DUST Search - Buff assaults, dont nerf logis

Marston VC wrote:

Tons of people are calling for CCP to nerf logi suits. That's just nonsensical. I haven't seen a single post bring up a valid way to nerf the logi suits without breaking them. (and before you guys say "hes just biased because he only uses logi suits" Actually..... I have three proto assault suits, and only 1 proto logi suit......). So rather then nerfing PG/CPU, or reducing damage, or taking away weapon availability. Why not just make it so that assault suits are better at slaying then logis????

One way or the other, an entire class of suits has to be changed. So rather then nerfing things and pissing people off, why not just buff things and make some people happy about it? The reason I think assaults should be buffed is because of the Calogi fiasco we had back in 1.0-1.1.

Somebody posted a fit of their Calogi before and after the nerf it got. The fit was literally the exact same but instead of having a bunch of logi like equipment, there was just 1 nanohive. Which means........ it was still a slayer fit...... Same exact suit, just a little bit less health in shields (because of the nerf to shields it got). So what happens if CCP nerfs things to the logi suits? Well..... history shows that it actually damages logiing like behavior, so instead of nurfing logis, I think it would be better to just make assaults better at what they do.

Give assault suits damage buffs to racial specific weapons, increase there CPU and PG so that they can use all those complex modules. (which would make sense considering its the same as a logi suit just without equipment slots). Make it so that its actually worth using assault suits, and stop talking all this nonsense about how "logis are OP" Buffing the calogi assault was a good start, but I don't personally believe it was enough because I know for a fact I see way more logi suits in PC battles then assaults. So yeah..... that's just my take on what should actually be done. IDK how you guys feel, and honestly it really doesn't concern me either way CCP decides to lean.

