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Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1333	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:28:00 - [1] - Quote I have been wondering lately. Why do people skill into fotms? Does it make them feel better knowing they are using the best gear possible? I mean, what challenge is their in using (usually) much better suits or op weapons. Does it create an illusion of being better? The way I see it, is as a crutch... It makes the game boring, seing everyone use the same things. It is also a complete waste of skill points since they usually get nerfed to hell by CCP. Oh, and one last thing: no one will remember you as a good player, ever. People get remembered by using hard to use weapons and kicking ass with them. So, to all you fotm users out there (I am looking at you aim assisted duvolle armor tanked gallente logi), why are you doing this? "Please don't" GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå I Support SP Rollover, MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP !!!
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 884	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:32:00 - [2] - Quote I use a standard AR with a gallente starter fit, do I count as FOTM?
Adelia Lafayette DUST University Ivy League 443	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:33:00 - [3] - Quote puts on hipster glasses I was gal logi before it was cool. Assault dropship gets blown up.... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ "Kitten this I'm out"... ..."I'm back"
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5355	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:34:00 - [4] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: So, to all you fotm users out there (I am looking at you aim assisted duvolle armor tanked gallente logi), why are you doing this? I specced into Gallogi right at the start of Uprising, well before the armour buff. I specced into SCRs because they were new and rifles were familiar to me. I also used the Duvolle because I'd used it all through Chromosome, so I was used to it. Neither of those was FotM then. They are now. I'm using what I'm used to, what I've used for months, and even if I cared about being labelled an FotM chaser there's nothing I can do about it because it takes so long to spec into anything else. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz 224	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:35:00 - [5] - Quote Because, when the point of the game is to kill, and kill well, you want the best of the best. Nobody can say they would actually feel bad if they went 40-0, and not be lying. If anything they help point out where imbalances lie. Nuff Said
Smoky Fingers Red Star. EoN. 147	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:37:00 - [6] - Quote Adelia Lafayette wrote: puts on hipster glasses I was gal logi before it was cool. This. I stuck with gallogi and plates through the countless "shields are still superior threads" As for the duvolles and aa, No one ever pays me in gum :<
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2998	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:37:00 - [7] - Quote Vindictive of being proto stomped or maybe you're like Nyain San and need a crutch or maybe you're just cynical and love to destroy.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1333	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:37:00 - [8] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: I use a standard AR with a gallente starter fit, do I count as FOTM? FOTMs are usually composed of proto stuff "Please don't" GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå I Support SP Rollover, MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP !!!
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 1709	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:38:00 - [9] - Quote I've used the Scrambler Rifle ever since it came out in Uprising. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Hecarim Van Hohen Knights of Eternal Darkness 257	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:39:00 - [10] - Quote I specced into the scrambler rifle the day it came out, does that make me a FOTM chaser as at the time it wasn't all that popular and wasn't considered OP >_> D-í¦¦¦¦i-ó¦¦¦+¦¿¦ºv-ë-£i-ë¦ó¦¦d¦ò-Ç¦íe¦¦-ë-í¦ò-ó ¦ò¦+-üw¦¿¦¦e-ü -ë¦òs¦¢¦+t-Å¦+-£a¦¢-án-¥¦¢-ƒ¦¢d-ü-í-ó¦ó-ó ¦¦u-ÿ-ó¦¦¦+n-ÿ-í¦¦-ü-ëi¦ó-ó-Pt-Å-Åe¦º-Å-Çd-Å-ó -ü-ÿ-ü-íw¦¿-¥-£¦í-ëe¦¦-ÿ-ü -í-ü¦óf-ía¦¢¦+-P¦í-ól-ƒ¦ó

Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 131	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:41:00 - [11] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: I have been wondering lately. Why do people skill into fotms? Does it make them feel better knowing they are using the best gear possible? I mean, what challenge is their in using (usually) much better suits or op weapons. Does it create an illusion of being better? The way I see it, is as a crutch... It makes the game boring, seing everyone use the same things. It is also a complete waste of skill points since they usually get nerfed to hell by CCP. Oh, and one last thing: no one will remember you as a good player, ever. People get remembered by using hard to use weapons and kicking ass with them. So, to all you fotm users out there (I am looking at you aim assisted duvolle armor tanked gallente logi), why are you doing this? Because they want to win and will use anything that gives them an advantage .. sadly CCP can;t balance things and keep ending up making things OP and therefore creating new FoTM's .. if they could balance things in a rock paper scissors way then the game would be fine but they just don;t have the ability to do something like that My Theme
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1334	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:43:00 - [12] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I've used the Scrambler Rifle ever since it came out in Uprising. So have I . I was adressing myself more specifically at nyan san. I am just trying to understand the mentality behind all this. "Please don't" GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå I Support SP Rollover, MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP !!!
