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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3914	Posted - 2013.11.23 14:24:00 - [1] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9 Look at that. First of all, that Gallente logi has as much armor as my Gallente Assault has total eHP. He also has a passive 5hp/s regeneration, making him that much more tanky. That point where he was hacking a CRU and was almost killed? If it was an assault suit he would be dead. Also, notice how once the dude spawned he could see him? That's because Logis have lower scan precision than assaults (lower = better), and putting just one point into passive scanning he can already see all assaults, while they can't see him. Then there's the equipment. The scanner makes it so that unless he is hacking, no one can sneak on him. Then as soon as he takes damage he can just plop down a triage hive. Then resupply his ammo. The logi is literally a one man army. No wonder almost everyone I see in PC runs logi. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 581	Posted - 2013.11.23 14:28:00 - [2] - Quote I agree with all of the above. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1526	Posted - 2013.11.23 14:33:00 - [3] - Quote InB4ButLogisAreSlowerThenAssaultsAndHaveLowerBaseStatsAndNoSidearm!
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 581	Posted - 2013.11.23 14:37:00 - [4] - Quote Just remove the assault class already and refund our skill points. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Ahrendee Mercenaries 420	Posted - 2013.11.23 14:38:00 - [5] - Quote Stuff like camping on a triage hive is just plain stupid. Having all those dmg mods whilst having that much HP is a crime against nature. Mediocre shooter trying to learn.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 356	Posted - 2013.11.23 14:42:00 - [6] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9 The score was mostly the fault of the lack of matchmaking in FW, but beyond that I agree with you. CCP's stance is probably that we can only have proper bonuses once we have more stuff in the game, but the current state of the game is suffering a lot due to (very) bad bonuses on the suits. Let's just say that there's room for a lot of improvement.
Shruikan Iceeye 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 95	Posted - 2013.11.23 14:43:00 - [7] - Quote The only real problem i have with Logis atm is dat 5hp/s. That's a huge advantage as far as i'm concerned
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5324	Posted - 2013.11.23 14:43:00 - [8] - Quote I feed on your tears. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3918	Posted - 2013.11.23 14:44:00 - [9] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I feed on your tears. I expected you to eventually say that. :P Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 581	Posted - 2013.11.23 14:44:00 - [10] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I feed on your tears. You sir, got the FOTM jackpot standing on the repair hives with your logi, throwing core locus grenades, and spamming your ScR. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL

Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5324	Posted - 2013.11.23 14:44:00 - [11] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I feed on your tears. You sir, got the FOTM jackpot standing on the repair hives with your logi, throwing core locus grenades, and spamming your ScR. I did it before it was cool. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3918	Posted - 2013.11.23 14:45:00 - [12] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I feed on your tears. You sir, got the FOTM jackpot standing on the repair hives with your logi, throwing core locus grenades, and spamming your ScR. I did it before it was cool. Yeah... I miss that time when we discovered the wonders of Triage hives. It was like new life for armor tanking. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
gg JKl 0	Posted - 2013.11.23 14:46:00 - [13] - Quote He has 3 complex dam mods with the imperial and hes exploiting the overheat as well... lol
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 404	Posted - 2013.11.23 14:48:00 - [14] - Quote Every decent player would have sent him to hell after 1 min (the CRU hacking scene). How can one not see that big red marker?
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 682	Posted - 2013.11.23 14:53:00 - [15] - Quote places jaw in up right and locked position. though an HP buff isn't what scouts need, I sorta think it might be on the path to usefulness now. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 273	Posted - 2013.11.23 14:53:00 - [16] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: InB4ButLogisAreSlowerThenAssaultsAndHaveLowerBaseStatsAndNoSidearm! This about covers it.
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 273	Posted - 2013.11.23 14:56:00 - [17] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Just remove the heavy class already and refund our skill points. Fixed. Fatties are welcome at the logi QQ party aren't they?
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3919	Posted - 2013.11.23 14:56:00 - [18] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Every decent player would have sent him to hell after 1 min (the CRU hacking scene). How can one not see that big red marker? Logi suit compensates for that Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3919	Posted - 2013.11.23 14:57:00 - [19] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Just remove the heavy class already and refund our skill points. Fixed. Fatties are welcome at the logi QQ party aren't they? Yes, yes they are. Scouts are the honorary guests, as they have it the worse. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1480	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:01:00 - [20] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9 Look at that. First of all, that Gallente logi has as much armor as my Gallente Assault has total eHP. He also has a passive 5hp/s regeneration, making him that much more tanky. That point where he was hacking a CRU and was almost killed? If it was an assault suit he would be dead. Also, notice how once the dude spawned he could see him? That's because Logis have lower scan precision than assaults (lower = better), and putting just one point into passive scanning he can already see all assaults, while they can't see him. Then there's the equipment. The scanner makes it so that unless he is hacking, no one can sneak on him. Then as soon as he takes damage he can just plop down a triage hive. Then resupply his ammo. The logi is literally a one man army. No wonder almost everyone I see in PC runs logi. An easy fix would be to just take away that 5th slot and give it to the assault or just simply buff assault. I have proto amarr assault and proto amarr logi, these two are well balanced I believe provided people utilise the assault bonus which is what its about right? Utilising bonus and skills. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.

Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5324	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:02:00 - [21] - Quote gg JKl wrote: He has 3 complex dam mods with the imperial and hes exploiting the overheat as well... lol No I don't? Look at the shield bar. How do I get that much shielding without extenders? Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3920	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:03:00 - [22] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9 Look at that. First of all, that Gallente logi has as much armor as my Gallente Assault has total eHP. He also has a passive 5hp/s regeneration, making him that much more tanky. That point where he was hacking a CRU and was almost killed? If it was an assault suit he would be dead. Also, notice how once the dude spawned he could see him? That's because Logis have lower scan precision than assaults (lower = better), and putting just one point into passive scanning he can already see all assaults, while they can't see him. Then there's the equipment. The scanner makes it so that unless he is hacking, no one can sneak on him. Then as soon as he takes damage he can just plop down a triage hive. Then resupply his ammo. The logi is literally a one man army. No wonder almost everyone I see in PC runs logi. An easy fix would be to just take away that 5th slot and give it to the assault or just simply buff assault. I have proto amarr assault and proto amarr logi, these two are well balanced I believe provided people utilise the assault bonus which is what its about right? Utilising bonus and skills. The Amarr assault is the only assault with a proper bonus And a simple buff to assaults would also require a buff to scouts and heavies and commandos. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3920	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:03:00 - [23] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: gg JKl wrote: He has 3 complex dam mods with the imperial and hes exploiting the overheat as well... lol No I don't? Look at the shield bar. How do I get that much shielding without extenders? 1 complex shield extender and two enhanced damage mods :P Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5324	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:04:00 - [24] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9 Look at that. First of all, that Gallente logi has as much armor as my Gallente Assault has total eHP. He also has a passive 5hp/s regeneration, making him that much more tanky. That point where he was hacking a CRU and was almost killed? If it was an assault suit he would be dead. Also, notice how once the dude spawned he could see him? That's because Logis have lower scan precision than assaults (lower = better), and putting just one point into passive scanning he can already see all assaults, while they can't see him. Then there's the equipment. The scanner makes it so that unless he is hacking, no one can sneak on him. Then as soon as he takes damage he can just plop down a triage hive. Then resupply his ammo. The logi is literally a one man army. No wonder almost everyone I see in PC runs logi. An easy fix would be to just take away that 5th slot and give it to the assault or just simply buff assault. I have proto amarr assault and proto amarr logi, these two are well balanced I believe provided people utilise the assault bonus which is what its about right? Utilising bonus and skills. The Amarr assault is the only assault with a proper bonus And a simple buff to assaults would also require a buff to scouts and heavies and commandos. Scouts, heavies, and commandon'ts need a buff anyway, lol, even if you don't buff the assault. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3920	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:05:00 - [25] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cat Merc wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9 Look at that. First of all, that Gallente logi has as much armor as my Gallente Assault has total eHP. He also has a passive 5hp/s regeneration, making him that much more tanky. That point where he was hacking a CRU and was almost killed? If it was an assault suit he would be dead. Also, notice how once the dude spawned he could see him? That's because Logis have lower scan precision than assaults (lower = better), and putting just one point into passive scanning he can already see all assaults, while they can't see him. Then there's the equipment. The scanner makes it so that unless he is hacking, no one can sneak on him. Then as soon as he takes damage he can just plop down a triage hive. Then resupply his ammo. The logi is literally a one man army. No wonder almost everyone I see in PC runs logi. An easy fix would be to just take away that 5th slot and give it to the assault or just simply buff assault. I have proto amarr assault and proto amarr logi, these two are well balanced I believe provided people utilise the assault bonus which is what its about right? Utilising bonus and skills. The Amarr assault is the only assault with a proper bonus And a simple buff to assaults would also require a buff to scouts and heavies and commandos. Scouts, heavies, and commandon'ts need a buff anyway, lol, even if you don't buff the assault. Heavies not so much, in relation to assaults they are balanced with the HP increase. Scouts need a major buff. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
21yrOld Knight Pradox One Proficiency V. 315	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:08:00 - [26] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Just remove the assault class already and refund our skill points. HA NO! If you are going to be fake, don't be made in china.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5324	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:09:00 - [27] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Just remove the assault class already and refund our skill points. HA NO! I like my Amarr assault. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3921	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:16:00 - [28] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Just remove the assault class already and refund our skill points. HA NO! I like my Amarr assault. Because sitting in a 900eHP suit gets boring after a while Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3923	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:24:00 - [29] - Quote meow Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5324	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:26:00 - [30] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: meow Attention seeking cat. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.

Niuvo NECROM0NGERS 807	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:26:00 - [31] - Quote Shruikan Iceeye wrote: The only real problem i have with Logis atm is dat 5hp/s. That's a huge advantage as far as i'm concerned it would make sense if assault had this bonus.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3923	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:28:00 - [32] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cat Merc wrote: meow Attention seeking cat. If you feed me sardine I'll stop :P Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
HYENAKILLER X TEAM SHINOBI 347	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:37:00 - [33] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: I agree with all of the above. This You are welcome for my leadership
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3924	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:43:00 - [34] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: I agree with all of the above. This That Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5327	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:50:00 - [35] - Quote Niuvo wrote: Shruikan Iceeye wrote: The only real problem i have with Logis atm is dat 5hp/s. That's a huge advantage as far as i'm concerned it would make sense if assault had this bonus. Yep. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS 794	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:01:00 - [36] - Quote Remove the Logi's grenade slot and all will be well in the world. Assaults can assault, logis can be versatile. Imo. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 259	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:02:00 - [37] - Quote Anyone get good results I went 30-2 with a LR so it must be OP, hell I saw people getting this numbers witha PLC clearly OP. The logi si a good suit no question its the most flexible suit in the game and it was already back in chromosome. The logi vk1 had the same slot layout(H/L =4/4) with more health (125/150) and speed (5.3) but no one complained. I get the feeling just because assault don't use they advantages deniy them. For example the sidearm is so viable that they believe it is enough but for some mysterius reason they seem unableto use this for their own advantage. They say scouts are mostly fine because they are faster but when it comes to a logi speed all of a sudden is no advantage... These forums are always astonishing.