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ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 517	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:03:00 - [1] - Quote seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it. simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone. if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 905	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:05:00 - [2] - Quote bpo's are introductory items. the market is going to go live, so bpo's aren't effective anymore.
noob cavman A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 181	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:07:00 - [3] - Quote I love my raven suit. Soooo many fond memories of chromosome and my raven.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2437	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:08:00 - [4] - Quote low genius wrote: bpo's are introductory items. the market is going to go live, so bpo's aren't effective anymore. No, BPOs were marketing items to generate cash sales for CCP. They are actually MORE effective now than when they were sold due to the tiericide implemented since early Beta, and that's why CCP is having second thoughts about them.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5192	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:08:00 - [5] - Quote Nice fear mongering there. Too bad it won't work. CCP already said they won't do anything else with the rest of the BPOs. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 517	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:11:00 - [6] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Nice fear mongering there. Too bad it won't work. CCP already said they won't do anything else with the rest of the BPOs. ccp said they wont do anything with bpo's in inventory.... what are ccp doing again in 1.7.... removing some bpo's from inventory. its only been about 3 weeks since they said they were not going to do this and now they are doing it. think we cant take their word for it now after springing this on everyone. Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1751	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:12:00 - [7] - Quote Oh no, CCP is really going to be scared about you 'putting your foot down' because you want your unlimited supply of free items. In reality they're not going to be all that massively bothered by them because they're generally low level and everyone automatically gets 4 BPO starter fits anyway. And if it's that you're upset that you spent aur buying those thing, tahdah you get all that lovely aurum back! Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5192	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:12:00 - [8] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Nice fear mongering there. Too bad it won't work. CCP already said they won't do anything else with the rest of the BPOs. ccp said they wont do anything with bpo's in inventory.... what are ccp doing again in 1.7.... removing some bpo's from inventory. its only been about 3 weeks since they said they were not going to do this and now they are doing it. think we cant take their word for it now after springing this on everyone. At least they're refunding those BPOs at the marked-up AUR prices you see now. Keep in mind that back then BPOs use to cost only 50-100 AUR a piece. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5192	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:15:00 - [9] - Quote By the way, I still have the BPO for the Yellow Stamina mod which only gives bonus to stamina amount and that's it. All ISK variants and their cheap AUR variants were removed yet many of us who bought the BPO still have the BPO variant. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7849	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:17:00 - [10] - Quote I'm curious what happens to my Saga LAV BPO Read / Vid / Stream

ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 517	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:17:00 - [11] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Nice fear mongering there. Too bad it won't work. CCP already said they won't do anything else with the rest of the BPOs. ccp said they wont do anything with bpo's in inventory.... what are ccp doing again in 1.7.... removing some bpo's from inventory. its only been about 3 weeks since they said they were not going to do this and now they are doing it. think we cant take their word for it now after springing this on everyone. At least they're refunding those BPOs at the marked-up AUR prices you see now. Keep in mind that back then BPOs use to cost only 50-100 AUR a piece. yes and thats a whole other issue. ccp printing millions of aur into players hands. i paid full so thats not the issue for me. the issue is it starts with something little like this and next thing you know all bpo's are gone even the merc pack ones and the tester ones from beta. Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Terram Nenokal Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 230	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:18:00 - [12] - Quote BPOs are terrible for this game. It was an awful idea to have them in to begin with. Good riddance. Love, An owner of many BPOs.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 905	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:20:00 - [13] - Quote Skihids wrote: low genius wrote: bpo's are introductory items. the market is going to go live, so bpo's aren't effective anymore. No, BPOs were marketing items to generate cash sales for CCP. They are actually MORE effective now than when they were sold due to the tiericide implemented since early Beta, and that's why CCP is having second thoughts about them. understand that if they continue to exist they'll be a manufacturing item and not something you wear. in eve you don't have some 'infinite ship' that you can run around in.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 519	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:30:00 - [14] - Quote Terram Nenokal wrote: BPOs are terrible for this game. It was an awful idea to have them in to begin with. Good riddance. Love, An owner of many BPOs. more awful than aur proto gear. this is what gets me. people are more concerned with someone saving a few thousand isk per suit by fitting militia bpo's than they are about people who use adv/proto aur gear. people think bpo's are going to ruin the player market but who is going to buy militia gear from a player anyway. wait until people start buying aur weapons and selling them on the market for less than they are to manufacture normally. now thats going to be more of an impact on the player market than any militia bpo's. Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5194	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:33:00 - [15] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: ... next thing you know all bpo's are gone even the merc pack ones and the tester ones from beta. Which I'm sure they won't do considering the financial ramifications of doing so and how closed-beta vets will just profit too much from that. This is AURUM we're talking after all. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Terram Nenokal Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 231	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:36:00 - [16] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Terram Nenokal wrote: BPOs are terrible for this game. It was an awful idea to have them in to begin with. Good riddance. Love, An owner of many BPOs. more awful than aur proto gear. this is what gets me. people are more concerned with someone saving a few thousand isk per suit by fitting militia bpo's than they are about people who use adv/proto aur gear. people think bpo's are going to ruin the player market but who is going to buy militia gear from a player anyway. wait until people start buying aur weapons and selling them on the market for less than they are to manufacture normally. now thats going to be more of an impact on the player market than any militia bpo's. Correct me if I'm wrong... Your argument is that BPOs should stay in game... because AUR items are even worse?
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 109	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:53:00 - [17] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it. simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone. if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. Sooo.... by your logic, in order to get rid of all BPOs, CCP just has to significantly change how that base item works. Sounds simple enough until you realize that you are implying CCP would have to pretty much change the entire game to get rid of ALL BPOs... Sorry as the resident AR OP, Scout UP QQer, this QQ thread == fail.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2234	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:56:00 - [18] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Nice fear mongering there. Too bad it won't work. CCP already said they won't do anything else with the rest of the BPOs. CCP says alot of things. No.
