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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2980
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Posted - 2013.11.23 06:49:00 -
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Shut the hell up
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
905
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Posted - 2013.11.23 07:35:00 -
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Remember New Berries, this was a hard lesson, and it was expensive, for us.
Learn from our experience.
Remember ISK costs nothing, it is worth nothing and most resembles digital monopoly(tm) money.
SP is the only thing that matters in DUST. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
594
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Posted - 2013.11.23 17:00:00 -
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Aw man im terrible at dust. But i have so many decently good ideas . |
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
197
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:27:00 -
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Iyllaria Dai wrote:So I find this hilarious. All these QQ'ers are crying because they spent IN GAME MONEY on IN GAME items, yet now that CCP is changing or "balancing" them they want their REAL LIFE money back?
Hmm.. Where was this outcry when CCP changed Logi suits that people spent IN GAME MONEY on that were changed and NO RESPEC or offer of reimbursement was offered? Where was the outcry when nerfs for weapons like the MD or FG were done, yet all are major changes in an item that was purchased under good faith of what it was.
Grow Up.
It's called balancing, change, improvement. Don't like what is currently on the market for AUR, then keep it and wait till they add new stuff.
BPO's ruin the economy. They make the game a pay to win game which from the start was what they were trying to avoid. They should remove every last one and tell you all to get over it.
BPO's used the word permanent to describe the fact it does NOT consume with use. NOT that it will not be changed or in this case removed from the game in order to improve the overall gameplay for EVERYONE, not just your QQ'ing cry baby selves.
Hell they are at least refunding in AUR what they currently value the BPO's at which is FAR MORE than what most of the people bought them at.
All this talk about EULA not holding up in court, how about posting proof of it. Otherwise it's heresay and just more BS spouting from the lips of those who are unhappy with a change to their precious suit versus the overall benefit to the wider expanse of the game.
Hell if CCP gave a refund on BPO's because a few forum junkies are unhappy then they should just wipe the server, do a full reset and close up the game because everyone who has ever bought ANYTHING in the game with AUR, cold hard cash or ISK has spent something on an item that has likely been removed, tweaked, nerfed or otherwise changed and therefore due reimbursement. Im only speaking about aur items and in this instance am not refering to bpos....
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Pvt Numnutz
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
292
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:30:00 -
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This has always been since dusts inception. If a new player wants to try out a weapon at a higher grade then let them do it in peace. Stop telling people how to spend their money and freaking everyone out. Those who lost the four aur items got their aur back and then some. |
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
197
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:45:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:This has always been since dusts inception. If a new player wants to try out a weapon at a higher grade then let them do it in peace. Stop telling people how to spend their money and freaking everyone out. Those who lost the four aur items got their aur back and then some. Umm no I didnt and its not the point the point here is to affect change, fanboy it up or support it idc which. |
Necandi Brasil
DUST BRASIL S.A Covert Intervention
468
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:48:00 -
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Disagree with CCP's policy? Stop playing ... This will make them look more after their customers.
A DUST BRASIL S.A precisa de você ! Junte-se a nós !
Hey CCP, give me PvE!
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xLuca Brasi
DUST University Ivy League
47
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:57:00 -
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Necandi Brasil wrote:Disagree with CCP's policy? Stop playing ... This will make them look more after their customers.
the only real problem with that. is some of us love this game, and would rather try to get CCP to compromise so they can maintain our business.
that's the only real win/win...
they treat us reasonably, we can play the game without feeling like our time is meaningless to them, they can get more of our money.
every business is about people 1st, product is secondary.
make your consumer feel good, and good about using your product, and you will have a customer for life.
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
257
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:35:00 -
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I just had to respond to a thread with a title in all caps.
THIS IS MY RESPONSE.
Life is killing me.
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Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
257
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:36:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:[quote=Necandi Brasil]every business is about people 1st, product is secondary. You must be new to capitalism...
Life is killing me.
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KayDidYue
Mercenaries On Duty
4
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:41:00 -
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[quote=Viktor Hadah JrWell if comparing it to wal-mart you can't buy a laptop keep it around for 6 months see a cheaper and different model comes around then go back to wal-mart and say "I did not use this, so i want my money back"
CCP gives you warning before major updates or changes occur, if you had fused locus grenades sitting around for 3 months and then you see the update and say "hey I did not use these grenades although i had them for 3 months and it is your fault CCP so give me my money back."
If you are going to buy something and not use it for a few month it will change it is not fault of CCP's you are not using them during the time you deemed they were good.[/quote]
So I bought 25 'Farsight' Sniper Rifles, only used 5 when they had a triple SP event, and ended up being able to get a better rifle using ISK, Why can't I sell back to them (or someone else) those remaining rifles? If I could get the AUR back, I would spend it on something else so they would not be out of money.