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Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1270	Posted - 2013.11.21 23:27:00 - [1] - Quote Tons of people are calling for CCP to nerf logi suits. That's just nonsensical. I haven't seen a single post bring up a valid way to nerf the logi suits without breaking them. (and before you guys say "hes just biased because he only uses logi suits" Actually..... I have three proto assault suits, and only 1 proto logi suit......). So rather then nerfing PG/CPU, or reducing damage, or taking away weapon availability. Why not just make it so that assault suits are better at slaying then logis???? One way or the other, an entire class of suits has to be changed. So rather then nerfing things and pissing people off, why not just buff things and make some people happy about it? The reason I think assaults should be buffed is because of the Calogi fiasco we had back in 1.0-1.1. Somebody posted a fit of their Calogi before and after the nerf it got. The fit was literally the exact same but instead of having a bunch of logi like equipment, there was just 1 nanohive. Which means........ it was still a slayer fit...... Same exact suit, just a little bit less health in shields (because of the nerf to shields it got). So what happens if CCP nerfs things to the logi suits? Well..... history shows that it actually damages logiing like behavior, so instead of nurfing logis, I think it would be better to just make assaults better at what they do. Give assault suits damage buffs to racial specific weapons, increase there CPU and PG so that they can use all those complex modules. (which would make sense considering its the same as a logi suit just without equipment slots). Make it so that its actually worth using assault suits, and stop talking all this nonsense about how "logis are OP" Buffing the calogi assault was a good start, but I don't personally believe it was enough because I know for a fact I see way more logi suits in PC battles then assaults. So yeah..... that's just my take on what should actually be done. IDK how you guys feel, and honestly it really doesn't concern me either way CCP decides to lean. Marston VC, STB director
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1034	Posted - 2013.11.21 23:52:00 - [2] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Tons of people are calling for CCP to nerf logi suits. That's just nonsensical. I haven't seen a single post bring up a valid way to nerf the logi suits without breaking them. (and before you guys say "hes just biased because he only uses logi suits" Actually..... I have three proto assault suits, and only 1 proto logi suit......). So rather then nerfing PG/CPU, or reducing damage, or taking away weapon availability. Why not just make it so that assault suits are better at slaying then logis???? One way or the other, an entire class of suits has to be changed. So rather then nerfing things and pissing people off, why not just buff things and make some people happy about it? The reason I think assaults should be buffed is because of the Calogi fiasco we had back in 1.0-1.1. Somebody posted a fit of their Calogi before and after the nerf it got. The fit was literally the exact same but instead of having a bunch of logi like equipment, there was just 1 nanohive. Which means........ it was still a slayer fit...... Same exact suit, just a little bit less health in shields (because of the nerf to shields it got). So what happens if CCP nerfs things to the logi suits? Well..... history shows that it actually damages logiing like behavior, so instead of nurfing logis, I think it would be better to just make assaults better at what they do. Give assault suits damage buffs to racial specific weapons, increase there CPU and PG so that they can use all those complex modules. (which would make sense considering its the same as a logi suit just without equipment slots). Make it so that its actually worth using assault suits, and stop talking all this nonsense about how "logis are OP" Buffing the calogi assault was a good start, but I don't personally believe it was enough because I know for a fact I see way more logi suits in PC battles then assaults. So yeah..... that's just my take on what should actually be done. IDK how you guys feel, and honestly it really doesn't concern me either way CCP decides to lean. In all honesty why are Assults at the same skill tree level as logi suits? The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
CAMille DANIELz planetary retaliation organisation 1	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:04:00 - [3] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Tons of people are calling for CCP to nerf logi suits. That's just nonsensical. I haven't seen a single post bring up a valid way to nerf the logi suits without breaking them. (and before you guys say "hes just biased because he only uses logi suits" Actually..... I have three proto assault suits, and only 1 proto logi suit......). So rather then nerfing PG/CPU, or reducing damage, or taking away weapon availability. Why not just make it so that assault suits are better at slaying then logis???? One way or the other, an entire class of suits has to be changed. So rather then nerfing things and pissing people off, why not just buff things and make some people happy about it? The reason I think assaults should be buffed is because of the Calogi fiasco we had back in 1.0-1.1. Somebody posted a fit of their Calogi before and after the nerf it got. The fit was literally the exact same but instead of having a bunch of logi like equipment, there was just 1 nanohive. Which means........ it was still a slayer fit...... Same exact suit, just a little bit less health in shields (because of the nerf to shields it got). So what happens if CCP nerfs things to the logi suits? Well..... history shows that it actually damages logiing like behavior, so instead of nurfing logis, I think it would be better to just make assaults better at what they do. Give assault suits damage buffs to racial specific weapons, increase there CPU and PG so that they can use all those complex modules. (which would make sense considering its the same as a logi suit just without equipment slots). Make it so that its actually worth using assault suits, and stop talking all this nonsense about how "logis are OP" Buffing the calogi assault was a good start, but I don't personally believe it was enough because I know for a fact I see way more logi suits in PC battles then assaults. So yeah..... that's just my take on what should actually be done. IDK how you guys feel, and honestly it really doesn't concern me either way CCP decides to lean. I absolutely agree with you Marston. The problem is not that the logistic dropsuits are overpowered, but rather that every other top-tier suit is underpowered. Buffing the heavies was a small step in the right direction, but I think it will be a while before we see a true balancing of suit abilities. Right now CCP is enamored with the new racial-specific weaponry. For the time being, game focus is going to shift not towards what suits we are using, but the weapons and vehicles we use. Hoepfully this will at least keep things more interesting and varied. As it stands - Dust is getting rather samey with nearly everyone running the same fits. I stopped playing eve to get away from the "one fit to rule them all", but I should have know better The following statement is true. The previous statement is false.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 798	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:06:00 - [4] - Quote +1 buff assaults
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 26	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:07:00 - [5] - Quote Assaults don't need a buff.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 165	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:07:00 - [6] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Tons of people are calling for CCP to nerf logi suits. That's just nonsensical. I haven't seen a single post bring up a valid way to nerf the logi suits without breaking them. (and before you guys say "hes just biased because he only uses logi suits" Actually..... I have three proto assault suits, and only 1 proto logi suit......). So rather then nerfing PG/CPU, or reducing damage, or taking away weapon availability. Why not just make it so that assault suits are better at slaying then logis???? One way or the other, an entire class of suits has to be changed. So rather then nerfing things and pissing people off, why not just buff things and make some people happy about it? The reason I think assaults should be buffed is because of the Calogi fiasco we had back in 1.0-1.1. Somebody posted a fit of their Calogi before and after the nerf it got. The fit was literally the exact same but instead of having a bunch of logi like equipment, there was just 1 nanohive. Which means........ it was still a slayer fit...... Same exact suit, just a little bit less health in shields (because of the nerf to shields it got). So what happens if CCP nerfs things to the logi suits? Well..... history shows that it actually damages logiing like behavior, so instead of nurfing logis, I think it would be better to just make assaults better at what they do. Give assault suits damage buffs to racial specific weapons, increase there CPU and PG so that they can use all those complex modules. (which would make sense considering its the same as a logi suit just without equipment slots). Make it so that its actually worth using assault suits, and stop talking all this nonsense about how "logis are OP" Buffing the calogi assault was a good start, but I don't personally believe it was enough because I know for a fact I see way more logi suits in PC battles then assaults. So yeah..... that's just my take on what should actually be done. IDK how you guys feel, and honestly it really doesn't concern me either way CCP decides to lean. I can get behind this. Same as the logis get up to 5 armor rep per sec, Assaults yould get up to +5% Damage in their racial weapons.
Ralden Caster Omega Elite Mercs INC. 0	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:08:00 - [7] - Quote This post needs some blue tape.
DEZKA DIABLO Commando Perkone Caldari State 61	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:24:00 - [8] - Quote As far as I'm concerned the assault players can wait their turn, heavies, camandos, scouts, have all stayed in a state of limbo for half a year, forced to either go logi or afk. Or spec inTo other things, weapons ect. An have had their whole skill tree destroyed. Things like shotguns , nova knives, faylocks, mass drivers and grenade spam were either broke with hit detection or they were too op. The scouts for example , the ones that went minmatar in uprising got about a month of the suit working well an spent the next 6 months in the dark due to the above problems plus scanners an speeds an turning an strafe speeds of other suits that two low slots an poor scanning isn't enough to get by that smart an not so stubborn scouts switched to gallente, an IMO that 6 month wait for 6 m of scan wasn't enough so people are sorely mistaken if they think scouts are done being worked on by ccp, fix the broken before you cater to the whinners they can wait just like everyone else. Plus with new rifles shooting 100 m assaults can stop being Cqc an fit from ridiculous range, so they can wait as far as I'm concerned
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 218	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:28:00 - [9] - Quote why people think CRAZY solution for EASY SOLVING PROBLEMS. Make mandatory the equip slot for a Logi fitting, like the weapon. If you go further, ONE (and only one) of them need to be the same Metalvl as the suit. BUM in one move we nerf BRICKDUAL tankers and don't **** on real logibros. Easy as breath ...and may the FORGE be with you.
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 1011	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:31:00 - [10] - Quote Not just the assault!! Heavies, scouts and lolmando's all need a tweak, par them with logi's in their own way. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans

True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4211	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:38:00 - [11] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Tons of people are calling for CCP to nerf logi suits. That's just nonsensical. I haven't seen a single post bring up a valid way to nerf the logi suits without breaking them. (and before you guys say "hes just biased because he only uses logi suits" Actually..... I have three proto assault suits, and only 1 proto logi suit......). So rather then nerfing PG/CPU, or reducing damage, or taking away weapon availability. Why not just make it so that assault suits are better at slaying then logis???? One way or the other, an entire class of suits has to be changed. So rather then nerfing things and pissing people off, why not just buff things and make some people happy about it? The reason I think assaults should be buffed is because of the Calogi fiasco we had back in 1.0-1.1. Somebody posted a fit of their Calogi before and after the nerf it got. The fit was literally the exact same but instead of having a bunch of logi like equipment, there was just 1 nanohive. Which means........ it was still a slayer fit...... Same exact suit, just a little bit less health in shields (because of the nerf to shields it got). So what happens if CCP nerfs things to the logi suits? Well..... history shows that it actually damages logiing like behavior, so instead of nurfing logis, I think it would be better to just make assaults better at what they do. Give assault suits damage buffs to racial specific weapons, increase there CPU and PG so that they can use all those complex modules. (which would make sense considering its the same as a logi suit just without equipment slots). Make it so that its actually worth using assault suits, and stop talking all this nonsense about how "logis are OP" Buffing the calogi assault was a good start, but I don't personally believe it was enough because I know for a fact I see way more logi suits in PC battles then assaults. So yeah..... that's just my take on what should actually be done. IDK how you guys feel, and honestly it really doesn't concern me either way CCP decides to lean. Most people don't want logis nerfed, they want them made niche role and different from assault. More often than not I have seen people calling for carbines, lighter higher RoF Rifles that impress the support role for the class but keep the CQC DPS high as possible. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Foxbat 071 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 36	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:41:00 - [12] - Quote lol@ assaults saying assaults aren't good enough and logis saying logis are just fine. *BLAP* ( X ) Call For Help ( O ) Respawn
Eris Ernaga State Patriots 732	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:45:00 - [13] - Quote The assaults need better base attributes for every stat besides CPU and PG the Minmitar assault has worse shield recharge/depleted delay then the logi and worse scanning precision. That is unacceptable also all assault suits need a slight bump to pg and cpu. State Patriots a loyal Caldari based corporation is accepting all Caldari and Amarr to help fight on the front.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 635	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:52:00 - [14] - Quote meanwhile in scoutville... but seriously i think both suits are fine. i have a guy in my corp i commonly call the God of DUST who runs a caldari assault and he's 100x better than any logi i've ever seen. why don't you just give assaults the passive armor regen? i have no idea why logis got that in the first place. and buff my scout while your at it. *tries to flank a group of enemies. YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Denchlad 7 Heavy Reign inc. Freek Alliance 18	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:55:00 - [15] - Quote Only change I would make to Assaults is more CPU and PG for complex modules. No slot changes. I'll be happy with that. -Flaylock Specialist. I even dual-wield it still. (GîÉGûá_Gûá) -Likes ramming a HMG up Gallentes rear end. -Pain in the arse
CAMille DANIELz planetary retaliation organisation 2	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:01:00 - [16] - Quote There should be a tactical advantage to using an assualt suit. The Logi suit should NOT be on-par, or even worse, better than the assualt in open conflict. This bonus needs to be TANGIBLE. Not +5% to *** sidearm ammo or +1% to fart speed. This also ties into shields being the piddle that they are now. Again I dont think the answer is to nerf the Logis. But they need a visit to the re-balancing table, as do assaults and scouts. The following statement is true. The previous statement is false.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1279	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:26:00 - [17] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: Only change I would make to Assaults is more CPU and PG for complex modules. No slot changes. I'll be happy with that. And it would make sense too. Its the same size suit as the logi suits, but it has less overall module slots tier for tier. So idk why it doesn't have as much CPU/PG as a logi at least. Marston VC, STB director
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 175	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:29:00 - [18] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Denchlad 7 wrote: Only change I would make to Assaults is more CPU and PG for complex modules. No slot changes. I'll be happy with that. And it would make sense too. Its the same size suit as the logi suits, but it has less overall module slots tier for tier. So idk why it doesn't have as much CPU/PG as a logi at least. Well i wouldnt, because as it is Logis COULD fit the SAME amount of slots than as An assault with Complex modules, only difference is they STILL have CPU and PG AND More slots.... CPU+PG is something assault need,but it wouldnt close the gap at all. Im telling you this because amarr assault Might fit all slots with Cx Stuff, and unless hes using laser weaponry, its NOTHING to the Amarr Logi, that has 2 more eq slots, 1 more Low slot, a 5Hp-sec repair bonus and More CPU.... >..>
CharCharOdell 1635	Posted - 2013.11.22 05:34:00 - [19] - Quote i agree Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 855	Posted - 2013.11.22 06:06:00 - [20] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Marston VC wrote: Denchlad 7 wrote: Only change I would make to Assaults is more CPU and PG for complex modules. No slot changes. I'll be happy with that. And it would make sense too. Its the same size suit as the logi suits, but it has less overall module slots tier for tier. So idk why it doesn't have as much CPU/PG as a logi at least. Well i wouldnt, because as it is Logis COULD fit the SAME amount of slots than as An assault with Complex modules, only difference is they STILL have CPU and PG AND More slots.... CPU+PG is something assault need,but it wouldnt close the gap at all. Im telling you this because amarr assault Might fit all slots with Cx Stuff, and unless hes using laser weaponry, its NOTHING to the Amarr Logi, that has 2 more eq slots, 1 more Low slot, a 5Hp-sec repair bonus and More CPU.... >..> Do you have both the Amarr Assault and Logi? I do. The Assault is FAR better at dealing damage and much more mobile, while the Logi is FAR better at taking damage and using equipment. These two are balanced with each other very well. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.