4447 Pure Innocence. EoN. 817	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:59:00 - [19] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it. simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone. if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. Link, please.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 628	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:59:00 - [20] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Nice fear mongering there. Too bad it won't work. CCP already said they won't do anything else with the rest of the BPOs. ccp said they wont do anything with bpo's in inventory.... what are ccp doing again in 1.7.... removing some bpo's from inventory. its only been about 3 weeks since they said they were not going to do this and now they are doing it. think we cant take their word for it now after springing this on everyone. The only reason these BPOs are being removed is because all their versions are also being removed, any version of these items, BPO or not is going to be removed entirely. Do you even read the updates? Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published 17/11/13

ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 529	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:37:00 - [21] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Nice fear mongering there. Too bad it won't work. CCP already said they won't do anything else with the rest of the BPOs. ccp said they wont do anything with bpo's in inventory.... what are ccp doing again in 1.7.... removing some bpo's from inventory. its only been about 3 weeks since they said they were not going to do this and now they are doing it. think we cant take their word for it now after springing this on everyone. The only reason these BPOs are being removed is because all their versions are also being removed, any version of these items, BPO or not is going to be removed entirely. Do you even read the updates? and this is exactly what i'm getting at. did you even read the op. ccp can't remove our items without uproar about it. so what they do is remove the version the bpo is based on and now that item is now forced to be removed as it is no longer available. they can pull this same tactic with all of our existing bpo's even the unique ones and all they will say is well we did it before and no one cared. Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 529	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:39:00 - [22] - Quote 4447 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it. simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone. if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. Link, please. look at the 1.7 changes.. they removed some of the militia vehicle items so by default the militia bpo's associated with these items are no longer in the game so the bpos are being removed also Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Suanar Daranaus Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 56	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:41:00 - [23] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Nice fear mongering there. Too bad it won't work. CCP already said they won't do anything else with the rest of the BPOs. ccp said they wont do anything with bpo's in inventory.... what are ccp doing again in 1.7.... removing some bpo's from inventory. its only been about 3 weeks since they said they were not going to do this and now they are doing it. think we cant take their word for it now after springing this on everyone. He does have a point.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 139	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:42:00 - [24] - Quote /me pets me Guristas Saga "They can't take you away! You were an exclusive." The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
pdiddy anfama KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 78	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:42:00 - [25] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Oh no, CCP is really going to be scared about you 'putting your foot down' because you want your unlimited supply of free items. In reality they're not going to be all that massively bothered by them because they're generally low level and everyone automatically gets 4 BPO starter fits anyway. And if it's that you're upset that you spent aur buying those thing, tahdah you get all that lovely aurum back! I spent cash for the Dren suits. CCP leave my BPOs alone.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 529	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:44:00 - [26] - Quote i was fully aware my bpos would eventually be rendered useless as we see them today but when eve manufacturing came into question then these bpos would take on a different role i.e sell the thing on or make my own. not just wiped from existence and then giving a refund going against something they said was never going to happen. and that was said only a few weeks ago Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5200	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:46:00 - [27] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Nice fear mongering there. Too bad it won't work. CCP already said they won't do anything else with the rest of the BPOs. ccp said they wont do anything with bpo's in inventory.... what are ccp doing again in 1.7.... removing some bpo's from inventory. its only been about 3 weeks since they said they were not going to do this and now they are doing it. think we cant take their word for it now after springing this on everyone. The only reason these BPOs are being removed is because all their versions are also being removed, any version of these items, BPO or not is going to be removed entirely. Do you even read the updates? I still have my BPO Yellow Biotics module that gives only bonus for stamina amount. Their ISK variants have been removed but I still got to keep my BPO variant. Try explaining that. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5201	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:49:00 - [28] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: 4447 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it. simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone. if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. Link, please. look at the 1.7 changes.. they removed some of the militia vehicle items so by default the militia bpo's associated with these items are no longer in the game so the bpos are being removed also Again, explain why I still have my BPO Yellow Biotics mods. The ISK variant is no longer in the market. It's technically a very useless BPO now considering that the Cardiac Regulators can do the same thing and more. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2428	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:49:00 - [29] - Quote Which vehicles module BPOs are being removed? Also, where was it confirmed BPOs would be replaced at current market value? I can't imagine CCP just yoloprinting AUR... HellsGÇáorm, Director Bringing the Wrath of God down on the Matari since YC114
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 529	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:50:00 - [30] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Which vehicles module BPOs are being removed? Also, where was it confirmed BPOs would be replaced at current market value? I can't imagine CCP just yoloprinting AUR... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1513116 Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1126	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:51:00 - [31] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: By the way, I still have the BPO for the Yellow Stamina mod which only gives bonus to stamina amount and that's it. All ISK variants and their cheap AUR variants were removed yet many of us who bought the BPO still have the BPO variant. I still have that BPO too Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 358	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:56:00 - [32] - Quote It is disconcerting that CCP is removing vehicle BPOs from player's inventory. Are our infantry BPOs next? Some of us paid a large sums of money for certain BPOs. Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5201	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:58:00 - [33] - Quote medomai grey wrote: It is disconcerting that CCP is removing vehicle BPOs from player's inventory. Are our infantry BPOs next? Some of us paid a large sums of money for certain BPOs. It's still not going to happen. Again, look at the financial ramifications especially when accounting for what us closed-beta vets did. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5201	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:00:00 - [34] - Quote OP, answer my question. Explain why I still have a BPO that literally has no ISK variant in the market? EDIT: This is not a Pay-to-win item considering that the ISK variant use to exist at the time of closed beta. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 530	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:00:00 - [35] - Quote medomai grey wrote: It is disconcerting that CCP is removing vehicle BPOs from player's inventory. Are our infantry BPOs next? Some of us paid a large sums of money for certain BPOs. what i find even more disconcerting is the statement ccp had sticky on general discussions regarding not removing inventory bpos has been removed completely Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5201	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:01:00 - [36] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: medomai grey wrote: It is disconcerting that CCP is removing vehicle BPOs from player's inventory. Are our infantry BPOs next? Some of us paid a large sums of money for certain BPOs. what i find even more disconcerting is the statement ccp had sticky on general discussions regarding not removing inventory bpos has been removed completely Well, that's an astute observation. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 530	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:02:00 - [37] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: OP, answer my question. Explain why I still have a BPO that literally has no ISK variant in the market? thats a relic from beta and nothing to do with this issue. thats how they used to do it. they not going to do it that way this time Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5201	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:04:00 - [38] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: OP, answer my question. Explain why I still have a BPO that literally has no ISK variant in the market? thats a relic from beta and nothing to do with this issue. thats how they used to do it. they not going to do it that way this time But it's still a BPO whose ISK item has been removed due to sweeping changes to modules. CCP is removing certain BPOs based on that logic alone. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Dust Junky 4Life Shitstorm Inc 161	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:06:00 - [39] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Nice fear mongering there. Too bad it won't work. CCP already said they won't do anything else with the rest of the BPOs. "In the near future" they wont be messed with. They also said it about the BPO's they are now taking. You are a blind fool! A Shitstorm is coming...........
