taking back and here is some store credit to the value of your tv. You want another tv? Sorry we don't sell those anymore but we do sell tissue paper so buy as much as you want.
FUC KING THIS^
I can has ISK
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
157
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:35:00 -
[38] - Quote
NomaDz 2K wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers. ...by offering them a full refund for the modules that are being replaced? Yeah, real screwed. I'll have to remember this the next time I go out and buy something, use it for an extended period of time and then demand that I receive more than I paid. I'm sure that'll go over real well. This whole scenario is more like a mandatory company recall that you must adhere to, but which they must compensate you for, not us going to them demanding an exchange/refund after a short period of time. In this situation they would have to offer a refund, store credit, or an exchange for an item of equal value, or a replacement of said item. CCP are only giving us one option instead of four that I have stated that consumers are entitled to. ^^In cases of Law it's called a Settlement - AKA A MUTUAL AGREEMENT . Peac3
And this whole scenario is not a mutual agreement. I do not agree to the 'settlement', many other BPO owners do not consider this a mutual agreement as they were never consulted by CCP on what sort of refund, reimbursement they would like. Therefore, this is NOT a settlement as NO mutual agreement had been reached.
I can has ISK
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MPX Shad
Multiplex Gaming Li3 Federation
23
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:36:00 -
[39] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Barring game design needs as long as the regular of that item is in the bpos should stay.
If they can be sold on secondary? we wont know at the moment.
Will they stay the same? we also won't know either. For all we know they could go like eve and make them just a source of making items or other blueprints.
I'm all for having BPOs used to create the Items and If they are taken away then I'm happy for the AUR they were worth
Co-Owner of Multiplexgaming.com
Co-Host of PODSIDE & MPXPrimetime
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2323
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:36:00 -
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Sarcastic Dreamkiller wrote:
It's not about the vehicle changes. The changes are being used as an excuse to remove the BPOs. It shows the level to which they will go to take things from us. I'm not concerned about any legal implications, I'm concerned about how meaningless aurum transactions become, when they are treated with such disdain.
The BPO's were removed because they won't work anymore, it was actually pretty nice of CCP to provide the compensation that they did considering they could have just let them sit in people's assets for no reason (why keep something that you can't use?) AUR transactions are already meaningless, they became that way the moment blueprints were taken off the market.[/quote]
If CCP was dedicated to their word not to remove BPOs from inventories, they could have replaced the BPOs with equivalents from the new content.
No.
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
157
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:40:00 -
[41] - Quote
Chunky Munkey wrote:Sarcastic Dreamkiller wrote:
It's not about the vehicle changes. The changes are being used as an excuse to remove the BPOs. It shows the level to which they will go to take things from us. I'm not concerned about any legal implications, I'm concerned about how meaningless aurum transactions become, when they are treated with such disdain.
The BPO's were removed because they won't work anymore, it was actually pretty nice of CCP to provide the compensation that they did considering they could have just let them sit in people's assets for no reason (why keep something that you can't use?) AUR transactions are already meaningless, they became that way the moment blueprints were taken off the market.
If CCP was dedicated to their word not to remove BPOs from inventories, they could have replaced the BPOs with equivalents from the new content.[/quote]
This is simply CCP exploiting a situation where they can screw over their customers, use some bull **** excuse to try and cover their ass which many people don't accept, and carry out their intended removal of ALL BPOs from this point on.
I can has ISK
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Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
2251
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Posted - 2013.11.25 19:02:00 -
[42] - Quote
Chunky Munkey wrote:Saheiji wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:This is about CCP having no respect for their customers. I disagree. The customers, players, Mercenaries - whatever you want to call us - have been asking CCP to change the vehicles. We have been asking for a long time. I admit, what they do is quite radical, but hey, we wanted the change. Are those 4 BPOs really that important? Or do you really think this is just the start and they want to remove all BPOs? In one of these threads about the BPOs I posted my opinion about this, and I still do not think they could legally pull off removing any BPOs that were part of a bundle purchased on the PSN store. However, nothing could stop them from removing all standard Market-place BPOs. Maybe respect for their customers? Only time will tell. It's not about the vehicle changes. The changes are being used as an excuse to remove the BPOs. It shows the level to which they will go to take things from us. I'm not concerned about any legal implications, I'm concerned about how meaningless aurum transactions become, when they are treated with such disdain. Ok conspiracy theorist tell me why CCP wouldn't just remove all of the vehicle BPOs right now and excuse it with the vehicle rebalance? If they were in fact covering up the removal with the rebalance then it would only be logical if they removed at least more then just 4 pretty useless BPOs. Please give me a reasonable explanation for that. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
2251
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Posted - 2013.11.25 19:05:00 -
[43] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Sarcastic Dreamkiller wrote:
It's not about the vehicle changes. The changes are being used as an excuse to remove the BPOs. It shows the level to which they will go to take things from us. I'm not concerned about any legal implications, I'm concerned about how meaningless aurum transactions become, when they are treated with such disdain.
