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spike2000
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:07:00 -
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Blueprint. Meens forever right? or unlimited. Well ccp has decided to remove the packs from playstation network. Now are the blueprints we allready posses going to be taken from us aswell? If our blueprints are taken their better be a good and logical reason, and their should be some form of a refund. Well....Players...It is up to us now with what happens to this game. Let CCP hear your voice on these forums, let the people control the game. Power to the players. ~Spike2000
The instructor of fear.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
5370
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:19:00 -
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They're perfectly safe in your inventory. This has already been stated by CCP. You will keep BPOs you already have, but you simply won't be able to get more.
There is one whiner plastering GD with threads at the moment about how BPOs for non-existent items are being refunded and how that's clearly an awful thing and he should be reimbursed further, but nobody intelligent actually agrees with him.
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Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
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Sarcastic Dreamkiller
Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo
67
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:20:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:They're perfectly safe in your inventory. This has already been stated by CCP.You will keep BPOs you already have, but you simply won't be able to get more. There is one whiner plastering GD with threads at the moment about how BPOs for non-existent items are being refunded and how that's clearly an awful thing and he should be reimbursed further, but nobody intelligent actually agrees with him. 100% right |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2300
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:13:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:They're perfectly safe in your inventory. This has already been stated by CCP.You will keep BPOs you already have, but you simply won't be able to get more. There is one whiner plastering GD with threads at the moment about how BPOs for non-existent items are being refunded and how that's clearly an awful thing and he should be reimbursed further, but nobody intelligent actually agrees with him.
Well then they're clearly not safe, are they. CCP only needs to change the items they represent, then remove them, and to you they will have fulfilled their promise, and still removed our BPOs.
CCP could have easily replaced the removed BPOs with equivalents from the new content. Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers.
No.
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
149
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:16:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:They're perfectly safe in your inventory. This has already been stated by CCP.You will keep BPOs you already have, but you simply won't be able to get more. There is one whiner plastering GD with threads at the moment about how BPOs for non-existent items are being refunded and how that's clearly an awful thing and he should be reimbursed further, but nobody intelligent actually agrees with him. Well then they're clearly not safe, are they. CCP only needs to change the items they represent, then remove them, and to you they will have fulfilled their promise, and still removed our BPOs. CCP could have easily replaced the removed BPOs with equivalents from the new content. Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers.
Ex-'fuc king'-actly
I can has ISK
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Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
267
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:21:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers.
...by offering them a full refund for the modules that are being replaced? Yeah, real screwed. I'll have to remember this the next time I go out and buy something, use it for an extended period of time and then demand that I receive more than I paid. I'm sure that'll go over real well.
Life is killing me.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10699
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:23:00 -
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Barring game design needs as long as the regular of that item is in the bpos should stay.
If they can be sold on secondary? we wont know at the moment.
Will they stay the same? we also won't know either. For all we know they could go like eve and make them just a source of making items or other blueprints.
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Omni-Soldier Specialist
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spike2000
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
10
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:26:00 -
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what is cpm?
LVL 1 FORUM WARRIOR.
Harbinger of destruction and wrath among the warriors.
SVER TRUE BLOOD
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
150
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:26:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers. ...by offering them a full refund for the modules that are being replaced? Yeah, real screwed. I'll have to remember this the next time I go out and buy something, use it for an extended period of time and then demand that I receive more than I paid. I'm sure that'll go over real well.
This whole scenario is more like a mandatory company recall that you must adhere to, but which they must compensate you for, not us going to them demanding an exchange/refund after a short period of time. In this situation they would have to offer a refund, store credit, or an exchange for an item of equal value, or a replacement of said item. CCP are only giving us one option instead of four that I have stated that consumers are entitled to.
I can has ISK
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2303
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:33:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers. ...by offering them a full refund for the modules that are being replaced? Yeah, real screwed. I'll have to remember this the next time I go out and buy something, use it for an extended period of time and then demand that I receive more than I paid. I'm sure that'll go over real well.