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4249	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:43:00 - [13] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Because, when the point of the game is to kill, and kill well, you want the best of the best. Nobody can say they would actually feel bad if they went 40-0, and not be lying. If anything they help point out where imbalances lie. I would if I lost the match. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 519	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:43:00 - [14] - Quote I'm a minlogi and min scout. I mainly use a min scout with shotty, but if I'm feeling lazy I'll use duvolle with 3 cx dmg mods, I specced into duvolle when I first started playing dust, and it comes in handy when the whole other team is using it and I die in .5 seconds in my maxed out advanced scout, wich gets approximately the base HP of a caldari assault with nothing on it... The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5358	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:44:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Because, when the point of the game is to kill, and kill well, you want the best of the best. Nobody can say they would actually feel bad if they went 40-0, and not be lying. If anything they help point out where imbalances lie. I would if I lost the match. feels bad Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 927	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:44:00 - [16] - Quote because we're skilling into everything.
Oswald Rehnquist 670	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:45:00 - [17] - Quote I would make the separation of becoming fotm and chasing fotm, but as for the why... Its the same reason people use any cheap/exploit/etc, to boost their ego, have fun, raise kdr, and abuse others while doing it. Its no different than a 3 man kdr machine that we see too. (1 reviver, 1 shooter, 1 sacrificial alt) Edit: Also I doubt 60% of the player base was "interested" in flaylocks until they were found to be abusive, again its all about the path of least resistance and lowest skill required. Below 28 dB
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 1709	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:46:00 - [18] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I've used the Scrambler Rifle ever since it came out in Uprising. So have I . I was adressing myself more specifically at nyan san. I am just trying to understand the mentality behind all this. Well then I've also had AR Prof 1 since I was still a noob.... When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 1709	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:47:00 - [19] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Because, when the point of the game is to kill, and kill well, you want the best of the best. Nobody can say they would actually feel bad if they went 40-0, and not be lying. If anything they help point out where imbalances lie. I would if I lost the match. feels bad But that was a really close match, you shouldn't feel bad about losing that. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 1711	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:48:00 - [20] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Because, when the point of the game is to kill, and kill well, you want the best of the best. Nobody can say they would actually feel bad if they went 40-0, and not be lying. If anything they help point out where imbalances lie. I would if I lost the match. feels bad But that was a really close match, you shouldn't feel bad about losing that. And I wen 34-1 solo earlier using the Imperial When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3975	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:51:00 - [21] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: So, to all you fotm users out there (I am looking at you aim assisted duvolle armor tanked gallente logi), why are you doing this? I specced into Gallogi right at the start of Uprising, well before the armour buff. I specced into SCRs because they were new and rifles were familiar to me. I also used the Duvolle because I'd used it all through Chromosome, so I was used to it. Neither of those was FotM then. They are now. I'm using what I'm used to, what I've used for months, and even if I cared about being labelled an FotM chaser there's nothing I can do about it because it takes so long to spec into anything else. Arkena, you have proto Amarr Assault and Proto Gal Assault. Your argument is invalid. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 595	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:51:00 - [22] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: I have been wondering lately. Why do people skill into fotms? Does it make them feel better knowing they are using the best gear possible? I mean, what challenge is their in using (usually) much better suits or op weapons. Does it create an illusion of being better? The way I see it, is as a crutch... It makes the game boring, seing everyone use the same things. It is also a complete waste of skill points since they usually get nerfed to hell by CCP. Oh, and one last thing: no one will remember you as a good player, ever. People get remembered by using hard to use weapons and kicking ass with them. So, to all you fotm users out there, why are you doing this? Edit: (ok, there has been a bit of a misunderstanding) the players that were skilled into the current fotm before it became one should not feel included in my rant, I was adressing this post at players who skilled into it because they knew it is the current FOTM Coming from someone who has considered using FOTM, it's because I want to get some leverage. Like. I didn't get the scanner(I was gonna grab it way later) until EVERYONE and their mommas started using them. We needed leverage so I sacrificed for some leverage. At the end of the day tho, I don't really care. I skill into what makes me better at my Support Assault role. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Ridire Greine 77	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:52:00 - [23] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Because, when the point of the game is to kill, and kill well, you want the best of the best. Nobody can say they would actually feel bad if they went 40-0, and not be lying. If anything they help point out where imbalances lie. I would if I lost the match. feels bad But that was a really close match, you shouldn't feel bad about losing that. And I wen 34-1 solo earlier using the Imperial I went 46-2, using the CRW-04...... in a Scout suit. I think I've found my new TAR. Property of Knight SoiaireGäó R 0 N 1 N [VGTG]
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2450	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:52:00 - [24] - Quote FOTM? Rifles have been sacred for much longer than a month. They get more sacred every update. Soon we'll have more to choose from! FOTM is subject to change. A Fine Rifle is Forever.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1335	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:54:00 - [25] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: I have been wondering lately. Why do people skill into fotms? Does it make them feel better knowing they are using the best gear possible? I mean, what challenge is their in using (usually) much better suits or op weapons. Does it create an illusion of being better? The way I see it, is as a crutch... It makes the game boring, seing everyone use the same things. It is also a complete waste of skill points since they usually get nerfed to hell by CCP. Oh, and one last thing: no one will remember you as a good player, ever. People get remembered by using hard to use weapons and kicking ass with them. So, to all you fotm users out there (I am looking at you aim assisted duvolle armor tanked gallente logi), why are you doing this? Because they want to win and will use anything that gives them an advantage .. sadly CCP can;t balance things and keep ending up making things OP and therefore creating new FoTM's .. if they could balance things in a rock paper scissors way then the game would be fine but they just don;t have the ability to do something like that That is the kind of answer I was looking for. You also expose the source of the problem: CCP is too good at breaking stuff "Please don't" GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
Oswald Rehnquist 670	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:54:00 - [26] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: FOTM? Rifles have been sacred for much longer than a month. They get more sacred every update. Soon we'll have more to choose from! FOTM is subject to change. A Fine Rifle is Forever. Shotty, he was talking FOTM, not FOTY, lol Below 28 dB
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1553	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:56:00 - [27] - Quote Because some people like a certain style of suit and weapon. Real answer:Cause after it gets nerfed they can come here and complain and ask for a respec.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1335	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:57:00 - [28] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: FOTM? Rifles have been sacred for much longer than a month. They get more sacred every update. Soon we'll have more to choose from! FOTM is subject to change. A Fine Rifle is Forever. Shotty, he was talking FOTM, not FOTY, lol More like fit of the game "Please don't" GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 309	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:58:00 - [29] - Quote They follow cod doctrine, they want to pad their k/d for the leader boards. Ultimately k/dr isn't really relevant in most discussions.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2450	Posted - 2013.11.24 22:02:00 - [30] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: They follow cod doctrine, they want to pad their k/d for the leader boards. Ultimately k/dr isn't really relevant in most discussions. "KDR > ALL" * Uses Rifle? ... check! * Uses MedFrame? ... check! Everyone who doesn't, doesn't matter.