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3925	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:03:00 - [38] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Anyone get good results I went 30-2 with a LR so it must be OP, hell I saw people getting this numbers witha PLC clearly OP. The logi si a good suit no question its the most flexible suit in the game and it was already back in chromosome. The logi vk1 had the same slot layout(H/L =4/4) with more health (125/150) and speed (5.3) but no one complained. I get the feeling just because assault don't use they advantages deniy them. For example the sidearm is so viable that they believe it is enough but for some mysterius reason they seem unableto use this for their own advantage. They say scouts are mostly fine because they are faster but when it comes to a logi speed all of a sudden is no advantage... These forums are always astonishing. Assaults had two equipment slots, so did scouts. In addition, logis didn't have that +5hp/s. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 133	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:04:00 - [39] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Anyone get good results I went 30-2 with a LR so it must be OP, hell I saw people getting this numbers witha PLC clearly OP. The logi si a good suit no question its the most flexible suit in the game and it was already back in chromosome. The logi vk1 had the same slot layout(H/L =4/4) with more health (125/150) and speed (5.3) but no one complained. I get the feeling just because assault don't use they advantages deniy them. For example the sidearm is so viable that they believe it is enough but for some mysterius reason they seem unableto use this for their own advantage. They say scouts are mostly fine because they are faster but when it comes to a logi speed all of a sudden is no advantage... These forums are always astonishing. i cant even fit nova knives on my caldari assault C/1 Series recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 120	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:12:00 - [40] - Quote Did not watch the video. I have 1026hp in my callogi and i do 1/2 kdr battles. My hp is like butter and 1026 hp is gone in 0.5sek. I do not do assault I collect wp by supporting team. ScR is OP. Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3925	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:14:00 - [41] - Quote Mregomies wrote: Did not watch the video. I have 1026hp in my callogi and i do 1/2 kdr battles. My hp is like butter and 1026 hp is gone in 0.5sek. I do not do assault I collect wp by supporting team. ScR is OP. You must suck then, and without that 1000hp you would go 1/90459304. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 120	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:14:00 - [42] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Remove the Logi's grenade slot and all will be well in the world. Assaults can assault, logis can be versatile. Imo. I don't need granades... take it away. No more core spam. Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 120	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:17:00 - [43] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Mregomies wrote: Did not watch the video. I have 1026hp in my callogi and i do 1/2 kdr battles. My hp is like butter and 1026 hp is gone in 0.5sek. I do not do assault I collect wp by supporting team. ScR is OP. You must suck then, and without that 1000hp you would go 1/90459304. Meh. I'm 1 of the best... I do'tn touch my gun. It's for assault. I die in orbitals Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3926	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:18:00 - [44] - Quote Mregomies wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Mregomies wrote: Did not watch the video. I have 1026hp in my callogi and i do 1/2 kdr battles. My hp is like butter and 1026 hp is gone in 0.5sek. I do not do assault I collect wp by supporting team. ScR is OP. You must suck then, and without that 1000hp you would go 1/90459304. Meh. I'm 1 of the best... I do'tn touch my gun. It's for assault. I die in orbitals Must see for myself honestly. You are a rare gem if what you say is true. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 120	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:26:00 - [45] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Mregomies wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Mregomies wrote: Did not watch the video. I have 1026hp in my callogi and i do 1/2 kdr battles. My hp is like butter and 1026 hp is gone in 0.5sek. I do not do assault I collect wp by supporting team. ScR is OP. You must suck then, and without that 1000hp you would go 1/90459304. Meh. I'm 1 of the best... I do'tn touch my gun. It's for assault. I die in orbitals Must see for myself honestly. You are a rare gem if what you say is true. I don't enjoy slaying mlt/newpie mercs... I truely support my team and only now with this event I sit in mountain and redeem my proto sniperguns for sale in future. And ask anyone in beercase corp or my TUL corp. My job is support and only support. Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
Ridire Greine 55	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:31:00 - [46] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: They say scouts are mostly fine because they are faster Who the hell says this? My Scout suit with two Comp Kin Catz is only .6m/s faster than a Minnie Assault with two Comp Kin Catz. Scouts are barely faster. Property of Knight SoiaireGäó R 0 N 1 N
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1089	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:38:00 - [47] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: gg JKl wrote: He has 3 complex dam mods with the imperial and hes exploiting the overheat as well... lol No I don't? Look at the shield bar. How do I get that much shielding without extenders? would be a good movie if not for the exploit with the overheat saving you from getting killed, why don't you just eat the death ? It gives all us day 1 SCR users a bad name. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis Dragonaors 112	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:44:00 - [48] - Quote esdo love to see a heavy destroyed in 4 shots by an imperial scr makes me fill good about where the heavy is going We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1151	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:45:00 - [49] - Quote Mregomies wrote: Did not watch the video. I have 1026hp in my callogi and i do 1/2 kdr battles. My hp is like butter and 1026 hp is gone in 0.5sek. I do not do assault I collect wp by supporting team. ScR is OP. Its op because most of you hp is shields dummy. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Dengru Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 159	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:58:00 - [50] - Quote awesome aim at 9:19

Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 120	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:58:00 - [51] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Mregomies wrote: Did not watch the video. I have 1026hp in my callogi and i do 1/2 kdr battles. My hp is like butter and 1026 hp is gone in 0.5sek. I do not do assault I collect wp by supporting team. ScR is OP. Its op because most of you hp is shields dummy. Actually not. I have complex shield yes but armor plates are 110hp each. Next SP target is lvl5 plates. Then I'm tanked against ScR. Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1263	Posted - 2013.11.23 17:24:00 - [52] - Quote Shruikan Iceeye wrote: The only real problem i have with Logis atm is dat 5hp/s. That's a huge advantage as far as i'm concerned I agree, logi frames should have the repper replaced with a needle that repairs 10% of armor. The logi having a 5hp/s repper is a big advantage over other suits. If the bonus was a %5 per level to an equipped module then it wouldn't be that bad. Other than that the logi is about right with its resources. If per level perks were to be tweaked then I think we could get some suits that have the same stats but don't work as assaults. Make a suit profitable in its role but not so much doing something else because this game seems to run off of the grind of points more than anything else so hit them in the points. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Ahrendee Mercenaries 422	Posted - 2013.11.23 17:42:00 - [53] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I feed on your tears. I expected you to eventually say that. :P Same snorky comments for every thread. Mediocre shooter trying to learn.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5333	Posted - 2013.11.23 17:43:00 - [54] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: gg JKl wrote: He has 3 complex dam mods with the imperial and hes exploiting the overheat as well... lol No I don't? Look at the shield bar. How do I get that much shielding without extenders? would be a good movie if not for the exploit with the overheat saving you from getting killed, why don't you just eat the death ? It gives all us day 1 SCR users a bad name. Where did I use it? I don't recall using it in that video - I've not used it lately, mostly because it's so broken. EDIT: And honestly, I shouldn't have done it, wherever I did it. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3930	Posted - 2013.11.23 17:43:00 - [55] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I feed on your tears. I expected you to eventually say that. :P Same snorky comments for every thread. Nah, we're talking on IRC with each other, I waited for him to discover the thread. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 509	Posted - 2013.11.23 17:52:00 - [56] - Quote Just give us logis an only sidearm slot, and a respec, so the assaults can go play assaults! Let the real logis spec beck into logi suits, and sidearms... Minnie Scout & Logi Greatness achieved through persistance.