Of what good is a refund, if you can't buy the items you wanted in the first place? BPOs are now irreplaceable, and since we now know that anything we purchase with aurum has no guarantee of any kind, the currency has lost its value. So yes, very screwed. An invaluable item was replaced with a flawed currency. Not a great exchange is it?
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2303
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:37:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Barring game design needs as long as the regular of that item is in the bpos should stay.
If they can be sold on secondary? we wont know at the moment.
Will they stay the same? we also won't know either. For all we know they could go like eve and make them just a source of making items or other blueprints.
We do know exactly. CCP has made it clear with this action, that they don't mind pissing us off, so long as it can minimise the use of BPOs. So we can be sure that they aren't going to let us trade them. Not integrating blueprints into a player market is childsplay compared to forcibly removing them from player inventories.
No.
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Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
268
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:50:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers. ...by offering them a full refund for the modules that are being replaced? Yeah, real screwed. I'll have to remember this the next time I go out and buy something, use it for an extended period of time and then demand that I receive more than I paid. I'm sure that'll go over real well. This whole scenario is more like a mandatory company recall that you must adhere to, but which they must compensate you for, not us going to them demanding an exchange/refund after a short period of time. In this situation they would have to offer a refund, store credit, or an exchange for an item of equal value, or a replacement of said item. CCP are only giving us one option instead of four that I have stated that consumers are entitled to.
Your four options: 1. Refund: What CCP is doing. They have no control over the actual "real" money that was spent to purchase the Aurum. 2. Store Credit: Providing you with the Aurum you purchased, and are now free to spend as you wish in the "store." No different than a refund. 3. Exchange: See above. You're free to exchange the Aurum you originally purchased for something else now. 4. Replacement: You can't replace discontinued items/goods. That's just the way of the world.
Look, I'm going to set aside my snark for a moment and speak matter-of-factly: CCP is no doubt following the legal advice that they were given. I highly doubt that a group of them got together one day and decided to **** off a portion of their user base just for sh*ts and giggles; rather, they recognized that the products to be removed are either no longer functioning as intended or were no longer needed in light of changes being made (that the company obviously feels were needed.) So, they are doing what they can (refunding the Aurum used to purchase the modules that have been removed) while adhering to EULA set forth by them and--more importantly--Sony. In an ideal world, CCP could simply refund customers the full cash value of the Aurum purchased...but they can't for legal reasons. So yes, I understand why you're upset, but CCP is beholden to the EULA just as much as you are and are free to pursue improving the game (as best they can) so long as they offer recompense to those that may be effected.
Life is killing me.
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Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
268
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:53:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers. ...by offering them a full refund for the modules that are being replaced? Yeah, real screwed. I'll have to remember this the next time I go out and buy something, use it for an extended period of time and then demand that I receive more than I paid. I'm sure that'll go over real well. Of what good is a refund, if you can't buy the items you wanted in the first place? BPOs are now irreplaceable, and since we now know that anything we purchase with aurum has no guarantee of any kind, the currency has lost its value. So yes, very screwed. An invaluable item was replaced with a flawed currency. Not a great exchange is it? ...that's why you READ the EULA before purchasing virtual goods/currency. There is no guarantee that the items you wish to buy will remain in the game--any game, for that matter--so the purchaser assumes that risk when going ahead with the purchase. Conversely, if you're wanting your money back and not Aurum, that's a matter between you and Sony, and not CCP.
Life is killing me.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2306
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Posted - 2013.11.25 02:13:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers. ...by offering them a full refund for the modules that are being replaced? Yeah, real screwed. I'll have to remember this the next time I go out and buy something, use it for an extended period of time and then demand that I receive more than I paid. I'm sure that'll go over real well. Of what good is a refund, if you can't buy the items you wanted in the first place? BPOs are now irreplaceable, and since we now know that anything we purchase with aurum has no guarantee of any kind, the currency has lost its value. So yes, very screwed. An invaluable item was replaced with a flawed currency. Not a great exchange is it? ...that's why you READ the EULA before purchasing virtual goods/currency. There is no guarantee that the items you wish to buy will remain in the game--any game, for that matter--so the purchaser assumes that risk when going ahead with the purchase. Conversely, if you're wanting your money back and not Aurum, that's a matter between you and Sony, and not CCP.