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1147	Posted - 2013.11.24 22:06:00 - [31] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: I have been wondering lately. Why do people skill into fotms? Does it make them feel better knowing they are using the best gear possible? I mean, what challenge is their in using (usually) much better suits or op weapons. Does it create an illusion of being better? The way I see it, is as a crutch... It makes the game boring, seing everyone use the same things. It is also a complete waste of skill points since they usually get nerfed to hell by CCP. Oh, and one last thing: no one will remember you as a good player, ever. People get remembered by using hard to use weapons and kicking ass with them. So, to all you fotm users out there, why are you doing this? Edit: (ok, there has been a bit of a misunderstanding) the players that were skilled into the current fotm before it became one should not feel included in my rant, I was adressing this post at players who skilled into it because they knew it is the current FOTM How else can they prove that they are "elite" if they don't take every advantage they can? Really, all they prove is how they're no self-esteem scrubs who want to convince themselves of their own worth with performance in a video game. It is pathetic and should be discouraged at every turn. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Johnny Guilt 365	Posted - 2013.11.24 22:16:00 - [32] - Quote to reap the benefits for a time,until it's beat to ship by a nerf bat then ask for a respec to start the cycle all over again.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 985	Posted - 2013.11.24 22:19:00 - [33] - Quote FOTM chasing happens more on the macro scale than with any kind of particular character or motivation. Large numbers of people will always gravitate towards the path of least resistence/highest success. FOTM becomes more severe, the worse actual imbalance is and handing three quarters of new players one AR variant and a SL instead of anything else at the start of their career isn't helping either. It's mostly a systemic issue. Competitive focused players notwithstanding. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
echo47 Minmatar Republic 101	Posted - 2013.11.24 22:36:00 - [34] - Quote So by FOTM are you all saying only a certain number of players can skill into a certain weapon or dropsuit class? I propose to elimate FOTM, because apparently it is a bad thing, that CCP make it so that whatever race you choose you can only skill into that race's weapons and dropsuits. FTOM problem solved.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5278	Posted - 2013.11.24 22:51:00 - [35] - Quote What everyone else here already said. If the point of the game is to get the most kills, then it makes sense to spec into the FOTM. But I don't see that as Dust's main point. It's just my opinion here, but I see Dust's point as being a very in-depth shooter that requires strategy and careful planning and execution. To that end, I specced into the one weapon everyone and their grandma was laughing at. The Nova Knives. Back in the old days of the Codex Build, before Precursor, before Chromosome, before Uprising, the Nova Knives use to be so damn weak that no one took them seriously. They were butter knives basically. 1. You couldn't strike at all without fully charging them. And I mean COMPLETELY charging them. 2. You couldn't sprint with the charge held without exploiting some glitch (we still can't). 3. Damage was miniscule at best. 4. It was only a weapon for the LOLZ. It wasn't until Chromosome that they finally started to shine. But we still couldn't sprint with the charge and hit detection was a major problem. Uprising 1.6 brought about a positive outlook for the knives, but they are still far from perfect since the recent hot fix was merely a temporary measure by CCP until 1.7 comes around. The nova knives are currently the only weapons in the game that take the most amount of skill and dedication on the part of the player. Nowadays, us ninjas get a lot of respect for being knifers because of how hard it is to get a kill with these things. After all, we are bringing a knife into a gun fight here. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 118	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:06:00 - [36] - Quote No offence but this is a joke . Who apologizes or explain themselves for wanting the best equipment ( The U.S. , China and the Russian armies don't ) so they can perform at PEAK levels and with the UTMOST efficiency . This is like a lot of threads ( Now that my PS3 is being serviced I check the forums more and a lot of these threads make absolutely NO since and sometimes I think that they are written by people who are bored , with nothing else to do or by people between the ages of 8 -12 ) that I see more frequently and it's sad and a waste of time . It's offered to those and only those who can and do PUT IN the hard WORK and EFFORT that it takes to acquire said gear . Work and effort so it's not like the same stops after acquiring said gear because OTHERS have that same access and THEY WILL achieve the same , NO QUESTIONS ASKED !!!!! Their are several jobs in this game notably kill or be killed , make money , achieve success and efficiency among others . Why is THIS