If you aren't dying, then why do you want BPO gear? It is categorically worse than proto gear in every way except cost.

How do you think those players got so rich in the first place?

150 clones per match, 10k ISK per clone, that's 1.5 million ISK injected into the economy by every match.

ISK is coming into the economy, and it is not leaving. Of course wallets are going to get fat.

we should start charging for clones.

How idiotic are you?

These people didn't get rich because of BPOs. They got rich from constantly playing in PC battles that have 1-5m ISK payouts. These players got rich from their corps who biomass the clones on their districts for ISK.

I'd love to see someone die 150 times in a match. My 2 year old son can't even die 150 times! The worst he ever did was 0-35. And he can't even hold the joystick properly! If you manage to die 150 times in a single match then you need to stop playing DUST.

How idiotic are you?

These people didn't get rich because of BPOs. They got rich from constantly playing in PC battles that have 1-5m ISK payouts. These players got rich from their corps who biomass the clones on their districts for ISK.

I'd love to see someone die 150 times in a match. My 2 year old son can't even die 150 times! The worst he ever did was 0-35. And he can't even hold the joystick properly! If you manage to die 150 times in a single match then you need to stop playing DUST.

I could ask you the same question. Whether one person dies 150 times, or 15 people die 10 times each, it still adds up to 150 dead clones.

And yes, I'm not denying that PC is also a pretty big ISK faucet... But I ask you: How many PC matches happen each day? How many instant battles occur each day? How much do you think each one pays out in total, per day, to the entire player-base combined?

ummm.. you apparently don't understand PC... first lots of matches happen...all some do is PC... second, you don't even have to have a match to earn isk in PC....

I could ask you the same question. Whether one person dies 150 times, or 15 people die 10 times each, it still adds up to 150 dead clones.

And yes, I'm not denying that PC is also a pretty big ISK faucet... But I ask you: How many PC matches happen each day? How many instant battles occur each day? How much do you think each one pays out in total, per day, to the entire player-base combined?

Your logic is shotty at best, as it assumes that all 15-16 people are running BPOs. It also assumes that every match is ended by a team depleting it's clone reserves

I don't know about Instant Matches, but as of right now 77 districts are under attack, and the biomass value of all clones currently in Molden Heath is about 9,445,920,000 ISK. While you will never make 9.4 Billion ISK in one day by running Instant Battles, you can deploy an infinite amount of times. So to the average player, Public Contracts are much more profitable.

Tell me, If BPOs are game-breaking, why shouldn't we take away the 4 BPOs that all players have?

Your logic is shotty at best, as it assumes that all 15-16 people are running BPOs. It also assumes that every match is ended by a team depleting it's clone reserves

I don't know about Instant Matches, but as of right now 77 districts are under attack, and the biomass value of all clones currently in Molden Heath is about 9,445,920,000 ISK. While you will never make 9.4 Billion ISK in one day by running Instant Battles, you can deploy an infinite amount of times. So to the average player, Public Contracts are much more profitable.

Tell me, If BPOs are game-breaking, why shouldn't we take away the 4 BPOs that all players have?

eventually ccp proves themselves untrustworthy to all of us.... for me it took them stealing from me before I lost my faith and loyalty....

I feel so betrayed, and used.

Whether or not BPOs are game breaking is not the issue here.

we should start charging for clones.

It absolutely is the issue here: If they weren't breaking the game, CCP wouldn't be opposed to them and then we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

boohoo, poor baby.

Look here is a proper analogy for the current BPO debacle:

Guy goes into a store and purchases an item, leaves the store and returns home. He sets the item on his bed stand and turns in for the night. Upon waking the next morning, he finds the item is gone and in its place there sits a letter an a coupon that says "store credit" on it. The letter reads as follows:

I am sorry but we at Swindle Mart have decided to remove the item you purchased last night from our inventory and have further decided that it would not be in our best interest that you continue ownership of the item you purchased. In place of the item we reclaimed while you slept last night, we have issued you a certificate for store credit, equal to the value of the item we reclaimed.

Thankyou.

Upon reading this note, our protagonist becomes infuriated upon realizing that there is ABSOLUTLY nothing else at swindle mart that he/she is interested in purchasing, and that the store credit is absolutly worthless to him/her. So he gets dressed and goes down to swindle mart to talk to the manager and request a full refund. At this time our protagonist is informed that "swindle mart does not offer refunds only store credit."

Upon learning this, our protagonist starts a one man picket line outside of swindle Mart and is quickly joined by others who had just so happened to sleep a little longer that day.

{edit>>> oops sorry about the typos. I was trying to fix serve and eat dinner while I wrote this. It fixed now though.

guy uses full bpo suit... isk equivalent is about 10-15k
guy in full aurum proto gear.. isk equivalent about 100k+

guy in bpo set dies 10 times losing the eve economy 150k isk at best
guy in full aurum proto gear dies 10 times losing the eve economy 1million isk+

now you tell me which one of these is more devastating to the economy and game

I'd be perfectly fine with that so long as the price of the clone was attached to the type of dropsuit equipped.

Explain it as only sufficiently engineered clones are able to support the more technically advanced dropsuits.

So the discussion has been raging for weeks now, and so far the scope of the discussion has almost entirely been "I'm being ripped off!"... And yeah, maybe you are, maybe you aren't... But this thread is about something else.

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TL;DR

"Do BPO defenders even care about the long-term health of this game?"

I imagine that they care that they were lied to and subsequently swindled out of their money.

guy uses full bpo suit... isk equivalent is about 10-15k
guy in full aurum proto gear.. isk equivalent about 100k+

guy in bpo set dies 10 times losing the eve economy 150k isk at best
guy in full aurum proto gear dies 10 times losing the eve economy 1million isk+

now you tell me which one of these is more devastating to the economy and game

They weren't though - they were promised permanence so long as those items exist, they don't anymore and you signed off on an EULA saying 'at some point in the future we change, remove, or add things and you may or may not be happy about it, but ultimately we are doing it because of [reasons]'

The EULA informed you that this could happen, you accepted the EULA.