George Moros Area 514 187	Posted - 2013.11.22 06:09:00 - [21] - Quote @OP: How is nerfing logi's CPU/PG while giving them a bonus to fitting equipment, breaking logi dropsuits? Practically every suggestion I read concerning CPU/PG nerf, also said that it should go along with equipment fitting bonus. Why do you think assaults need a buff? Their usage on the battlefield is paling due to increased domination of scouts and heavies? Stop acting like the only dropsuits that exist in DUST are mediums. If you buff assaults, you'd have to buff every other dropsuit class in the game. So, basically, you're suggesting that it would be easier to buff everything, than to nerf the logi. Doesn't make much sense to me. Pulvereus ergo queritor.
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 465	Posted - 2013.11.22 06:48:00 - [22] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: Only change I would make to Assaults is more CPU and PG for complex modules. No slot changes. I'll be happy with that. nice i want 1405pg so i can fit a good fkn nanohive.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4673	Posted - 2013.11.22 06:56:00 - [23] - Quote Nerf the logi by buffing everyone (including the logi) Never forget Level 4 Forum Warrior King of airborne swine.
Assert Dominance Ahrendee's Wafflehouse 473	Posted - 2013.11.22 07:05:00 - [24] - Quote All equipment slots filled or invalid fitting forces logiing like behavior, dont like it go assault. which is how it should be. Better then the current, tempt logis to be super assaults abusing the extra cpu and pg they get for their slots is silly. I eat blue waffles when i proto stomp.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4673	Posted - 2013.11.22 07:11:00 - [25] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: All equipment slots filled or invalid fitting forces logiing like behavior, dont like it go assault. which is how it should be. Better then the current, tempt logis to be super assaults abusing the extra cpu and pg they get for their slots is silly. Nothing is stopping someone from filling their equipment with easy-to-fit cheap standard modules. Before anyone says "at least it's something"... 30% HP revive / slow armor rep / insta-popping nanohives / worthless scanner Never forget Level 4 Forum Warrior King of airborne swine.
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 41	Posted - 2013.11.22 07:17:00 - [26] - Quote Give assaults 2 equipment only on the proto varients of each race and i would say thats perfect. Nanohive and nanite FTW! Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
Cosgar ParagonX 8001	Posted - 2013.11.22 08:03:00 - [27] - Quote If logis do get nerfed, how long before everyone wants to burn assaults at the stake? I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Dagger-Two Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords 141	Posted - 2013.11.22 08:06:00 - [28] - Quote I think a lot of the issues stem from the idea of people picking up Proto logi suits, not filling ANY equipment, and using the greater CPU/PG of the suit to fit a lot more tank and damage, quickly outclassing the assault suits. One way to fix this without destroying the class, would be to give it a set role-bonus for the PG/CPU usage of equipment (lets say, 50% for the hell of it) but cutting the base CPU and PG to assault levels or maybe even a bit lower. Now, all equipment you fit to the suit gets its PG and CPU usage cut in half, so you still have room to fit a weapon and mods. Equipment-oriented Logi suits would be more effective that before, while the 'assault' logi would be less effective. To cap it all off, give the Logi bonuses to help its role: 5% bonus per level to equipment effectiveness and something racially flavored.
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 41	Posted - 2013.11.22 08:09:00 - [29] - Quote CCP could make it so the logi fit is unvalid unless you have all equipment filled Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 331	Posted - 2013.11.22 08:12:00 - [30] - Quote I don't exactly agree with the term buff. Give them something that pertains to their weapon like the Amarr assault(5% per level to overheat). Gallente assault - AR bonus? Caldari assault - Rail rifle/sniper rifle bonus? etc.. Infamous Erich wrote: CCP could make it so the logi fit is unvalid unless you have all equipment filled That fixes nothing. I can still just run **** equipment and brick tank my logi suit like I already do ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| Losematar** Scout What is a signature?



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