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Commander Tzu
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.23 01:24:00 -
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I just used Aurum for boosters so it doesn't bother me. Also, if the modules won't work why do you want them? You would end up with a dropsuit that had a bunch of blue squares on it that did nothing, and I am sure if that happened just as many people (or maybe the same people) would be complaining because "I spent real life money for modules that gave bonuses, not worthless blue squares! Give me full dren set or I'll SUEEEEEEEE!!111!11!!!!eleven!!." |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5259
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Posted - 2013.11.23 01:49:00 -
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Sleepy Shadow wrote:And he can ask for whatever he wants but CCP is not obliged to comply if his request isnGÇÖt within reason. If he is asking for one dropsuit, that is not a BPO, then why shouldnGÇÖt CCP agree :D it is actually inferior as when he dies, he loses it. If itGÇÖs a BPO, then no it is not within reason as the suit is vastly superior to the BPO he loses. If he remains unreasonable, CCP can just refund him money and he cannot complain or dispute it again. Cash is final and the GÇ£debtGÇ¥ is settled.
I donGÇÖt know much about PLEX (I donGÇÖt play EVE) but the item seems GÇ£either orGÇ¥. Either you use it to extend your subscription to EVE or you use it as a token to receive in game items. Now, again, I donGÇÖt know how EVE works. Can your BPOGÇÖs be stolen? And I thought there was only one BPO ship, or am I wrong? If the item was not sold as permanent (meaning no matter what you do you cannot lose it) the no, you donGÇÖt have any grounds to demand compensation if you lose it.
I donGÇÖt know how CCP introduced the new feature to the PLEX so I cannot say if players had any grounds to demand a refund. And in what circumstance did they demand a refund anyway? After losing the ship? Or after using their PLEX to get in game items only to notice they couldnGÇÖt use it to a subscription?
Your first paragraph:
Yes, the dropsuit item he is requesting as compensation is a BPO according to the Dust 514 "Recruit Your Friends" page:
Recruits/Permanent Item Rewarded/Skill Booster Rewarded
1 Staff Recruiter Assault Dropsuit Staff Recruiter Active Booster (1-day)
2 Staff Recruiter Assault Rifle Staff Recruiter Active Booster (1-day)
3 Staff Recruiter Scrambler Pistol Staff Recruiter Active Booster (1-day)
4 Staff Recruiter Sniper Rifle Staff Recruiter Active Booster (1-day)
5 Staff Recruiter Laser Rifle Staff Recruiter Active Booster (3-day)
10 Senior Recruiter Assault C-I Dropsuit Senior Recruiter Active Booster (7-day)
25 Senior Recruiter Light Assault Vehicle Senior Recruiter Active Booster (15-day)
50 Master Recruiter Assault C-II Dropsuit Master Recruiter Active Booster (30-day)
Your second Paragraph:
Technically, there are BPOs in Eve Online, but they only cost ISK as they are not AURUM items. But they do have a material requirement in order to use it. They are permanent in the context of having unlimited production use. However, they can be...
A) Destroyed if stored in the cargo hold of the ship that is destroyed in battle (I can attack you without provocation).
B) Stolen from you (theft within Eve Online is perfectly legal).
C) Swindled from you by a scammer (scamming is perfectly legal within Eve Online as well)
The same can be said for the PLEX items. However, the PLEX items require cash in order to be injected into the in-game market where it can either be A) traded away for more ISK or B) redeemed within the game for game time. Also, PLEX is not a permanent item. It can change hands an infinite amount of times during trade, but it can only be redeemed once for 30 days of game time by the last person who received it. And unlike the BPOs in Dust, the PLEX in Eve don't have a middle man. They can be bought directly from CCP but you can also find them in Amazon I believe.
