DUST Search - bpo's... a sign of things to come

Name York wrote:

ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

There are also the BPOs that people acquired via the Eve Second Decade Collector's Edition. Then there are the BPOs acquired after putting massive effort into recruiting players and getting them to earn up to 100,000 WP each (50 players at least). How can CCP compensate for those BPOs if they get removed?

you are missing the point entirely. if ccp decided to change any item that a bpo is based on like they have done with the ones in 1.7 then they could just remove the bpo without warning like they are planning to do here. seeing as all bpo's are based on militia or standard gear then nothing is safe. yes some items are directly aquired through money items such as the templar gear. that being said these were supplied as bonus items so are in no way protected. same goes for recruit gear... bonus items. ccp could turn round and say they are removing them and there is nothing we can do about it as they were never purchased. aur bpo's on the other hand were purchased hence all the issues.

Screw that. I bought the eve second decade collectors edition just for the templar gear. I haven't redeemed any of the eve stuff. If they want my templar gear, I want a cash refund and I'll even send back the eve stuff.

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Name York 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 67	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:54:00 - [61] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: There are also the BPOs that people acquired via the Eve Second Decade Collector's Edition. Then there are the BPOs acquired after putting massive effort into recruiting players and getting them to earn up to 100,000 WP each (50 players at least). How can CCP compensate for those BPOs if they get removed? you are missing the point entirely. if ccp decided to change any item that a bpo is based on like they have done with the ones in 1.7 then they could just remove the bpo without warning like they are planning to do here. seeing as all bpo's are based on militia or standard gear then nothing is safe. yes some items are directly aquired through money items such as the templar gear. that being said these were supplied as bonus items so are in no way protected. same goes for recruit gear... bonus items. ccp could turn round and say they are removing them and there is nothing we can do about it as they were never purchased. aur bpo's on the other hand were purchased hence all the issues. Screw that. I bought the eve second decade collectors edition just for the templar gear. I haven't redeemed any of the eve stuff. If they want my templar gear, I want a cash refund and I'll even send back the eve stuff.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 539	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:54:00 - [62] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Assuming you are right that CCP has that power to remove all BPOs without consideration. Does CCP even have the balls of adimantium to do that right now? they had the balls to promise everyone no inventory bpo's would be removed... how long did that last.. 3 weeks tops and they did it anyway. it shows they have the balls to do whatever they want regardless of how the community will react. Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 539	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:56:00 - [63] - Quote Name York wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: There are also the BPOs that people acquired via the Eve Second Decade Collector's Edition. Then there are the BPOs acquired after putting massive effort into recruiting players and getting them to earn up to 100,000 WP each (50 players at least). How can CCP compensate for those BPOs if they get removed? you are missing the point entirely. if ccp decided to change any item that a bpo is based on like they have done with the ones in 1.7 then they could just remove the bpo without warning like they are planning to do here. seeing as all bpo's are based on militia or standard gear then nothing is safe. yes some items are directly aquired through money items such as the templar gear. that being said these were supplied as bonus items so are in no way protected. same goes for recruit gear... bonus items. ccp could turn round and say they are removing them and there is nothing we can do about it as they were never purchased. aur bpo's on the other hand were purchased hence all the issues. Screw that. I bought the eve second decade collectors edition just for the templar gear. I haven't redeemed any of the eve stuff. If they want my templar gear, I want a cash refund and I'll even send back the eve stuff. obviously im taking that point to the extreme but it just goes to show that this first stepping stone they have taken shows how vulnerable our bpo's really are to removal Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1286	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:56:00 - [64] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Assuming you are right that CCP has that power to remove all BPOs without consideration. Does CCP even have the balls of adimantium to do that right now? they had the balls to promise everyone no inventory bpo's would be removed... how long did that last.. 3 weeks tops and they did it anyway. it shows they have the balls to do whatever they want regardless of how the community will react. I hate ccp right now... I actually hate them. dishonest pieces of trash... insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5204	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:30:00 - [65] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Assuming you are right that CCP has that power to remove all BPOs without consideration. Does CCP even have the balls of adimantium to do that right now? they had the balls to promise everyone no inventory bpo's would be removed... how long did that last.. 3 weeks tops and they did it anyway. it shows they have the balls to do whatever they want regardless of how the community will react. Fine. Let them do it if you think they have the balls. Watch what happens with the player base. Hell hath no fury like a DUST merc scorned. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1290	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:22:00 - [66] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Assuming you are right that CCP has that power to remove all BPOs without consideration. Does CCP even have the balls of adimantium to do that right now? they had the balls to promise everyone no inventory bpo's would be removed... how long did that last.. 3 weeks tops and they did it anyway. it shows they have the balls to do whatever they want regardless of how the community will react. Fine. Let them do it if you think they have the balls. Watch what happens with the player base. Hell hath no fury like a DUST merc scorned. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 97	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:52:00 - [67] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it. simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone. if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. I'm already seeking legal advice and action against CCP. Come at me and my consumer rights CCP, I'll see you the Office of Fair Trading. I can has ISK
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 140	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:06:00 - [68] - Quote Name York wrote: Screw that. I bought the eve second decade collectors edition just for the templar gear. I haven't redeemed any of the eve stuff. If they want my templar gear, I want a cash refund and I'll even send back the eve stuff. Is there any way i can get the EvE stuffs from you? In game message me if yes. I'll be on this weekend. The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 515	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:23:00 - [69] - Quote low genius wrote: Skihids wrote: low genius wrote: bpo's are introductory items. the market is going to go live, so bpo's aren't effective anymore. No, BPOs were marketing items to generate cash sales for CCP. They are actually MORE effective now than when they were sold due to the tiericide implemented since early Beta, and that's why CCP is having second thoughts about them. understand that if they continue to exist they'll be a manufacturing item and not something you wear. in eve you don't have some 'infinite ship' that you can run around in. well TECHNICALITY you do as long as you habe the resources to build it...
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1309	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:26:00 - [70] - Quote SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!

Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1310	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:04:00 - [71] - Quote SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10462	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:06:00 - [72] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it. simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone. if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. You do realize that... ALL 180MM plates are getting Removed. ALL Shield Regenerators getting Removed ALL Shield Resistance Amplifiers getting Removed ALL Power Diagnostic Systems getting Removed With no replacements right? CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 545	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:39:00 - [73] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it. simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone. if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. You do realize that... ALL 180MM plates are getting Removed. ALL Shield Regenerators getting Removed ALL Shield Resistance Amplifiers getting Removed ALL Power Diagnostic Systems getting Removed With no replacements right? with what they are doing in 1.7 all ccp has to do to remove all militia bpo's is say that militia gear is not working anymore and then remove it. now there are no more militia items so bpo's are obsolite and then they take them from us. then they might decide that they want rid of militia/standard suits so they decide to remove standard varients from the game and replace them with something different but similar. now those bpo's based on those suits are removed because they dont exist anymore. what happens if they decide that lavs were a mistake and want to use atv's and mav's instead. now lav's have no place in dust so they remove those aswell. not saying they will but they have set the ball rolling now with 1.7. they have already show they will go back on anything they have said Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 545	Posted - 2013.11.21 08:01:00 - [74] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Hey all, We just wanted to clarify statements made about the removal of BPOs. We are in the process of removing BPOs from the market. We have already removed them from the in game market, and we will eventually be removing them from packs available on the PSN Store. We are not removing any existing BPOs from any player inventories and there are no plans to do so. BPOs are currently not functioning as intended so we are looking at the way they work in game. Again, we would like to reiterate that they will not be removed from any inventories. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1408798#post1408798 1.7 was set in motion months ago. this statement was weeks ago Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 155	Posted - 2013.11.21 17:01:00 - [75] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: seems to me ccp has found a way to rid us of our bpo's and there is nothing we can do about it. simply change how that specific module works or remove the militia version of it and its gone. if you want to keep your bpo's you need to put your foot down now before they go too far and there is nothing we can do about it. You do realize that... ALL 180MM plates are getting Removed. ALL Shield Regenerators getting Removed ALL Shield Resistance Amplifiers getting Removed ALL Power Diagnostic Systems getting Removed With no replacements right? Out of curiosity while we do know that these items are being removed what my understanding is that many of these items will be back after "going back to basics" wave of balancing. So, don't we expect to see these items returning at some point? I.E a passive resist module, Shield regen module, etc.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1976	Posted - 2013.11.21 17:12:00 - [76] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Hey all, We just wanted to clarify statements made about the removal of BPOs. We are in the process of removing BPOs from the market. We have already removed them from the in game market, and we will eventually be removing them from packs available on the PSN Store. We are not removing any existing BPOs from any player inventories and there are no plans to do so. BPOs are currently not functioning as intended so we are looking at the way they work in game. Again, we would like to reiterate that they will not be removed from any inventories. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1408798#post1408798 1.7 was set in motion months ago. this statement was weeks ago. i would just like to point out the "no plans to do so" part What about "no plans to do so" are you confused about? That means at the time of that statement they didn't plan on removing them. Then they changed their minds. If they would have said "we are NOT going to...." then you could throw a hissy fit. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 547	Posted - 2013.11.21 17:15:00 - [77] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Hey all, We just wanted to clarify statements made about the removal of BPOs. We are in the process of removing BPOs from the market. We have already removed them from the in game market, and we will eventually be removing them from packs available on the PSN Store. We are not removing any existing BPOs from any player inventories and there are no plans to do so. BPOs are currently not functioning as intended so we are looking at the way they work in game. Again, we would like to reiterate that they will not be removed from any inventories. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1408798#post1408798 1.7 was set in motion months ago. this statement was weeks ago. i would just like to point out the "no plans to do so" part What about "no plans to do so" are you confused about? That means at the time of that statement they didn't plan on removing them. Then they changed their minds. If they would have said "we are NOT going to...." then you could throw a hissy fit. they did say they were not going to. hence the statement above. also vehicle changes have been pushed back twice but for the most part everything had already been set in motion but they just needed more time which says to me they knew already these items were going to be removed and chose not to mention anything about it Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Ku Shala Exiled Veteran Elite 657	Posted - 2013.11.21 17:16:00 - [78] - Quote you guys are crying about 4 BPO's that are being removed because they will have no function I see no BPO vehicles listed or any modules that will be usable with the new skill tree. this game is getting so sad the forum isn't even fun anymore just a bunch of whinning berries First General of Exiled Veteran Elite Loyalty Is not always rewarded Serving Caldari State