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 530	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:06:00 - [40] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: medomai grey wrote: It is disconcerting that CCP is removing vehicle BPOs from player's inventory. Are our infantry BPOs next? Some of us paid a large sums of money for certain BPOs. It's still not going to happen. Again, look at the financial ramifications especially when accounting for what us closed-beta vets did. but that's exactly what's happening. they are removing these bpos which people have hundreds if not thousands of. how is millions of aur suddenly flooding dust going to affect it. Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find

pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 154	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:13:00 - [41] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I'm curious what happens to my Saga LAV BPO they appear to be staying for the moment. ccp isnt ballzy enough to remove those so soon. i have 5 gruistas saga's atm. im hoping they stay too. plus what the value on items purchased with REAL money, or in my case "promotional bpo's"
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5202	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:18:00 - [42] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: medomai grey wrote: It is disconcerting that CCP is removing vehicle BPOs from player's inventory. Are our infantry BPOs next? Some of us paid a large sums of money for certain BPOs. It's still not going to happen. Again, look at the financial ramifications especially when accounting for what us closed-beta vets did. but that's exactly what's happening. they are removing these bpos which people have hundreds if not thousands of. how is millions of aur suddenly flooding dust going to affect it. By negatively affecting CCP's future income. Those vets with extra FREE AURUM (boatloads of it) will not spend any more money to CCP for boosters, AUR dropsuits, etc. That's money CCP will not be getting for a long time. So far, I only see 3-4 unique BPOs being removed specifically according to the announcement. Honestly, how many players here really have hundreds of units of those particular BPOs? It's probably not that much which might explain why they're going to refund them. CCP does have the current-day metrics after all. CCP already knows what we have in our hangar. They wouldn't be doing this if there was too much to be refunded. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 530	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:28:00 - [43] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: medomai grey wrote: It is disconcerting that CCP is removing vehicle BPOs from player's inventory. Are our infantry BPOs next? Some of us paid a large sums of money for certain BPOs. It's still not going to happen. Again, look at the financial ramifications especially when accounting for what us closed-beta vets did. but that's exactly what's happening. they are removing these bpos which people have hundreds if not thousands of. how is millions of aur suddenly flooding dust going to affect it. By negatively affecting CCP's future income. Those vets with extra FREE AURUM (boatloads of it) will not spend any more money to CCP for boosters, AUR dropsuits, etc. That's money CCP will not be getting for a long time. So far, I only see 3-4 unique BPOs being removed specifically according to the announcement. Honestly, how many players here really have hundreds of units of those particular BPOs? It's probably not that much which might explain why they're going to refund them. CCP does have the current-day metrics after all. CCP already knows what we have in our hangar. They wouldn't be doing this if there was too much to be refunded. we getting off point here. its not really about the refund. its about them starting with insignificant vehicle module bpos, where will it stop. like i have said before they said they would not do this and then they did it anyway. "bpo's in your inventory will not be removed" and it is going to happen even though they said it wouldnt. they have set the path now for removing all bpo's. Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 921	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:30:00 - [44] - Quote They are regular suits with paintjobs and (most) no skill requirement. I could see them being an addon so characters can change the colors of their fits. As for the skill requirement if it wasn't for the basic suits it wouldn't take much to able to fit a standard version of all the current BPO items and they don't cost much either (except the LAV in comparison). I have and love all my BPOs. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war. SoonGäó514
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5202	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:31:00 - [45] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: we getting off point here. its not really about the refund. its about them starting with insignificant vehicle module bpos, where will it stop. like i have said before they said they would not do this and then they did it anyway. "bpo's in your inventory will not be removed" and it is going to happen even though they said it wouldnt. they have set the path now for removing all bpo's. Only time will tell if they continue down that path. For now, we're just speculating. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1279	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:36:00 - [46] - Quote the day I log in and any of my bpo's are gone without a refund I quit... simple as that. I paid real money for them. I will cancel my eve account, delete dust, and never play any of there games again. insert witty or profound statement here _______.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 532	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:39:00 - [47] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: we getting off point here. its not really about the refund. its about them starting with insignificant vehicle module bpos, where will it stop. like i have said before they said they would not do this and then they did it anyway. "bpo's in your inventory will not be removed" and it is going to happen even though they said it wouldnt. they have set the path now for removing all bpo's. Only time will tell if they continue down that path. For now, we're just speculating. how is it speculation. ccp said they don't want bpo's as they are now. thats common knowledge. yet they make a big statement after vegas they would not remove inventory bpo's at all because they knew it would **** off the community that own them. they told us they have no plans to do this. yet in the expansion they had already set in motion they intended to remove bpo's anyway and just bluffed us to keep us quiet. how can we trust anything they have to say on bpo's. ccp will do whatever it takes to forcefully remove these items from us. they have a medium to do this now and that is change the stats or remove the items the bpo's are based on. they can promise anything they want but from what has been said and what has now been done by ccp we can never trust a statement they say again Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5202	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:41:00 - [48] - Quote Quote: how is it speculation. You're talking about what you think they might do with the rest of the BPOs in the future. That's speculation. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5202	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:43:00 - [49] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: ccp will do whatever it takes to forcefully remove these items from us. they have a medium to do this now and that is change the stats or remove the items the bpo's are based on. they can promise anything they want but from what has been said and what has now been done by ccp we can never trust a statement they say again Yet I still have my Yellow Stamina Mod BPO from yesteryear. Also, I have a bunch of 'Skinweave' BPOs that were given to me as a reward. They have NO AURUM VALUE. How can I be compensated for those? CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1279	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:46:00 - [50] - Quote low genius wrote: bpo's are introductory items. the market is going to go live, so bpo's aren't effective anymore. the point is I bought them with real money. I don't care iff ccp thinks they break the game, I don't care if ccp has a good reason to remove them. all I care about is a cash refund if they do remove them. if CCP thinks they need to remove them then they also need to compensate the players who supported this game by buying them. if you didn't buy any then you have no voice in this conversation. if you did buy them and argue for their removal without compensation then youre either a ccp alt, or a fool. insert witty or profound statement here _______.

ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 135	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:49:00 - [51] - Quote Terram Nenokal wrote: BPOs are terrible for this game. It was an awful idea to have them in to begin with. Good riddance. Love, An owner of many BPOs. Might be, but i put in a lot of effort and some cash into making my BPO collection so i hope CCP doesnt do something foolish as removing them. Specially my 'Templar' stuff...