Oh, not another EULA moron. Bullshit. This isn't about legality. This is about CCP having no respect for their customers. Legally CCP can turn this game into a cooking sim if they want to. They'd be f*cking idiots if they tried, but apparently you'd be okay with it. Sure you wasted all that time and money spent on it, but hey, it doesn't break the law! I hope you don't manage your personal relationships like that, "hey honey, I slept with that girl at work, but I obeyed all traffic laws in the process, so you can't be mad at me"
No.
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Justice Prevails
111
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Posted - 2013.11.25 02:36:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:They're perfectly safe in your inventory. This has already been stated by CCP.You will keep BPOs you already have, but you simply won't be able to get more. There is one whiner plastering GD with threads at the moment about how BPOs for non-existent items are being refunded and how that's clearly an awful thing and he should be reimbursed further, but nobody intelligent actually agrees with him.
Did not have the BPOs in question, but I am happy that people are raising hell about them. It gives CCP a heads up.
I bought the vet and elite packs mainly for the BPOs, the aurum in my mind was a bonus. I know at the moment there are no plans to remove them. But this uproar over 4 vehicle modules will be nothing compared to fire and brimstone that would rain if CCP did try to remove the BPOs from mercs who bought the packs.
For all the people who say BPOs are bad for dust. Matchmaking and pubstomping are more immediate and serious threats to the survival to the game. Think a new player gives a crap about the economy when he is going 1-15 in a pub match?
Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
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Sarcastic Dreamkiller
Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo
67
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Posted - 2013.11.25 11:23:00 -
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Justice Prevails wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:They're perfectly safe in your inventory. This has already been stated by CCP.You will keep BPOs you already have, but you simply won't be able to get more. There is one whiner plastering GD with threads at the moment about how BPOs for non-existent items are being refunded and how that's clearly an awful thing and he should be reimbursed further, but nobody intelligent actually agrees with him. Did not have the BPOs in question, but I am happy that people are raising hell about them. It gives CCP a heads up. I bought the vet and elite packs mainly for the BPOs, the aurum in my mind was a bonus. I know at the moment there are no plans to remove them. But this uproar over 4 vehicle modules will be nothing compared to fire and brimstone that would rain if CCP did try to remove the BPOs from mercs who bought the packs. For all the people who say BPOs are bad for dust. Matchmaking and pubstomping are more immediate and serious threats to the survival of the game. Think a new player gives a crap about the economy when he is going 1-15 in a pub match? True, but the majority of players probably don't give a crap about the economy in the first place. There is no proof that anyone cares about the economy aside from those who whine about it on here. |
Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
150
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Posted - 2013.11.25 11:32:00 -
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I'm fine with a refund (I think I have one BPO module being refunded in the upcoming patch). what I am NOT fine with is now the lack of options in the aurum marketplace. There are no more BPO's, and these were the best value. I have never, and will never buy expendable modules,suits or weapons since these are terrible value for those players that can already use the isk version. Boosters remain the only viable thing to purchase, so it would be nice for them to introduce other aurum features, like vanity skins, limited aurum respecs and all the other boosters.
Receiving a refund for a BPO is fine by me if I have something worthwhile to spend it on :) |
Saheiji
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
26
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Posted - 2013.11.25 11:33:00 -
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spike2000 wrote:Let CCP hear your voice on these forums, let the people control the game. Power to the players. ~Spike2000
That is exactly what's happening. You all probably know, how many DUST 514 players wanted CCP to change the way vehicles work. They are trying to do this, radically change them to make them more "playable". Removing these BPOs seems to be the price of this - probably not the best solution, true. But I doubt that anything else is in danger of being removed - unless, say, DUST 514 players let CCP hear their voices by crying for a full Dropsuit or weapons rebalance. Then they might try to radically change things for you again...see what I mean?