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 547	Posted - 2013.11.21 17:19:00 - [79] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: you guys are crying about 4 BPO's that are being removed because they will have no function I see no BPO vehicles listed or any modules that will be usable with the new skill tree. this game is getting so sad the forum isn't even fun anymore just a bunch of whinning berries this is not about the bpos that are getting removed. its about how they are being removed and how vulnerable this will leave all our bpos to future removals. not to mention they said they were not going to do this but then snook it into the patch without warning Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 547	Posted - 2013.11.21 17:27:00 - [80] - Quote if ccp spoke to us before stuff like this happened then no one would care but they have a nack for sneaking things in that p****s people off. if they had said a few weeks ago "look we have no plans to remove your bpo's but there is a chance we may have to change some in the future because of some module changes.... if this happened how would you like us to deal with it" etc everything would have been fine and as a community we could have come up with something everyone or most people would accept. this would have put the fate of bpo's in our own hands instead of having them ripped from our grasp with no warning Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5228	Posted - 2013.11.21 20:00:00 - [81] - Quote Adam, please take the time to read this. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122605&find=unread Also, try answering the question presented in that thread. It's very important. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 155	Posted - 2013.11.21 20:13:00 - [82] - Quote "can't see the forest for the trees"
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 550	Posted - 2013.11.21 20:47:00 - [83] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Adam, please take the time to read this. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122605&find=unread Also, try answering the question presented in that thread. It's very important. i have no concern of the cost or where they were bought from. it is irrelevant to my argument and a completely different issue altogether. my issue is and always has been how they are doing this and what this means for all bpo's in the future. saying 1 thing and doing another is deceptive off ccp. remember ccp had a massive drive in the month leading up to bpo removal from the market for everyone to buy bpo's before they were gone. the issue here is not that they are going, its not that we are getting a refund. its that ccp is being all cloak and dagger about it and that the way they have done it leaves all bpo's at risk Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:39:00 - [84] - Quote why isn't this still on page 1?
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 553	Posted - 2013.11.22 17:35:00 - [85] - Quote people have not grasped exactly what i'm getting at. i have explained it best i can. i will just favourite this topic and when ccp removes something big like lav bpo's or weapon and suit bpo's i will bring this out again and play the old "I TOLD YOU SO" Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 370	Posted - 2013.11.22 21:27:00 - [86] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: By the way, I still have the BPO for the Yellow Stamina mod which only gives bonus to stamina amount and that's it. All ISK variants and their cheap AUR variants were removed yet many of us who bought the BPO still have the BPO variant. Me too :/ Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Meta Gaming V > Proficiency I
Dust Junky 4Life Shitstorm Inc 187	Posted - 2013.11.22 21:44:00 - [87] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Nice fear mongering there. Too bad it won't work. CCP already said they won't do anything else with the rest of the BPOs. Logibro also stated "no bpo's would be removed from player accounts" I think Fox said "there are no plane to remove any other bpo's in the "NEAR FUTURE". In order for the market to work, ALL bpo's would need to be removed. I am making 100% profit by using nothing but bpo's. They will remove them a few at a time until they no longer exists. A Shitstorm is coming...........
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 136	Posted - 2013.11.22 21:46:00 - [88] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: people have not grasped exactly what i'm getting at. i have explained it best i can. i will just favourite this topic and when ccp removes something big like lav bpo's or weapon and suit bpo's i will bring this out again and play the old "I TOLD YOU SO" Me too, then I can laugh at all the other people who didn't bother to pipe up when they had the chance and support me. I can has ISK
skippy678 F.T.U. 133	Posted - 2013.11.22 21:48:00 - [89] - Quote Do you think that CCP has enough money for some great lawyers? if not already has some on payrole? Stop the threads ..BPO's are gone and there is nothing that you can do about it. If every second thread is this **** im gonna quit the forums and not the game. U.play.good? F.T.U. Recruiting Thread
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 555	Posted - 2013.11.22 22:20:00 - [90] - Quote i couldn't care less about compensation. i haven't once said anything about it. its all about the integrity of ccp. for them to blatantly lie to the community for weeks and then just throw this at us. thats the problem here. the truth came out in vegas and instead of being honest they decided to cool the community by lying to us. remember all that outrage that forced ccp to come up with the statement in the first place. it is only because the bpo's currently being removed are insignificant that the rest of the community has not got involved like they did then. mark my words. as soon as ccp starts messing with peoples fits then the ***** going to hit the fan, only at that time ccp will say "we did this before and no one cared" Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find



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