Scheherazade VII 175	Posted - 2013.11.23 17:56:00 - [57] - Quote This is what is destroying the game Proto gallente suit with 830hp (i think that's the MAX armour) scrambler rifle prof 5 3-4 complex damage mods. I'm not sure how many slots that pro gallente logi suit has so somebody help me with the maths. I'm assuming that with the mods and proficiency the SCR does 100hp per shot? that means starter fits die in 3 rounds, i.e less than a second. and how can you mathematically inflict that much damage on somebody like that before they kill you? you can't. hence invincibility hence 49-0 this isn't anything against the player, I know they are a forum-user. don't hate the player hate the game I guess but some people do take the ****. GêÜGëêDUST VIDEOSGëêGêÜ
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5335	Posted - 2013.11.23 17:58:00 - [58] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: This is what is destroying the game Proto gallente suit with 830hp (i think that's the MAX armour) scrambler rifle prof 5 3-4 complex damage mods. I'm not sure how many slots that pro gallente logi suit has so somebody help me with the maths. I'm assuming that with the mods and proficiency the SCR does 100hp per shot? that means starter fits die in 3 rounds, i.e less than a second. and how can you mathematically inflict that much damage on somebody like that before they kill you? you can't. hence invincibility hence 49-0 this isn't anything against the player, I know they are a forum-user. don't hate the player hate the game I guess but some people do take the ****. You can't use 4 slots on a Gallente logi, and good luck getting 830 armour, 3 complex damage mods, triage hives, AND an imperial SCR. It's overpowered, but it's not quite as bad as you say. In that video I was using 1x complex shield extender and 2x enhanced damage mods in my high slots. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3935	Posted - 2013.11.23 18:21:00 - [59] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Scheherazade VII wrote: This is what is destroying the game Proto gallente suit with 830hp (i think that's the MAX armour) scrambler rifle prof 5 3-4 complex damage mods. I'm not sure how many slots that pro gallente logi suit has so somebody help me with the maths. I'm assuming that with the mods and proficiency the SCR does 100hp per shot? that means starter fits die in 3 rounds, i.e less than a second. and how can you mathematically inflict that much damage on somebody like that before they kill you? you can't. hence invincibility hence 49-0 this isn't anything against the player, I know they are a forum-user. don't hate the player hate the game I guess but some people do take the ****. You can't use 4 slots on a Gallente logi, and good luck getting 830 armour, 3 complex damage mods, triage hives, AND an imperial SCR. It's overpowered, but it's not quite as bad as you say. In that video I was using 1x complex shield extender and 2x enhanced damage mods in my high slots. You are correct in thinking that the Imperial SCR does 100 damage per shot with proficiency and damage modifiers though. Hush Logi user, you are not welcome here :P Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tectonic Fusion 593	Posted - 2013.11.23 18:22:00 - [60] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9 Look at that. First of all, that Gallente logi has as much armor as my Gallente Assault has total eHP. He also has a passive 5hp/s regeneration, making him that much more tanky. That point where he was hacking a CRU and was almost killed? If it was an assault suit he would be dead. Also, notice how once the dude spawned he could see him? That's because Logis have lower scan precision than assaults (lower = better), and putting just one point into passive scanning he can already see all assaults, while they can't see him. Then there's the equipment. The scanner makes it so that unless he is hacking, no one can sneak on him. Then as soon as he takes damage he can just plop down a triage hive. Then resupply his ammo. The logi is literally a one man army. No wonder almost everyone I see in PC runs logi. An easy fix would be to just take away that 5th slot and give it to the assault or just simply buff assault. I have proto amarr assault and proto amarr logi, these two are well balanced I believe provided people utilise the assault bonus which is what its about right? Utilising bonus and skills. This^ Also, one nerf at a time. If you nerf everything at once it will end up like the LOLTAR and the LOLFlaylock. Solo Player Squad status: Locked

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1762	Posted - 2013.11.23 18:37:00 - [61] - Quote Logi OP anyways because you can tank it better than an assault I mean what you could do is remove the nade slot Make every fit invalid if all equipment slots are not filled - some will use basic equipment and still try to play it like an assault but what you gonna do, they filled the equip slots Possible logi skill change? i mean 5hp/s is a complex for free without taking up a slot or maybe make it more logi orientated For assaults make them faster movement wise and maybe better offensive skill to go with the suit
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 449	Posted - 2013.11.23 18:43:00 - [62] - Quote I'm gonna go ahead and put the fault for this squarely on the dumbed down fitting system used in DUST. First, removing hardpoints. In EVE the damage a ship is capable of is dictated largely by how many hardpoints it has. A ship with 8 turret hardpoints can deal 8/5ths the damage of a ship with five hardpoints, assuming all other things equal. In DUST a logi fits the same weapon as an assault. The trivial increase offered by suit bonuses is all that gives the assault a DPS edge. Second, trading high slots for specialized slots. Instead of having to sacrifice damage to fit high slot utility mods, we have a set amount of each we use. Once again, the logi ends up with the same weapon capabilities as the assault. Third, a max of five slots per power level just isn't enough, especially with one power level being eliminated. EVE's eight max was great, it gave you the possibility of a significant increase without being unreasonable. Proposed fix: HI/mid/lo slots, max of eight each. Keep heavy/light/sidearm/grenade slots, but have them no longer cost PG/CPU. They are now there solely to identify the weapon being used. Add heavy/light/sidearm/grenade hardpoints. These are how many high slots can be occupied by the appropriate weapon power cores. These linearly increase the damage of the corresponding weapon. Equipping none causes the weapon to do little or no damage. High slots that do not contain hard points would contain what are now considered equipment slot items. Result: the offensive power of logis becomes drastically reduced, and we are able to re-enter our role of combat support. Logis can be tanky as is often required to effectively perform their role, without becoming superior front line troops to assaults. Boom.
Eskel Bondfree DUST University Ivy League 174	Posted - 2013.11.23 19:12:00 - [63] - Quote Cat Merc, be an honest cat and change the word 'logi' in your post to 'prototype Gallente logi'. You will get multiple sardines from me for that.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1092	Posted - 2013.11.23 19:14:00 - [64] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: gg JKl wrote: He has 3 complex dam mods with the imperial and hes exploiting the overheat as well... lol No I don't? Look at the shield bar. How do I get that much shielding without extenders? would be a good movie if not for the exploit with the overheat saving you from getting killed, why don't you just eat the death ? It gives all us day 1 SCR users a bad name. Where did I use it? I don't recall using it in that video - I've not used it lately, mostly because it's so broken. EDIT: And honestly, I shouldn't have done it, wherever I did it. Its more near the end, when theres a flood of enemy troops nearing your position it looks to me like its intentional so you could easely cut trough without having to worry about heat. You got good aim and seem to prefer defensive based gameplay, so i don't understand why you would need it. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5336	Posted - 2013.11.23 19:19:00 - [65] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: gg JKl wrote: He has 3 complex dam mods with the imperial and hes exploiting the overheat as well... lol No I don't? Look at the shield bar. How do I get that much shielding without extenders? would be a good movie if not for the exploit with the overheat saving you from getting killed, why don't you just eat the death ? It gives all us day 1 SCR users a bad name. Where did I use it? I don't recall using it in that video - I've not used it lately, mostly because it's so broken. EDIT: And honestly, I shouldn't have done it, wherever I did it. Its more near the end, when theres a flood of enemy troops nearing your position it looks to me like its intentional so you could easely cut trough without having to worry about heat. You got good aim and seem to prefer defensive based gameplay, so i don't understand why you would need it. Ah, I see what you mean. I feel bad now. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Erth Deteis Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 50	Posted - 2013.11.23 19:27:00 - [66] - Quote gg JKl wrote: He has 3 complex dam mods with the imperial and hes exploiting the overheat as well... lol What is the exploit??