Your third paragraph:
Only after losing the ship did some of them tried to demand a refund. But the only people who demanded such refunds were players who were completely new to the game and the concept behind PLEX. After a while, they gave up trying after realizing it was their fault as players for not being careful with them in a universe full of egomaniacs, sociopaths, masochists, sadists, and even corporate spies and outlaws. Hauling PLEX in a ship unfit to survive a short attack in high-sec space filled with such players is like parking your Rolls Royce in the hood. Don't expect anyone to NOT do anything.
Oh, just so you know, scamming, corporate theft, espionage, and all that fun stuff is already legal here in Dust. Once player-to-player trading is introduced to Dust, I expect a lot of players to pump out tears when they realized they sold their most prized possessions to another player for just 0.01 ISK. Just like how it happens in Eve. But that will probably be a year from now.
A TL;DR on How Plex Works:
Player A ($$$)----> CCP
CCP (PLEX)----> Player A
Player A (Trades PLEX)----> Player B
-Or
-Player A (Redeems PLEX)----> 30 day game time
-Or
-Player A (Converts PLEX)----> "X" amount of AURUM
-AURUM is used to purchase "permanent" vanity items (ie: a monocle).
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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xLuca Brasi
DUST University
Ivy League
23
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:12:00 -
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bump because reasons
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Meeko Fent
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
1669
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:29:00 -
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CCP Frame wrote:In regards to BPOs: we are removing and refunding a few specific AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore. We have no plans for the immediate future to touch other blueprints.
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4800 AUR Militia 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint
4800 AUR Militia Shield Regenerator Blueprint
4800 AUR Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier
4800 AUR Militia Power Diagnostic System Blueprint
Yeah... I think most everybody completely forget to read that bit right there.
Refunding a few AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5261
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:35:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:CCP Frame wrote:In regards to BPOs: we are removing and refunding a few specific AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore. We have no plans for the immediate future to touch other blueprints.
[...]
4800 AUR Militia 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint
4800 AUR Militia Shield Regenerator Blueprint
4800 AUR Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier
4800 AUR Militia Power Diagnostic System Blueprint
Yeah... I think most everybody completely forget to read that bit right there.
But I still have my bpo cardiac stimulant from long ago.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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xLuca Brasi
DUST University
Ivy League
30
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Posted - 2013.11.23 05:28:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:CCP Frame wrote:In regards to BPOs: we are removing and refunding a few specific AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore. We have no plans for the immediate future to touch other blueprints.
[...]
4800 AUR Militia 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint
4800 AUR Militia Shield Regenerator Blueprint
4800 AUR Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier
4800 AUR Militia Power Diagnostic System Blueprint
Yeah... I think most everybody completely forget to read that bit right there. But I still have my bpo cardiac stimulant from long ago.
meeko we read it...
they chose to make them useless.
it wasn't the only choice, they are doing this to get rid of our bpo's under the guise of changes for balance.
and seriously you really think these changes are gonna be the last ones?
you think dust is gonna run smoothly after this?
what part of this are you not getting?
this opens the door to remove all our bpo's
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Sleepy Shadow
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
84
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Posted - 2013.11.23 08:24:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Yes, the dropsuit item he is requesting as compensation is a BPO according to the Dust 514 "Recruit Your Friends" page:
Your third paragraph:
Only after losing the ship did some of them tried to demand a refund. But the only people who demanded such refunds were players who were completely new to the game and the concept behind PLEX. After a while, they gave up trying after realizing it was their fault as players for not being careful with them in a universe full of egomaniacs, sociopaths, masochists, sadists, and even corporate spies and outlaws. Hauling PLEX in a ship unfit to survive a short attack in high-sec space filled with such players is like parking your Rolls Royce in the hood. Don't expect anyone to NOT do anything.
Oh, just so you know, scamming, corporate theft, espionage, and all that fun stuff is already legal here in Dust. Once player-to-player trading is introduced to Dust, I expect a lot of players to pump out tears when they realized they sold their most prized possessions to another player for just 0.01 ISK. Just like how it happens in Eve. But that will probably be a year from now.
