Or you could stop trying to get logistic suits nerfed.

I don't understand how quick people are to jump to such radical "solutions". Instead of having CCP make new crappy weapons (would take like 6+ months seeing how long it takes CCP to add more weapons), just change the bonuses to reinforce the roles. Yes new weapons would be nice, but I don't want new weapons if they are by design inferior.

(Fix TTK first) give assaults 1% damage bonus per level as the general assault bonus. Doing more damage reinforces the role of the assault.
Give each assault bonuses to their specific race's weaponry. Minmatar could get explosive/projectile clip size, Amarr assault keeps laser bonus, Caldari could get more effective range for railgun weapons, etc.
Bam! now assaults are better at assaulting.

Give logi bonuses to equipment. General logi bonus should be PG/CPU reduction of equipment, and each logi could have a equipment related racial bonus.

More details here.

But you can ignore the bonuses and still get ridiculously good fits out of Logi's.... Logi's don't even have to play specialised roles.

We have no Engineer classes, we have no medic classes, we have not ECM classes, we have Super Assaults.

If assaults do more damage, and get bonuses to enhance their racial weapons, then I don't see how logis would be "Super Assaults". There would be no reason to use logis for assaulting if assaults are just plain better with a weapon. Example, would you rather use a laser or scrambler rifle with an Amarr logi? or Amarr assault?
Logis would still have less speed, less stamina, less base shields (meaning depending on how you use the extra low slot, they may have less HP than assaults), and less shield recharge. Also having no sidearm is a pretty big deal if you're using a weapon like the plasma cannon, swarm launcher, laser rifle, or sniper rifle.

The only benefit a logi would have is PG/CPU, and that extra low slot. Everything else would be better on assault suits when assaulting.

Adding assault bonuses that actually fit the role would certainly boost their usage over logis but I think the racial bonuses would have to be just right to make it happen. As such I would like to propose the following racial assault bonuses assuming the previously proposed 1%/level damage buff as part of the package:

Amarr - No change to the bonus. It works great as is.

Caldar - Option 1: +5% more optimal range per level (this would come out as being +2.5% at the high end of the optimal and +2.5% at the low end of the optimal giving it a broader kill zone per level).

Minmatar - +5% magazine capacity for projectile weapons per level (the side-arm bonus would be much neater in the hands of a scout) which would boost mag size for the flaylock, massdriver, SMG and the battle rifle

Gallente - +3% Rate of Fire on all blaster weapons per level. This would increase the ROF on a standard AR to 862.5 RPM at level 5 Gallente Assualt.

The Gallente bonus might seem over powered but I'm also proposing a change to the way barrel climb works on all projectile weapons with a (damage per round x .01)-¦ meaning that a duvolle would climb 21-¦ when firing the whole mag non-stop. This change should effect all weapons as it would add to fun/skill involved in shooting.

I will repost the suggested changes to barrel climb and assault suits separately since I think these ideas are worthy of the communities attention in treads devoted entirely to these topics.

The other day my squad and I were -- edited -> QQ Kittening about getting hammered by Logi Suits --
-- snip some more anti-logi QQ --
I just think people need to think outside the box a little more

The one that needs to think outside of the box is you, and your squad mates as well.

The player decides how they want to play. They choose the suit, skill into the functions they want to perform, choose the weapons and play the game.

Then QQ Kittens like you complain that others aren't thinking outside of the box because they are not in the box you want them restricted to.

Play the game, experiment and try something different. But beware, we will be watching you. If you have too much fun or your fit is better than some other randomly chosen variety we will QQ on these forums to have your specific game play restricted or, better yet, eliminated with no SP refund.


Quit with the QQ about others. Play your own game and as always, Welcome to DUST.

Im not QQing about logi suits. I dont really have more of a problem with them then I do with every other suit. I get my butt kicked by most every other player. Im just offering a solution to a problem that im seeing in the game that could be interesting and maybe make the game better.

Also, with regards to just giving bonuses to suits. Its a good idea and its easy but I think more needs to be done. If the only thing differentiating a specialist suit is its bonuses than thats just pathetic I think. Different suits should actually function and behave differently from each other. Not just have bonus to damage or some similar thing.

If its only about bonuses then it gets boring and every suit will be played pretty much the same. You could look at requiring logis to use a carbine as some kind of limitation or nerf to the class. Or you could look at it as making it unique and something that differentiates it from other suits.

What, someone giving constructive criticism in relation to the all important game balance and you mouth off! Get the feck out of here. These are the conversation s we need, not the usual qqing followed by what you're doing, counter qqing. Issues are there, and they need to be debated. Cop on and feck off if you've not constructive yourself.

Constructive criticism?

Hardly. The OP wants the class he doesn't run to be limited to less than they have now. So he suggested a list of weapons that will gank those he does not want to succeed, in good faith. Because he wants to succeed as an assault and by the gods if he gets to run an assault that can whip Logis neutered with puny weapons then those that want to assault will have to run the exact same suit he does. And they won't run Logis because they will be at a disadvantage. Logis are only for defense, don't ya know?

Exactly how is that constructive? It is restrictive and for others, while hiding it behind the guise of adding junk weapons that come a Nerf Hammer already applied, no waiting required! Wow, the generosity just amazes me. Well, the brazen level of BS does actually. The rest is just Logi OP QQ with the polarity reversed.