Say YES to change.
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
263
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Posted - 2013.11.25 11:35:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers. ...by offering them a full refund for the modules that are being replaced? Yeah, real screwed. I'll have to remember this the next time I go out and buy something, use it for an extended period of time and then demand that I receive more than I paid. I'm sure that'll go over real well. Of what good is a refund, if you can't buy the items you wanted in the first place? BPOs are now irreplaceable, and since we now know that anything we purchase with aurum has no guarantee of any kind, the currency has lost its value. So yes, very screwed. An invaluable item was replaced with a flawed currency. Not a great exchange is it? ...that's why you READ the EULA before purchasing virtual goods/currency. There is no guarantee that the items you wish to buy will remain in the game--any game, for that matter--so the purchaser assumes that risk when going ahead with the purchase. Conversely, if you're wanting your money back and not Aurum, that's a matter between you and Sony, and not CCP.
The thing is, it is not as easy there are laws protecting customers and it really doesen't matter whats in the EULA if the EULA violated these customer rights. So in general Customer Rights (by law) overrule the EULA.
So just imagine you go to a store that advertise and offer coffee BUT in that stores EULA stands he can serve you tea as well. Can he serve you tea? Sure. Is he allowed to do it? No. He advertised coffee and he has to serve you coffee if you buy coffee by serving tea you are put at a disproportional disadvantage.
You as customer could accept tea instead of coffee or you could take actions against this behavior either by contacting the store to find a solution or but taking legal actions against the store.
Don't get me wrong I think the way CCP solved the current issue is fine. |
Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
152
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Posted - 2013.11.25 11:39:00 -
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The BPO's in the packs will be safe, you paid for those with real money. The BPO's in question are MILITIA Vehicle Mods. Ones bought by Aurum.
Contact WaTcHoUt1219 ZARTA for Logos. More are available. 500K ISK.
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Guinevere Bravo
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
454
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Posted - 2013.11.25 11:43:00 -
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I havent been posting much due to real life. But i need to make sure that the right voices are heard.
Taking away BPOs when we cant buy them anymore and offering a refund of AUR? Disgusting. Why didnt you wait to remove the BPOs from the market once you had done the Vehicle balance? Oh wait you might of if you managed to get the update out on time!!
So if we had adheared to the original schedule, there would of been replacement BPOs put on the market to replace the now redundant ones, which everyone could of bought before CCP removed them entirely.
EULA Blah blah, CCP can do what they want blah blah
Im not interested, I want a REPLACEMENT BPO for the one i already have. At the end of the day i paid real money for the ability to run a fully fit LAV for free(albeit a crappy one). And I would like to keep that an option.
If there is no compramise reached, we should burn it all down guys, DUST version of Burn Jita. Or we go play something else and speak with our wallets until this is fixed. |
Saheiji
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
27
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Posted - 2013.11.25 12:04:00 -
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Guinevere Bravo wrote:Or we go play something else and speak with our wallets until this is fixed.
Yes, please leave... The four to-be-removed BPOs are not the only vehicle modules that have BPO versions, right? We will still be able to use fully fitted BPO LAVs.
Why is the AUR refund disgusting? That's about all they can do. They can't give PSN store credits like most players would want them to, and they probably don't want to give out other BPOs. Removing them from the Market was a pretty clear sign of that.
Say YES to change.
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
916
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Posted - 2013.11.25 12:05:00 -
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Someone needs to keep count of how many of these threads open. We have to be around the 30th mark by now.
You know, sometimes I wonder. Would people here do the worm if you took their crutches away? They're helpless as is.
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
1064
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Posted - 2013.11.25 12:17:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:They're perfectly safe in your inventory. This has already been stated by CCP.You will keep BPOs you already have, but you simply won't be able to get more. There is one whiner plastering GD with threads at the moment about how BPOs for non-existent items are being refunded and how that's clearly an awful thing and he should be reimbursed further, but nobody intelligent actually agrees with him. Well then they're clearly not safe, are they. CCP only needs to change the items they represent, then remove them, and to you they will have fulfilled their promise, and still removed our BPOs. CCP could have easily replaced the removed BPOs with equivalents from the new content. Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers.