The BPO's were removed because they won't work anymore, it was actually pretty nice of CCP to provide the compensation that they did considering they could have just let them sit in people's assets for no reason (why keep something that you can't use?) AUR transactions are already meaningless, they became that way the moment blueprints were taken off the market. If CCP was dedicated to their word not to remove BPOs from inventories, they could have replaced the BPOs with equivalents from the new content.
This is simply CCP exploiting a situation where they can screw over their customers, use some bull **** excuse to try and cover their ass which many people don't accept, and carry out their intended removal of ALL BPOs from this point on.[/quote] If they were covering their ass with the vehicle rebalance then why not remove more then 4 pretty much useless bpos. Why not remove more of the other vehicle bpos instead of just removing 4 practically useless bpos? |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2325
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Posted - 2013.11.25 19:11:00 -
[44] - Quote
Kane Fyea wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Sarcastic Dreamkiller wrote:
It's not about the vehicle changes. The changes are being used as an excuse to remove the BPOs. It shows the level to which they will go to take things from us. I'm not concerned about any legal implications, I'm concerned about how meaningless aurum transactions become, when they are treated with such disdain.
The BPO's were removed because they won't work anymore, it was actually pretty nice of CCP to provide the compensation that they did considering they could have just let them sit in people's assets for no reason (why keep something that you can't use?) AUR transactions are already meaningless, they became that way the moment blueprints were taken off the market. If CCP was dedicated to their word not to remove BPOs from inventories, they could have replaced the BPOs with equivalents from the new content.
This is simply CCP exploiting a situation where they can screw over their customers, use some bull **** excuse to try and cover their ass which many people don't accept, and carry out their intended removal of ALL BPOs from this point on.[/quote] If they were covering their ass with the vehicle rebalance then why not remove more then 4 pretty much useless bpos. Why not remove more of the other vehicle bpos instead of just removing 4 practically useless bpos?[/quote]
Because those came with packs pirchased for real money. They're likely to be protected by regular consumer laws.
No.
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
157
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Posted - 2013.11.25 19:15:00 -
[45] - Quote
Kane Fyea wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Saheiji wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:This is about CCP having no respect for their customers. I disagree. The customers, players, Mercenaries - whatever you want to call us - have been asking CCP to change the vehicles. We have been asking for a long time. I admit, what they do is quite radical, but hey, we wanted the change. Are those 4 BPOs really that important? Or do you really think this is just the start and they want to remove all BPOs? In one of these threads about the BPOs I posted my opinion about this, and I still do not think they could legally pull off removing any BPOs that were part of a bundle purchased on the PSN store. However, nothing could stop them from removing all standard Market-place BPOs. Maybe respect for their customers? Only time will tell. It's not about the vehicle changes. The changes are being used as an excuse to remove the BPOs. It shows the level to which they will go to take things from us. I'm not concerned about any legal implications, I'm concerned about how meaningless aurum transactions become, when they are treated with such disdain. Ok conspiracy theorist tell me why CCP wouldn't just remove all of the vehicle BPOs right now and excuse it with the vehicle rebalance? If they were in fact covering up the removal with the rebalance then it would only be logical if they removed at least more then just 4 pretty useless BPOs. Please give me a reasonable explanation for that.
First off they aren't 4 useless BPOs as I already use 3 of the 4 on my Blood Raider and Ishukone Watch Sagas to max out it's slots, and give myself a fully kitted and completely free LAV to run people down with.
