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Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1261	Posted - 2013.11.20 09:39:00 - [61] - Quote I find it funny. I have a month of mostly hardcore PC experience, and I never remember seeing you or your corp on the other side. Do you have any PC experience? If not, don't talk to me about roles and responsibilities in a squad. PC counts, ambush doesn't. As a tanker, I have to take on the other team's tanks, forge guns on roofs, AV infantry on the ground, and the odd infantry with AV grenades, not to forget enemy orbitals, but thankfully I've never been the victim of an EVE strike. Counting it (hint: you can do it with one hand), I have to worry about 5 things. At all times, because AV can come from literally anywhere. I once had a red dot crash his dropship into the redline to kill me, then he tried to hack my tank. When you have to worry about people with such a rabid hatred for something, then you can talk with any kind of authority. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1013	Posted - 2013.11.20 09:44:00 - [62] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Heh heh I love it, you think it is shortsighted? Because I take a weapon, I take a role in my squad and I do it? I rely on my squad to cover my short-comings, my squad relies on me to covers their's, we each have jobs we do, it's not my fault you simply cannot understand that. No, shortsighted that you seem to be skilled into only one gun. You just want tankers to be nerfed even more by limited us to one turret type and one hull type. You don't have to worry about vehicles on Call of Duty. You don't have to worry about anything on call of duty, like I said it's not short sighted that I have skilled into 1 gun, that gun fits my role. I don't NEED anymore than that weapon to be effective. Speccing into anything else is really just a waste of SP. But of course, you don't understand that do you? As a tanker you need to be able to adapt to EVERY SINGLE SITUATION you might ever come across, you don't think perhaps you should specialize into one role and let someone else spec into another role? Tell you what let's think about the long game here, when they start increasing the number of players a match, there will be more tanks on the field, there will be more tankers on the field. You won't need to cover all bases, you will be dispatched to the fights where you can help out the most. The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1013	Posted - 2013.11.20 09:48:00 - [63] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: I find it funny. I have a month of mostly hardcore PC experience, and I never remember seeing you or your corp on the other side. Do you have any PC experience? If not, don't talk to me about roles and responsibilities in a squad. PC counts, ambush doesn't. As a tanker, I have to take on the other team's tanks, forge guns on roofs, AV infantry on the ground, and the odd infantry with AV grenades, not to forget enemy orbitals, but thankfully I've never been the victim of an EVE strike. Counting it (hint: you can do it with one hand), I have to worry about 5 things. At all times, because AV can come from literally anywhere. I once had a red dot crash his dropship into the redline to kill me, then he tried to hack my tank. When you have to worry about people with such a rabid hatred for something, then you can talk with any kind of authority. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Guy's look at this, look he pulled the ReGuYuM argument, he has PC experience, he MUST be so much better than me! I must really be getting somewhere now! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Yes I have PC experience, no I never believe I have had the pleasure of getting to kill your whiney **** in a match. The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 106	Posted - 2013.11.20 09:50:00 - [64] - Quote oh look kids! a re.t.ard. (ooooh)yea, get a good look kids. recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1013	Posted - 2013.11.20 09:58:00 - [65] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: oh look kids! a re.t.ard. (ooooh)yea, get a good look kids. Spkr4thedead wrote: Infantry just cannot accept that the best counter to a tank should be another tank. No, it has to be infantry weapons, that are each all more powerful than a turret. That's like saying a 40mm 203 round is more powerful than the main gun of an Abrams. 'nough said! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Lorhak Gannarsein 615	Posted - 2013.11.20 10:11:00 - [66] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Vell0cet wrote: The SP sinks make sense to me. This game is designed to be around for many years. At the current pace, people would exhaust their options too quickly. The idea is that you can't ever have everything (by design). Completely maxing out the vehicle tree should take years of SP. Look at EVE, the system works well. We currently have maxed hulls and turrets with the skill trees as they are right now. We're looking at a lot more for say, both tank hulls and all 3 turret types maxed out, and that's not even including the small turrets, just the large ones. Huge SP sink and in general, a huge disappointment. I just hope they give pilots a full respec of all skills so we could attempt to build up a tank that won't be destroyed by a STD mass driver. Sorry but why do you need access to ALL 3 Heavy Turrets, ALL 3 Light Turrets and BOTH Tank Hulls? That's like saying in order to be effective on the field, I need access to ALL medium suits, ALL light weapons and ALL Equipment. Have you considered that they might want you to go into 1 hull, maybe 2 heavy turrets, and maybe 2 light turrets! Yeah! I love it when I'm using my Laser, and the map is that underground one and everyone on the other team is a shotgunner! Makes it really easy to kill everyone! oh wait. one weapon is not suited to all situations. GTFO. It still takes me 14M to max out a Madrugar with proto large and small blasters. Yeah, which is why you have a squad, for example if I were to join your squad and we were fighting down those hallways my Mass Driver would be perfect, but if we were to go out onto fractured road, or just to leave the research facility, my Mass Driver would be useless I wouldn't kill anyone, but you with your LASER would butcher people. You can't expect as pilot to be able to adjust to every situation just by switching out. I don't do it with my suit, if I am running logi I can't swap out for another weapon when I feel like,because my team are expecting the benefits of my Mass Driver when they need it. If I have swapped out because we have moved into a different theater I leave my squad open to a weakness! so you GTFO For what it's worth, I have, aside from my tank fittings, which are optimised for a variety of purposes, several infantry fittings; among those is an Ishukone Forge gun fitting, a support logi fitting, an AssaultLogi fitting and an assault fitting. What you're saying is that tankers should have one fitting, even though you can have heaps. GTFO.