So if I buy something and they change it (which, btw, they do not always give you a fair amount of time to use something up) then in most places it is considered illegal to change something that you paid for.
As an example, if you buy a years subscription to a monthly magazine, then they change it from monthly to quarterly, you would except that?
How about you buy a car that you are told gets 30 mpg, then they change something in the engine and it gets only 15 mpg and you are forced to get this change performed on your car, would you except that?
I think the policy needs to be changed too!
I do not really need my "real money" back for the changes, but I do think that they should give me back the AUR for any unused equipment. As of now, they have made changes and not returned anything.
But I do think that the refunds for the vehicle changes coming down is a good one. At least I will be able to use what I have remaining (being returned) to good use for something else. Furthermore, at least this time, they have given ample warning, where many times in the past we have received little to no warning.
Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready.
Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
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Rinas Rylos
Rinas' Raiders
66
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:41:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:If you want a game that stays the same since release i would suggest CoD,
****, not even. Remember when they changed some stuff and got freaking death threats over it? |
xLuca Brasi
DUST University Ivy League
52
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:41:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:[quote=Necandi Brasil]every business is about people 1st, product is secondary. You must be new to capitalism...
lol you really don't know what you think you know by posting this little quip.....
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Necandi Brasil
DUST BRASIL S.A Covert Intervention
468
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:09:00 -
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Since this BPO removal thing had this effect on the community, I highly doubt they will do this again ...
A DUST BRASIL S.A precisa de você ! Junte-se a nós !
Hey CCP, give me PvE!
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EL DONGITO
TIRANNY OF EVIL MEN
0
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:28:00 -
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I gotta hand it to you INFINITE, only you could get this many players panties in a wad. Props my man! Its my own private little soap opera. I can't wait for the next episode. |
TEXA5 HiTM4N
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
270
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:41:00 -
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they did refund my UVT.
Everything I say or do has the utmost importance.
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NomaDz 2K
DUTY FR33
77
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Posted - 2013.11.23 22:54:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:If your a new merc pay close attention. Ccp relys on new mercs and their money to support this game. As of now anything you purchase from ccp can be taken and or changed including boosters, bpo, aur consumables etc etc, over the past 6 months they have repeatedly done this and worse as they now have started refusing reimbursement for these aur items purchased no matter the amount. My advice to all new players do not purchase anything from this game until this company agrees to change this policy for reimbursement when aur items are then either taken or changed.... /\ TH!S |
xLuca Brasi
DUST University Ivy League
64
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:16:00 -
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NomaDz 2K wrote:INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:If your a new merc pay close attention. Ccp relys on new mercs and their money to support this game. As of now anything you purchase from ccp can be taken and or changed including boosters, bpo, aur consumables etc etc, over the past 6 months they have repeatedly done this and worse as they now have started refusing reimbursement for these aur items purchased no matter the amount. My advice to all new players do not purchase anything from this game until this company agrees to change this policy for reimbursement when aur items are then either taken or changed.... /\ TH!S
double this^
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
274
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:47:00 -
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Problem is OP, the time to dispute the terms of a contract is not after you have signed it. Creating your character and loging in are as good as a signature, and unfortunately for you, you either did not read the EULA (I sure as hell didn't), or you saw something that you didn't like yet you signed anyway. There is no way around it, and you are going to have to suck it up and deal with it.
I'm no lawyer by any means, but if CCP is following the contract they had you sign, and you are the one attempting to wiggle your way out of a possibility that was pointed out and explained before you agreed to the contract, technically you are the one in the wrong, and if CCP wanted to be d*cks about it, they could probably come after you for breach of contract.
You told CCP whenever you started playing that you understood they would be fully within their legal rights to do what they are currently doing, and you became a part of a legal binding document. The time to fight this was before you agreed to the EULA, it's to late now man. Sorry. |
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
199
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:53:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:Problem is OP, the time to dispute the terms of a contract is not after you have signed it. Creating your character and loging in are as good as a signature, and unfortunately for you, you either did not read the EULA (I sure as hell didn't), or you saw something that you didn't like yet you signed anyway. There is no way around it, and you are going to have to suck it up and deal with it.
I'm no lawyer by any means, but if CCP is following the contract they had you sign, and you are the one attempting to wiggle your way out of a possibility that was pointed out and explained before you agreed to the contract, technically you are the one in the wrong, and if CCP wanted to be d*cks about it, they could probably come after you for breach of contract.