Then it cannot be considered reasonable and he is not entitled to it. He can kick and scream until his lungs fall out, but CCP is not obliged to give him that item in return. CCP can, if they deem his business worthy, but I doubt thatGÇÖll ever happen. They seem to hate BPOGÇÖs at the moment and giving someone more of them doesnGÇÖt sound like something theyGÇÖd do.
Corporation cannot be held liable for everything (at least in Europe, US still kinda freaks me out with the mad law suits) and consumers have responsibility too. If CCP has made it clear what the world of New Eden is like (everything you mentioned) it is consumers responsibility to read everything carefully before spending any money.
The situation with our BPOGÇÖs and EVEGÇÖs PLEX shenanigans is different because the party that sold us the BPOGÇÖs is removing them. In EVE players lost their stuff to other players by making stupid decisions. CCP is not responsible for that, so long as it has made it clear to new players it is perfectly possible to lose everything you have in game. If CCP itself had removed those items you got with PLEX then they would be liable to refund.
It is going to be interesting when we get the player market. I would love to get my hands on some items but I think, at least in the beginning, I will only trade with my corp mates and friends (yes, IGÇÖm a coward). And I want vanity items for DUST!! CCP come on, make these and I will throw money at you!
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SgtDoughnut
Red Star Jr.
EoN.
410
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Posted - 2013.11.23 08:26:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:UPDATED As of 23 Nov 2013 @ 01:56 Eve Time Behold, a sensible discussion on the topic truly begins here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1521167#post1521167UPDATED As of 21 Nov 2013 @ 19:16 Eve Time I just remembered. I still have the BPO of the Yellow Stamina Mod known as the Cardiac Stimulant. It use to have an ISK equivalent back then, but then that ISK variant got removed because it later became obsolete due to the Green Stamina Mod you all know as the Cardiac Regulator. But I still have the BPO. On top of that, it still has the same exact stats as before and I can still fit it if I want. Interesting how the plot thickens.
Thats not plot thicken thats CCP is too lazy to change the item id. |
Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
131
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Posted - 2013.11.23 10:36:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:As you can see people, this is the point I'm trying to make. You only purchased these BPOs with AUR. The AUR is what you spent your real money on. You're getting that AUR (all of it) back. Therefore, this whole thing is being overblown with threats of lawsuits and stuff like that.
But of course, this still doesn't excuse why CCP went back on their word of never touching our BPOs in our inventory. Then again, they go back on a lot of things.
Technically, they did go against their word, but in the EULA, it states that they can update the game (among other things.) Technically, they can change it without notice. At least they tell us, you know?
I am the Horseless Headsman.
Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
Renegade Alliance
3876
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Posted - 2013.11.23 10:50:00 -
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So, let me get this straight
We're advocating that items that no longer exist on either ISK or Aurum markets remain in game despite being a legacy item that is no longer compatible with the game..?
That's like saying that you want to keep a Motorolla Razor when your cell phone provider offers to buy it off you, cash in hand, under the stipulation that the phone will no longer work after a certain date.
So they went back on the word - that's what happens in game design. Hell, it's what happens in -all- creative design worlds. It changes so rapidly that most people can't keep up. There's a player who's part of our community who dropped out of college for Game Design because Astrophysics was easier. Just saying.
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Moonracer2000
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
692
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Posted - 2013.11.23 12:09:00 -
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I've been away so this is all new to me. It is an interesting situation/discussion.
Personally, my only complain is that my only incentive to buy AUR (besides supporting the game) was to buy BPOs. I'm not interested in subscriptions games or real money consumables. BPOs seemed like a nice middle ground. Sure it makes sense to remove BPOs that are no longer part of the game and refund players with AUR. The only problem is that there are no BPOs to purchase with that AUR since that part of the market has apparently been phased out.
I'm less worried about the legality of the situation than I am of customer satisfaction. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5265
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Posted - 2013.11.23 17:32:00 -
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Moonracer2000 wrote:I've been away so this is all new to me. It is an interesting situation/discussion.