Lorhak Gannarsein 615	Posted - 2013.11.20 10:13:00 - [67] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: I find it funny. I have a month of mostly hardcore PC experience, and I never remember seeing you or your corp on the other side. Do you have any PC experience? If not, don't talk to me about roles and responsibilities in a squad. PC counts, ambush doesn't. As a tanker, I have to take on the other team's tanks, forge guns on roofs, AV infantry on the ground, and the odd infantry with AV grenades, not to forget enemy orbitals, but thankfully I've never been the victim of an EVE strike. Counting it (hint: you can do it with one hand), I have to worry about 5 things. At all times, because AV can come from literally anywhere. I once had a red dot crash his dropship into the redline to kill me, then he tried to hack my tank. When you have to worry about people with such a rabid hatred for something, then you can talk with any kind of authority. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Guy's look at this, look he pulled the ReGuYuM argument, he has PC experience, he MUST be so much better than me! I must really be getting somewhere now! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Yes I have PC experience, no I never believe I have had the pleasure of getting to kill your whiney **** in a match. 5 things, that's all you have to worry about? As infantry: Redberries Blueberries my health my squad ownership of objectives Red Vehicles Traps Blue Vehicles Transport you have it easy my friend, you sit in your tank and kill infantry to your heart's content, good for you! *five things that cause me to lose 1M ISK+ or more inside 10s. Please describe to me an infantry fitting that is capable of the same thing.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1013	Posted - 2013.11.20 10:14:00 - [68] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: We currently have maxed hulls and turrets with the skill trees as they are right now. We're looking at a lot more for say, both tank hulls and all 3 turret types maxed out, and that's not even including the small turrets, just the large ones. Huge SP sink and in general, a huge disappointment. I just hope they give pilots a full respec of all skills so we could attempt to build up a tank that won't be destroyed by a STD mass driver. Sorry but why do you need access to ALL 3 Heavy Turrets, ALL 3 Light Turrets and BOTH Tank Hulls? That's like saying in order to be effective on the field, I need access to ALL medium suits, ALL light weapons and ALL Equipment. Have you considered that they might want you to go into 1 hull, maybe 2 heavy turrets, and maybe 2 light turrets! Yeah! I love it when I'm using my Laser, and the map is that underground one and everyone on the other team is a shotgunner! Makes it really easy to kill everyone! oh wait. one weapon is not suited to all situations. GTFO. It still takes me 14M to max out a Madrugar with proto large and small blasters. Yeah, which is why you have a squad, for example if I were to join your squad and we were fighting down those hallways my Mass Driver would be perfect, but if we were to go out onto fractured road, or just to leave the research facility, my Mass Driver would be useless I wouldn't kill anyone, but you with your LASER would butcher people. You can't expect as pilot to be able to adjust to every situation just by switching out. I don't do it with my suit, if I am running logi I can't swap out for another weapon when I feel like,because my team are expecting the benefits of my Mass Driver when they need it. If I have swapped out because we have moved into a different theater I leave my squad open to a weakness! so you GTFO For what it's worth, I have, aside from my tank fittings, which are optimised for a variety of purposes, several infantry fittings; among those is an Ishukone Forge gun fitting, a support logi fitting, an AssaultLogi fitting and an assault fitting. What you're saying is that tankers should have one fitting, even though you can have heaps. GTFO. You can heaps of fittings but do you need them? Do you need one for every situation, right away, from the word go? You can have heaps of fittings EVENTUALLY but really you should specialize first, surely? The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1013	Posted - 2013.11.20 10:18:00 - [69] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: I find it funny. I have a month of mostly hardcore PC experience, and I never remember seeing you or your corp on the other side. Do you have any PC experience? If not, don't talk to me about roles and responsibilities in a squad. PC counts, ambush doesn't. As a tanker, I have to take on the other team's tanks, forge guns on roofs, AV infantry on the ground, and the odd infantry with AV grenades, not to forget enemy orbitals, but thankfully I've never been the victim of an EVE strike. Counting it (hint: you can do it with one hand), I have to worry about 5 things. At all times, because AV can come from literally anywhere. I once had a red dot crash his dropship into the redline to kill me, then he tried to hack my tank. When you have to worry about people with such a rabid hatred for something, then you can talk with any kind of authority. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Guy's look at this, look he pulled the ReGuYuM argument, he has PC experience, he MUST be so much better than me! I must really be getting somewhere now! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Yes I have PC experience, no I never believe I have had the pleasure of getting to kill your whiney **** in a match. 5 things, that's all you have to worry about? As infantry: Redberries Blueberries my health my squad ownership of objectives Red Vehicles Traps Blue Vehicles Transport you have it easy my friend, you sit in your tank and kill infantry to your heart's content, good for you! five things that cause me to lose 1M ISK+ or more inside 10s. Please describe to me an infantry fitting that is capable of the same thing. The money argument? Five things that cause me to loose 1M ISK in less than 10s? Nothing, I don't spawn back in time. How many different weapons can kill your tank? + How many times you will actually loose a Tank per match? The pen is mightier than the sword* The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1262	Posted - 2013.11.20 10:20:00 - [70] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Heh heh I love it, you think it is shortsighted? Because I take a weapon, I take a role in my squad and I do it? I rely on my squad to cover my short-comings, my squad relies on me to covers their's, we each have jobs we do, it's not my fault you simply cannot understand that. No, shortsighted that you seem to be skilled into only one gun. You just want tankers to be nerfed even more by limited us to one turret type and one hull type. You don't have to worry about vehicles on Call of Duty. You don't have to worry about anything on call of duty, like I said it's not short sighted that I have skilled into 1 gun, that gun fits my role. I don't NEED anymore than that weapon to be effective. Speccing into anything else is really just a waste of SP. But of course, you don't understand that do you? As a tanker you need to be able to adapt to EVERY SINGLE SITUATION you might ever come across, you don't think perhaps you should specialize into one role and let someone else spec into another role? Tell you what let's think about the long game here, when they start increasing the number of players a match, there will be more tanks on the field, there will be more tankers on the field. You won't need to cover all bases, you will be dispatched to the fights where you can help out the most. I trust the people I've gamed with for a while completely. My corp I trust a little less because I've been with them for a month. I trust other tankers on here to hold their end of the line. What I don't trust, are randoms that jump into my tank, then get angry when I don't drive them towards the battle, because you wanna know why? Because they're useless, firing at the MCC, or firing at a tank I'm trying to sneak up on, or firing at a red installation I'm not yet ready to engage, maybe because I'm waiting for a module. As such, I make it my responsibility to have a tank for every situation. I honestly cannot understand why you think it's such a bad thing, that a tanker should be limited to one type of hull and one type of turret. If I'm alone as a tanker, and the enemy team has 4, don't you think it's wise I stay towards the back and harass them with a railgun? If it's two shield tanks on the field, is it not smart to go after them with a blaster? If there's an armor tank on the field with what we deem less than optimum HP, isn't it wise to go after it with a missile tank? I understand all aspects of tanking, and am equipped and ready to deploy the tank that is needed. You, however, are equipped with one weapon, and can only handle a limited field of engagement, when I can handle everything from next to my hull to 600m out. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1262	Posted - 2013.11.20 10:24:00 - [71] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: The money argument? Five things that cause me to loose 1M ISK in less than 10s? Nothing, I don't spawn back in time. How many different weapons can kill your tank? + How many times you will actually loose a Tank per match? Here we go, with the "how many weapons can kill your tank" argument. Probably everything, if the target vehicle is weak enough, except for the pistol and SMG. You forget the potency of AV weapons, probably because you don't use them. I know how powerful AV can be, because I'm on both sides of that coin. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1015	Posted - 2013.11.20 10:35:00 - [72] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: The money argument? Five things that cause me to loose 1M ISK in less than 10s? Nothing, I don't spawn back in time. How many different weapons can kill your tank? + How many times you will actually loose a Tank per match? Here we go, with the "how many weapons can kill your tank" argument. Probably everything, if the target vehicle is weak enough, except for the pistol and SMG. You forget the potency of AV weapons, probably because you don't use them. I know how powerful AV can be, because I'm on both sides of that coin. Answer the second question then. I'm not saying you CAN'T have a tank for every situation, but it should take a considerable amount of time. Don't forget tankers on average get a higher ISK and SP payout a match. So the sinks are going to be wider than infantry, and based on the stats previously it's not that bad by comparison. Also many of your core skills should transfer to other tank fits, you EVENTUALLY earn. As for passangers, yeah I understand, they can be absoulte **holes, fortunately you will be able to remove turrets, and their respective seat from you tank. I would have prefered they provided a carrot method to incentivise having team mates in your tank with you, but that is by the by. Yes if an armor tank has less than optimum HP I would expect a Missile Tanker to take care of him, I wouldn't necessarily expect a blaster tanker to disappear for 10 mins come back, blow it up, disappear for 10 mins, come back as blaster. Especially if I was commanding forces, I want be able to go, Spkr, we need HAV assistance over at C, go in and help clear out the enemy.