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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.24 00:30:00 -
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"Do BPO defenders even care about the long-term health of this game?"
I imagine that they care that they were lied to and subsequently swindled out of their money.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:40:00 -
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Look here is a proper analogy for the current BPO debacle:
Guy goes into a store and purchases an item, leaves the store and returns home. He sets the item on his bed stand and turns in for the night. Upon waking the next morning, he find the item is gone and in its there sits a letter an a coupon that says "store credit" on it. The letter reads as follows:
I am sorry but we at Swindle Mart have decided to remove the item you purchased last night our inventory and have furth decided that it would not be in our best interest that you continue ownership of the item you purchased. In place of the that we reclaimed while you slept last night, we have issued you a certificate for store credit, equal to the value of the item we reclaimed.
Thankyou.
Upon reading this note, our protagonist becomes infuriated upon realizing that there is ABSOLUTLY nothing else at that swindle mart that he/she is interested in purchasing, and that the store credit is absolutly worthless to him/her. So he gets dressed and goes down to swindle mart to talk to the manager and request a full refund. At this time our protagonist is informed that "swindle mart does not offer refunds only store credit."
Upon learning this, our protagonist starts a one man picket line outside of swindle Mart and is quickly joined by who had just so happened to sleep a little longer that day.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:12:00 -
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Mia Romani wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Upon learning this, our protagonist starts a one man picket line outside of swindle Mart and is quickly joined by others who had just so happened to sleep a little longer that day. Mia Romani wrote:While BPO users may indeed have a valid point about not getting what they paid for, they don't seem to realise that what they paid for is a permanent and ongoing disadvantage against the "1%" of Dust players, and that continued BPO use is only going to continue widening the gap between the "haves" and the "have-nots". The item you originally bought was in and of itself a crutch, one that is keeping you poor while making the proto-stompers richer. You're picketing for your right to continue being stomped by far richer players...
Lolwut. No dude, I do just fine with my BPOs. If proto stomps are occurring it is very doubtful that it has anything to with my play style.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
368
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:21:00 -
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Mia Romani wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Mia Romani wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Upon learning this, our protagonist starts a one man picket line outside of swindle Mart and is quickly joined by others who had just so happened to sleep a little longer that day. Mia Romani wrote:While BPO users may indeed have a valid point about not getting what they paid for, they don't seem to realise that what they paid for is a permanent and ongoing disadvantage against the "1%" of Dust players, and that continued BPO use is only going to continue widening the gap between the "haves" and the "have-nots". The item you originally bought was in and of itself a crutch, one that is keeping you poor while making the proto-stompers richer. You're picketing for your right to continue being stomped by far richer players... Lolwut. No dude, I do just fine with my BPOs. If proto stomps are occurring it is very doubtful that it has anything to with my play style. If you aren't dying, then why do you want BPO gear? It is categorically worse than proto gear in every way except cost.
I didnt say I wasn't dying. But only being able to die once per match to go ISK positive in a match in a proto suit is a little much to ask. Which is exactly why I bought BPOs. Because I like ISK.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
369
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:30:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Mia Romani wrote:Atiim wrote:Please tell me how not restocking 5-10k ISK MLT/STD gear is gamebreaking when 90% of the playerbase has 20m-2B ISK in their wallet?
By the very least, make them BPCs How do you think those players got so rich in the first place? 150 clones per match, 10k ISK per clone, that's 1.5 million ISK injected into the economy by every match. ISK is coming into the economy, and it is not leaving. Of course wallets are going to get fat. How idiotic are you? These people didn't get rich because of BPOs. They got rich from constantly playing in PC battles that have 1-5m ISK payouts. These players got rich from their corps who biomass the clones on their districts for ISK. I'd love to see someone die 150 times in a match. My 2 year old son can't even die 150 times! The worst he ever did was 0-35. And he can't even hold the joystick properly! If you manage to die 150 times in a single match then you need to stop playing DUST.
No I got rich because I am thrifty and watch my death to ISK ratio per match.
Well that and a huge injection of ISK at the beginning of uprising.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:01:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Mia Romani wrote:Atiim wrote:
How idiotic are you?