Nog really they gave you back aurum, which you can now spend on whatever you choose. They don't want people buying BPO units anymore, imagine if you did that in EVE.
The thing is not only have you got use out of the BPO, you now get extra use of it later on. If CCP want to take out BPO units its there call, they reserved the right to do so, at anytime.
But if they are taking and limiting them why do you think they are doing that? Because they are ***holes and they can? Because they want to limit the use of them in open markets? Because they want to changd them completly, so much so you'd prefer the aurum?
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
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A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
439
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Posted - 2013.11.25 12:37:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers. ...by offering them a full refund for the modules that are being replaced? Yeah, real screwed. I'll have to remember this the next time I go out and buy something, use it for an extended period of time and then demand that I receive more than I paid. I'm sure that'll go over real well.
On the one hand not a bad example but on the other it more like
You bought this really nice tv that we are taking back and here is some store credit to the value of your tv. You want another tv? Sorry we don't sell those anymore but we do sell tissue paper so buy as much as you want. |
Guinevere Bravo
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
454
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Posted - 2013.11.25 14:01:00 -
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Saheiji wrote:Guinevere Bravo wrote:Or we go play something else and speak with our wallets until this is fixed. Yes, please leave... The four to-be-removed BPOs are not the only vehicle modules that have BPO versions, right? We will still be able to use fully fitted BPO LAVs. Why is the AUR refund disgusting? That's about all they can do. They can't give PSN store credits like most players would want them to, and they probably don't want to give out other BPOs. Removing them from the Market was a pretty clear sign of that.
Well if everyone who feels the same way i do left, you can go and shoot other like minded idiots so thats fine. Get your nose out of CCPs arse.
Its disgusting because as far as im concerned we had no choice in the matter, and taking something away from me which i have paid REAL money for against my wishes is not on. Its like I buy a book, but then the publisher wants it back, so they take the book, destroy it, and give me my money back. But i liked that book, so I wouldnt of given it back if it was physical property, whereas here its 'hey guys, were taking your stuff and you can have some crappy amount of AUR in return! Plus theres no choice in the matter.' Well thanks?
If there are other BPOs then swap em out for another BPO, dont refund the AUR that we cannot then go and buy different BPOs with... I dont want to spend my REAL money on expendable gear. Never have, never will. If your happy running around with your 'blindfire' AR more power to you.
Plus I have a feeling most of the guys that are whining about giving the BPOs back, didnt have the foresight to buy them in the first place, so there getting a little kick now watching people who did, fight to get them back. |
Saheiji
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
27
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Posted - 2013.11.25 14:32:00 -
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Guinevere Bravo wrote:Well if everyone who feels the same way i do left, you can go and shoot other like minded idiots so thats fine. Get your nose out of CCPs arse.
CCPs arse, huh? They wish. You seem to misinterpret what I am saying. I think we can agree on one thing - DUST 514 is simply not good at the moment. I can barely endure playing 2-3 matches a day. Things need to be changed, fixed, and soon. If this costs 4 vehicle BPOs, so be it. Also, I'd love if everyone would just quit whining. There were about 10 players posting about how bad this BPO issue is, and I still think that they should just leave - or take a time-out - if this bothers them so much. This game has so much potential, and needs a lot of changes to be good. Let them try and change stuff.
Oh, and please do not call me an idiot. Thanks.
Say YES to change.
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Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
272
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:02:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote: Oh, not another EULA moron. Bullshit. This isn't about legality.
Then what is it about? CCP just decided to upset their customers for the hell of it?
Chunky Munkey wrote:This is about CCP having no respect for their customers. Oh, I get it now! CCP obviously doesn't respect the collection of players that use their product; I mean, how DARE they try to improve their game? A very small portion of their consumer base might get upset!