even a topic of discussion ????? You seem to be a person who has played this game for some time ( just looking at the likes that you received even though that actually means nothing but at first glance ... ) so what I am trying to understand is , why are you trying to make or give someone a " guilt trip " about wanting to achieve success and being proficient ???? Already I'm seeing threads like this more often , like this will un encourage anyone from wanting something that's an option ( I can see it now , just get rid of it . I am convinced that the mass of this game is full of whiners and crybabies ) and something that one can only acquire threw HARD work and effort . WHAT CAN EVEN BE CONSIDERED " FOTM " ...???... that term is thrown around more than an American Football on Sunday's , just like something that " OP " or when something needs to be " NERF'D " or now it's what does and doesn't deserve a " RESPEC " . Ah ... the internet age ... more access to useless knowledge and useless terms also the " over using and saturation " of terms as well . Some people need to learn when a term is appropriate for the circumstances . I'm done reading these forums if I see another waste of a data stream and I'm sure before the night is over I will . DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE ALREADY !!!!!!!!! " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz 518	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:14:00 - [37] - Quote Been using the MD since early Chrome, continued to use it when they sucked at the beginning of Uprising, continued to use it when the QQers complained about dying when they were buffed, and is still using it when the QQ died and everyone is now using Aim Assisted ARs(again). And there isn't anything wrong with this. Why the hell should a game punish the player for using the best gear available at the time?
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1268	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:42:00 - [38] - Quote I spec'd into Gal logi ScR's and MD's as soon as I got my SP refund at the beginning of uprising. I considered the Cal logi for how powerful it would be but I preferred the Gal logi for its extra equipment and the equipment PG/CPU reduction skill. So I find it ironic I get hatemail for using the gal logi when I originally chose it opposed to the FOTM. However I think most people who spec into FOTM are the type who wish to win but don't want to win with innovation or tactics but by copying the most successful hoping it will be easy. Hence the QQ when the nerf hammer falls suddenly easy mode isn't so easy and their precious KDR is at risk. TEST signature please help me think of a better one.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 219	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:02:00 - [39] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: I have been wondering lately. Why do people skill into fotms? Stat Padding E-p33n stroking Forum bragging. Like those douches that have something in their comments like : KDR > All? Seen them? Those are FOTM chasers.
PEW JACKSON s i n g u l a r i t y 105	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:05:00 - [40] - Quote I've had laser specced Prof 5 from 1.3. Scr specced to adv the day they were released and last month got it to prof 2. Specced Nova knives prof 2 the day Minnie scout was released. Went prof 3 flaylock shortly after the FOTM hit with Tac Ar + Cal logi. SMG had prof 3 from 1.2. Sniper rifles went prof 3 right after SMG. I have Adv Minnie assault Proto Mk0 light frame Adv Gallente scout Other than the Flay I don't think any of my gear is FOTM. Scr is definitely going to lose some popularity due to the RR and CR coming out. To answer thread, I think people spec FOTM to compete, stomp, stroke E-peen, and to maintain a false sense of fun. Although a very few spec FOTM before it was even FOTM.

Mikey Ducati Xer Cloud Consortium 65	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:19:00 - [41] - Quote According to my complicated calculations, they like to achieve victory consistently.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1349	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:27:00 - [42] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: I've had laser specced Prof 5 from 1.3. Scr specced to adv the day they were released and last month got it to prof 2. Specced Nova knives prof 2 the day Minnie scout was released. Went prof 3 flaylock shortly after the FOTM hit with Tac Ar + Cal logi. SMG had prof 3 from 1.2. Sniper rifles went prof 3 right after SMG. I have Adv Minnie assault Proto Mk0 light frame Adv Gallente scout Other than the Flay I don't think any of my gear is FOTM. Scr is definitely going to lose some popularity due to the RR and CR coming out. To answer thread, I think people spec FOTM to compete, stomp, stroke E-peen, and to maintain a false sense of fun. Although a very few spec FOTM before it was even FOTM. I see that you like to live dangerously "Please don't" GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 222	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:28:00 - [43] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: According to my complicated calculations, they like to achieve victory effortlessly Fixed *


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