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1094	Posted - 2013.11.23 19:45:00 - [67] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: This is what is destroying the game Proto gallente suit with 830hp (i think that's the MAX armour) scrambler rifle prof 5 3-4 complex damage mods. I'm not sure how many slots that pro gallente logi suit has so somebody help me with the maths. I'm assuming that with the mods and proficiency the SCR does 100hp per shot? that means starter fits die in 3 rounds, i.e less than a second. and how can you mathematically inflict that much damage on somebody like that before they kill you? you can't. hence invincibility hence 49-0 this isn't anything against the player, I know they are a forum-user. don't hate the player hate the game I guess but some people do take the **. People in starter fits die all the same if they get hit by a 3x damage modded duvolle, ie: before they can react... Quote:** Ah, I see what you mean. I feel bad now. Sad Personally idd have trouble sleeping...:p Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Oswald Rehnquist 659	Posted - 2013.11.23 20:16:00 - [68] - Quote Wow, I'm usually off on the sidelines hacking and and flanking so I don't normally get to see front line action to often for very long, but wow the suit and load out is so forgiving. Regardless I don't think other logis do 49-0 too often, so kudos on the score. Below 28 dB
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 20	Posted - 2013.11.23 20:26:00 - [69] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9 Look at that. First of all, that Gallente logi has as much armor as my Gallente Assault has total eHP. He also has a passive 5hp/s regeneration, making him that much more tanky. That point where he was hacking a CRU and was almost killed? If it was an assault suit he would be dead. Also, notice how once the dude spawned he could see him? That's because Logis have lower scan precision than assaults (lower = better), and putting just one point into passive scanning he can already see all assaults, while they can't see him. Then there's the equipment. The scanner makes it so that unless he is hacking, no one can sneak on him. Then as soon as he takes damage he can just plop down a triage hive. Then resupply his ammo. The logi is literally a one man army. No wonder almost everyone I see in PC runs logi. what assaults can't carry triage hives? Just what in the world do you use tha equiment slot for? If anything the video demonstraed how insanely powerfull proto is vs mlt and standad. it was a perfect storm of Proto vs Militia.(when they kept running up the stairs catching grenades in the face lol) Good teamplay by sticking the fallen who benifited from the triage points as well. Dat plasma cannon guy that stuck around, plus that last stand, awesome video. His team lost anyway which speaks for itsself. *I fly I shoot I rep I tank/ Heavy, Scout, Assault and Logi at range/ I'm the Jack of all trades/ Master of Some
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3940	Posted - 2013.11.23 20:27:00 - [70] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Cat Merc wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9 Look at that. First of all, that Gallente logi has as much armor as my Gallente Assault has total eHP. He also has a passive 5hp/s regeneration, making him that much more tanky. That point where he was hacking a CRU and was almost killed? If it was an assault suit he would be dead. Also, notice how once the dude spawned he could see him? That's because Logis have lower scan precision than assaults (lower = better), and putting just one point into passive scanning he can already see all assaults, while they can't see him. Then there's the equipment. The scanner makes it so that unless he is hacking, no one can sneak on him. Then as soon as he takes damage he can just plop down a triage hive. Then resupply his ammo. The logi is literally a one man army. No wonder almost everyone I see in PC runs logi. what assaults can't carry triage hives? Just what in the world do you use tha equiment slot for? If anything the video demonstraed how insanely powerfull proto is vs mlt and standad. it was a perfect storm of Proto vs Militia.(when they kept running up the stairs catching grenades in the face lol) Good teamplay by sticking the fallen who benifited from the triage points as well. Dat plasma cannon guy that stuck around, plus that last stand, awesome video. His team lost anyway which speaks for itsself. Good luck fitting those on an Assault >_> Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.

Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5339	Posted - 2013.11.23 20:39:00 - [71] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: Cat Merc wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9 Look at that. First of all, that Gallente logi has as much armor as my Gallente Assault has total eHP. He also has a passive 5hp/s regeneration, making him that much more tanky. That point where he was hacking a CRU and was almost killed? If it was an assault suit he would be dead. Also, notice how once the dude spawned he could see him? That's because Logis have lower scan precision than assaults (lower = better), and putting just one point into passive scanning he can already see all assaults, while they can't see him. Then there's the equipment. The scanner makes it so that unless he is hacking, no one can sneak on him. Then as soon as he takes damage he can just plop down a triage hive. Then resupply his ammo. The logi is literally a one man army. No wonder almost everyone I see in PC runs logi. what assaults can't carry triage hives? Just what in the world do you use tha equiment slot for? If anything the video demonstraed how insanely powerfull proto is vs mlt and standad. it was a perfect storm of Proto vs Militia.(when they kept running up the stairs catching grenades in the face lol) Good teamplay by sticking the fallen who benifited from the triage points as well. Dat plasma cannon guy that stuck around, plus that last stand, awesome video. His team lost anyway which speaks for itsself. Good luck fitting those on an Assault >_> I use some on my assault as well. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3940	Posted - 2013.11.23 20:40:00 - [72] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: Cat Merc wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9 Look at that. First of all, that Gallente logi has as much armor as my Gallente Assault has total eHP. He also has a passive 5hp/s regeneration, making him that much more tanky. That point where he was hacking a CRU and was almost killed? If it was an assault suit he would be dead. Also, notice how once the dude spawned he could see him? That's because Logis have lower scan precision than assaults (lower = better), and putting just one point into passive scanning he can already see all assaults, while they can't see him. Then there's the equipment. The scanner makes it so that unless he is hacking, no one can sneak on him. Then as soon as he takes damage he can just plop down a triage hive. Then resupply his ammo. The logi is literally a one man army. No wonder almost everyone I see in PC runs logi. what assaults can't carry triage hives? Just what in the world do you use tha equiment slot for? If anything the video demonstraed how insanely powerfull proto is vs mlt and standad. it was a perfect storm of Proto vs Militia.(when they kept running up the stairs catching grenades in the face lol) Good teamplay by sticking the fallen who benifited from the triage points as well. Dat plasma cannon guy that stuck around, plus that last stand, awesome video. His team lost anyway which speaks for itsself. Good luck fitting those on an Assault >_> I use some on my assault as well. Either you're an Amarr assault, who can actually fit that. Or you're a Gallente assault, which means that you heavily sacrifice on the rest of the suit to fit that. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5339	Posted - 2013.11.23 20:42:00 - [73] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: Cat Merc wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9 Look at that. First of all, that Gallente logi has as much armor as my Gallente Assault has total eHP. He also has a passive 5hp/s regeneration, making him that much more tanky. That point where he was hacking a CRU and was almost killed? If it was an assault suit he would be dead. Also, notice how once the dude spawned he could see him? That's because Logis have lower scan precision than assaults (lower = better), and putting just one point into passive scanning he can already see all assaults, while they can't see him. Then there's the equipment. The scanner makes it so that unless he is hacking, no one can sneak on him. Then as soon as he takes damage he can just plop down a triage hive. Then resupply his ammo. The logi is literally a one man army. No wonder almost everyone I see in PC runs logi. what assaults can't carry triage hives? Just what in the world do you use tha equiment slot for? If anything the video demonstraed how insanely powerfull proto is vs mlt and standad. it was a perfect storm of Proto vs Militia.(when they kept running up the stairs catching grenades in the face lol) Good teamplay by sticking the fallen who benifited from the triage points as well. Dat plasma cannon guy that stuck around, plus that last stand, awesome video. His team lost anyway which speaks for itsself. Good luck fitting those on an Assault >_> I use some on my assault as well. Either you're an Amarr assault, who can actually fit that. Or you're a Gallente assault, which means that you heavily sacrifice on the rest of the suit to fit that. I'm a Caldari assault. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3940	Posted - 2013.11.23 20:43:00 - [74] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I use some on my assault as well. Either you're an Amarr assault, who can actually fit that. Or you're a Gallente assault, which means that you heavily sacrifice on the rest of the suit to fit that.[/quote] I'm a Caldari assault. [/quote] Then you're using a CPU extender, which is something a Gal Assault can't do with sacrificing his armor tank heavily. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
daishi mk03 BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion 404	Posted - 2013.11.23 20:45:00 - [75] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: Every decent player would have sent him to hell after 1 min (the CRU hacking scene). How can one not see that big red marker? Logi suit compensates for that No, nothing compensates for a Toxin SMG clip into your head.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3940	Posted - 2013.11.23 20:47:00 - [76] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: Every decent player would have sent him to hell after 1 min (the CRU hacking scene). How can one not see that big red marker? Logi suit compensates for that No, nothing compensates for a Toxin SMG clip into your head. That raises it's DPS to around 500-600. That logi has more armor than that, and that's not even including shields. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 990	Posted - 2013.11.23 21:29:00 - [77] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Cat Merc wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9 Look at that. First of all, that Gallente logi has as much armor as my Gallente Assault has total eHP. He also has a passive 5hp/s regeneration, making him that much more tanky. That point where he was hacking a CRU and was almost killed? If it was an assault suit he would be dead. Also, notice how once the dude spawned he could see him? That's because Logis have lower scan precision than assaults (lower = better), and putting just one point into passive scanning he can already see all assaults, while they can't see him. Then there's the equipment. The scanner makes it so that unless he is hacking, no one can sneak on him. Then as soon as he takes damage he can just plop down a triage hive. Then resupply his ammo. The logi is literally a one man army. No wonder almost everyone I see in PC runs logi. what assaults can't carry triage hives? Just what in the world do you use tha equiment slot for? If anything the video demonstraed how insanely powerfull proto is vs mlt and standad. it was a perfect storm of Proto vs Militia.(when they kept running up the stairs catching grenades in the face lol) Good teamplay by sticking the fallen who benifited from the triage points as well. Dat plasma cannon guy that stuck around, plus that last stand, awesome video. His team lost anyway which speaks for itsself. Are you serious an assault if he build his suit around assaulting he will run out of CPU/PG before he can fit anything in the equipment slots. Now I could be wrong but I am still trying to build a tank suit that does not sacrifice damage output and survivability. So if anyone out there has any ideas how to do this I am all ears. Do not eat the yellow snow
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5345	Posted - 2013.11.23 22:12:00 - [78] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: Every decent player would have sent him to hell after 1 min (the CRU hacking scene). How can one not see that big red marker? Logi suit compensates for that No, nothing compensates for a Toxin SMG clip into your head. That raises it's DPS to around 500-600. That logi has more armor than that, and that's not even including shields. What actually compensated for it was the blueberry emptying a clip into his head. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3942	Posted - 2013.11.23 22:18:00 - [79] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cat Merc wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: Every decent player would have sent him to hell after 1 min (the CRU hacking scene). How can one not see that big red marker? Logi suit compensates for that No, nothing compensates for a Toxin SMG clip into your head. That raises it's DPS to around 500-600. That logi has more armor than that, and that's not even including shields. What actually compensated for it was the blueberry emptying a clip into his head. If you noticed, he took more HP from you than an assault that is considered beefy. If it wasn't a logi suit, you would be dead right there. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1237	Posted - 2013.11.23 22:20:00 - [80] - Quote I can kind of understand the GalLogi thing, but please, PLEASE Mr. Cat, SAY that it is the GalLogi in these thread titles! I have points in all the Minmatar and Amarr Medium Dropsuits, Logi and Assault, and I fear for their Logistics suits if these threads are taken out of context as to apply to all Logistics players. We understand all the complaints lodged towards the State and the Federation, but the Empire and Tribes, for once, did nothing wrong :c Shields as Weapons

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3947	Posted - 2013.11.23 22:24:00 - [81] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: I can kind of understand the GalLogi thing, but please, PLEASE Mr. Cat, SAY that it is the GalLogi in these thread titles! I have points in all the Minmatar and Amarr Medium Dropsuits, Logi and Assault, and I fear for their Logistics suits if these threads are taken out of context as to apply to all Logistics players. We understand all the complaints lodged towards the State and the Federation, but the Empire and Tribes, for once, did nothing wrong :c Amarr - Maybe. The Assault has nearly the same CPU/PG, which is a good thing. Minmatar - Why? They start off with assault like speed, have 4/4/4 slots. I honestly don't see why they are an exception. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1237	Posted - 2013.11.23 22:38:00 - [82] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: I can kind of understand the GalLogi thing, but please, PLEASE Mr. Cat, SAY that it is the GalLogi in these thread titles! I have points in all the Minmatar and Amarr Medium Dropsuits, Logi and Assault, and I fear for their Logistics suits if these threads are taken out of context as to apply to all Logistics players. We understand all the complaints lodged towards the State and the Federation, but the Empire and Tribes, for once, did nothing wrong :c Amarr - Maybe. The Assault has nearly the same CPU/PG, which is a good thing. Minmatar - Why? They start off with assault like speed, have 4/4/4 slots. I honestly don't see why they are an exception. Maybe because I just don't use prototype gear(ISK bonfires are more cost efficient) but they seem far weaker than their French/Japanese counterparts. The Minny suit doesn't even have a bonus relate-able to combat, and has rather low base HP besides. Maybe the proto's slots make up for that, but I wouldn't be caught dead in that. All those mods would be like pissing away ISK :c Also, Minny Logi has Assault like speed... for the rest of the races. Pretty sure Minny Assault is faster still, with a decent slot layout. Personally, I'd rather see the Tiering system die out and just have Minmatar Logi suit, not Minny Logi MLT, STD, ADV, and PRO. Feels like fake progression to me, especially seeing as the suits are the 'ships' of DUST. I don't get a super Thrasher at Minmatar Destroyers 3. Guns can have that leeway I suppose, as turrets have a system like that in EVE, but the Dropsuits just feel erg. But I'm getting off topic, don't mind my tangent... Reason I didn't say anything about Amarr was because we all know it's the runt of the litter. It's just an ASsault with an extra equip slot in exchange for some fitting, if I remember correctly. Which I doubt I do. Shields as Weapons