Chunky Munkey wrote:Legally CCP can turn this game into a cooking sim if they want to. They'd be f*cking idiots if they tried, but apparently you'd be okay with it. In other words, I can't actually argue against your basic statement and will therefor throw out unrealistic "what ifs" that might support my view. Got it.
Chunky Munkey wrote:Sure you wasted all that time and money spent on it, but hey, it doesn't break the law! You didn't waste any time/money; you chose to purchase Aurum--which can't be refunded--to purchase virtual items that, by accepting the EULA, you knew could be removed or altered at CCP's discretion.
Chunky Munkey wrote:I hope you don't manage your personal relationships like that, "hey honey, I slept with that girl at work, but I obeyed all traffic laws in the process, so you can't be mad at me" Considering the fact that I've been with same woman for seventeen years now and married for twelve of those, I find your pathetic attempt at sarcasm to be highly amusing. Keep trying, though!
Life is killing me.
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Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
272
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:13:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:The thing is, it is not as easy there are laws protecting customers and it really doesen't matter whats in the EULA if the EULA violated these customer rights. So in general Customer Rights (by law) overrule the EULA. ...and you don't think that CCP consulted with legal experts before crafting their EULA? I can guarantee you that they knew the laws going into this, just as I can guarantee you that haven't broken any laws by removing aspects of the game that they feel are no longer needed (and providing compensation in doing so.)
Korvin Lomont wrote:So just imagine you go to a store that advertise and offer coffee BUT in that stores EULA stands he can serve you tea as well. Can he serve you tea? Sure. Is he allowed to do it? No. He advertised coffee and he has to serve you coffee if you buy coffee by serving tea you are put at a disproportional disadvantage. Please go and read the fine print of damn near any sales contract. Unless you can prove that the agreement was made under duress, you have no legal standing if you voluntarily enter into a contract agreement.
Korvin Lomont wrote:You as customer could accept tea instead of coffee or you could take actions against this behavior either by contacting the store to find a solution or but taking legal actions against the store. ...and you'll find that many stores will work with you to remedy the situation to the best of their ability...just as CCP is doing, by offering to refund the Aurum that you spent on the items that will no longer be offered. As far as taking legal action, see my above response. If the store has made it clear that you may receive tea instead of coffee (and in this case, we'll argue that CCP has decided to replace the coffee with tea due to not believing that the coffee is of sufficient standard to serve customers) and you still make a purchase...well, you have ZERO legal standing.
Korvin Lomont wrote:Don't get me wrong I think the way CCP solved the current issue is fine, I just wanted to point out that just because something is written in the EULA you have to blindly follow the EULA... And in the early years of EULAs, I'd agree with you. But as they have grown more and more common, EULAs are designed to withstand any conceivable legal challenge made against them.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:25:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote: 1. Then what is it about? CCP just decided to upset their customers for the hell of it?
2. Oh, I get it now! CCP obviously doesn't respect the collection of players that use their product; I mean, how DARE they try to improve their game? A very small portion of their consumer base might get upset!
3. In other words, I can't actually argue against your basic statement and will therefor throw out unrealistic "what ifs" that might support my view. Got it.
4. You didn't waste any time/money; you chose to purchase Aurum--which can't be refunded--to purchase virtual items that, by accepting the EULA, you knew could be removed or altered at CCP's discretion.
5. Considering the fact that I've been with same woman for seventeen years now and married for twelve of those, I find your pathetic attempt at sarcasm to be highly amusing. Keep trying, though!
It's rather too often that people miss the point of an argument online, but you just managed some sort of record there.
1. I answered that in the next sentence. That one you were apparently able to quote, but not read.
2. They aren't improving the game if they're going back on their word as well as devaluing the currency they rely on to make money for the game.
3. This is what's called an "analogy", where a person uses a hypothetical scenario to demonstrate the points being discussed.
4. That doesn't contradict my use of the word "waste". Making a choice to do something has no bearing on whether or not the effort was wasted.
5. Again, analogy. The point being that legality has nothing to do with mutual respect. But that's just one of the many points you've missed here.
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