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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:13:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:They're perfectly safe in your inventory. This has already been stated by CCP.You will keep BPOs you already have, but you simply won't be able to get more. There is one whiner plastering GD with threads at the moment about how BPOs for non-existent items are being refunded and how that's clearly an awful thing and he should be reimbursed further, but nobody intelligent actually agrees with him.
Well then they're clearly not safe, are they. CCP only needs to change the items they represent, then remove them, and to you they will have fulfilled their promise, and still removed our BPOs.
CCP could have easily replaced the removed BPOs with equivalents from the new content. Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2303
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:33:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers. ...by offering them a full refund for the modules that are being replaced? Yeah, real screwed. I'll have to remember this the next time I go out and buy something, use it for an extended period of time and then demand that I receive more than I paid. I'm sure that'll go over real well.
Of what good is a refund, if you can't buy the items you wanted in the first place? BPOs are now irreplaceable, and since we now know that anything we purchase with aurum has no guarantee of any kind, the currency has lost its value. So yes, very screwed. An invaluable item was replaced with a flawed currency. Not a great exchange is it?
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2303
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:37:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Barring game design needs as long as the regular of that item is in the bpos should stay.
If they can be sold on secondary? we wont know at the moment.
Will they stay the same? we also won't know either. For all we know they could go like eve and make them just a source of making items or other blueprints.
We do know exactly. CCP has made it clear with this action, that they don't mind pissing us off, so long as it can minimise the use of BPOs. So we can be sure that they aren't going to let us trade them. Not integrating blueprints into a player market is childsplay compared to forcibly removing them from player inventories.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2306
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Posted - 2013.11.25 02:13:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Instead they took advantage of the vehicle changes to screw over their customers. ...by offering them a full refund for the modules that are being replaced? Yeah, real screwed. I'll have to remember this the next time I go out and buy something, use it for an extended period of time and then demand that I receive more than I paid. I'm sure that'll go over real well. Of what good is a refund, if you can't buy the items you wanted in the first place? BPOs are now irreplaceable, and since we now know that anything we purchase with aurum has no guarantee of any kind, the currency has lost its value. So yes, very screwed. An invaluable item was replaced with a flawed currency. Not a great exchange is it? ...that's why you READ the EULA before purchasing virtual goods/currency. There is no guarantee that the items you wish to buy will remain in the game--any game, for that matter--so the purchaser assumes that risk when going ahead with the purchase. Conversely, if you're wanting your money back and not Aurum, that's a matter between you and Sony, and not CCP.
Oh, not another EULA moron. Bullshit. This isn't about legality. This is about CCP having no respect for their customers. Legally CCP can turn this game into a cooking sim if they want to. They'd be f*cking idiots if they tried, but apparently you'd be okay with it. Sure you wasted all that time and money spent on it, but hey, it doesn't break the law! I hope you don't manage your personal relationships like that, "hey honey, I slept with that girl at work, but I obeyed all traffic laws in the process, so you can't be mad at me"
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2318
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:25:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote: 1. Then what is it about? CCP just decided to upset their customers for the hell of it?
2. Oh, I get it now! CCP obviously doesn't respect the collection of players that use their product; I mean, how DARE they try to improve their game? A very small portion of their consumer base might get upset!
3. In other words, I can't actually argue against your basic statement and will therefor throw out unrealistic "what ifs" that might support my view. Got it.
4. You didn't waste any time/money; you chose to purchase Aurum--which can't be refunded--to purchase virtual items that, by accepting the EULA, you knew could be removed or altered at CCP's discretion.
5. Considering the fact that I've been with same woman for seventeen years now and married for twelve of those, I find your pathetic attempt at sarcasm to be highly amusing. Keep trying, though!
It's rather too often that people miss the point of an argument online, but you just managed some sort of record there.
1. I answered that in the next sentence. That one you were apparently able to quote, but not read.
2. They aren't improving the game if they're going back on their word as well as devaluing the currency they rely on to make money for the game.
3. This is what's called an "analogy", where a person uses a hypothetical scenario to demonstrate the points being discussed.
4. That doesn't contradict my use of the word "waste". Making a choice to do something has no bearing on whether or not the effort was wasted.
