DUST Search - bpo's... a sign of things to come

Maken Tosch wrote:

ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

medomai grey wrote:

It is disconcerting that CCP is removing vehicle BPOs from player's inventory. Are our infantry BPOs next? Some of us paid a large sums of money for certain BPOs.

It's still not going to happen. Again, look at the financial ramifications especially when accounting for what us closed-beta vets did.

but that's exactly what's happening. they are removing these bpos which people have hundreds if not thousands of. how is millions of aur suddenly flooding dust going to affect it.

By negatively affecting CCP's future income. Those vets with extra FREE AURUM (boatloads of it) will not spend any more money to CCP for boosters, AUR dropsuits, etc. That's money CCP will not be getting for a long time.

So far, I only see 3-4 unique BPOs being removed specifically according to the announcement. Honestly, how many players here really have hundreds of units of those particular BPOs? It's probably not that much which might explain why they're going to refund them. CCP does have the current-day metrics after all. CCP already knows what we have in our hangar. They wouldn't be doing this if there was too much to be refunded.

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Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1126	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:51:00 - [31] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: By the way, I still have the BPO for the Yellow Stamina mod which only gives bonus to stamina amount and that's it. All ISK variants and their cheap AUR variants were removed yet many of us who bought the BPO still have the BPO variant. I still have that BPO too Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 358	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:56:00 - [32] - Quote It is disconcerting that CCP is removing vehicle BPOs from player's inventory. Are our infantry BPOs next? Some of us paid a large sums of money for certain BPOs. Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5201	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:58:00 - [33] - Quote medomai grey wrote: It is disconcerting that CCP is removing vehicle BPOs from player's inventory. Are our infantry BPOs next? Some of us paid a large sums of money for certain BPOs. It's still not going to happen. Again, look at the financial ramifications especially when accounting for what us closed-beta vets did. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5201	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:00:00 - [34] - Quote OP, answer my question. Explain why I still have a BPO that literally has no ISK variant in the market? EDIT: This is not a Pay-to-win item considering that the ISK variant use to exist at the time of closed beta. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 530	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:00:00 - [35] - Quote medomai grey wrote: It is disconcerting that CCP is removing vehicle BPOs from player's inventory. Are our infantry BPOs next? Some of us paid a large sums of money for certain BPOs. what i find even more disconcerting is the statement ccp had sticky on general discussions regarding not removing inventory bpos has been removed completely Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5201	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:01:00 - [36] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: medomai grey wrote: It is disconcerting that CCP is removing vehicle BPOs from player's inventory. Are our infantry BPOs next? Some of us paid a large sums of money for certain BPOs. what i find even more disconcerting is the statement ccp had sticky on general discussions regarding not removing inventory bpos has been removed completely Well, that's an astute observation. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 530	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:02:00 - [37] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: OP, answer my question. Explain why I still have a BPO that literally has no ISK variant in the market? thats a relic from beta and nothing to do with this issue. thats how they used to do it. they not going to do it that way this time Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5201	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:04:00 - [38] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: OP, answer my question. Explain why I still have a BPO that literally has no ISK variant in the market? thats a relic from beta and nothing to do with this issue. thats how they used to do it. they not going to do it that way this time But it's still a BPO whose ISK item has been removed due to sweeping changes to modules. CCP is removing certain BPOs based on that logic alone. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Dust Junky 4Life Shitstorm Inc 161	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:06:00 - [39] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Nice fear mongering there. Too bad it won't work. CCP already said they won't do anything else with the rest of the BPOs. "In the near future" they wont be messed with. They also said it about the BPO's they are now taking. You are a blind fool! A Shitstorm is coming...........
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 530	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:06:00 - [40] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: medomai grey wrote: It is disconcerting that CCP is removing vehicle BPOs from player's inventory. Are our infantry BPOs next? Some of us paid a large sums of money for certain BPOs. It's still not going to happen. Again, look at the financial ramifications especially when accounting for what us closed-beta vets did. but that's exactly what's happening. they are removing these bpos which people have hundreds if not thousands of. how is millions of aur suddenly flooding dust going to affect it. Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find

pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 154	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:13:00 - [41] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I'm curious what happens to my Saga LAV BPO they appear to be staying for the moment. ccp isnt ballzy enough to remove those so soon. i have 5 gruistas saga's atm. im hoping they stay too. plus what the value on items purchased with REAL money, or in my case "promotional bpo's"
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5202	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:18:00 - [42] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: medomai grey wrote: It is disconcerting that CCP is removing vehicle BPOs from player's inventory. Are our infantry BPOs next? Some of us paid a large sums of money for certain BPOs. It's still not going to happen. Again, look at the financial ramifications especially when accounting for what us closed-beta vets did. but that's exactly what's happening. they are removing these bpos which people have hundreds if not thousands of. how is millions of aur suddenly flooding dust going to affect it. By negatively affecting CCP's future income. Those vets with extra FREE AURUM (boatloads of it) will not spend any more money to CCP for boosters, AUR dropsuits, etc. That's money CCP will not be getting for a long time. So far, I only see 3-4 unique BPOs being removed specifically according to the announcement. Honestly, how many players here really have hundreds of units of those particular BPOs? It's probably not that much which might explain why they're going to refund them. CCP does have the current-day metrics after all. CCP already knows what we have in our hangar. They wouldn't be doing this if there was too much to be refunded. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 530	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:28:00 - [43] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: medomai grey wrote: It is disconcerting that CCP is removing vehicle BPOs from player's inventory. Are our infantry BPOs next? Some of us paid a large sums of money for certain BPOs. It's still not going to happen. Again, look at the financial ramifications especially when accounting for what us closed-beta vets did. but that's exactly what's happening. they are removing these bpos which people have hundreds if not thousands of. how is millions of aur suddenly flooding dust going to affect it. By negatively affecting CCP's future income. Those vets with extra FREE AURUM (boatloads of it) will not spend any more money to CCP for boosters, AUR dropsuits, etc. That's money CCP will not be getting for a long time. So far, I only see 3-4 unique BPOs being removed specifically according to the announcement. Honestly, how many players here really have hundreds of units of those particular BPOs? It's probably not that much which might explain why they're going to refund them. CCP does have the current-day metrics after all. CCP already knows what we have in our hangar. They wouldn't be doing this if there was too much to be refunded. we getting off point here. its not really about the refund. its about them starting with insignificant vehicle module bpos, where will it stop. like i have said before they said they would not do this and then they did it anyway. "bpo's in your inventory will not be removed" and it is going to happen even though they said it wouldnt. they have set the path now for removing all bpo's. Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 921	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:30:00 - [44] - Quote They are regular suits with paintjobs and (most) no skill requirement. I could see them being an addon so characters can change the colors of their fits. As for the skill requirement if it wasn't for the basic suits it wouldn't take much to able to fit a standard version of all the current BPO items and they don't cost much either (except the LAV in comparison). I have and love all my BPOs. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war. SoonGäó514
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5202	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:31:00 - [45] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: we getting off point here. its not really about the refund. its about them starting with insignificant vehicle module bpos, where will it stop. like i have said before they said they would not do this and then they did it anyway. "bpo's in your inventory will not be removed" and it is going to happen even though they said it wouldnt. they have set the path now for removing all bpo's. Only time will tell if they continue down that path. For now, we're just speculating. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1279	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:36:00 - [46] - Quote the day I log in and any of my bpo's are gone without a refund I quit... simple as that. I paid real money for them. I will cancel my eve account, delete dust, and never play any of there games again. insert witty or profound statement here _______.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 532	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:39:00 - [47] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: we getting off point here. its not really about the refund. its about them starting with insignificant vehicle module bpos, where will it stop. like i have said before they said they would not do this and then they did it anyway. "bpo's in your inventory will not be removed" and it is going to happen even though they said it wouldnt. they have set the path now for removing all bpo's. Only time will tell if they continue down that path. For now, we're just speculating. how is it speculation. ccp said they don't want bpo's as they are now. thats common knowledge. yet they make a big statement after vegas they would not remove inventory bpo's at all because they knew it would **** off the community that own them. they told us they have no plans to do this. yet in the expansion they had already set in motion they intended to remove bpo's anyway and just bluffed us to keep us quiet. how can we trust anything they have to say on bpo's. ccp will do whatever it takes to forcefully remove these items from us. they have a medium to do this now and that is change the stats or remove the items the bpo's are based on. they can promise anything they want but from what has been said and what has now been done by ccp we can never trust a statement they say again Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5202	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:41:00 - [48] - Quote Quote: how is it speculation. You're talking about what you think they might do with the rest of the BPOs in the future. That's speculation. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5202	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:43:00 - [49] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: ccp will do whatever it takes to forcefully remove these items from us. they have a medium to do this now and that is change the stats or remove the items the bpo's are based on. they can promise anything they want but from what has been said and what has now been done by ccp we can never trust a statement they say again Yet I still have my Yellow Stamina Mod BPO from yesteryear. Also, I have a bunch of 'Skinweave' BPOs that were given to me as a reward. They have NO AURUM VALUE. How can I be compensated for those? CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1279	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:46:00 - [50] - Quote low genius wrote: bpo's are introductory items. the market is going to go live, so bpo's aren't effective anymore. the point is I bought them with real money. I don't care iff ccp thinks they break the game, I don't care if ccp has a good reason to remove them. all I care about is a cash refund if they do remove them. if CCP thinks they need to remove them then they also need to compensate the players who supported this game by buying them. if you didn't buy any then you have no voice in this conversation. if you did buy them and argue for their removal without compensation then youre either a ccp alt, or a fool. insert witty or profound statement here _______.

ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 135	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:49:00 - [51] - Quote Terram Nenokal wrote: BPOs are terrible for this game. It was an awful idea to have them in to begin with. Good riddance. Love, An owner of many BPOs. Might be, but i put in a lot of effort and some cash into making my BPO collection so i hope CCP doesnt do something foolish as removing them. Specially my 'Templar' stuff...
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5204	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:49:00 - [52] - Quote Also, the Yellow Stamina Mod BPO was sold to me at closed-beta prices but was no longer available once the game went into open beta. The prices changed when the game went into open beta. If CCP refunds at current market prices, how much would I be compensated in AUR for something that had no current market price? CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1281	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:50:00 - [53] - Quote low genius wrote: Skihids wrote: low genius wrote: bpo's are introductory items. the market is going to go live, so bpo's aren't effective anymore. No, BPOs were marketing items to generate cash sales for CCP. They are actually MORE effective now than when they were sold due to the tiericide implemented since early Beta, and that's why CCP is having second thoughts about them. understand that if they continue to exist they'll be a manufacturing item and not something you wear. in eve you don't have some 'infinite ship' that you can run around in. yes you do.... its called a rookie ship. and they have been used to great effect by corps like brave newbies and goonswarm to win battles.... do some research before you make yourself look like a fool. insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5204	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:51:00 - [54] - Quote There are also the BPOs that people acquired via the Eve Second Decade Collector's Edition. Then there are the BPOs acquired after putting massive effort into recruiting players and getting them to earn up to 100,000 WP each (50 players at least). How can CCP compensate for those BPOs if they get removed? CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5204	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:52:00 - [55] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: low genius wrote: Skihids wrote: low genius wrote: bpo's are introductory items. the market is going to go live, so bpo's aren't effective anymore. No, BPOs were marketing items to generate cash sales for CCP. They are actually MORE effective now than when they were sold due to the tiericide implemented since early Beta, and that's why CCP is having second thoughts about them. understand that if they continue to exist they'll be a manufacturing item and not something you wear. in eve you don't have some 'infinite ship' that you can run around in. yes you do.... its called a rookie ship. and they have been used to great effect by corps like brave newbies and goonswarm to win battles.... do some research before you make yourself look like a fool. A fleet of a thousand Ibises ganking a Hulk come to mind. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1284	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:23:00 - [56] - Quote this thread stay on the top of page 1! insert witty or profound statement here _______.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 538	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:44:00 - [57] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: There are also the BPOs that people acquired via the Eve Second Decade Collector's Edition. Then there are the BPOs acquired after putting massive effort into recruiting players and getting them to earn up to 100,000 WP each (50 players at least). How can CCP compensate for those BPOs if they get removed? you are missing the point entirely. if ccp decided to change any item that a bpo is based on like they have done with the ones in 1.7 then they could just remove the bpo without warning like they are planning to do here. seeing as all bpo's are based on militia or standard gear then nothing is safe. yes some items are directly aquired through money items such as the templar gear. that being said these were supplied as bonus items so are in no way protected. same goes for recruit gear... bonus items. ccp could turn round and say they are removing them and there is nothing we can do about it as they were never purchased. aur bpo's on the other hand were purchased hence all the issues. Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5204	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:50:00 - [58] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: There are also the BPOs that people acquired via the Eve Second Decade Collector's Edition. Then there are the BPOs acquired after putting massive effort into recruiting players and getting them to earn up to 100,000 WP each (50 players at least). How can CCP compensate for those BPOs if they get removed? you are missing the point entirely. if ccp decided to change any item that a bpo is based on like they have done with the ones in 1.7 then they could just remove the bpo without warning like they are planning to do here. seeing as all bpo's are based on militia or standard gear then nothing is safe. yes some items are directly aquired through money items such as the templar gear. that being said these were supplied as bonus items so are in no way protected. same goes for recruit gear... bonus items. ccp could turn round and say they are removing them and there is nothing we can do about it as they were never purchased. aur bpo's on the other hand were purchased hence all the issues. The templar suit BPOs still required real money to acquire. No matter how you slice it. Bonus or no bonus, money is money. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5204	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:52:00 - [59] - Quote Assuming you are right that CCP has that power to remove all BPOs without consideration. Does CCP even have the balls of adimantium to do that right now? CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 539	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:53:00 - [60] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: There are also the BPOs that people acquired via the Eve Second Decade Collector's Edition. Then there are the BPOs acquired after putting massive effort into recruiting players and getting them to earn up to 100,000 WP each (50 players at least). How can CCP compensate for those BPOs if they get removed? you are missing the point entirely. if ccp decided to change any item that a bpo is based on like they have done with the ones in 1.7 then they could just remove the bpo without warning like they are planning to do here. seeing as all bpo's are based on militia or standard gear then nothing is safe. yes some items are directly aquired through money items such as the templar gear. that being said these were supplied as bonus items so are in no way protected. same goes for recruit gear... bonus items. ccp could turn round and say they are removing them and there is nothing we can do about it as they were never purchased. aur bpo's on the other hand were purchased hence all the issues. The templar suit BPOs still required real money to acquire. No matter how you slice it. Bonus or no bonus, money is money. in your eyes maybe but a bonus item is not what they were selling. the bonus items was a gift for buying the item and nothing more. Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find



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