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Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:47:00 -
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Problem is OP, the time to dispute the terms of a contract is not after you have signed it. Creating your character and loging in are as good as a signature, and unfortunately for you, you either did not read the EULA (I sure as hell didn't), or you saw something that you didn't like yet you signed anyway. There is no way around it, and you are going to have to suck it up and deal with it.
I'm no lawyer by any means, but if CCP is following the contract they had you sign, and you are the one attempting to wiggle your way out of a possibility that was pointed out and explained before you agreed to the contract, technically you are the one in the wrong, and if CCP wanted to be d*cks about it, they could probably come after you for breach of contract.
You told CCP whenever you started playing that you understood they would be fully within their legal rights to do what they are currently doing, and you became a part of a legal binding document. The time to fight this was before you agreed to the EULA, it's to late now man. Sorry. |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.11.24 00:01:00 -
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As I said, the time for your issues was before agreeing to the EULA. You can do whatever you feel is needs to be done, but you don't seem to understand CCP is not a Mom and Pop corner store. They covered their bases, and you did not. They put the EULA in place to protect themselves from issues such as this one. They are a business.
If you don't mind sharing, did you not read the EULA, or did you just figure CCP would never exercise their legal right to screw with their licenced property?
I personally own some Dren BPOs and a Saga LAV BPO. CCP has said those are mine to keep, though I would not be surprised at all if one day they are taken from me, seeing as how the EULA clearly states CCP can do whatever they want with the equipment i've purchased. And of course, if the claim is these changes are for the greater good of the game (a game you liked enough to spend money on), I am all for it.
Anyway good luck or whatever. |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.11.24 00:32:00 -
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I understand completely what the OP wants. He can take shots at me and everyone else all he wants, it doesn't change any of the facts. You can champion "changing the way things work" all you want, it's no skin off my balls.
You ever gonna answer the question OP? Did you not read the EULA? Or did you just ignore what it said?
Anyway, y'all have fun trying to pretend your argument pertains to anything other than a legal binding document, I hope your crusade goes nicely.
I, however, cannot support your cause. Maybe because i'm an @sshole, or maybe because I can read, i'll let you decide.
EDIT: The OP is arguing about the past, asking for refunds. Grant it, OP also wants change for future, but maybe OP would have been better served focusing on the future, as opposed to b*tching about the situation he/she has found themselves in currently. |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.11.24 00:58:00 -
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lol. This isn't about a contract, it's about the balance of good and evil, it's about the duality of man, it's about each persons right as an individual to pursue the video game dream laid before all human kind by video god.
Actually, no, it is about a contract.
You see, because of near sighted folk like you ridiculous things like EULAs exist.
Imagine, a world where CCP is unable to continue development of their game because whenever an individual player decided they did not want something in the game to change, they would cry and moan and force CCP to keep things as they are.
In your video game utopia, the flaylock is still as effective as a light weapon, the mass driver is still raining a never ending death, and BPOs of modules that are being removed from the game are still in players inventories because "it's not about legalities".
If CCP was forced to stick with anything any random player didn't want changed, Dust would be jacked up beyond belief. If your beef is about getting your refund, you would be better off not showing your @ss on the forums and dealing with CCP in a respectful mannor, and in private.
If your beef is the way CCP runs it's business, as I said good luck, let me know how it all works out for ya ;-0 |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:14:00 -
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Heres a fun little tid bit, y'all aren't even complaining to the right people-
Dust EULA wrote:
Purchase and use of items are subject to the Network Terms of Service and User Agreement. This online service has been sublicensed to you by Sony Computer Entertainment America.
Any content purchased in an in-game store will be purchased from Sony Network Entertainment Europe Limited (GÇ£SNEEGÇ¥) and be subject to Sony Entertainment Network Terms of Service and User Agreement which is available on the PlayStation-«Store.
I'm afraid you're going to have to accept the whole "legality argument" on this one.
I would suggest reading the Sony Entertainment Network TOS/UA, then contact Sony Network Entertainment Europe Limited and continuing from there.
And I guess that answers my question on whether OP actually read the EULA |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:21:00 -
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Again, in a strictly legal sense, you are not allowed to complain about what you are complaining about-
Dust EULA wrote:
You may play DUST 514 by downloading and using CCP's proprietary software (the "Software"). Using the Software allows you to log into CCP's client system (the "System") and interact within the game environment created by CCP. CCP also operates the game EVE Online, which interacts with DUST 514 and is run using the same System.
To play DUST 514, CCP requires that you review and agree to the following terms and conditions of this End User License Agreement ("EULA").
**which contains nuggets such as**
CCP does not guarantee that it will continue to offer access to the System or support the Game. CCP may, in its sole discretion, cease to provide any or all of the services offered in connection with DUST 514 (including access to the System and any or all features or components of the Game)
Oh yea, but this isn't about whats legal and whats not, I keep forgetting. |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:30:00 -
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Oxskull Duncarino wrote:Lol, you really are an idiotic, ignorant douche bag. I don't agree with changing anything as I'm happy with the EULA, as I've stated in many other threads. But, I do support people questioning status quo. It's healthy and important to do so. Anyway, whatever. Arguing with a fool of your standard goes nowhere when they can't even grasp the basic subject matter.
I'll say this nice and slow for you-
If the OP wants to address his/her issue
He/she needs to contact Sony Network Entertainment Europe Limited
Because CCP is not the entity responsible for handling the OPs issue
I've showed y'all the path, if OP wants to do what OP wants to do, OP will HAVE to go through SNEE, crying to CCP will accomplish nothing.
Do you order a pizza, then go to the hospital expecting the doctor to make and deliver your pizza? You 2 special mofos might, but thats not the way it works.
But please, keep entertaining me. I'm sure it will click at some point that i'm not trolling you, and that i'm actually telling OP the proper channels to pursue to attempt to handle their issue.
But in the mean time, I will enjoy the specialness on display, for it entertains me.
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Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:41:00 -
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Oxskull Duncarino wrote:Let's see. CCP's desire for feedback on how this game is for the players, from the players , is something I imagined is it? Complaining IS feedback as requested! Haha, you attempt to appear relevant by quotoing EULAs here is fecking hilarious. Keep it up. Go on. Here's a hint. You're on the right track, but in the wrong place.
You are right, CCP is all about feedback from the players about their game. And i'm sure the dudes balancing the game and designing the maps would love to hear your take on International Business Practices and Ethics.
The business end of CCP, however, is not taking tips on how to run that business, and once again, SNEE is who needs to be contacted. You are almost there buddy, you can do it.
Here let me try a word problem-
If CCP says that any and all Dust related transactions are the responsibility and business of SNEE.....
Then the company to contact about Dust related purchase issues is.......
Is it all coming together yet? Here, let me help more-
The only 2 possible answers are CCP and SNEE, and CCP is the wrong answer.
Am I getting anywhere? Have you finally realized i'm not trolling, that i'm TELLING YOU WHO YOU NEED TO CONTACT ABOUT YOUR COMPLAINT?
Of course not, so lets continue. |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:48:00 -
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Oh i'm the specialest dude on the planet.
Which makes me wonder why I can comprehend basic business structures, yet you seem totally unable to.
And seeing as how you have no dog in this fight, why don't you go ahead and refresh me as to what your argument is.
From what i've pieced together, you don't like the way in which the entity responsible for handling Dust related purchases does business.
Thats fine, no problem.
So if you want to deal with this issue, contact SNEE.
Bam. Simple as that.
But I guess i'm still spouting cryptic legal jargon.
Rebuttle? |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:19:00 -
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*facepalm* |
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