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xLuca Brasi
DUST University Ivy League
32
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Posted - 2013.11.23 05:38:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:i couldn't care less about compensation. i haven't once said anything about it. its all about the integrity of ccp. for them to blatantly lie to the community for weeks and then just throw this at us. thats the problem here.
the truth came out in vegas and instead of being honest they decided to cool the community by lying to us. remember all that outrage that forced ccp to come up with the statement in the first place. it is only because the bpo's currently being removed are insignificant that the rest of the community has not got involved like they did then.
mark my words. as soon as ccp starts messing with peoples fits then the ***** going to hit the fan, only at that time ccp will say "we did this before and no one cared"
I don't understand why the ccp defenders don't get this...
its so obvious to some of us.
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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NomaDz 2K
DUTY FR33
77
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:01:00 -
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BUMP |
Meeko Fent
Commando Perkone Caldari State
1671
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:08:00 -
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Can nobody be bothered to actually READ?
The modules your BPO's stood for are being removed.
Refunding a few AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
558
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:12:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Can nobody be bothered to actually READ?
The modules your BPO's stood for are being removed.
can you not read. follow the thread before jumping to conclusions about what we are getting at
Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
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xLuca Brasi
DUST University Ivy League
64
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:13:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Can nobody be bothered to actually READ?
The modules your BPO's stood for are being removed.
meeko youre the one who needs to read.
its obvious now you are just posting without reading because this is not why we are upset.....
grats on looking foolish
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Meeko Fent
Commando Perkone Caldari State
1671
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:32:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Can nobody be bothered to actually READ?
The modules your BPO's stood for are being removed. meeko youre the one who needs to read. its obvious now you are just posting without reading because this is not why we are upset..... grats on looking foolish What, your upset you agreed to a contract to play a game for free on the assumption that CCP can change and remove whatever the heel they want, and now that they did so to remove a set of defunct modules, your FREAKING THE **** OUT.
Refunding a few AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore
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xLuca Brasi
DUST University Ivy League
64
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:33:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Can nobody be bothered to actually READ?
The modules your BPO's stood for are being removed. meeko youre the one who needs to read. its obvious now you are just posting without reading because this is not why we are upset..... grats on looking foolish What, your upset you agreed to a contract to play a game for free on the assumption that CCP can change and remove whatever the heel they want, and now that they did so to remove a set of defunct modules, your FREAKING THE **** OUT.
sigh.
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
558
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Posted - 2013.11.24 00:33:00 -
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why do people even bother replying to something they don't understand.
this is not about a few insignificant modules being removed. this is about all bpo's and the bigger picture of what ccp has in store for us. what's next in store for us. remove an insignificant bpo now and next thing we know lav bpos and suit bpos get removed without warning. this is a common tactic used all over the world. remove or alter something insignificant and when no one bats an eyelid drop the bombshell and then they have no leg to stand on. ccp will just say to everyone we did this before and you were all happy with it so now we are removing all bpo's.
they created these items and even encouraged people to buy them telling us they were safe and then they removed them and didn't warn anyone.
this is the big issue i'm trying to get across. it not just bpo's at risk here. it is everything in dust. they could just as easily remove tanks or anything else. when is it not a good idea to consult the community before making changes like this especially when an investment has been made by players.
Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
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NomaDz 2K
DUTY FR33
77
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Posted - 2013.11.24 00:44:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:why do people even bother replying to something they don't understand.
this is not about a few insignificant modules being removed. this is about all bpo's and the bigger picture of what ccp has in store for us. what's next in store for us. remove an insignificant bpo now and next thing we know lav bpos and suit bpos get removed without warning. this is a common tactic used all over the world. remove or alter something insignificant and when no one bats an eyelid drop the bombshell and then they have no leg to stand on. ccp will just say to everyone we did this before and you were all happy with it so now we are removing all bpo's.
they created these items and even encouraged people to buy them telling us they were safe and then they removed them and didn't warn anyone.
this is the big issue i'm trying to get across. it not just bpo's at risk here. it is everything in dust. they could just as easily remove tanks or anything else. when is it not a good idea to consult the community before making changes like this especially when an investment has been made by players.
/\ I'm sure the BOLD must be illegal since consumers are tutored by customer rights. |
Kazeno Rannaa
BIG BAD W0LVES
327
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:25:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it.
simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone.
if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it.
All I have to ask is this, GÇ£WHOGÇÖS UNIVERSE IS THIS? DID WE CREATE THIS, OR DID CCP CREATE IT WITH THE MIND SET THAT THEY ARE GODS?GÇ¥
The thing is, every person that plays this game chooses to engage with CCPGÇÖs verso of reality. Does it suck to realize that you have absolutely no control? Sure does, but the funny thing is that you never had any int he first place. If you, at any point in time, thought that there was a microscopic semblance of control resting between your pudgy, little fingers, WELL, you were wrong. It never existed.