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5204	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:49:00 - [52] - Quote Also, the Yellow Stamina Mod BPO was sold to me at closed-beta prices but was no longer available once the game went into open beta. The prices changed when the game went into open beta. If CCP refunds at current market prices, how much would I be compensated in AUR for something that had no current market price? CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1281	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:50:00 - [53] - Quote low genius wrote: Skihids wrote: low genius wrote: bpo's are introductory items. the market is going to go live, so bpo's aren't effective anymore. No, BPOs were marketing items to generate cash sales for CCP. They are actually MORE effective now than when they were sold due to the tiericide implemented since early Beta, and that's why CCP is having second thoughts about them. understand that if they continue to exist they'll be a manufacturing item and not something you wear. in eve you don't have some 'infinite ship' that you can run around in. yes you do.... its called a rookie ship. and they have been used to great effect by corps like brave newbies and goonswarm to win battles.... do some research before you make yourself look like a fool. insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5204	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:51:00 - [54] - Quote There are also the BPOs that people acquired via the Eve Second Decade Collector's Edition. Then there are the BPOs acquired after putting massive effort into recruiting players and getting them to earn up to 100,000 WP each (50 players at least). How can CCP compensate for those BPOs if they get removed? CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5204	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:52:00 - [55] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: low genius wrote: Skihids wrote: low genius wrote: bpo's are introductory items. the market is going to go live, so bpo's aren't effective anymore. No, BPOs were marketing items to generate cash sales for CCP. They are actually MORE effective now than when they were sold due to the tiericide implemented since early Beta, and that's why CCP is having second thoughts about them. understand that if they continue to exist they'll be a manufacturing item and not something you wear. in eve you don't have some 'infinite ship' that you can run around in. yes you do.... its called a rookie ship. and they have been used to great effect by corps like brave newbies and goonswarm to win battles.... do some research before you make yourself look like a fool. A fleet of a thousand Ibises ganking a Hulk come to mind. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1284	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:23:00 - [56] - Quote this thread stay on the top of page 1! insert witty or profound statement here _______.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 538	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:44:00 - [57] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: There are also the BPOs that people acquired via the Eve Second Decade Collector's Edition. Then there are the BPOs acquired after putting massive effort into recruiting players and getting them to earn up to 100,000 WP each (50 players at least). How can CCP compensate for those BPOs if they get removed? you are missing the point entirely. if ccp decided to change any item that a bpo is based on like they have done with the ones in 1.7 then they could just remove the bpo without warning like they are planning to do here. seeing as all bpo's are based on militia or standard gear then nothing is safe. yes some items are directly aquired through money items such as the templar gear. that being said these were supplied as bonus items so are in no way protected. same goes for recruit gear... bonus items. ccp could turn round and say they are removing them and there is nothing we can do about it as they were never purchased. aur bpo's on the other hand were purchased hence all the issues. Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5204	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:50:00 - [58] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: There are also the BPOs that people acquired via the Eve Second Decade Collector's Edition. Then there are the BPOs acquired after putting massive effort into recruiting players and getting them to earn up to 100,000 WP each (50 players at least). How can CCP compensate for those BPOs if they get removed? you are missing the point entirely. if ccp decided to change any item that a bpo is based on like they have done with the ones in 1.7 then they could just remove the bpo without warning like they are planning to do here. seeing as all bpo's are based on militia or standard gear then nothing is safe. yes some items are directly aquired through money items such as the templar gear. that being said these were supplied as bonus items so are in no way protected. same goes for recruit gear... bonus items. ccp could turn round and say they are removing them and there is nothing we can do about it as they were never purchased. aur bpo's on the other hand were purchased hence all the issues. The templar suit BPOs still required real money to acquire. No matter how you slice it. Bonus or no bonus, money is money. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5204	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:52:00 - [59] - Quote Assuming you are right that CCP has that power to remove all BPOs without consideration. Does CCP even have the balls of adimantium to do that right now? CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 539	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:53:00 - [60] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: There are also the BPOs that people acquired via the Eve Second Decade Collector's Edition. Then there are the BPOs acquired after putting massive effort into recruiting players and getting them to earn up to 100,000 WP each (50 players at least). How can CCP compensate for those BPOs if they get removed? you are missing the point entirely. if ccp decided to change any item that a bpo is based on like they have done with the ones in 1.7 then they could just remove the bpo without warning like they are planning to do here. seeing as all bpo's are based on militia or standard gear then nothing is safe. yes some items are directly aquired through money items such as the templar gear. that being said these were supplied as bonus items so are in no way protected. same goes for recruit gear... bonus items. ccp could turn round and say they are removing them and there is nothing we can do about it as they were never purchased. aur bpo's on the other hand were purchased hence all the issues. The templar suit BPOs still required real money to acquire. No matter how you slice it. Bonus or no bonus, money is money. in your eyes maybe but a bonus item is not what they were selling. the bonus items was a gift for buying the item and nothing more. Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find

Name York 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 67	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:54:00 - [61] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: There are also the BPOs that people acquired via the Eve Second Decade Collector's Edition. Then there are the BPOs acquired after putting massive effort into recruiting players and getting them to earn up to 100,000 WP each (50 players at least). How can CCP compensate for those BPOs if they get removed? you are missing the point entirely. if ccp decided to change any item that a bpo is based on like they have done with the ones in 1.7 then they could just remove the bpo without warning like they are planning to do here. seeing as all bpo's are based on militia or standard gear then nothing is safe. yes some items are directly aquired through money items such as the templar gear. that being said these were supplied as bonus items so are in no way protected. same goes for recruit gear... bonus items. ccp could turn round and say they are removing them and there is nothing we can do about it as they were never purchased. aur bpo's on the other hand were purchased hence all the issues. Screw that. I bought the eve second decade collectors edition just for the templar gear. I haven't redeemed any of the eve stuff. If they want my templar gear, I want a cash refund and I'll even send back the eve stuff.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 539	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:54:00 - [62] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Assuming you are right that CCP has that power to remove all BPOs without consideration. Does CCP even have the balls of adimantium to do that right now? they had the balls to promise everyone no inventory bpo's would be removed... how long did that last.. 3 weeks tops and they did it anyway. it shows they have the balls to do whatever they want regardless of how the community will react. Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 539	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:56:00 - [63] - Quote Name York wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: There are also the BPOs that people acquired via the Eve Second Decade Collector's Edition. Then there are the BPOs acquired after putting massive effort into recruiting players and getting them to earn up to 100,000 WP each (50 players at least). How can CCP compensate for those BPOs if they get removed? you are missing the point entirely. if ccp decided to change any item that a bpo is based on like they have done with the ones in 1.7 then they could just remove the bpo without warning like they are planning to do here. seeing as all bpo's are based on militia or standard gear then nothing is safe. yes some items are directly aquired through money items such as the templar gear. that being said these were supplied as bonus items so are in no way protected. same goes for recruit gear... bonus items. ccp could turn round and say they are removing them and there is nothing we can do about it as they were never purchased. aur bpo's on the other hand were purchased hence all the issues. Screw that. I bought the eve second decade collectors edition just for the templar gear. I haven't redeemed any of the eve stuff. If they want my templar gear, I want a cash refund and I'll even send back the eve stuff. obviously im taking that point to the extreme but it just goes to show that this first stepping stone they have taken shows how vulnerable our bpo's really are to removal Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1286	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:56:00 - [64] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Assuming you are right that CCP has that power to remove all BPOs without consideration. Does CCP even have the balls of adimantium to do that right now? they had the balls to promise everyone no inventory bpo's would be removed... how long did that last.. 3 weeks tops and they did it anyway. it shows they have the balls to do whatever they want regardless of how the community will react. I hate ccp right now... I actually hate them. dishonest pieces of trash... insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5204	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:30:00 - [65] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Assuming you are right that CCP has that power to remove all BPOs without consideration. Does CCP even have the balls of adimantium to do that right now? they had the balls to promise everyone no inventory bpo's would be removed... how long did that last.. 3 weeks tops and they did it anyway. it shows they have the balls to do whatever they want regardless of how the community will react. Fine. Let them do it if you think they have the balls. Watch what happens with the player base. Hell hath no fury like a DUST merc scorned. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1290	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:22:00 - [66] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Assuming you are right that CCP has that power to remove all BPOs without consideration. Does CCP even have the balls of adimantium to do that right now? they had the balls to promise everyone no inventory bpo's would be removed... how long did that last.. 3 weeks tops and they did it anyway. it shows they have the balls to do whatever they want regardless of how the community will react. Fine. Let them do it if you think they have the balls. Watch what happens with the player base. Hell hath no fury like a DUST merc scorned. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 97	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:52:00 - [67] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it. simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone. if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. I'm already seeking legal advice and action against CCP. Come at me and my consumer rights CCP, I'll see you the Office of Fair Trading. I can has ISK
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 140	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:06:00 - [68] - Quote Name York wrote: Screw that. I bought the eve second decade collectors edition just for the templar gear. I haven't redeemed any of the eve stuff. If they want my templar gear, I want a cash refund and I'll even send back the eve stuff. Is there any way i can get the EvE stuffs from you? In game message me if yes. I'll be on this weekend. The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 515	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:23:00 - [69] - Quote low genius wrote: Skihids wrote: low genius wrote: bpo's are introductory items. the market is going to go live, so bpo's aren't effective anymore. No, BPOs were marketing items to generate cash sales for CCP. They are actually MORE effective now than when they were sold due to the tiericide implemented since early Beta, and that's why CCP is having second thoughts about them. understand that if they continue to exist they'll be a manufacturing item and not something you wear. in eve you don't have some 'infinite ship' that you can run around in. well TECHNICALITY you do as long as you habe the resources to build it...
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1309	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:26:00 - [70] - Quote SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!

Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1310	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:04:00 - [71] - Quote SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10462	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:06:00 - [72] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it. simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone. if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. You do realize that... ALL 180MM plates are getting Removed. ALL Shield Regenerators getting Removed ALL Shield Resistance Amplifiers getting Removed ALL Power Diagnostic Systems getting Removed With no replacements right? CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 545	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:39:00 - [73] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it. simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone. if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. You do realize that... ALL 180MM plates are getting Removed. ALL Shield Regenerators getting Removed ALL Shield Resistance Amplifiers getting Removed ALL Power Diagnostic Systems getting Removed With no replacements right? with what they are doing in 1.7 all ccp has to do to remove all militia bpo's is say that militia gear is not working anymore and then remove it. now there are no more militia items so bpo's are obsolite and then they take them from us. then they might decide that they want rid of militia/standard suits so they decide to remove standard varients from the game and replace them with something different but similar. now those bpo's based on those suits are removed because they dont exist anymore. what happens if they decide that lavs were a mistake and want to use atv's and mav's instead. now lav's have no place in dust so they remove those aswell. not saying they will but they have set the ball rolling now with 1.7. they have already show they will go back on anything they have said Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 545	Posted - 2013.11.21 08:01:00 - [74] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Hey all, We just wanted to clarify statements made about the removal of BPOs. We are in the process of removing BPOs from the market. We have already removed them from the in game market, and we will eventually be removing them from packs available on the PSN Store. We are not removing any existing BPOs from any player inventories and there are no plans to do so. BPOs are currently not functioning as intended so we are looking at the way they work in game. Again, we would like to reiterate that they will not be removed from any inventories. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1408798#post1408798 1.7 was set in motion months ago. this statement was weeks ago Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 155	Posted - 2013.11.21 17:01:00 - [75] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it. simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone. if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. You do realize that... ALL 180MM plates are getting Removed. ALL Shield Regenerators getting Removed ALL Shield Resistance Amplifiers getting Removed ALL Power Diagnostic Systems getting Removed With no replacements right? Out of curiosity while we do know that these items are being removed what my understanding is that many of these items will be back after "going back to basics" wave of balancing. So, don't we expect to see these items returning at some point? I.E a passive resist module, Shield regen module, etc.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1976	Posted - 2013.11.21 17:12:00 - [76] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Hey all, We just wanted to clarify statements made about the removal of BPOs. We are in the process of removing BPOs from the market. We have already removed them from the in game market, and we will eventually be removing them from packs available on the PSN Store. We are not removing any existing BPOs from any player inventories and there are no plans to do so. BPOs are currently not functioning as intended so we are looking at the way they work in game. Again, we would like to reiterate that they will not be removed from any inventories. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1408798#post1408798 1.7 was set in motion months ago. this statement was weeks ago. i would just like to point out the "no plans to do so" part What about "no plans to do so" are you confused about? That means at the time of that statement they didn't plan on removing them. Then they changed their minds. If they would have said "we are NOT going to...." then you could throw a hissy fit. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 547	Posted - 2013.11.21 17:15:00 - [77] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Hey all, We just wanted to clarify statements made about the removal of BPOs. We are in the process of removing BPOs from the market. We have already removed them from the in game market, and we will eventually be removing them from packs available on the PSN Store. We are not removing any existing BPOs from any player inventories and there are no plans to do so. BPOs are currently not functioning as intended so we are looking at the way they work in game. Again, we would like to reiterate that they will not be removed from any inventories. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1408798#post1408798 1.7 was set in motion months ago. this statement was weeks ago. i would just like to point out the "no plans to do so" part What about "no plans to do so" are you confused about? That means at the time of that statement they didn't plan on removing them. Then they changed their minds. If they would have said "we are NOT going to...." then you could throw a hissy fit. they did say they were not going to. hence the statement above. also vehicle changes have been pushed back twice but for the most part everything had already been set in motion but they just needed more time which says to me they knew already these items were going to be removed and chose not to mention anything about it Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Ku Shala Exiled Veteran Elite 657	Posted - 2013.11.21 17:16:00 - [78] - Quote you guys are crying about 4 BPO's that are being removed because they will have no function I see no BPO vehicles listed or any modules that will be usable with the new skill tree. this game is getting so sad the forum isn't even fun anymore just a bunch of whinning berries First General of Exiled Veteran Elite Loyalty Is not always rewarded Serving Caldari State
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 547	Posted - 2013.11.21 17:19:00 - [79] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: you guys are crying about 4 BPO's that are being removed because they will have no function I see no BPO vehicles listed or any modules that will be usable with the new skill tree. this game is getting so sad the forum isn't even fun anymore just a bunch of whinning berries this is not about the bpos that are getting removed. its about how they are being removed and how vulnerable this will leave all our bpos to future removals. not to mention they said they were not going to do this but then snook it into the patch without warning Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 547	Posted - 2013.11.21 17:27:00 - [80] - Quote if ccp spoke to us before stuff like this happened then no one would care but they have a nack for sneaking things in that p****s people off. if they had said a few weeks ago "look we have no plans to remove your bpo's but there is a chance we may have to change some in the future because of some module changes.... if this happened how would you like us to deal with it" etc everything would have been fine and as a community we could have come up with something everyone or most people would accept. this would have put the fate of bpo's in our own hands instead of having them ripped from our grasp with no warning Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5228	Posted - 2013.11.21 20:00:00 - [81] - Quote Adam, please take the time to read this. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122605&find=unread Also, try answering the question presented in that thread. It's very important. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 155	Posted - 2013.11.21 20:13:00 - [82] - Quote "can't see the forest for the trees"
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 550	Posted - 2013.11.21 20:47:00 - [83] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Adam, please take the time to read this. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122605&find=unread Also, try answering the question presented in that thread. It's very important. i have no concern of the cost or where they were bought from. it is irrelevant to my argument and a completely different issue altogether. my issue is and always has been how they are doing this and what this means for all bpo's in the future. saying 1 thing and doing another is deceptive off ccp. remember ccp had a massive drive in the month leading up to bpo removal from the market for everyone to buy bpo's before they were gone. the issue here is not that they are going, its not that we are getting a refund. its that ccp is being all cloak and dagger about it and that the way they have done it leaves all bpo's at risk Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:39:00 - [84] - Quote why isn't this still on page 1?
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 553	Posted - 2013.11.22 17:35:00 - [85] - Quote people have not grasped exactly what i'm getting at. i have explained it best i can. i will just favourite this topic and when ccp removes something big like lav bpo's or weapon and suit bpo's i will bring this out again and play the old "I TOLD YOU SO" Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 370	Posted - 2013.11.22 21:27:00 - [86] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: By the way, I still have the BPO for the Yellow Stamina mod which only gives bonus to stamina amount and that's it. All ISK variants and their cheap AUR variants were removed yet many of us who bought the BPO still have the BPO variant. Me too :/ Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Meta Gaming V > Proficiency I
Dust Junky 4Life Shitstorm Inc 187	Posted - 2013.11.22 21:44:00 - [87] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Nice fear mongering there. Too bad it won't work. CCP already said they won't do anything else with the rest of the BPOs. Logibro also stated "no bpo's would be removed from player accounts" I think Fox said "there are no plane to remove any other bpo's in the "NEAR FUTURE". In order for the market to work, ALL bpo's would need to be removed. I am making 100% profit by using nothing but bpo's. They will remove them a few at a time until they no longer exists. A Shitstorm is coming...........
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 136	Posted - 2013.11.22 21:46:00 - [88] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: people have not grasped exactly what i'm getting at. i have explained it best i can. i will just favourite this topic and when ccp removes something big like lav bpo's or weapon and suit bpo's i will bring this out again and play the old "I TOLD YOU SO" Me too, then I can laugh at all the other people who didn't bother to pipe up when they had the chance and support me. I can has ISK
skippy678 F.T.U. 133	Posted - 2013.11.22 21:48:00 - [89] - Quote Do you think that CCP has enough money for some great lawyers? if not already has some on payrole? Stop the threads ..BPO's are gone and there is nothing that you can do about it. If every second thread is this **** im gonna quit the forums and not the game. U.play.good? F.T.U. Recruiting Thread
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 555	Posted - 2013.11.22 22:20:00 - [90] - Quote i couldn't care less about compensation. i haven't once said anything about it. its all about the integrity of ccp. for them to blatantly lie to the community for weeks and then just throw this at us. thats the problem here. the truth came out in vegas and instead of being honest they decided to cool the community by lying to us. remember all that outrage that forced ccp to come up with the statement in the first place. it is only because the bpo's currently being removed are insignificant that the rest of the community has not got involved like they did then. mark my words. as soon as ccp starts messing with peoples fits then the ***** going to hit the fan, only at that time ccp will say "we did this before and no one cared" Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find

xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 32	Posted - 2013.11.23 05:38:00 - [91] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: i couldn't care less about compensation. i haven't once said anything about it. its all about the integrity of ccp. for them to blatantly lie to the community for weeks and then just throw this at us. thats the problem here. the truth came out in vegas and instead of being honest they decided to cool the community by lying to us. remember all that outrage that forced ccp to come up with the statement in the first place. it is only because the bpo's currently being removed are insignificant that the rest of the community has not got involved like they did then. mark my words. as soon as ccp starts messing with peoples fits then the *** going to hit the fan, only at that time ccp will say "we did this before and no one cared" I don't understand why the ccp defenders don't get this... its so obvious to some of us. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!**