I can has ISK
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
580
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Posted - 2013.11.25 19:17:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:They're perfectly safe in your inventory. This has already been stated by CCP.You will keep BPOs you already have, but you simply won't be able to get more. There is one whiner plastering GD with threads at the moment about how BPOs for non-existent items are being refunded and how that's clearly an awful thing and he should be reimbursed further, but nobody intelligent actually agrees with him.
perfectly safe until ccp decided they don't like that bpo anymore so remove the item its based on.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
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Sarcastic Dreamkiller
Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo
70
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Posted - 2013.11.25 19:28:00 -
[47] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Saheiji wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:This is about CCP having no respect for their customers. I disagree. The customers, players, Mercenaries - whatever you want to call us - have been asking CCP to change the vehicles. We have been asking for a long time. I admit, what they do is quite radical, but hey, we wanted the change. Are those 4 BPOs really that important? Or do you really think this is just the start and they want to remove all BPOs? In one of these threads about the BPOs I posted my opinion about this, and I still do not think they could legally pull off removing any BPOs that were part of a bundle purchased on the PSN store. However, nothing could stop them from removing all standard Market-place BPOs. Maybe respect for their customers? Only time will tell. It's not about the vehicle changes. The changes are being used as an excuse to remove the BPOs. It shows the level to which they will go to take things from us. I'm not concerned about any legal implications, I'm concerned about how meaningless aurum transactions become, when they are treated with such disdain. Ok conspiracy theorist tell me why CCP wouldn't just remove all of the vehicle BPOs right now and excuse it with the vehicle rebalance? If they were in fact covering up the removal with the rebalance then it would only be logical if they removed at least more then just 4 pretty useless BPOs. Please give me a reasonable explanation for that. First off they aren't 4 useless BPOs as I already use 3 of the 4 on my Blood Raider and Ishukone Watch Sagas to max out it's slots, and give myself a fully kitted and completely free LAV to run people down with. they will be useless in 1.7 useless as in "no longer usable, or attachable"
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
160
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Posted - 2013.11.25 20:52:00 -
[48] - Quote
Only since CCP decided to FUC K them up themselves, as they are now they are perfectly suited to fulfill their intended purpose, and so as well as any other BPO or module in the game.
I can has ISK
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Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
278
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Posted - 2013.11.25 23:31:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:[
It's rather too often that people miss the point of an argument online, but you just managed some sort of record there.
1. I answered that in the next sentence. That one you were apparently able to quote, but not read.
2. They aren't improving the game if they're going back on their word as well as devaluing the currency they rely on to make money for the game.
3. This is what's called an "analogy", where a person uses a hypothetical scenario to demonstrate the points being discussed.
4. That doesn't contradict my use of the word "waste". Making a choice to do something has no bearing on whether or not the effort was wasted.
5. Again, analogy. The point being that legality has nothing to do with mutual respect. But that's just one of the many points you've missed here.
Keep clutching at those straws...eventually you may grasp enough to build a raft.
1. Your argument is completely nullified by your own admission that it isn't about legality; CCP is quite clearly on the right side of the law in this scenario. Which brings us to
2. They haven't gone back on their word. Their word is the EULA, that pesky document that so stubbornly flies in the face of all of your arguments. They reserve the right to make changes to the game whenever they so choose. And no, they aren't devaluing Aurum by removing these BPOs. The introduction of BPOs are what devalued the game's entire economy (you know, the whole "you're risking ISK every time you put on a suit or summon a vehicle."
3. No, what you've done is frame a straw man argument and declared yourself the victor, because obviously CCP is removing these obsolete modules in order to make a cooking game...which I'll apparently be happy to support, seeing as to how I don't share your views.
4. Opportunity cost. You have made the decision to spend real money on virtual currency with no guarantee that the item you want will remain in the game. The cost of this decision is what you would have otherwise have spent that money on. There is no "waste."
5. Analogies work much better when they're logically sound. Not surprising, as your concept of "mutual respect" is entirely a one-sided affair that refuses to consider the reasons why CCP felt this move was necessary, or that they're acting in good faith by offering a full refund to those directly affected by their decision.
5.
Life is killing me.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2329
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Posted - 2013.11.25 23:37:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:[
It's rather too often that people miss the point of an argument online, but you just managed some sort of record there.
1. I answered that in the next sentence. That one you were apparently able to quote, but not read.
2. They aren't improving the game if they're going back on their word as well as devaluing the currency they rely on to make money for the game.
3. This is what's called an "analogy", where a person uses a hypothetical scenario to demonstrate the points being discussed.
4. That doesn't contradict my use of the word "waste". Making a choice to do something has no bearing on whether or not the effort was wasted.