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 545	Posted - 2013.11.23 22:42:00 - [83] - Quote There! at 2:50! I always try to explain this to my squad mates but they never understand! Sometimes it dims while you hack and your arms start to glow and it looks so cool! But it doesnt happen every time! The Sinwarden
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5346	Posted - 2013.11.23 22:45:00 - [84] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: There! at 2:50! I always try to explain this to my squad mates but they never understand! Sometimes it dims while you hack and your arms start to glow and it looks so cool! But it doesnt happen every time! Yeah! It's weird. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 498	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:07:00 - [85] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9 Look at that. First of all, that Gallente logi has as much armor as my Gallente Assault has total eHP. He also has a passive 5hp/s regeneration, making him that much more tanky. That point where he was hacking a CRU and was almost killed? If it was an assault suit he would be dead. Also, notice how once the dude spawned he could see him? That's because Logis have lower scan precision than assaults (lower = better), and putting just one point into passive scanning he can already see all assaults, while they can't see him. Then there's the equipment. The scanner makes it so that unless he is hacking, no one can sneak on him. Then as soon as he takes damage he can just plop down a triage hive. Then resupply his ammo. The logi is literally a one man army. No wonder almost everyone I see in PC runs logi. Along with the OPness of the Logi,the other thing that this video really shows me is how absolutely ridiculous the Scramber Rifle really is.Most enemies dropped is about 3-4 uncharged shots,and the charged shots seem to hit harder than sniper rifles!I honestly don't think that it's doing any less damage to armor,like it's supposed to.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1237	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:18:00 - [86] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Cat Merc wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9 Look at that. First of all, that Gallente logi has as much armor as my Gallente Assault has total eHP. He also has a passive 5hp/s regeneration, making him that much more tanky. That point where he was hacking a CRU and was almost killed? If it was an assault suit he would be dead. Also, notice how once the dude spawned he could see him? That's because Logis have lower scan precision than assaults (lower = better), and putting just one point into passive scanning he can already see all assaults, while they can't see him. Then there's the equipment. The scanner makes it so that unless he is hacking, no one can sneak on him. Then as soon as he takes damage he can just plop down a triage hive. Then resupply his ammo. The logi is literally a one man army. No wonder almost everyone I see in PC runs logi. Along with the OPness of the Logi,the other thing that this video really shows me is how absolutely ridiculous the Scramber Rifle really is.Most enemies dropped is about 3-4 uncharged shots,and the charged shots seem to hit harder than sniper rifles!I honestly don't think that it's doing any less damage to armor,like it's supposed to. If you don't think it does less damage to armor, then I implore you to use one. Pick one up, by all means. Then crap your pants the next time you see a Heavy suit or a Gallente. He's using the prototype Semi-Auto, if I identified it right. I'd expect it to hit as hard as the Tactical Assault Rifle, wouldn't you? Shields as Weapons
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5349	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:21:00 - [87] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: Along with the OPness of the Logi,the other thing that this video really shows me is how absolutely ridiculous the Scramber Rifle really is.Most enemies dropped is about 3-4 uncharged shots,and the charged shots seem to hit harder than sniper rifles!I honestly don't think that it's doing any less damage to armor,like it's supposed to. If you don't think it does less damage to armor, then I implore you to use one. Pick one up, by all means. Then crap your pants the next time you see a Heavy suit or a Gallente. He's using the prototype Semi-Auto, if I identified it right. I'd expect it to hit as hard as the Tactical Assault Rifle, wouldn't you? Don't forget the prof V and damage mods. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1671	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:34:00 - [88] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: InB4ButLogisAreSlowerThenAssaultsAndHaveLowerBaseStatsAndNoSidearm! Yup, cause a sidearm means so much when I can just blap you before I run out of half my health. Refunding a few AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore
gg JKl 0	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:47:00 - [89] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: I can kind of understand the GalLogi thing, but please, PLEASE Mr. Cat, SAY that it is the GalLogi in these thread titles! I have points in all the Minmatar and Amarr Medium Dropsuits, Logi and Assault, and I fear for their Logistics suits if these threads are taken out of context as to apply to all Logistics players. We understand all the complaints lodged towards the State and the Federation, but the Empire and Tribes, for once, did nothing wrong :c Amarr - Maybe. The Assault has nearly the same CPU/PG, which is a good thing. Minmatar - Why? They start off with assault like speed, have 4/4/4 slots. I honestly don't see why they are an exception. Maybe because I just don't use prototype gear(ISK bonfires are more cost efficient) but they seem far weaker than their French/Japanese counterparts. The Minny suit doesn't even have a bonus relate-able to combat, and has rather low base HP besides. Maybe the proto's slots make up for that, but I wouldn't be caught dead in that. All those mods would be like pissing away ISK :c Also, Minny Logi has Assault like speed... for the rest of the races. Pretty sure Minny Assault is faster still, with a decent slot layout. Personally, I'd rather see the Tiering system die out and just have Minmatar Logi suit, not Minny Logi MLT, STD, ADV, and PRO. Feels like fake progression to me, especially seeing as the suits are the 'ships' of DUST. I don't get a super Thrasher at Minmatar Destroyers 3. Guns can have that leeway I suppose, as turrets have a system like that in EVE, but the Dropsuits just feel erg. But I'm getting off topic, don't mind my tangent... Reason I didn't say anything about Amarr was because we all know it's the runt of the litter. It's just an ASsault with an extra equip slot in exchange for some fitting, if I remember correctly. Which I doubt I do. Minny logi has a better shield recharge rate and shield depleted recharge then the assault. Has a better distribution of slots at proto and a better inbuilt armor repair. speed differences are minor speed tanking is dead.