These people didn't get rich because of BPOs. They got rich from constantly playing in PC battles that have 1-5m ISK payouts. These players got rich from their corps who biomass the clones on their districts for ISK.
I'd love to see someone die 150 times in a match. My 2 year old son can't even die 150 times! The worst he ever did was 0-35. And he can't even hold the joystick properly! If you manage to die 150 times in a single match then you need to stop playing DUST.
I could ask you the same question. Whether one person dies 150 times, or 15 people die 10 times each, it still adds up to 150 dead clones. And yes, I'm not denying that PC is also a pretty big ISK faucet... But I ask you: How many PC matches happen each day? How many instant battles occur each day? How much do you think each one pays out in total, per day, to the entire player-base combined? Your logic is shotty at best, as it assumes that all 15-16 people are running BPOs. It also assumes that every match is ended by a team depleting it's clone reserves I don't know about Instant Matches, but as of right now 77 districts are under attack, and the biomass value of all clones currently in Molden Heath is about 9,445,920,000 ISK. While you will never make 9.4 Billion ISK in one day by running Instant Battles, you can deploy an infinite amount of times. So to the average player, Public Contracts are much more profitable. Tell me, If BPOs are game-breaking, why shouldn't we take away the 4 BPOs that all players have?
Whether or not BPOs are game breaking is not the issue here. The issue is that when people decided to spend their real money to purchace in game currency, it was under the pretence that the item they were purchasing would be permeant. Now we find out that they are not, and further that our refund for that item comes in the form of in game currency, for witch there is no truly practical aplication.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:23:00 -
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Mia Romani wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Atiim wrote:Tell me, If BPOs are game-breaking, why shouldn't we take away the 4 BPOs that all players have? Whether or not BPOs are game breaking is not the issue here. It absolutely is the issue here: If they weren't breaking the game, CCP wouldn't be opposed to them and then we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
That is CCPs problem (as they are most definitely the progenitor of the problem). The solution to which is to man up (take responsibility for the problem YOU - CCP - has caused) and do the right thing. Which in this case would be either cash refund or changing the BPOs to function in a way as to still be worth spending the money on but not game braking. End of story man. It is an obvious swindle here.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.24 06:28:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:TL;DR
"Do BPO defenders even care about the long-term health of this game?"
I imagine that they care that they were lied to and subsequently swindled out of their money. They weren't though - they were promised permanence so long as those items exist, they don't anymore and you signed off on an EULA saying 'at some point in the future we change, remove, or add things and you may or may not be happy about it, but ultimately we are doing it because of [reasons]' The EULA informed you that this could happen, you accepted the EULA.
Negative the EULA says that they will be replaced with somethingif equal value, and Aur is not of equal value.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.24 06:46:00 -
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"also like I said, people who purchased BPOs are the ones who have been actually supporting this game."
And your point is what exactly? That some people don't mind getting rolled.
As long as we are pricing things, how many Aur standard LAVs can one buy with the Aur refunded in exchange for a BPO that provided infinite uses?
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.24 06:48:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:TL;DR
"Do BPO defenders even care about the long-term health of this game?"
I imagine that they care that they were lied to and subsequently swindled out of their money. They weren't though - they were promised permanence so long as those items exist, they don't anymore and you signed off on an EULA saying 'at some point in the future we change, remove, or add things and you may or may not be happy about it, but ultimately we are doing it because of [reasons]' The EULA informed you that this could happen, you accepted the EULA. Negative, the EULA says that they will be replaced with something of equal value, and Aur is not of equal value. Says who. You? The other people upset that their infinite militia items got taken away? Because if its simply a case of a consumer stating that x amount of ingame currency != 'equal value' of item that was purchased with ingame currency, I have to say I disagree and because I'm also a consumer the argument now has some real issues.
See post above this one.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.24 06:56:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:"also like I said, people who purchased BPOs are the ones who have been actually supporting this game."
And your point is what exactly? That some people don't mind getting rolled.
As long as we are pricing things, how many Aur standard LAVs can one buy with the Aur refunded in exchange for a BPO that provided infinite uses? That would be a big fat 0. LAVs BPOs were sold in packs, meaning they were sold directly for real life money, not aurum.
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