Personally, my only complain is that my only incentive to buy AUR (besides supporting the game) was to buy BPOs. I'm not interested in subscriptions games or real money consumables. BPOs seemed like a nice middle ground. Sure it makes sense to remove BPOs that are no longer part of the game and refund players with AUR. The only problem is that there are no BPOs to purchase with that AUR since that part of the market has apparently been phased out.
I'm less worried about the legality of the situation than I am of customer satisfaction.
Well, there are technically other things offered for AUR such as the consumable AUR modules, suits, weapons, and vehicles as well as implants such as (passive/active) boosters. But as Sleepy and I pointed out pointed out early, what's considered "interesting" for a player to spend that AUR on is subjective. You might like the AUR modules, but not the boosters. You might like the boosters but not the rest. You might hate both as well.
NOTE:
Source:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=116191&find=unread
FoxFour wrote:
All Dem Aurum Items
So, you know how you can go to the market and buy Aurum variations of weapons and equipment? For the most part the only difference between these items and their ISK counterparts is that they have lower skill requirements. Pay Aurum, get into stuff with less skill points. Well it turns out this creates a really tricky thing to balance, and we don't want to have any pay-to-win issues. With that in mind why not make all those Aurum variants available in the loyalty store as well? So we did. It turns out it makes our lives a lot easier, gives you guys a whole lot of stuff to get from the loyalty store, and is just awesome all around.
I am not going to go and list every Aurum item that will be in the loyalty store because that's a LONG list. I will however give you a brief breakdown of how those items will be distributed:
[insert spreadsheet here]
As you can see, the AUR modules, suits, weapons, etc. are being made available as LP items in the incoming Factional Warfare overhaul. I'm not sure if that means the AUR items in the current market will be removed and just converted into LP items or if the AUR items will remain while their LP counterparts will come in as a source for non-paying players. It remains to be seen which route they'll take, but if they go for the former then that means you AUR selection will be limited to just boosters once Factional Warfare overhaul arrives. But if they go for the latter, then you're good.
What do you think?
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5265
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Posted - 2013.11.23 18:13:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:and seriously you really think these changes are gonna be the last ones?
you think dust is gonna run smoothly after this?
First question,
I'm hopeful that they keep to their word this time. But as I said earlier they tend to go back on their word every now and then. Therefore I'll just have to wait and see what they do next.
Second question,
In terms of no more BPOs being injected into the market, yes. I'm a marketeer in Eve Online and I have spent countless months trying to analyze exactly how the Dust BPOs would best be incorporated into the incoming market without having a major impact on either Eve or Dust's future industry. So far, my observation has led me to conclude that the BPOs won't hurt the market much as long as two factors are taken into consideration:
1. The BPOs remain nothing more as militia level items.
2. No more BPOs are injected into the market via further purchases from CCP.
This will become no different than the Tech II BPOs of Eve Online which are no longer available to acquire but still owned and traded by the extremely few players who own them or knows someone who does own them.
In terms of the total removal of all BPOs even from our inventory, I still say yes from a technical standpoint. However, this is a bad idea as you and everyone else can clearly see. The players will not be happy and many more people will leave the game and ultimately the game will truly be dead because of it. So, the total removal of the BPOs is NOT in the best interest of either CCP or the players so I advise CCP to please consider leaving the rest of the BPOs alone. And considering that some of the BPOs we have have been acquired via the merc packs such as the 'Toxin' weapons, Templar suits, etc., I don't see CCP even trying considering the extremely complicated nature of doing so.
It's still possible, but extremely unlikely.
For those of you not in the know about Eve Online's Tech II BPOs, let me give you a run down.