For my constructive criticism try this: Can it with trying to get others hammered down into the DUST. Learn how to play the game as it currently exists, QQ Kittens. Remember the advice from the CCP Mother Ship ... HTFU.

As for you OxHead, what do you mean Kitten? Give me a little decoding from the planet you were born on. What do 'cop on' and 'feck off' mean really. I would guess that feck off means **** off, no rocket science there. But what do the cops do in your town that having one cop on might mean something ... at all? My translation is simple, replace Kitten with the worst insult possible, in your town.


Welcome to DUST.

Constructive criticism?

Hardly. The OP wants the class he doesn't run to be limited to less than they have now. So he suggested a list of weapons that will gank those he does not want to succeed, in good faith. Because he wants to succeed as an assault and by the gods if he gets to run an assault that can whip Logis neutered with puny weapons then those that want to assault will have to run the exact same suit he does. And they won't run Logis because they will be at a disadvantage. Logis are only for defense, don't ya know?

Exactly how is that constructive? It is restrictive and for others, while hiding it behind the guise of adding junk weapons that come a Nerf Hammer already applied, no waiting required! Wow, the generosity just amazes me. Well, the brazen level of BS does actually. The rest is just Logi OP QQ with the polarity reversed.

For my constructive criticism try this: Can it with trying to get others hammered down into the DUST. Learn how to play the game as it currently exists, QQ Kittens. Remember the advice from the CCP Mother Ship ... HTFU.

As for you OxHead, what do you mean Kitten? Give me a little decoding from the planet you were born on. What do 'cop on' and 'feck off' mean really. I would guess that feck off means **** off, no rocket science there. But what do the cops do in your town that having one cop on might mean something ... at all? My translation is simple, replace Kitten with the worst insult possible, in your town.


Welcome to DUST.

Adding assault bonuses that actually fit the role would certainly boost their usage over logis but I think the racial bonuses would have to be just right to make it happen. As such I would like to propose the following racial assault bonuses assuming the previously proposed 1%/level damage buff as part of the package:

Amarr - No change to the bonus. It works great as is.

Caldar - Option 1: +5% more optimal range per level (this would come out as being +2.5% at the high end of the optimal and +2.5% at the low end of the optimal giving it a broader kill zone per level).

Minmatar - +5% magazine capacity for projectile weapons per level (the side-arm bonus would be much neater in the hands of a scout) which would boost mag size for the flaylock, massdriver, SMG and the battle rifle

Gallente - +3% Rate of Fire on all blaster weapons per level. This would increase the ROF on a standard AR to 862.5 RPM at level 5 Gallente Assualt.

The Gallente bonus might seem over powered but I'm also proposing a change to the way barrel climb works on all projectile weapons with a (damage per round x .01)-¦ meaning that a duvolle would climb 21-¦ when firing the whole mag non-stop. This change should effect all weapons as it would add to fun/skill involved in shooting.

I will repost the suggested changes to barrel climb and assault suits separately since I think these ideas are worthy of the communities attention in treads devoted entirely to these topics.

Technically you just ripped off IWS...but lets not talk about that.

Dat ROF bonus scares me.

I don't understand how quick people are to jump to such radical "solutions". Instead of having CCP make new crappy weapons (would take like 6+ months seeing how long it takes CCP to add more weapons), just change the bonuses to reinforce the roles. Yes new weapons would be nice, but I don't want new weapons if they are by design inferior.

(Fix TTK first) give assaults 1% damage bonus per level as the general assault bonus. Doing more damage reinforces the role of the assault.
Give each assault bonuses to their specific race's weaponry. Minmatar could get explosive/projectile clip size, Amarr assault keeps laser bonus, Caldari could get more effective range for railgun weapons, etc.
Bam! now assaults are better at assaulting.

Give logi bonuses to equipment. General logi bonus should be PG/CPU reduction of equipment, and each logi could have a equipment related racial bonus.

More details here.

The asssssault logistic caused the Cal logic suit to be nerfed. They wandered off to find the next FOTM leaving us support logis with a gimped suit. CCP is watching the assault logistic FOTM and will probably swing the hammer again. With people like you who relish the torment of others and to advance your own agenda shows the true nature of a merc.With that said I have to try and minimize this witch hunt so I can still be a support logi and help my sqaud /team; solution #235 logistic suits cannot fit damage mods but there should be a higher stacking penality and/ or increase in CPU/PG onthe use of damage mods. I am willing to make a sacrifice are you?

I know this isnt a popular idea

Their PG and CPU cant be lowered otherwise they cant fit equipment and decent modules. Slot count cant be lowered because then they would be pretty defenseless.

The problem with sidearm restriction is the lack of variety and the idea that they would be limited to pistols. But this can be easily remedied.

Introduce more weapons that fit in that slot. Iron Wolf Saber posted some weapon ideas that are tottaly realistic and would be awesome to use. Here Included in the list were Carbines. These are weapons that are not as powerful as an AR but are still effective and lets the logi maintain his combat ability albeit he wont be as killy as an assault.

The only problem is that now other classes could equip ARs and Carbines. But this is solved by the fact that a Carbine should cost almost as much as a Light weapon meaning that it would be stupid to fit both because then you wouldn't have room for shields and armor.