Get over it. No use crying over spilled milk, especially when you decided to drink from a leaky cup. |
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xLuca Brasi
DUST University Ivy League
85
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:27:00 -
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Kazeno Rannaa wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it.
simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone.
if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. All I have to ask is this, GÇ£WHOGÇÖS UNIVERSE IS THIS? DID WE CREATE THIS, OR DID CCP CREATE IT WITH THE MIND SET THAT THEY ARE GODS?GÇ¥ The thing is, every person that plays this game chooses to engage with CCPGÇÖs verso of reality. Does it suck to realize that you have absolutely no control? Sure does, but the funny thing is that you never had any int he first place. If you, at any point in time, thought that there was a microscopic semblance of control resting between your pudgy, little fingers, WELL, you were wrong. It never existed. Get over it. No use crying over spilled milk, especially when you decided to drink from a leaky cup.
it doesn't matter who owns the ball if you don't have anyone to throw it to....
if they want us to populate that universe they need to respect us.... and for some respec us
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
142
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:30:00 -
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Has anyone even realised CCP has deleted ALL of their previous threads on BPOs and responses, you know, the ones where they said they wouldn't be removing the ones in our inventory and how they said buy now before its too late. Might it be that they have something to hide, this is mighty suspicious?
I can has ISK
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xLuca Brasi
DUST University Ivy League
86
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:58:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Has anyone even realised CCP has deleted ALL of their previous threads on BPOs and responses, you know, the ones where they said they wouldn't be removing the ones in our inventory and how they said buy now before its too late. Might it be that they have something to hide, this is mighty suspicious?
its on page one... make sure to keep it there.
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
560
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:01:00 -
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Kazeno Rannaa wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it.
simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone.
if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. All I have to ask is this, GÇ£WHOGÇÖS UNIVERSE IS THIS? DID WE CREATE THIS, OR DID CCP CREATE IT WITH THE MIND SET THAT THEY ARE GODS?GÇ¥ The thing is, every person that plays this game chooses to engage with CCPGÇÖs verso of reality. Does it suck to realize that you have absolutely no control? Sure does, but the funny thing is that you never had any int he first place. If you, at any point in time, thought that there was a microscopic semblance of control resting between your pudgy, little fingers, WELL, you were wrong. It never existed. Get over it. No use crying over spilled milk, especially when you decided to drink from a leaky cup.
its our universe. ccp supplies the environment and the tools and we write the story. you can brand eve itself with a"ccp made it so ccp can do what they want" but eve has no paid items in it so any changes do not affect players on a personal level. dust is full of the stuff and for a happy community ccp needs to give confidence in the items they supply us or at the very least communicate with us about stuff before they change or remove it. if not then we have to assume that anything they supply to us may not be the same item the next day. with that risk allot of us will not consider paying for items again from dust. i have spent a damn sight more on this game than i would ever consider spending on any other games but i like it. however if this uncertanty goes on i'm going to have to reconsider.
bpo's were a safe way to invest considerable amounts of money into the game without significant portions vanishing into thin air. that whole notion was what got people investing in the first place. we shouldn't have to fight to keep hold of things they sold us. if its a problem ccp should be working with us to find a compromise and not just wipe the items from existence 1 by 1
Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head
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xLuca Brasi
DUST University Ivy League
95
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Posted - 2013.11.24 07:53:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Kazeno Rannaa wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it.
simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone.
if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. All I have to ask is this, GÇ£WHOGÇÖS UNIVERSE IS THIS? DID WE CREATE THIS, OR DID CCP CREATE IT WITH THE MIND SET THAT THEY ARE GODS?GÇ¥ The thing is, every person that plays this game chooses to engage with CCPGÇÖs verso of reality. Does it suck to realize that you have absolutely no control? Sure does, but the funny thing is that you never had any int he first place. If you, at any point in time, thought that there was a microscopic semblance of control resting between your pudgy, little fingers, WELL, you were wrong. It never existed. Get over it. No use crying over spilled milk, especially when you decided to drink from a leaky cup. its our universe. ccp supplies the environment and the tools and we write the story. you can brand eve itself with a"ccp made it so ccp can do what they want" but eve has no paid items in it so any changes do not affect players on a personal level. dust is full of the stuff and for a happy community ccp needs to give confidence in the items they supply us or at the very least communicate with us about stuff before they change or remove it. if not then we have to assume that anything they supply to us may not be the same item the next day. with that risk allot of us will not consider paying for items again from dust. i have spent a damn sight more on this game than i would ever consider spending on any other games but i like it. however if this uncertanty goes on i'm going to have to reconsider. bpo's were a safe way to invest considerable amounts of money into the game without significant portions vanishing into thin air. that whole notion was what got people investing in the first place. we shouldn't have to fight to keep hold of things they sold us. if its a problem ccp should be working with us to find a compromise and not just wipe the items from existence 1 by 1
IWS cant seem to understand this... or the army of ccp fanbois...
well said plus 1
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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xLuca Brasi
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
106
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Posted - 2013.11.24 18:45:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
665
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Posted - 2013.11.24 18:54:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Nice fear mongering there. Too bad it won't work. CCP already said they won't do anything else with the rest of the BPOs.