NomaDz 2K DUTY FR33 77	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:01:00 - [92] - Quote BUMP
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1671	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:08:00 - [93] - Quote Can nobody be bothered to actually READ? The modules your BPO's stood for are being removed. Refunding a few AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 558	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:12:00 - [94] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Can nobody be bothered to actually READ? The modules your BPO's stood for are being removed. can you not read. follow the thread before jumping to conclusions about what we are getting at Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 64	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:13:00 - [95] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Can nobody be bothered to actually READ? The modules your BPO's stood for are being removed. meeko youre the one who needs to read. its obvious now you are just posting without reading because this is not why we are upset..... grats on looking foolish SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1671	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:32:00 - [96] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Can nobody be bothered to actually READ? The modules your BPO's stood for are being removed. meeko youre the one who needs to read. its obvious now you are just posting without reading because this is not why we are upset..... grats on looking foolish What, your upset you agreed to a contract to play a game for free on the assumption that CCP can change and remove whatever the heel they want, and now that they did so to remove a set of defunct modules, your FREAKING THE **** OUT. Refunding a few AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 64	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:33:00 - [97] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Can nobody be bothered to actually READ? The modules your BPO's stood for are being removed. meeko youre the one who needs to read. its obvious now you are just posting without reading because this is not why we are upset..... grats on looking foolish What, your upset you agreed to a contract to play a game for free on the assumption that CCP can change and remove whatever the heel they want, and now that they did so to remove a set of defunct modules, your FREAKING THE ** OUT. sigh. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!**
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 558	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:33:00 - [98] - Quote why do people even bother replying to something they don't understand. this is not about a few insignificant modules being removed. this is about all bpo's and the bigger picture of what ccp has in store for us. what's next in store for us. remove an insignificant bpo now and next thing we know lav bpos and suit bpos get removed without warning. this is a common tactic used all over the world. remove or alter something insignificant and when no one bats an eyelid drop the bombshell and then they have no leg to stand on. ccp will just say to everyone we did this before and you were all happy with it so now we are removing all bpo's. they created these items and even encouraged people to buy them telling us they were safe and then they removed them and didn't warn anyone. this is the big issue i'm trying to get across. it not just bpo's at risk here. it is everything in dust. they could just as easily remove tanks or anything else. when is it not a good idea to consult the community before making changes like this especially when an investment has been made by players. Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
NomaDz 2K DUTY FR33 77	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:44:00 - [99] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: why do people even bother replying to something they don't understand. this is not about a few insignificant modules being removed. this is about all bpo's and the bigger picture of what ccp has in store for us. what's next in store for us. remove an insignificant bpo now and next thing we know lav bpos and suit bpos get removed without warning. this is a common tactic used all over the world. remove or alter something insignificant and when no one bats an eyelid drop the bombshell and then they have no leg to stand on. ccp will just say to everyone we did this before and you were all happy with it so now we are removing all bpo's. they created these items and even encouraged people to buy them telling us they were safe and then they removed them and didn't warn anyone. this is the big issue i'm trying to get across. it not just bpo's at risk here. it is everything in dust. they could just as easily remove tanks or anything else. when is it not a good idea to consult the community before making changes like this especially when an investment has been made by players. /\ I'm sure the BOLD must be illegal since consumers are tutored by customer rights.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 327	Posted - 2013.11.24 01:25:00 - [100] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it. simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone. if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. All I have to ask is this, GÇ£WHOGÇÖS UNIVERSE IS THIS? DID WE CREATE THIS, OR DID CCP CREATE IT WITH THE MIND SET THAT THEY ARE GODS?GÇ¥ The thing is, every person that plays this game chooses to engage with CCPGÇÖs verso of reality. Does it suck to realize that you have absolutely no control? Sure does, but the funny thing is that you never had any int he first place. If you, at any point in time, thought that there was a microscopic semblance of control resting between your pudgy, little fingers, WELL, you were wrong. It never existed. Get over it. No use crying over spilled milk, especially when you decided to drink from a leaky cup.

xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 85	Posted - 2013.11.24 01:27:00 - [101] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it. simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone. if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. All I have to ask is this, GÇ£WHOGÇÖS UNIVERSE IS THIS? DID WE CREATE THIS, OR DID CCP CREATE IT WITH THE MIND SET THAT THEY ARE GODS?GÇ¥ The thing is, every person that plays this game chooses to engage with CCPGÇÖs verso of reality. Does it suck to realize that you have absolutely no control? Sure does, but the funny thing is that you never had any int he first place. If you, at any point in time, thought that there was a microscopic semblance of control resting between your pudgy, little fingers, WELL, you were wrong. It never existed. Get over it. No use crying over spilled milk, especially when you decided to drink from a leaky cup. it doesn't matter who owns the ball if you don't have anyone to throw it to.... if they want us to populate that universe they need to respect us.... and for some respec us SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 142	Posted - 2013.11.24 01:30:00 - [102] - Quote Has anyone even realised CCP has deleted ALL of their previous threads on BPOs and responses, you know, the ones where they said they wouldn't be removing the ones in our inventory and how they said buy now before its too late. Might it be that they have something to hide, this is mighty suspicious? I can has ISK
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 86	Posted - 2013.11.24 01:58:00 - [103] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Has anyone even realised CCP has deleted ALL of their previous threads on BPOs and responses, you know, the ones where they said they wouldn't be removing the ones in our inventory and how they said buy now before its too late. Might it be that they have something to hide, this is mighty suspicious? its on page one... make sure to keep it there. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 560	Posted - 2013.11.24 03:01:00 - [104] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it. simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone. if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. All I have to ask is this, GÇ£WHOGÇÖS UNIVERSE IS THIS? DID WE CREATE THIS, OR DID CCP CREATE IT WITH THE MIND SET THAT THEY ARE GODS?GÇ¥ The thing is, every person that plays this game chooses to engage with CCPGÇÖs verso of reality. Does it suck to realize that you have absolutely no control? Sure does, but the funny thing is that you never had any int he first place. If you, at any point in time, thought that there was a microscopic semblance of control resting between your pudgy, little fingers, WELL, you were wrong. It never existed. Get over it. No use crying over spilled milk, especially when you decided to drink from a leaky cup. its our universe. ccp supplies the environment and the tools and we write the story. you can brand eve itself with a"ccp made it so ccp can do what they want" but eve has no paid items in it so any changes do not affect players on a personal level. dust is full of the stuff and for a happy community ccp needs to give confidence in the items they supply us or at the very least communicate with us about stuff before they change or remove it. if not then we have to assume that anything they supply to us may not be the same item the next day. with that risk allot of us will not consider paying for items again from dust. i have spent a damn sight more on this game than i would ever consider spending on any other games but i like it. however if this uncertanty goes on i'm going to have to reconsider. bpo's were a safe way to invest considerable amounts of money into the game without significant portions vanishing into thin air. that whole notion was what got people investing in the first place. we shouldn't have to fight to keep hold of things they sold us. if its a problem ccp should be working with us to find a compromise and not just wipe the items from existence 1 by 1 Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 95	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:53:00 - [105] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Kazeno Rannaa wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it. simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone. if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. All I have to ask is this, GÇ£WHOGÇÖS UNIVERSE IS THIS? DID WE CREATE THIS, OR DID CCP CREATE IT WITH THE MIND SET THAT THEY ARE GODS?GÇ¥ The thing is, every person that plays this game chooses to engage with CCPGÇÖs verso of reality. Does it suck to realize that you have absolutely no control? Sure does, but the funny thing is that you never had any int he first place. If you, at any point in time, thought that there was a microscopic semblance of control resting between your pudgy, little fingers, WELL, you were wrong. It never existed. Get over it. No use crying over spilled milk, especially when you decided to drink from a leaky cup. its our universe. ccp supplies the environment and the tools and we write the story. you can brand eve itself with a"ccp made it so ccp can do what they want" but eve has no paid items in it so any changes do not affect players on a personal level. dust is full of the stuff and for a happy community ccp needs to give confidence in the items they supply us or at the very least communicate with us about stuff before they change or remove it. if not then we have to assume that anything they supply to us may not be the same item the next day. with that risk allot of us will not consider paying for items again from dust. i have spent a damn sight more on this game than i would ever consider spending on any other games but i like it. however if this uncertanty goes on i'm going to have to reconsider. bpo's were a safe way to invest considerable amounts of money into the game without significant portions vanishing into thin air. that whole notion was what got people investing in the first place. we shouldn't have to fight to keep hold of things they sold us. if its a problem ccp should be working with us to find a compromise and not just wipe the items from existence 1 by 1 IWS cant seem to understand this... or the army of ccp fanbois... well said plus 1 SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 106	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:45:00 - [106] - Quote SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 665	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:54:00 - [107] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Nice fear mongering there. Too bad it won't work. CCP already said they won't do anything else with the rest of the BPOs. When did they say that? All I saw was that 'they do not have IMMEDIATE plans to remove more BPOs'. I think they are testing waters with some peripheral militia BPOs to see how much community push back there is. I am sure more is to come. They will be doing it one BPO at a time quoting game mechanics (as if something really works in the game otherwise: see your nova knives) - this way they wont have a unified wave of community anger until the very end when no BPOs are left. When they say BPOs are not working as intended what they mean is that after an initial bump in profits from selling BPOs they have hit a nadir where ppl are not buying AUR anymore. What a discovery, right? Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 564	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:58:00 - [108] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Nice fear mongering there. Too bad it won't work. CCP already said they won't do anything else with the rest of the BPOs. When did they say that? All I saw was that 'they do not have IMMEDIATE plans to remove more BPOs'. I think they are testing waters with some peripheral militia BPOs to see how much community push back there is. I am sure more is to come. They will be doing it one BPO at a time quoting game mechanics (as if something really works in the game otherwise: see your nova knives) - this way they wont have a unified wave of community anger until the very end when no BPOs are left. When they say BPOs are not working as intended what they mean is that after an initial bump in profits from selling BPOs they have hit a nadir where ppl are not buying AUR anymore. What a discovery, right? exactly https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Rogue Saint Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 462	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:01:00 - [109] - Quote Look, BPO's don't work in dust. They break the New Eden model of BPO's and BPC's. Until there is some kind of manufacturing (omg please no) in dust then the BPO situation will always be a bone of contention. I would love to have a BPO Vagabond (as per dust), costs me nothing and have infinite uses of it. GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 568	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:48:00 - [110] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Look, BPO's don't work in dust. They break the New Eden model of BPO's and BPC's. Until there is some kind of manufacturing (omg please no) in dust then the BPO situation will always be a bone of contention. I would love to have a BPO Vagabond (as per dust), costs me nothing and have infinite uses of it. you cannot in anyway compare a militia bpo in dust to a vagabond bpo in eve. absolutely no comparison whatsoever. if anything militia is comparable to civilian items you can freely farm of rookie ships. i have done it many times for fun. lose a few rookie ships supplied to me for free but keep the fittings aside. then fit them to a destroyer and shoot some noob in his rookie ship for lol's. does what i did affect the eve economy adversely. i think not. anyway getting off topic once again https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find

xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 116	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:17:00 - [111] - Quote I just want to thank you for making this thread ADAM.... this was the thread that started me on my crusade with my main seymor krelborn... o7 SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 121	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:09:00 - [112] - Quote SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 183	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:34:00 - [113] - Quote They shouldn't have tried to offer a refund. They should say, "We're removing the 180 plate and 10% passive from the isk market, but we can't touch those BPOs." That's a tricky situation for game designers, and complicated for future market economics, but having a few special modules in game is hardly game breaking and should remain untouched. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
NomaDz 2K DUTY FR33 80	Posted - 2013.11.25 17:33:00 - [114] - Quote A New Week of BPO Bumps due to the lack of responce from CCP - Tnx CCP for shoving it back into your faces
Audrey2 Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.11.26 00:17:00 - [115] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: They shouldn't have tried to offer a refund. They should say, "We're removing the 180 plate and 10% passive from the isk market, but we can't touch those BPOs." That's a tricky situation for game designers, and complicated for future market economics, but having a few special modules in game is hardly game breaking and should remain untouched. so true, especially if they manage to grow their player base. then the amount of people who had bpo's would be so rare the economy would be bolstered by them, not crippled. the problem is CCP lacks imagination with this game, and they keep trying to fix problems with a meatcleaver that require a scalpel. doesn't anyone else find it disconcerting that a game that already lacks content is notorious for removing more content than it adds? It's a terrible trend and counter productive for a game struggling to maintain a core following, let alone hoping to grow. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
billy bloodbath2 Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.11.26 22:46:00 - [116] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it. simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone. if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. but what can we do? ccp seems to have all the power. I don't think I'm gona buy stuff anymore, but I don't think they will care.


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