5. Again, analogy. The point being that legality has nothing to do with mutual respect. But that's just one of the many points you've missed here. Keep clutching at those straws...eventually you may grasp enough to build a raft. 1. Your argument is completely nullified by your own admission that it isn't about legality; CCP is quite clearly on the right side of the law in this scenario. Which brings us to 2. They haven't gone back on their word. Their word is the EULA, that pesky document that so stubbornly flies in the face of all of your arguments. They reserve the right to make changes to the game whenever they so choose. And no, they aren't devaluing Aurum by removing these BPOs. The introduction of BPOs are what devalued the game's entire economy (you know, the whole "you're risking ISK every time you put on a suit or summon a vehicle." 3. No, what you've done is frame a straw man argument and declared yourself the victor, because obviously CCP is removing these obsolete modules in order to make a cooking game...which I'll apparently be happy to support, seeing as to how I don't share your views. 4. Opportunity cost. You have made the decision to spend real money on virtual currency with no guarantee that the item you want will remain in the game. The cost of this decision is what you would have otherwise have spent that money on. There is no "waste." 5. Analogies work much better when they're logically sound. Not surprising, as your concept of "mutual respect" is entirely a one-sided affair that refuses to consider the reasons why CCP felt this move was necessary, or that they're acting in good faith by offering a full refund to those directly affected by their decision. 5.
Not even worth a rebuttal.
No.
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
161
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Posted - 2013.11.26 02:20:00 -
[51] - Quote
Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:[
It's rather too often that people miss the point of an argument online, but you just managed some sort of record there.
1. I answered that in the next sentence. That one you were apparently able to quote, but not read.
2. They aren't improving the game if they're going back on their word as well as devaluing the currency they rely on to make money for the game.
3. This is what's called an "analogy", where a person uses a hypothetical scenario to demonstrate the points being discussed.
4. That doesn't contradict my use of the word "waste". Making a choice to do something has no bearing on whether or not the effort was wasted.
5. Again, analogy. The point being that legality has nothing to do with mutual respect. But that's just one of the many points you've missed here. Keep clutching at those straws...eventually you may grasp enough to build a raft. 1. Your argument is completely nullified by your own admission that it isn't about legality; CCP is quite clearly on the right side of the law in this scenario. Which brings us to 2. They haven't gone back on their word. Their word is the EULA, that pesky document that so stubbornly flies in the face of all of your arguments. They reserve the right to make changes to the game whenever they so choose. And no, they aren't devaluing Aurum by removing these BPOs. The introduction of BPOs are what devalued the game's entire economy (you know, the whole "you're risking ISK every time you put on a suit or summon a vehicle." 3. No, what you've done is frame a straw man argument and declared yourself the victor, because obviously CCP is removing these obsolete modules in order to make a cooking game...which I'll apparently be happy to support, seeing as to how I don't share your views. 4. Opportunity cost. You have made the decision to spend real money on virtual currency with no guarantee that the item you want will remain in the game. The cost of this decision is what you would have otherwise have spent that money on. There is no "waste." 5. Analogies work much better when they're logically sound. Not surprising, as your concept of "mutual respect" is entirely a one-sided affair that refuses to consider the reasons why CCP felt this move was necessary, or that they're acting in good faith by offering a full refund to those directly affected by their decision. 5.
TL;DR. Anyway who is this CU NT and why should any of us care about his opinion. I sure as FUC K don't!
I can has ISK
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Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
280
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:48:00 -
[52] - Quote
Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:
TL;DR. Anyway who is this CU NT and why should any of us care about his opinion. I sure as FUC K don't!
Aww, shucks, you do care!
By the way, how's the class-action suit going? *snicker*
Life is killing me.
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PADDEHATPIGEN
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
96
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Posted - 2013.11.26 16:29:00 -
[53] - Quote
spike2000 wrote:what is cpm?
CPM = Counsil of planetary management.
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billy bloodbath2
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.11.26 23:43:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:They're perfectly safe in your inventory. This has already been stated by CCP.You will keep BPOs you already have, but you simply won't be able to get more. There is one whiner plastering GD with threads at the moment about how BPOs for non-existent items are being refunded and how that's clearly an awful thing and he should be reimbursed further, but nobody intelligent actually agrees with him. perfectly safe until ccp decided they don't like that bpo anymore so remove the item its based on without warning you
I cant believe ccp wont comment on this, let alone doing it.
way to make your small player base even smaller
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billy bloodbath2
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.11.28 19:17:00 -
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BUMP
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
169
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Posted - 2013.11.28 19:24:00 -
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billy bloodbath2 wrote:BUMP
BUMP
I can has ISK
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NomaDz 2K
DUTY FR33
87
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Posted - 2013.11.28 19:24:00 -
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billy bloodbath2 wrote:BUMP I BUMP ZI BUMP! |
spike2000
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
13
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Posted - 2013.11.29 00:47:00 -
[58] - Quote
Bump
Level 3 forum warrior
Harbinger of destruction and wrath among the warriors.
SVER TRUE BLOOD
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