You told CCP whenever you started playing that you understood they would be fully within their legal rights to do what they are currently doing, and you became a part of a legal binding document. The time to fight this was before you agreed to the EULA, it's to late now man. Sorry. No problem with the contract the problem is you arent paying attention thanks for your semi legal advice. This is not a question of legality. Its an attempt to affect change. If you are happy with the status quo good job, cheerlead away, but if you want change, well thats part of what these forums are here for, to express the desire for change in the game. Thats what we are doing here. |
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Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
274
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Posted - 2013.11.24 00:01:00 -
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As I said, the time for your issues was before agreeing to the EULA. You can do whatever you feel is needs to be done, but you don't seem to understand CCP is not a Mom and Pop corner store. They covered their bases, and you did not. They put the EULA in place to protect themselves from issues such as this one. They are a business.
If you don't mind sharing, did you not read the EULA, or did you just figure CCP would never exercise their legal right to screw with their licenced property?
I personally own some Dren BPOs and a Saga LAV BPO. CCP has said those are mine to keep, though I would not be surprised at all if one day they are taken from me, seeing as how the EULA clearly states CCP can do whatever they want with the equipment i've purchased. And of course, if the claim is these changes are for the greater good of the game (a game you liked enough to spend money on), I am all for it.
Anyway good luck or whatever. |
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
199
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Posted - 2013.11.24 00:22:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:As I said, the time for your issues was before agreeing to the EULA. You can do whatever you feel is needs to be done, but you don't seem to understand CCP is not a Mom and Pop corner store. They covered their bases, and you did not. They put the EULA in place to protect themselves from issues such as this one. They are a business.
If you don't mind sharing, did you not read the EULA, or did you just figure CCP would never exercise their legal right to screw with their licenced property?
I personally own some Dren BPOs and a Saga LAV BPO. CCP has said those are mine to keep, though I would not be surprised at all if one day they are taken from me, seeing as how the EULA clearly states CCP can do whatever they want with the equipment i've purchased. And of course, if the claim is these changes are for the greater good of the game (a game you liked enough to spend money on), I am all for it.
Anyway good luck or whatever. Wow this guy is slow, ya dude we get it, legal, eula, tos, blah blah blah, ok now we are to CHANGE that, if you like it great, I want better customer service and thats all, you keep likeing it and ill keep trying to change it, but the whole eula legal whatever has been stated about 100 times in this post we get it. Thats why its called CHANGE. |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
248
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Posted - 2013.11.24 00:23:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:As I said, the time for your issues was before agreeing to the EULA. You can do whatever you feel is needs to be done, but you don't seem to understand CCP is not a Mom and Pop corner store. They covered their bases, and you did not. They put the EULA in place to protect themselves from issues such as this one. They are a business.
If you don't mind sharing, did you not read the EULA, or did you just figure CCP would never exercise their legal right to screw with their licenced property?
I personally own some Dren BPOs and a Saga LAV BPO. CCP has said those are mine to keep, though I would not be surprised at all if one day they are taken from me, seeing as how the EULA clearly states CCP can do whatever they want with the equipment i've purchased. And of course, if the claim is these changes are for the greater good of the game (a game you liked enough to spend money on), I am all for it.
Anyway good luck or whatever. For feck sake, READ the OP. I'm not on board with the attitude these lads have at times but I'll do them the courtesy of at least reading what they want. Much as the thread gets a bit derailed at times the OP's desire is for changes to be made for the future. They're not arguing the past which you think they are, aside from the few detours. |
Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
830
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Posted - 2013.11.24 00:24:00 -
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ey ccp could we get some blue tags on this? this clearly is the most important thread on this forum |
Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
275
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Posted - 2013.11.24 00:32:00 -
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I understand completely what the OP wants. He can take shots at me and everyone else all he wants, it doesn't change any of the facts. You can champion "changing the way things work" all you want, it's no skin off my balls.
You ever gonna answer the question OP? Did you not read the EULA? Or did you just ignore what it said?
Anyway, y'all have fun trying to pretend your argument pertains to anything other than a legal binding document, I hope your crusade goes nicely.
I, however, cannot support your cause. Maybe because i'm an @sshole, or maybe because I can read, i'll let you decide.
EDIT: The OP is arguing about the past, asking for refunds. Grant it, OP also wants change for future, but maybe OP would have been better served focusing on the future, as opposed to b*tching about the situation he/she has found themselves in currently. |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
248
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Posted - 2013.11.24 00:39:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:I understand completely what the OP wants. He can take shots at me and everyone else all he wants, it doesn't change any of the facts. You can champion "changing the way things work" all you want, it's no skin off my balls.