In Eve Online, there are two types of blueprints: BPOs and BPCs (originals and copies respectively). BPOs were only purchasable via ISK from the NPCs. The BPOs have unlimited production runs but they require materials to produce and they only produce Tech 1 items (equal to your STD items in Dust). The BPCs on the other hand are the same thing, except they have a limited production run and once that runs out the BPC will expire and you have to purchase a replacement. However, the BPCs have something the BPOs don't have: Efficiency.
BPCs are extracted from BPOs as copies of the BPOs and then those copies are put through special facilities where they get researched to become more efficient in terms of production time and material requirements. The higher the Manufacturing Level, for example, the lower the material requirements. The same thing for the Production Level of the copies. Their ISK value in the secondary market is directly proportional to this factors.
At one point early on in Eve's development, Tech 2 level BPOs which are equal to your advanced-level items in Dust were once introduced by CCP as special limited time only items. If I recall correctly, they were only made available via a lottery. Those lucky few to have them were given immense power. These BPOs offered two things that no other BPOs had: their ability to create T2 items directly and their status as novelty items that offered financial power.
But then CCP realized that was a mistake they made. They didn't want to take them away since the players earned them fair and sqaure, so they introduced a process to alleviate the problem called "invention".
Invention is a very special process that allows players who don't own the T2 BPOs by taking an existing T1 BPO and making it go through an extensive process to create a T2 BPC (limited-run copy). However, these facilities in Eve Online can only be made available by Eve players and these facilities are created, maintained, and controlled by players only. This allowed players to compete with the T2 BPO owners.
The economy so far has suffered no negative impact since then, but the T2-BPO owners are still in very powerful positions because of these T2 BPOs.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:11:00 -
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Still don't get the bitching, the four modules being removed are not being removed because they are BPOs, but because they do not fit with the 1.7 patch. You know what, if people are that mad about it, CCP, let them have the BPO that just sits in their inventory that cannot be used. There, you get to keep it :)
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5266
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:57:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Still don't get the bitching, the four modules being removed are not being removed because they are BPOs, but because they do not fit with the 1.7 patch. You know what, if people are that mad about it, CCP, let them have the BPO that just sits in their inventory that cannot be used. There, you get to keep it :)
That's what gets me. I can't seem to understand how they don't work in 1.7. I'm not a vehicle pilot so I wouldn't know and therefore I need someone who is well versed in it to explain it to me.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Pvt Numnutz
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
294
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:07:00 -
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When logibro said they weren't going to be removing peoples bpos he was referring to his comment about CCP thinking bpos were not working as intended. CCP frame was talking about how the mods won't exist and the specific bpos for those mods are going too, with aur being refunded. Two separate statements. |
NomaDz 2K
DUTY FR33
77
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Posted - 2013.11.23 22:55:00 -
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DUST 514 Player 12345678914
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
566
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:04:00 -
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Moonracer2000 wrote:I've been away so this is all new to me. It is an interesting situation/discussion.
Personally, my only complain is that my only incentive to buy AUR (besides supporting the game) was to buy BPOs. I'm not interested in subscriptions games or real money consumables. BPOs seemed like a nice middle ground. Sure it makes sense to remove BPOs that are no longer part of the game and refund players with AUR. The only problem is that there are no BPOs to purchase with that AUR since that part of the market has apparently been phased out.
I'm less worried about the legality of the situation than I am of customer satisfaction. I think this captures it.
An AUR refund for an infinite use item where there is no new equivalent is not a refund.
The fact that this all cost cash in the first place makes it feel pretty dodgy. |
xLuca Brasi
DUST University
Ivy League
64
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:29:00 -
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DUST 514 Player 12345678914 wrote:Moonracer2000 wrote:I've been away so this is all new to me. It is an interesting situation/discussion.
Personally, my only complain is that my only incentive to buy AUR (besides supporting the game) was to buy BPOs. I'm not interested in subscriptions games or real money consumables. BPOs seemed like a nice middle ground. Sure it makes sense to remove BPOs that are no longer part of the game and refund players with AUR. The only problem is that there are no BPOs to purchase with that AUR since that part of the market has apparently been phased out.
