DUST Search - 1.7 - The Two Things that Matter Most

Tiny Pineapple wrote:

Korvin Lomont wrote:

Koan Zalinto wrote:

Those two sets of weapons do need rebalancing. A range nerf would actually do wonders for both weapon balance with the other weapons. Granted I play a scout as well. With the hit detection as it is, those things rage vs my pistol forces the plasma cannon shots to be thrown. Granted i love it when people dont move out of the way of that thing ;)

If you look at the new Rifles there is more to do, right now all Assault Rifles (the existing and the upcaoming) have nearly the same damage output per second they only differ greatly in Range. CCP needs to give every type of Rifle a dedicated niche where it excels at the cost of other niches.

My Suggestion would be
GAR short range, high DPS (medium alpha, high rof)
CAR medium range, medium DPS (low alpha high to very high rof)
AsCR high range, medium to low DPS (medium alpha, medium rof)
RR very high range, low DPS (high slpha low rof)

We have:
GAR "short" range, high DPS
CAR Medium Range high DPS
AsCR high range, high DPS
RR very high range, medium to high DPS

Based on lore, Caldari have the highest range, then Amarr, then Minmatar and last comes Gallente.

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Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2338	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:00:00 - [1] - Quote 1) Nerf Assault Rifle 2) Nerf Scrambler Rifle Because weapon balance matters.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1133	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:02:00 - [2] - Quote What suit do you use? "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 627	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:04:00 - [3] - Quote 3) Full Skill Respec. i have put hours into planning my new skill tree, and if that **** was for nothing, then i'm going to be beyond pissed. *tries to flank a group of enemies. YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2338	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:13:00 - [4] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: What suit do you use? Scout
Cosgar ParagonX 7974	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:15:00 - [5] - Quote Translation: Shotty GoBang wrote: 1) Fix TTK 2) Buff scouts Because game balance matters. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Koan Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 39	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:18:00 - [6] - Quote Those two sets of weapons do need rebalancing. A range nerf would actually do wonders for both weapon balance with the other weapons. Granted I play a scout as well. With the hit detection as it is, those things rage vs my pistol forces the plasma cannon shots to be thrown. Granted i love it when people dont move out of the way of that thing ;) Two in the head boss? Two in the head...
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1134	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:21:00 - [7] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: What suit do you use? Scout Ohh lol another scout thinking he can go strait into the barrel of a gun and come out alive "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2338	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:23:00 - [8] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Translation: Shotty GoBang wrote: 1) Fix TTK 2) Buff scouts Because game balance matters. Yes, we Scouts have waited half a year for a balanced suit and unique role. But at this point in time, bringing these two overpowered weapons into balance is of higher priority.
Oswald Rehnquist 642	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:34:00 - [9] - Quote I'm thinking they are were what are going to be because the new rifles are balanced around the old rifles. I think our best bet is just going to be hope for cloaks as the equipment item and then depend on our suits precision/signature strength to prevail over other cloakers. You can't shoot what you can't see and you can't aim / shoot/ or take action until after a small decloaking period Below 28 dB
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 485	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:36:00 - [10] - Quote 0. The forums. With updates will come tears. Can you taste them? SAVE DUST 514; REMOVE SCRAMBLER PISTOLS

Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2338	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:38:00 - [11] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: What suit do you use? Scout Ohh lol another scout thinking he can go strait into the barrel of a gun and come out alive Is this best defense you can offer in support of these overtly over-powered weapons? Questioning my intellect? Ohh lol .. indeed.
Cosgar ParagonX 7974	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:41:00 - [12] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Cosgar wrote: Translation: Shotty GoBang wrote: 1) Fix TTK 2) Buff scouts Because game balance matters. Yes, we Scouts have waited half a year for a balanced suit and unique role. But at this point in time, bringing these two overpowered weapons into balance is of higher priority. 1.4 made everything short of plasma cannons OP. When a weapon's DPS comes close to or surpasses a proto suit's EHP in a high health, strafing FPS, something is wrong in the state of Reykjavik. Everything needs to be re-balanced. There's too many weapons that are way too good at all tiers, too many that are only good at prototype, and grenades are insane. You can't isolate the problem to just two weapons when the core of the game shifted from sorta Halo to CoD in two patches. This isn't beta anymore, we shouldn't have to put up with this. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2338	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:47:00 - [13] - Quote Cosgar wrote: 1.4 made everything short of plasma cannons OP. When a weapon's DPS comes close to or surpasses a proto suit's EHP in a high health, strafing FPS, something is wrong in the state of Reykjavik. Everything needs to be re-balanced. There's too many weapons that are way too good at all tiers, too many that are only good at prototype, and grenades are insane. You can't isolate the problem to just two weapons when the core of the game shifted from sorta Halo to CoD in two patches. This isn't beta anymore, we shouldn't have to put up with this. We can call into question theory and design, and debate all day long sound points therein ... But once said and done, the point remains ... No weapon performs on par with the AR and ScR.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 240	Posted - 2013.11.21 09:54:00 - [14] - Quote Koan Zalinto wrote: Those two sets of weapons do need rebalancing. A range nerf would actually do wonders for both weapon balance with the other weapons. Granted I play a scout as well. With the hit detection as it is, those things rage vs my pistol forces the plasma cannon shots to be thrown. Granted i love it when people dont move out of the way of that thing ;) If you look at the new Rifles there is more to do, right now all Assault Rifles (the existing and the upcaoming) have nearly the same damage output per second they only differ greatly in Range. CCP needs to give every type of Rifle a dedicated niche where it excels at the cost of other niches. My Suggestion would be GAR short range, high DPS (medium alpha, high rof) CAR medium range, medium DPS (low alpha high to very high rof) AsCR high range, medium to low DPS (medium alpha, medium rof) RR very high range, low DPS (high slpha low rof) We have: GAR "short" range, high DPS CAR Medium Range high DPS AsCR high range, high DPS RR very high range, medium to high DPS
The legend345 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 4241	Posted - 2013.11.21 10:20:00 - [15] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: 1) Nerf Assault Rifle 2) Nerf Scrambler Rifle Because weapon balance matters. its a fken vehicle update OMFG!!! NO LOVEEEEEE Tanker
Tiny Pineapple Army of 420's Lokun Listamenn 32	Posted - 2013.11.21 10:25:00 - [16] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Koan Zalinto wrote: Those two sets of weapons do need rebalancing. A range nerf would actually do wonders for both weapon balance with the other weapons. Granted I play a scout as well. With the hit detection as it is, those things rage vs my pistol forces the plasma cannon shots to be thrown. Granted i love it when people dont move out of the way of that thing ;) If you look at the new Rifles there is more to do, right now all Assault Rifles (the existing and the upcaoming) have nearly the same damage output per second they only differ greatly in Range. CCP needs to give every type of Rifle a dedicated niche where it excels at the cost of other niches. My Suggestion would be GAR short range, high DPS (medium alpha, high rof) CAR medium range, medium DPS (low alpha high to very high rof) AsCR high range, medium to low DPS (medium alpha, medium rof) RR very high range, low DPS (high slpha low rof) We have: GAR "short" range, high DPS CAR Medium Range high DPS AsCR high range, high DPS RR very high range, medium to high DPS Based on lore, Caldari have the highest range, then Amarr, then Minmatar and last comes Gallente.
Protected Void Endless Hatred 183	Posted - 2013.11.21 10:37:00 - [17] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: 1) Nerf Assault Rifle 2) Nerf Scrambler Rifle Because weapon balance matters. Nah. Ie: ARs, ScRs are definitely powerful, and if they're still as good compared to other weapons once the new rifles have seen some use, I agree they might have to get looked at sometime in the future. But it would have to be as a whole, seen in the light of the performance of the new rifles. Which we won't know anything about until the new year. Also, I daresay the SMG could need a look in the same balancing pass. In fact, I'm sure the nerf train will stop there after the ScR has been made useless, since most stuff I spec into get nerfed. I always spec into it before it becomes FOTM, by the way. I've been a scout since early open beta - I don't have to tell you about the serial nerfing that's been going on there. I specced into ScR and Flaylocks once they were released, since I liked their concepts and they're a good fit in terms of damage types. I now run ScR and SMGs, both of which are very likely to get nerfed. If that actually happens, I'm going to start accepting bribes for not speccing into specific weapons, to keep them un-nerfed :D
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 241	Posted - 2013.11.21 10:42:00 - [18] - Quote Tiny Pineapple wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Koan Zalinto wrote: Those two sets of weapons do need rebalancing. A range nerf would actually do wonders for both weapon balance with the other weapons. Granted I play a scout as well. With the hit detection as it is, those things rage vs my pistol forces the plasma cannon shots to be thrown. Granted i love it when people dont move out of the way of that thing ;) If you look at the new Rifles there is more to do, right now all Assault Rifles (the existing and the upcaoming) have nearly the same damage output per second they only differ greatly in Range. CCP needs to give every type of Rifle a dedicated niche where it excels at the cost of other niches. My Suggestion would be GAR short range, high DPS (medium alpha, high rof) CAR medium range, medium DPS (low alpha high to very high rof) AsCR high range, medium to low DPS (medium alpha, medium rof) RR very high range, low DPS (high slpha low rof) We have: GAR "short" range, high DPS CAR Medium Range high DPS AsCR high range, high DPS RR very high range, medium to high DPS Based on lore, Caldari have the highest range, then Amarr, then Minmatar and last comes Gallente. Yes thats why I made my suggestion to reflect that. RR(Caldari)>AsCR(Amarr), CAR(Minmatar) GAR(Gallente)
Rogue Saint Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 415	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:24:00 - [19] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i have put hours into planning my new skill tree, and if that **** was for nothing, then i'm going to be beyond pissed. Hahaha, you have put hours of your own time planning your new skill tree for an unconfirmed respec and if it does not happen you will be pissed? Seriously? I'm going to shoot myself in the foot today and if I miss I'm going to be sooo pissed. GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦
Joey-Number1 Maniacal Miners INC No Safe Haven 61	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:26:00 - [20] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: What suit do you use? Scout Ohh lol another scout thinking he can go strait into the barrel of a gun and come out alive Scout? I am using Minie Logistics at all times, having shield extenders on 5, skills that increase their effectiveness, kinetic catalizers on lvl 3, I am doing everything I can and still get OHK from duvolle, gek users, worse when they use full Weapon upgrades, to add more dmg to their stream of death, doesent help. You get into the fire, you re dead. Especially when there are no viable things to hide a bit behind. (Mass Driver user)

TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 634	Posted - 2013.11.21 23:54:00 - [21] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i have put hours into planning my new skill tree, and if that **** was for nothing, then i'm going to be beyond pissed. Hahaha, you have put hours of your own time planning your new skill tree for an unconfirmed respec and if it does not happen you will be pissed? Seriously? I'm going to shoot myself in the foot today and if I miss I'm going to be sooo pissed. no need for the condescending sarcasm. its quite frankly immature. and yes. i really will be pissed. we deserve a respec. what bad could possibly come from a respec? FotM? that's already pretty apparent now, in case you haven't noticed. what, there's going to be more FotM? who cares? those who aren't used to to having their abilities tested. because his suit is stronger than mine, it should be nerfed? no. i have a right to be pissed. CCP has broken and nerfed the scout time and time again. what about that long time of 1.4 through part of 1.6 where they completely broke my favorite weapon, the nova knives? what about how us scouts ask for a slight pg/cpu buff, just to even the ground with everyone else, but instead they give us a 6 meter increase to passive scan? don't come trying to put me down for actually putting time into this game and caring enough to not just get up and leave right now, because by all means, i have a right to. instead i've spent hundreds of dollars just to, if nothing else, help put food on ccp's tables. *tries to flank a group of enemies. YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 165	Posted - 2013.11.21 23:55:00 - [22] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: 1) Nerf Assault Rifle 2) Nerf Scrambler Rifle Because weapon balance matters. I respect you shotty,so i wont be too harsh. HTFU with nerf the SCR. Stop being a puss if a SCR user connects a CHARGED SCR shot on you you were doing it wrong. AGAIN I COULD HOWEVER , deal with a HIP-FIRE nerf on the SCR. I hate any scrub using it to srpray and pray....
Arirana Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 269	Posted - 2013.11.21 23:59:00 - [23] - Quote Respecs are pointless until all weapons are completely balanced AAAATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATA~ WOOOAAATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATA
Mdog 24158 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:08:00 - [24] - Quote I want that dang forgegun nerfed already decrease damage over range pls Flying derpships and scout shotgunning 24/7 quite fun i must say
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 26	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:11:00 - [25] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: 3) Full Skill Respec. i have put hours into planning my new skill tree, and if that **** was for nothing, then i'm going to be beyond pissed. Message from Godin: Scrub, just stop already
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 166	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:13:00 - [26] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: 3) Full Skill Respec. i have put hours into planning my new skill tree, and if that ** was for nothing, then i'm going to be beyond pissed. Message from Godin: Scrub, just stop already Message to Godin:**We do need Skill Respecs , even if you cant see that. And insulting players wont get you anywhere. A man that considers himself smart should already know this.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2350	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:13:00 - [27] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: I respect you shotty,so i wont be too harsh. HTFU with nerf the SCR. Stop being a puss if a SCR user connects a CHARGED SCR shot on you you were doing it wrong. No problem with charged shots. ACE OF JOKERS wrote: AGAIN I COULD HOWEVER , deal with a HIP-FIRE nerf on the SCR. I hate any scrub using it to srpray and pray.... Here's the problem.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 166	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:15:00 - [28] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: I respect you shotty,so i wont be too harsh. HTFU with nerf the SCR. Stop being a puss if a SCR user connects a CHARGED SCR shot on you you were doing it wrong. No problem with charged shots. ACE OF JOKERS wrote: AGAIN I COULD HOWEVER , deal with a HIP-FIRE nerf on the SCR. I hate any scrub using it to srpray and pray.... Here's the problem. Then please be more specific. I agree with you on the hip fire issue. (and i dont mind, i only use Charged shots + Aimed Headshots, More like a Tactical Sniper rifle) I dONT agree on a Alpha damage reduction.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 140	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:22:00 - [29] - Quote Dont get me started on the TacSnip. WOOHOO that thig is pretty good. Revistited him today. And good to see you Shotty. I do agree with this nonsense. Why do the Scramblers have such little dispersion? Hipfire to be exact. I run the ScR on my scout occassionally, and it is quite frankly, very good. Especially cqc, which it shouldnt be good in. The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 140	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:28:00 - [30] - Quote I belive the alpha damage should be reduced on the TacScram. Two reasons: 1. Reducing it will encourage the use of the Charge Abilty 2. It will discourage people from spamming hip fire. Also, decrease the heat cost of the charged shots, and make the damage max of the charge shot higher, further encouraging the use of the charge. The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.



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