When did they say that? All I saw was that 'they do not have IMMEDIATE plans to remove more BPOs'. I think they are testing waters with some peripheral militia BPOs to see how much community push back there is. I am sure more is to come. They will be doing it one BPO at a time quoting game mechanics (as if something really works in the game otherwise: see your nova knives) - this way they wont have a unified wave of community anger until the very end when no BPOs are left.
When they say BPOs are not working as intended what they mean is that after an initial bump in profits from selling BPOs they have hit a nadir where ppl are not buying AUR anymore. What a discovery, right?
Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
564
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Posted - 2013.11.24 18:58:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Nice fear mongering there. Too bad it won't work. CCP already said they won't do anything else with the rest of the BPOs. When did they say that? All I saw was that 'they do not have IMMEDIATE plans to remove more BPOs'. I think they are testing waters with some peripheral militia BPOs to see how much community push back there is. I am sure more is to come. They will be doing it one BPO at a time quoting game mechanics (as if something really works in the game otherwise: see your nova knives) - this way they wont have a unified wave of community anger until the very end when no BPOs are left. When they say BPOs are not working as intended what they mean is that after an initial bump in profits from selling BPOs they have hit a nadir where ppl are not buying AUR anymore. What a discovery, right?
exactly
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Rogue Saint
Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse
462
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Posted - 2013.11.24 19:01:00 -
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Look, BPO's don't work in dust. They break the New Eden model of BPO's and BPC's. Until there is some kind of manufacturing (omg please no) in dust then the BPO situation will always be a bone of contention.
I would love to have a BPO Vagabond (as per dust), costs me nothing and have infinite uses of it.
GôêGÆ+GÆ+GƦ
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
568
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Posted - 2013.11.24 19:48:00 -
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Rogue Saint wrote:Look, BPO's don't work in dust. They break the New Eden model of BPO's and BPC's. Until there is some kind of manufacturing (omg please no) in dust then the BPO situation will always be a bone of contention.
I would love to have a BPO Vagabond (as per dust), costs me nothing and have infinite uses of it.
you cannot in anyway compare a militia bpo in dust to a vagabond bpo in eve. absolutely no comparison whatsoever. if anything militia is comparable to civilian items you can freely farm of rookie ships. i have done it many times for fun. lose a few rookie ships supplied to me for free but keep the fittings aside. then fit them to a destroyer and shoot some noob in his rookie ship for lol's.
does what i did affect the eve economy adversely. i think not. anyway getting off topic once again
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xLuca Brasi
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
116
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Posted - 2013.11.24 21:17:00 -
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I just want to thank you for making this thread ADAM....
this was the thread that started me on my crusade with my main seymor krelborn...
o7
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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xLuca Brasi
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
121
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:09:00 -
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Luk Manag
of Terror TRE GAFFEL
183
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:34:00 -
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They shouldn't have tried to offer a refund. They should say, "We're removing the 180 plate and 10% passive from the isk market, but we can't touch those BPOs." That's a tricky situation for game designers, and complicated for future market economics, but having a few special modules in game is hardly game breaking and should remain untouched.
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
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NomaDz 2K
DUTY FR33
80
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:33:00 -
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A New Week of BPO Bumps due to the lack of responce from CCP - Tnx CCP for shoving it back into your faces |
Audrey2
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.11.26 00:17:00 -
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Luk Manag wrote:They shouldn't have tried to offer a refund. They should say, "We're removing the 180 plate and 10% passive from the isk market, but we can't touch those BPOs." That's a tricky situation for game designers, and complicated for future market economics, but having a few special modules in game is hardly game breaking and should remain untouched.
so true, especially if they manage to grow their player base.
then the amount of people who had bpo's would be so rare the economy would be bolstered by them, not crippled.
the problem is CCP lacks imagination with this game, and they keep trying to fix problems with a meatcleaver that require a scalpel.
doesn't anyone else find it disconcerting that a game that already lacks content is notorious for removing more content than it adds?
It's a terrible trend and counter productive for a game struggling to maintain a core following, let alone hoping to grow.
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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billy bloodbath2
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.11.26 22:46:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it.
simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone.
if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it.
but what can we do?
ccp seems to have all the power.
I don't think I'm gona buy stuff anymore, but I don't think they will care. |
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