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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:16:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:They're perfectly safe in your inventory. This has already been stated by CCP.You will keep BPOs you already have, but you simply won't be able to get more. There is one whiner plastering GD with threads at the moment about how BPOs for non-existent items are being refunded and how that's clearly an awful thing and he should be reimbursed further, but nobody intelligent actually agrees with him. Well then they're clearly not safe, are they. CCP only needs to change the items they represent, then remove them, and to you they will have fulfilled their promise, and still removed our BPOs. CCP could have easily replaced the removed BPOs with equivalents from the new content. Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers.
Ex-'fuc king'-actly
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:26:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers. ...by offering them a full refund for the modules that are being replaced? Yeah, real screwed. I'll have to remember this the next time I go out and buy something, use it for an extended period of time and then demand that I receive more than I paid. I'm sure that'll go over real well.
This whole scenario is more like a mandatory company recall that you must adhere to, but which they must compensate you for, not us going to them demanding an exchange/refund after a short period of time. In this situation they would have to offer a refund, store credit, or an exchange for an item of equal value, or a replacement of said item. CCP are only giving us one option instead of four that I have stated that consumers are entitled to.
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:28:00 -
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A'Real Fury wrote:Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers. ...by offering them a full refund for the modules that are being replaced? Yeah, real screwed. I'll have to remember this the next time I go out and buy something, use it for an extended period of time and then demand that I receive more than I paid. I'm sure that'll go over real well. On the one hand not a bad example but on the other it more like You bought this really nice tv that we are taking back and here is some store credit to the value of your tv. You want another tv? Sorry we don't sell those anymore but we do sell tissue paper so buy as much as you want.
FUC KING THIS^
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:35:00 -
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NomaDz 2K wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers. ...by offering them a full refund for the modules that are being replaced? Yeah, real screwed. I'll have to remember this the next time I go out and buy something, use it for an extended period of time and then demand that I receive more than I paid. I'm sure that'll go over real well. This whole scenario is more like a mandatory company recall that you must adhere to, but which they must compensate you for, not us going to them demanding an exchange/refund after a short period of time. In this situation they would have to offer a refund, store credit, or an exchange for an item of equal value, or a replacement of said item. CCP are only giving us one option instead of four that I have stated that consumers are entitled to. ^^In cases of Law it's called a Settlement - AKA A MUTUAL AGREEMENT . Peac3
And this whole scenario is not a mutual agreement. I do not agree to the 'settlement', many other BPO owners do not consider this a mutual agreement as they were never consulted by CCP on what sort of refund, reimbursement they would like. Therefore, this is NOT a settlement as NO mutual agreement had been reached.
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:40:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Sarcastic Dreamkiller wrote:
It's not about the vehicle changes. The changes are being used as an excuse to remove the BPOs. It shows the level to which they will go to take things from us. I'm not concerned about any legal implications, I'm concerned about how meaningless aurum transactions become, when they are treated with such disdain.
The BPO's were removed because they won't work anymore, it was actually pretty nice of CCP to provide the compensation that they did considering they could have just let them sit in people's assets for no reason (why keep something that you can't use?) AUR transactions are already meaningless, they became that way the moment blueprints were taken off the market.
If CCP was dedicated to their word not to remove BPOs from inventories, they could have replaced the BPOs with equivalents from the new content.[/quote]
This is simply CCP exploiting a situation where they can screw over their customers, use some bull **** excuse to try and cover their ass which many people don't accept, and carry out their intended removal of ALL BPOs from this point on.
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
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Posted - 2013.11.25 19:15:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Saheiji wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:This is about CCP having no respect for their customers. I disagree. The customers, players, Mercenaries - whatever you want to call us - have been asking CCP to change the vehicles. We have been asking for a long time. I admit, what they do is quite radical, but hey, we wanted the change. Are those 4 BPOs really that important? Or do you really think this is just the start and they want to remove all BPOs? In one of these threads about the BPOs I posted my opinion about this, and I still do not think they could legally pull off removing any BPOs that were part of a bundle purchased on the PSN store. However, nothing could stop them from removing all standard Market-place BPOs. Maybe respect for their customers? Only time will tell. It's not about the vehicle changes. The changes are being used as an excuse to remove the BPOs. It shows the level to which they will go to take things from us. I'm not concerned about any legal implications, I'm concerned about how meaningless aurum transactions become, when they are treated with such disdain. Ok conspiracy theorist tell me why CCP wouldn't just remove all of the vehicle BPOs right now and excuse it with the vehicle rebalance? If they were in fact covering up the removal with the rebalance then it would only be logical if they removed at least more then just 4 pretty useless BPOs. Please give me a reasonable explanation for that.
First off they aren't 4 useless BPOs as I already use 3 of the 4 on my Blood Raider and Ishukone Watch Sagas to max out it's slots, and give myself a fully kitted and completely free LAV to run people down with.
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
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Posted - 2013.11.25 20:52:00 -
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Only since CCP decided to FUC K them up themselves, as they are now they are perfectly suited to fulfill their intended purpose, and so as well as any other BPO or module in the game.
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
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Posted - 2013.11.26 02:20:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:[
It's rather too often that people miss the point of an argument online, but you just managed some sort of record there.
1. I answered that in the next sentence. That one you were apparently able to quote, but not read.
2. They aren't improving the game if they're going back on their word as well as devaluing the currency they rely on to make money for the game.
3. This is what's called an "analogy", where a person uses a hypothetical scenario to demonstrate the points being discussed.
4. That doesn't contradict my use of the word "waste". Making a choice to do something has no bearing on whether or not the effort was wasted.
5. Again, analogy. The point being that legality has nothing to do with mutual respect. But that's just one of the many points you've missed here. Keep clutching at those straws...eventually you may grasp enough to build a raft. 1. Your argument is completely nullified by your own admission that it isn't about legality; CCP is quite clearly on the right side of the law in this scenario. Which brings us to 2. They haven't gone back on their word. Their word is the EULA, that pesky document that so stubbornly flies in the face of all of your arguments. They reserve the right to make changes to the game whenever they so choose. And no, they aren't devaluing Aurum by removing these BPOs. The introduction of BPOs are what devalued the game's entire economy (you know, the whole "you're risking ISK every time you put on a suit or summon a vehicle." 3. No, what you've done is frame a straw man argument and declared yourself the victor, because obviously CCP is removing these obsolete modules in order to make a cooking game...which I'll apparently be happy to support, seeing as to how I don't share your views. 4. Opportunity cost. You have made the decision to spend real money on virtual currency with no guarantee that the item you want will remain in the game. The cost of this decision is what you would have otherwise have spent that money on. There is no "waste." 5. Analogies work much better when they're logically sound. Not surprising, as your concept of "mutual respect" is entirely a one-sided affair that refuses to consider the reasons why CCP felt this move was necessary, or that they're acting in good faith by offering a full refund to those directly affected by their decision. 5.
TL;DR. Anyway who is this CU NT and why should any of us care about his opinion. I sure as FUC K don't!
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
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Posted - 2013.11.28 19:24:00 -
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billy bloodbath2 wrote:BUMP
BUMP
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