I'm less worried about the legality of the situation than I am of customer satisfaction. I think this captures it. An AUR refund for an infinite use item where there is no new equivalent is not a refund. The fact that this all cost cash in the first place makes it feel pretty dodgy.
agreed
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5269
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Posted - 2013.11.24 00:03:00 -
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This still doesn't answer my question on how the BPOs being removed won't work in 1.7.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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NomaDz 2K
DUTY FR33
78
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Posted - 2013.11.24 00:48:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:are you sure there isnt some precedence for this ?
it looks like when you buy aur you are not in fact buying aur buy exchanging real time money for a virtual currency ...then you spend that virtual currency for virtual items in game to technically if ccp takes bpo's they are stealing from us..we exchanged our currency for aur which is just an ingame virtual currency ..then we purchased these bpos.
we spent real money on those bpos doesnt matter if they were purchased in psn store or dust in game store
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5270
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:21:00 -
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NomaDz 2K wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:are you sure there isnt some precedence for this ?
it looks like when you buy aur you are not in fact buying aur buy exchanging real time money for a virtual currency ...then you spend that virtual currency for virtual items in game to technically if ccp takes bpo's they are stealing from us..we exchanged our currency for aur which is just an ingame virtual currency ..then we purchased these bpos.
we spent real money on those bpos doesnt matter if they were purchased in psn store or dust in game store ^THIS
Again, you never purchased the BPOs with cash directly. You purchased the aurum first in order to get the BPOs.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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xLuca Brasi
DUST University
Ivy League
85
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:25:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:NomaDz 2K wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:are you sure there isnt some precedence for this ?
it looks like when you buy aur you are not in fact buying aur buy exchanging real time money for a virtual currency ...then you spend that virtual currency for virtual items in game to technically if ccp takes bpo's they are stealing from us..we exchanged our currency for aur which is just an ingame virtual currency ..then we purchased these bpos.
we spent real money on those bpos doesnt matter if they were purchased in psn store or dust in game store ^THIS Again, you never purchased the BPOs with cash directly. You purchased the aurum first in order to get the BPOs.
and the aur I bought with permanent items on the market is worth more than the aur they are giving me now with a market that has no permanent items.
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
1358
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:05:00 -
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CCP wrote:We say a lot of things.
Cheeseburgers.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5271
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Posted - 2013.11.24 07:13:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:NomaDz 2K wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:are you sure there isnt some precedence for this ?
it looks like when you buy aur you are not in fact buying aur buy exchanging real time money for a virtual currency ...then you spend that virtual currency for virtual items in game to technically if ccp takes bpo's they are stealing from us..we exchanged our currency for aur which is just an ingame virtual currency ..then we purchased these bpos.
we spent real money on those bpos doesnt matter if they were purchased in psn store or dust in game store ^THIS Again, you never purchased the BPOs with cash directly. You purchased the aurum first in order to get the BPOs. and the aur I bought with permanent items on the market is worth more than the aur they are giving me now with a market that has no permanent items.
I don't think English is your primary language judging by your post.
Are you telling me that the aurum you're getting back is not the same amount of aurum you bought originally?
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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xLuca Brasi
DUST University
Ivy League
95
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Posted - 2013.11.24 07:36:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:NomaDz 2K wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:are you sure there isnt some precedence for this ?
it looks like when you buy aur you are not in fact buying aur buy exchanging real time money for a virtual currency ...then you spend that virtual currency for virtual items in game to technically if ccp takes bpo's they are stealing from us..we exchanged our currency for aur which is just an ingame virtual currency ..then we purchased these bpos.
we spent real money on those bpos doesnt matter if they were purchased in psn store or dust in game store ^THIS Again, you never purchased the BPOs with cash directly. You purchased the aurum first in order to get the BPOs. and the aur I bought with permanent items on the market is worth more than the aur they are giving me now with a market that has no permanent items. I don't think English is your primary language judging by your post. Are you telling me that the aurum you're getting back is not the same amount of aurum you bought originally?
