DUST Search - bpo's... a sign of things to come

ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

There are also the BPOs that people acquired via the Eve Second Decade Collector's Edition. Then there are the BPOs acquired after putting massive effort into recruiting players and getting them to earn up to 100,000 WP each (50 players at least). How can CCP compensate for those BPOs if they get removed?

you are missing the point entirely. if ccp decided to change any item that a bpo is based on like they have done with the ones in 1.7 then they could just remove the bpo without warning like they are planning to do here. seeing as all bpo's are based on militia or standard gear then nothing is safe. yes some items are directly aquired through money items such as the templar gear. that being said these were supplied as bonus items so are in no way protected. same goes for recruit gear... bonus items. ccp could turn round and say they are removing them and there is nothing we can do about it as they were never purchased. aur bpo's on the other hand were purchased hence all the issues.

CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.


Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5192	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:08:00 - [1] - Quote Nice fear mongering there. Too bad it won't work. CCP already said they won't do anything else with the rest of the BPOs. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5192	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:12:00 - [2] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Nice fear mongering there. Too bad it won't work. CCP already said they won't do anything else with the rest of the BPOs. ccp said they wont do anything with bpo's in inventory.... what are ccp doing again in 1.7.... removing some bpo's from inventory. its only been about 3 weeks since they said they were not going to do this and now they are doing it. think we cant take their word for it now after springing this on everyone. At least they're refunding those BPOs at the marked-up AUR prices you see now. Keep in mind that back then BPOs use to cost only 50-100 AUR a piece. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5192	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:15:00 - [3] - Quote By the way, I still have the BPO for the Yellow Stamina mod which only gives bonus to stamina amount and that's it. All ISK variants and their cheap AUR variants were removed yet many of us who bought the BPO still have the BPO variant. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5194	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:33:00 - [4] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: ... next thing you know all bpo's are gone even the merc pack ones and the tester ones from beta. Which I'm sure they won't do considering the financial ramifications of doing so and how closed-beta vets will just profit too much from that. This is AURUM we're talking after all. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5200	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:46:00 - [5] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Nice fear mongering there. Too bad it won't work. CCP already said they won't do anything else with the rest of the BPOs. ccp said they wont do anything with bpo's in inventory.... what are ccp doing again in 1.7.... removing some bpo's from inventory. its only been about 3 weeks since they said they were not going to do this and now they are doing it. think we cant take their word for it now after springing this on everyone. The only reason these BPOs are being removed is because all their versions are also being removed, any version of these items, BPO or not is going to be removed entirely. Do you even read the updates? I still have my BPO Yellow Biotics module that gives only bonus for stamina amount. Their ISK variants have been removed but I still got to keep my BPO variant. Try explaining that. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5201	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:49:00 - [6] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: 4447 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it. simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone. if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. Link, please. look at the 1.7 changes.. they removed some of the militia vehicle items so by default the militia bpo's associated with these items are no longer in the game so the bpos are being removed also Again, explain why I still have my BPO Yellow Biotics mods. The ISK variant is no longer in the market. It's technically a very useless BPO now considering that the Cardiac Regulators can do the same thing and more. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5201	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:58:00 - [7] - Quote medomai grey wrote: It is disconcerting that CCP is removing vehicle BPOs from player's inventory. Are our infantry BPOs next? Some of us paid a large sums of money for certain BPOs. It's still not going to happen. Again, look at the financial ramifications especially when accounting for what us closed-beta vets did. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5201	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:00:00 - [8] - Quote OP, answer my question. Explain why I still have a BPO that literally has no ISK variant in the market? EDIT: This is not a Pay-to-win item considering that the ISK variant use to exist at the time of closed beta. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5201	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:01:00 - [9] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: medomai grey wrote: It is disconcerting that CCP is removing vehicle BPOs from player's inventory. Are our infantry BPOs next? Some of us paid a large sums of money for certain BPOs. what i find even more disconcerting is the statement ccp had sticky on general discussions regarding not removing inventory bpos has been removed completely Well, that's an astute observation. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5201	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:04:00 - [10] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: OP, answer my question. Explain why I still have a BPO that literally has no ISK variant in the market? thats a relic from beta and nothing to do with this issue. thats how they used to do it. they not going to do it that way this time But it's still a BPO whose ISK item has been removed due to sweeping changes to modules. CCP is removing certain BPOs based on that logic alone. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5202	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:18:00 - [11] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: medomai grey wrote: It is disconcerting that CCP is removing vehicle BPOs from player's inventory. Are our infantry BPOs next? Some of us paid a large sums of money for certain BPOs. It's still not going to happen. Again, look at the financial ramifications especially when accounting for what us closed-beta vets did. but that's exactly what's happening. they are removing these bpos which people have hundreds if not thousands of. how is millions of aur suddenly flooding dust going to affect it. By negatively affecting CCP's future income. Those vets with extra FREE AURUM (boatloads of it) will not spend any more money to CCP for boosters, AUR dropsuits, etc. That's money CCP will not be getting for a long time. So far, I only see 3-4 unique BPOs being removed specifically according to the announcement. Honestly, how many players here really have hundreds of units of those particular BPOs? It's probably not that much which might explain why they're going to refund them. CCP does have the current-day metrics after all. CCP already knows what we have in our hangar. They wouldn't be doing this if there was too much to be refunded. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5202	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:31:00 - [12] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: we getting off point here. its not really about the refund. its about them starting with insignificant vehicle module bpos, where will it stop. like i have said before they said they would not do this and then they did it anyway. "bpo's in your inventory will not be removed" and it is going to happen even though they said it wouldnt. they have set the path now for removing all bpo's. Only time will tell if they continue down that path. For now, we're just speculating. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5202	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:41:00 - [13] - Quote Quote: how is it speculation. You're talking about what you think they might do with the rest of the BPOs in the future. That's speculation. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5202	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:43:00 - [14] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: ccp will do whatever it takes to forcefully remove these items from us. they have a medium to do this now and that is change the stats or remove the items the bpo's are based on. they can promise anything they want but from what has been said and what has now been done by ccp we can never trust a statement they say again Yet I still have my Yellow Stamina Mod BPO from yesteryear. Also, I have a bunch of 'Skinweave' BPOs that were given to me as a reward. They have NO AURUM VALUE. How can I be compensated for those? CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5204	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:49:00 - [15] - Quote Also, the Yellow Stamina Mod BPO was sold to me at closed-beta prices but was no longer available once the game went into open beta. The prices changed when the game went into open beta. If CCP refunds at current market prices, how much would I be compensated in AUR for something that had no current market price? CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5204	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:51:00 - [16] - Quote There are also the BPOs that people acquired via the Eve Second Decade Collector's Edition. Then there are the BPOs acquired after putting massive effort into recruiting players and getting them to earn up to 100,000 WP each (50 players at least). How can CCP compensate for those BPOs if they get removed? CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5204	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:52:00 - [17] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: low genius wrote: Skihids wrote: low genius wrote: bpo's are introductory items. the market is going to go live, so bpo's aren't effective anymore. No, BPOs were marketing items to generate cash sales for CCP. They are actually MORE effective now than when they were sold due to the tiericide implemented since early Beta, and that's why CCP is having second thoughts about them. understand that if they continue to exist they'll be a manufacturing item and not something you wear. in eve you don't have some 'infinite ship' that you can run around in. yes you do.... its called a rookie ship. and they have been used to great effect by corps like brave newbies and goonswarm to win battles.... do some research before you make yourself look like a fool. A fleet of a thousand Ibises ganking a Hulk come to mind. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5204	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:50:00 - [18] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: There are also the BPOs that people acquired via the Eve Second Decade Collector's Edition. Then there are the BPOs acquired after putting massive effort into recruiting players and getting them to earn up to 100,000 WP each (50 players at least). How can CCP compensate for those BPOs if they get removed? you are missing the point entirely. if ccp decided to change any item that a bpo is based on like they have done with the ones in 1.7 then they could just remove the bpo without warning like they are planning to do here. seeing as all bpo's are based on militia or standard gear then nothing is safe. yes some items are directly aquired through money items such as the templar gear. that being said these were supplied as bonus items so are in no way protected. same goes for recruit gear... bonus items. ccp could turn round and say they are removing them and there is nothing we can do about it as they were never purchased. aur bpo's on the other hand were purchased hence all the issues. The templar suit BPOs still required real money to acquire. No matter how you slice it. Bonus or no bonus, money is money. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5204	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:52:00 - [19] - Quote Assuming you are right that CCP has that power to remove all BPOs without consideration. Does CCP even have the balls of adimantium to do that right now? CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5204	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:30:00 - [20] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Assuming you are right that CCP has that power to remove all BPOs without consideration. Does CCP even have the balls of adimantium to do that right now? they had the balls to promise everyone no inventory bpo's would be removed... how long did that last.. 3 weeks tops and they did it anyway. it shows they have the balls to do whatever they want regardless of how the community will react. Fine. Let them do it if you think they have the balls. Watch what happens with the player base. Hell hath no fury like a DUST merc scorned. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5228	Posted - 2013.11.21 20:00:00 - [21] - Quote Adam, please take the time to read this. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122605&find=unread Also, try answering the question presented in that thread. It's very important. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.