You ever gonna answer the question OP? Did you not read the EULA? Or did you just ignore what it said?
Anyway, y'all have fun trying to pretend your argument pertains to anything other than a legal binding document, I hope your crusade goes nicely.
I, however, cannot support your cause. Maybe because i'm an @sshole, or maybe because I can read, i'll let you decide.
No, what you are is a fool that maybe can read but can't comprehend what he read. Again, the issue here in this thread discussion is not whether or not they feel they have been done wrong by the EULA and are trying to get out of it, but, that they want CCP to set it up in a different manner for the future. The tread where you posted up your response from here is where the argument is over the legality etc of the EULA and the attempt to get out of it. Ya a bit dim or something |
Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
275
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Posted - 2013.11.24 00:58:00 -
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lol. This isn't about a contract, it's about the balance of good and evil, it's about the duality of man, it's about each persons right as an individual to pursue the video game dream laid before all human kind by video god.
Actually, no, it is about a contract.
You see, because of near sighted folk like you ridiculous things like EULAs exist.
Imagine, a world where CCP is unable to continue development of their game because whenever an individual player decided they did not want something in the game to change, they would cry and moan and force CCP to keep things as they are.
In your video game utopia, the flaylock is still as effective as a light weapon, the mass driver is still raining a never ending death, and BPOs of modules that are being removed from the game are still in players inventories because "it's not about legalities".
If CCP was forced to stick with anything any random player didn't want changed, Dust would be jacked up beyond belief. If your beef is about getting your refund, you would be better off not showing your @ss on the forums and dealing with CCP in a respectful mannor, and in private.
If your beef is the way CCP runs it's business, as I said good luck, let me know how it all works out for ya ;-0 |
Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
275
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:14:00 -
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Heres a fun little tid bit, y'all aren't even complaining to the right people-
Dust EULA wrote: Purchase and use of items are subject to the Network Terms of Service and User Agreement. This online service has been sublicensed to you by Sony Computer Entertainment America.
Any content purchased in an in-game store will be purchased from Sony Network Entertainment Europe Limited (GÇ£SNEEGÇ¥) and be subject to Sony Entertainment Network Terms of Service and User Agreement which is available on the PlayStation-«Store.
I'm afraid you're going to have to accept the whole "legality argument" on this one.
I would suggest reading the Sony Entertainment Network TOS/UA, then contact Sony Network Entertainment Europe Limited and continuing from there.
And I guess that answers my question on whether OP actually read the EULA |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
248
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:18:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:lol. This isn't about a contract, it's about the balance of good and evil, it's about the duality of man, it's about each persons right as an individual to pursue the video game dream laid before all human kind by video god.
Actually, no, it is about a contract.
You see, because of near sighted folk like you ridiculous things like EULAs exist.
Imagine, a world where CCP is unable to continue development of their game because whenever an individual player decided they did not want something in the game to change, they would cry and moan and force CCP to keep things as they are.
In your video game utopia, the flaylock is still as effective as a light weapon, the mass driver is still raining a never ending death, and BPOs of modules that are being removed from the game are still in players inventories because "it's not about legalities".
If CCP was forced to stick with anything any random player didn't want changed, Dust would be jacked up beyond belief. If your beef is about getting your refund, you would be better off not showing your @ss on the forums and dealing with CCP in a respectful mannor, and in private.
If your beef is the way CCP runs it's business, as I said good luck, let me know how it all works out for ya ;-0 Lol, you really are an idiotic, ignorant douche bag. I don't agree with changing anything as I'm happy with the EULA, as I've stated in many other threads. But, I do support people questioning status quo. It's healthy and important to do so. Anyway, whatever. Arguing with a fool of your standard goes nowhere when they can't even grasp the basic subject matter. |
Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
275
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:21:00 -
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Again, in a strictly legal sense, you are not allowed to complain about what you are complaining about-
Dust EULA wrote: You may play DUST 514 by downloading and using CCP's proprietary software (the "Software"). Using the Software allows you to log into CCP's client system (the "System") and interact within the game environment created by CCP. CCP also operates the game EVE Online, which interacts with DUST 514 and is run using the same System.
To play DUST 514, CCP requires that you review and agree to the following terms and conditions of this End User License Agreement ("EULA").
**which contains nuggets such as**
CCP does not guarantee that it will continue to offer access to the System or support the Game. CCP may, in its sole discretion, cease to provide any or all of the services offered in connection with DUST 514 (including access to the System and any or all features or components of the Game)
Oh yea, but this isn't about whats legal and whats not, I keep forgetting. |
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