5. Again, analogy. The point being that legality has nothing to do with mutual respect. But that's just one of the many points you've missed here.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2321
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:47:00 -
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Saheiji wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:This is about CCP having no respect for their customers. I disagree. The customers, players, Mercenaries - whatever you want to call us - have been asking CCP to change the vehicles. We have been asking for a long time. I admit, what they do is quite radical, but hey, we wanted the change. Are those 4 BPOs really that important? Or do you really think this is just the start and they want to remove all BPOs? In one of these threads about the BPOs I posted my opinion about this, and I still do not think they could legally pull off removing any BPOs that were part of a bundle purchased on the PSN store. However, nothing could stop them from removing all standard Market-place BPOs. Maybe respect for their customers? Only time will tell.
It's not about the vehicle changes. The changes are being used as an excuse to remove the BPOs. It shows the level to which they will go to take things from us. I'm not concerned about any legal implications, I'm concerned about how meaningless aurum transactions become, when they are treated with such disdain.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2323
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:36:00 -
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Sarcastic Dreamkiller wrote:
It's not about the vehicle changes. The changes are being used as an excuse to remove the BPOs. It shows the level to which they will go to take things from us. I'm not concerned about any legal implications, I'm concerned about how meaningless aurum transactions become, when they are treated with such disdain.
The BPO's were removed because they won't work anymore, it was actually pretty nice of CCP to provide the compensation that they did considering they could have just let them sit in people's assets for no reason (why keep something that you can't use?) AUR transactions are already meaningless, they became that way the moment blueprints were taken off the market.[/quote]
If CCP was dedicated to their word not to remove BPOs from inventories, they could have replaced the BPOs with equivalents from the new content.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2325
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Posted - 2013.11.25 19:11:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Sarcastic Dreamkiller wrote:
It's not about the vehicle changes. The changes are being used as an excuse to remove the BPOs. It shows the level to which they will go to take things from us. I'm not concerned about any legal implications, I'm concerned about how meaningless aurum transactions become, when they are treated with such disdain.
The BPO's were removed because they won't work anymore, it was actually pretty nice of CCP to provide the compensation that they did considering they could have just let them sit in people's assets for no reason (why keep something that you can't use?) AUR transactions are already meaningless, they became that way the moment blueprints were taken off the market. If CCP was dedicated to their word not to remove BPOs from inventories, they could have replaced the BPOs with equivalents from the new content.
This is simply CCP exploiting a situation where they can screw over their customers, use some bull **** excuse to try and cover their ass which many people don't accept, and carry out their intended removal of ALL BPOs from this point on.[/quote] If they were covering their ass with the vehicle rebalance then why not remove more then 4 pretty much useless bpos. Why not remove more of the other vehicle bpos instead of just removing 4 practically useless bpos?[/quote]
Because those came with packs pirchased for real money. They're likely to be protected by regular consumer laws.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2329
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Posted - 2013.11.25 23:37:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:[
It's rather too often that people miss the point of an argument online, but you just managed some sort of record there.
1. I answered that in the next sentence. That one you were apparently able to quote, but not read.
2. They aren't improving the game if they're going back on their word as well as devaluing the currency they rely on to make money for the game.
3. This is what's called an "analogy", where a person uses a hypothetical scenario to demonstrate the points being discussed.
4. That doesn't contradict my use of the word "waste". Making a choice to do something has no bearing on whether or not the effort was wasted.
5. Again, analogy. The point being that legality has nothing to do with mutual respect. But that's just one of the many points you've missed here. Keep clutching at those straws...eventually you may grasp enough to build a raft. 1. Your argument is completely nullified by your own admission that it isn't about legality; CCP is quite clearly on the right side of the law in this scenario. Which brings us to 2. They haven't gone back on their word. Their word is the EULA, that pesky document that so stubbornly flies in the face of all of your arguments. They reserve the right to make changes to the game whenever they so choose. And no, they aren't devaluing Aurum by removing these BPOs. The introduction of BPOs are what devalued the game's entire economy (you know, the whole "you're risking ISK every time you put on a suit or summon a vehicle." 3. No, what you've done is frame a straw man argument and declared yourself the victor, because obviously CCP is removing these obsolete modules in order to make a cooking game...which I'll apparently be happy to support, seeing as to how I don't share your views. 4. Opportunity cost. You have made the decision to spend real money on virtual currency with no guarantee that the item you want will remain in the game. The cost of this decision is what you would have otherwise have spent that money on. There is no "waste." 5. Analogies work much better when they're logically sound. Not surprising, as your concept of "mutual respect" is entirely a one-sided affair that refuses to consider the reasons why CCP felt this move was necessary, or that they're acting in good faith by offering a full refund to those directly affected by their decision. 5.
Not even worth a rebuttal.
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