ugg reset Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 410	Posted - 2013.11.24 02:03:00 - [90] - Quote watch this vid again and tell me how many ADV suites you see. because I didn't see any. anyone who has been here since uprising started could have dropped this guy with the right fit. all that armor is going to do really well against the CBR and the RR in 1.7 quando omni flunkus, moritati

Ridire Greine 63	Posted - 2013.11.24 02:07:00 - [91] - Quote I have more trouble taking out Gallente Logis than Heavies when in CQC. Property of Knight SoiaireGäó R 0 N 1 N
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1482	Posted - 2013.11.24 03:34:00 - [92] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXa5GZszk8&t=9 Look at that. First of all, that Gallente logi has as much armor as my Gallente Assault has total eHP. He also has a passive 5hp/s regeneration, making him that much more tanky. That point where he was hacking a CRU and was almost killed? If it was an assault suit he would be dead. Also, notice how once the dude spawned he could see him? That's because Logis have lower scan precision than assaults (lower = better), and putting just one point into passive scanning he can already see all assaults, while they can't see him. Then there's the equipment. The scanner makes it so that unless he is hacking, no one can sneak on him. Then as soon as he takes damage he can just plop down a triage hive. Then resupply his ammo. The logi is literally a one man army. No wonder almost everyone I see in PC runs logi. An easy fix would be to just take away that 5th slot and give it to the assault or just simply buff assault. I have proto amarr assault and proto amarr logi, these two are well balanced I believe provided people utilise the assault bonus which is what its about right? Utilising bonus and skills. The Amarr assault is the only assault with a proper bonus And a simple buff to assaults would also require a buff to scouts and heavies and commandos. Yeah sounds good Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Kaughst 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 42	Posted - 2013.11.24 04:13:00 - [93] - Quote I kind of agree with this assessment. And there are still a number of things the logi does not need to worry about than the assault suit. It's kind of funny that when I hear 'buff the assault' they are admitting that the logi is stronger in aspects that overcome the assault suits role. Kaughst, kost, kogist, kaust, kahst, kog. I go by many names. Mostly because people do not know how to pronounce my name
Rusty Shallows 542	Posted - 2013.11.24 05:21:00 - [94] - Quote Ridire Greine wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: They say scouts are mostly fine because they are faster Who the hell says this? My Scout suit with two Comp Kin Catz is only .6m/s faster than a Minnie Assault with two Comp Kin Catz. Scouts are barely faster. Korvin was using sarcasm for an argument someone might actually use. Highlighting the ludicrous debates we get on these forums. Debating is much easier than actually discussing. As for the main topic. I run in a Fatty suit with Heavy Weapons so it feels like I'm in some Third World Nation watching First World people having First World Nation problems. The impression this game gives is Slots + CPU + Grid = Power. Once a suit of any build light/medium/heavy has less than another in comparison then the other characteristics become exceedingly important. One thing that I'm curious about would be, if there is an issue with the Gallente Logi does it start to happen at Advanced or Proto level? Is the Basic balanced to the other Basic suits, etc? To be honest the only thing I care about is that things aren't fixed simply by nerfing. "She may not be Miss Right but she'll do right now." SR-71 310k+ SP for +0.05m/s (>2in) on a Heavy. Totally worth it.
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 103	Posted - 2013.11.24 05:33:00 - [95] - Quote Haha I've been using Triage Hives on my Dual Tanked Caldari Logi for a long time. Gotta love it. "Do not underestimate the power you have."
Shruikan Iceeye 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 99	Posted - 2013.11.24 06:39:00 - [96] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Heavies not so much, in relation to assaults they are balanced with the HP increase. Scouts need a major buff. Bull Teets. The inability to dodge shots in a game where the weapons pump out so much damage in seconds is tremendously disabling. Add on top of that the HMG that can by dodged so easily and you have one weak azz push over heavy.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 152	Posted - 2013.11.24 06:47:00 - [97] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Just remove the assault class already and refund our skill points. No I have fun with my cal assault Christ is lord Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now. Free tacos
Funkmaster Whale Fatal Absolution 1216	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:30:00 - [98] - Quote All I see is just how crazy the ScR is. It's pretty much like the old Tac Rifle in terms of damage. Time to make the switch. Let me play you the song of my people!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3961	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:14:00 - [99] - Quote Shruikan Iceeye wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Heavies not so much, in relation to assaults they are balanced with the HP increase. Scouts need a major buff. Bull Teets. The inability to dodge shots in a game where the weapons pump out so much damage in seconds is tremendously disabling. Add on top of that the HMG that can by dodged so easily and you have one weak azz push over heavy. Try an AR or SCR. Heavy is fine, HMG isn't. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1511	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:57:00 - [100] - Quote Erth Deteis wrote: gg JKl wrote: He has 3 complex dam mods with the imperial and hes exploiting the overheat as well... lol What is the exploit?? Don't you know? There's an easy trick to "skip" the overheat animation. Actually, you can't ADS during the overheat time, but you can spam hipfire without making your weapon blow up in your face. So, it's like: -pew pew pew overheat -> exploit -pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew -End of "overheat" I'm not posting how to do it, there are too many people doing it already. Fortunately, it's about to get fixed in 1.7. -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"

Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 883	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:01:00 - [101] - Quote I dont its just logis thats the problem in that vid, I dont think theres another gun other than shotguns that can kill someone that fast.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 1768	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:11:00 - [102] - Quote It's not just the fact he's a logi at all. In PC Kalente/Reg with Shields Assaults > all logi's because accuracy during strafe battles when the assault has a better strafe = doesn't matter they have 2-300 less ehp. They still win. However...logi's shouldn't have the 5 rep/s. And gallente assault obviously need a buff. As a gallente assault I want a racial bonus that nullfies armor plating movement penalties or significantly reduces them. Just 0.02 isk. The scrambler is an amazing weapon...and for being a long range weapon...it has waaay sweet reload and hipfire accuaracy...personally I think non scoped a ranged weapon shouldn't be able to have n kick like that. A CQC weap should, but it should do much less DPS at range. Don't get me wrong without using the glitch that's currently making Scramblers OP I think the high alpha is fine, cause with that overheat mechanic it does take skill...but I think an ar reload similar reload time and more kick in cqc if it's going to do tac damage at range and have a sweet charged shot is in order. TTK is also a problem evidenced by this video. But that's another issue altogether. That's Master nader to you scrub. Skype me @ Zatara.Rought CCP's Motto: "SoonGäó"


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