lol...I wonder if English is yours since you still don't know who's alt this is....
its the same amount , 4800
but 4800 aur in a market without permanent items for sale is not woth as much as 4800 aur in a market WITH permanent items for sale.
when I bought my aur I was able to buy items of a higher value than I can now.
all the items on the market now can be lost an item that can be lost isn't worth as much as an item that CAN'T be lost.
would you pay 4800 aur for 1 aur proto suit?
so since I cant get permanent items anymore:
1.my reason for buying the aur no longer exists
2. the value of the items on the market for aur are worth less making the aur less desirable making it worth less than it was when permanent items existed.
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Jason Pearson
3121
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Posted - 2013.11.24 08:13:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Still don't get the bitching, the four modules being removed are not being removed because they are BPOs, but because they do not fit with the 1.7 patch. You know what, if people are that mad about it, CCP, let them have the BPO that just sits in their inventory that cannot be used. There, you get to keep it :) That's what gets me. I can't seem to understand how they don't work in 1.7. I'm not a vehicle pilot so I wouldn't know and therefore I need someone who is well versed in it to explain it to me.
I need to read through the Vehicle Modules coming out of 1.7 but here's my first guesses
- Militia 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint
Militia Plates that had too much PG to be used properly anyways, obviously doesn't fit in any more with what we have (might be removing 180mm plates?) We still have the 60 and 120mm iirc
- Militia Shield Regenerator Blueprint
Nobody uses regenerators in the first place, and with the increased regen for 1.7 I'm guessing they're removing every regenerator.
- Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier
Okay, I use this on a Gunnlogi BPO fit (Costs me for the Turrets and the Hull, it's dumb.) but again it's quite possible they're removing them all.
- Militia Power Diagnostic System Blueprint
Seriously, did anyone use this? I mean be honest, again possible that the Diagnostic Modules are being removed.
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire
Only 120 Characters? Aww ¬_¬
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Sleepy Shadow
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
84
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Posted - 2013.11.24 10:59:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:NomaDz 2K wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:are you sure there isnt some precedence for this ?
it looks like when you buy aur you are not in fact buying aur buy exchanging real time money for a virtual currency ...then you spend that virtual currency for virtual items in game to technically if ccp takes bpo's they are stealing from us..we exchanged our currency for aur which is just an ingame virtual currency ..then we purchased these bpos.
we spent real money on those bpos doesnt matter if they were purchased in psn store or dust in game store ^THIS Again, you never purchased the BPOs with cash directly. You purchased the aurum first in order to get the BPOs.
Didn't I cover this quite extensively?
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
919
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Posted - 2013.11.24 11:15:00 -
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Nobody owns any BPOs anyway. We are all just leasing them from CCP until CCP takes them back (which they can do whenever they want, with or without warning). The magic of DRM, folks. You can't buy digital goods, only lease them, usually forever (but there are exceptions).
Eventually, Tranquillity will shut down and what then? Will you expect CCP to refund all the money you spent on Dust/EVE?
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The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
REMOVE ALL BPOs
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Sleepy Shadow
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
84
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Posted - 2013.11.24 11:50:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Nobody owns any BPOs anyway. We are all just leasing them from CCP until CCP takes them back (which they can do whenever they want, with or without warning). The magic of DRM, folks. You can't buy digital goods, only lease them, usually forever (but there are exceptions).
Eventually, Tranquillity will shut down and what then? Will you expect CCP to refund all the money you spent on Dust/EVE?
It makes no difference if itGÇÖs let or owned. BPOGÇÖs were let indefinitely, so if they are removed the contract is breached and CCP is liable to compensate. CCP can do whatever they want with the BPOGÇÖs, or any item in game, but it does not remove their liability to those who paid for them.
And discontinuing the development and support of a game is vastly different from just removing items from it.
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