* What about that missile tank over E? Don't Worry I've got someone else on that, we have a missile tank specialist mobilizing now The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1263	Posted - 2013.11.20 10:47:00 - [73] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: [lolbrainfartderrrrrrrrrr] Dude.......................... I already have over 25mil SP. Who the hell are you to tell me I can't max out all my turret and vehicle skills? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Vell0cet Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 571	Posted - 2013.11.20 10:47:00 - [74] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: [complaining] Translation. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1016	Posted - 2013.11.20 10:50:00 - [75] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: [lolbrainfartderrrrrrrrrr] Dude.......................... I already have over 25mil SP. Who the hell are you to tell me I can't max out all my turret and vehicle skills? Who am I tell you, who are you tell me? Why are we even arguing, we are both clearly WRONG as far as we are both concerned and you will just never be happy! I shall now continue to beat you with logic you are to childish to understand on your own thread! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 278	Posted - 2013.11.20 13:27:00 - [76] - Quote The gap is only 3 mil huh? Not as shocking as I thought it would be. The only thing I look forward to as a drop ship pilot is the day that team and map sizes are bigger and people want drop ships rather than ignore them. I feel like I may take a break again sometime and come back as one of the only pilots left. Flying is what I do in dust, aside from grinding to fly. I'll probably still be doing it a few years from now.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 106	Posted - 2013.11.20 13:29:00 - [77] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: The gap is only 3 mil huh? Not as shocking as I thought it would be. The only thing I look forward to as a drop ship pilot is the day that team and map sizes are bigger and people want drop ships rather than ignore them. I feel like I may take a break again sometime and come back as one of the only pilots left. Flying is what I do in dust, aside from grinding to fly. I'll probably still be doing it a few years from now. you've got a pilot with 12 mil isk python recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
GVGMODE WorstPlayersEver 82	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:31:00 - [78] - Quote I believe it is good time to leave Dust since getting that huge amount of skill points plus pilot suit would be such a huge time investment, rather go play ps4 games and leave this crap behind since CCP rarely ACTS when there is an issue.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2436	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:51:00 - [79] - Quote I'll probably max out a Logistics and Assault suit, Dropsuit Upgrades, two light weapons, and one sidearm before saving SP to get back into vehicles. That should be around 36M SP. Being versatile as infantry is also rather expensive and grabbing level five in all those skills requires over a year of full boosting. Does that match up with skilling a shield and armor dropship with a couple types of turrets and associated support modules, or is piloting even more SP intensive?
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 107	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:52:00 - [80] - Quote I just can't wait til after the first three months after the changes are in place . I want to say first month but that's too soon , so I will say three but it will more than likely take a little longer . You people that are applauding these changes WILL sing a different song when it's all said and done . Again there really is NO difference between the first tier tanks and what's left , besides the fact that one will be easier to destroy than the others , that doesn't sound different than what we had . Now militia has more mods ( the same but with longer cool down times ) and while that's fine and dandy there is NO creativity in this concept . Now you will have NO excuse as to why you will die easier besides the table being stacked against you . No variety , no logic , no foresight , no opinion , no options , no change but for the worst , no sense , not a chance and not fun at all . The Judge made a post asking , " How will we reload ...????.... seeing as how some ( if not most ) of the storage depots are unreachable by vehicles ???? " Again something to address afterwards . Have fun people , with my second chance I will invest in forge guns . I have SOOOOO many Gatsun's in my salvage it's silly and I will be waiting at those storage depots for ALL of YOU who have clapped their hands in admiration of these brainless changes . I just can't wait . " Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .

MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 45	Posted - 2013.11.20 16:10:00 - [81] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: I'm not saying you CAN'T have a tank for every situation, but it should take a considerable amount of time. Don't forget tankers on average get a higher ISK and SP payout a match. So the sinks are going to be wider than infantry, and based on the stats previously it's not that bad by comparison. High payouts compared to what? the 4 people fresh out of academy who don't manage to do anything all round? Because if you want to know who's actually getting the high payouts it sure as hell isn't tanks, its logi's - I can earn 200+ wps for picking up a dead heavy and repping him up to full hp with militia gear. Tanks don't get anything even comparable in terms of sp/isk payouts unless the whole enemy team refuses to use any av at all.
pdiddy anfama KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 77	Posted - 2013.11.20 16:22:00 - [82] - Quote Calling for a nerf to the forge gun! Vehicles are not viable as everyone who was will be a forge gunner or HMG.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1022	Posted - 2013.11.20 16:40:00 - [83] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I'm not saying you CAN'T have a tank for every situation, but it should take a considerable amount of time. Don't forget tankers on average get a higher ISK and SP payout a match. So the sinks are going to be wider than infantry, and based on the stats previously it's not that bad by comparison. High payouts compared to what? the 4 people fresh out of academy who don't manage to do anything all round? Because if you want to know who's actually getting the high payouts it sure as hell isn't tanks, its logi's - I can earn 200+ wps for picking up a dead heavy and repping him up to full hp with militia gear. Tanks don't get anything even comparable in terms of sp/isk payouts unless the whole enemy team refuses to use any av at all. And as you see a logi suit has a lot of requirements just like the tank, standard infantry usually get paid 210,000 isk for a public anyway, what do tankers get, I'd hazard around 280,000 based on my tanking Alt! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 325	Posted - 2013.11.20 17:01:00 - [84] - Quote +1 to the OP. Blah, blah, blah, 7 years, blah, blah, blah,.... New sp sinks are not needed.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1270	Posted - 2013.11.20 18:15:00 - [85] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: [lolbrainfartderrrrrrrrrr] Dude.......................... I already have over 25mil SP. Who the hell are you to tell me I can't max out all my turret and vehicle skills? Who am I tell you, who are you tell me? Why are we even arguing, we are both clearly WRONG as far as we are both concerned and you will just never be happy! I shall now continue to beat you with logic you are to childish to understand on your own thread! You don't have any logic. You're trying to make a case that I shouldn't be allowed to skill into a second hull type, or second or third turret type. That's exactly what it sounds like! Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1270	Posted - 2013.11.20 18:17:00 - [86] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I'm not saying you CAN'T have a tank for every situation, but it should take a considerable amount of time. Don't forget tankers on average get a higher ISK and SP payout a match. So the sinks are going to be wider than infantry, and based on the stats previously it's not that bad by comparison. High payouts compared to what? the 4 people fresh out of academy who don't manage to do anything all round? Because if you want to know who's actually getting the high payouts it sure as hell isn't tanks, its logi's - I can earn 200+ wps for picking up a dead heavy and repping him up to full hp with militia gear. Tanks don't get anything even comparable in terms of sp/isk payouts unless the whole enemy team refuses to use any av at all. And as you see a logi suit has a lot of requirements just like the tank, standard infantry usually get paid 210,000 isk for a public anyway, what do tankers get, I'd hazard around 280,000 based on my tanking Alt! LOL Yeah right you have a tanking alt. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Monkey Marikoko Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.11.20 18:30:00 - [87] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I'm not saying you CAN'T have a tank for every situation, but it should take a considerable amount of time. Don't forget tankers on average get a higher ISK and SP payout a match. So the sinks are going to be wider than infantry, and based on the stats previously it's not that bad by comparison. High payouts compared to what? the 4 people fresh out of academy who don't manage to do anything all round? Because if you want to know who's actually getting the high payouts it sure as hell isn't tanks, its logi's - I can earn 200+ wps for picking up a dead heavy and repping him up to full hp with militia gear. Tanks don't get anything even comparable in terms of sp/isk payouts unless the whole enemy team refuses to use any av at all. And as you see a logi suit has a lot of requirements just like the tank, standard infantry usually get paid 210,000 isk for a public anyway, what do tankers get, I'd hazard around 280,000 based on my tanking Alt! LOL Yeah right you have a tanking alt. Sup Bendaeho? Heh heh, bet you were expecting that, eh loco? I'll see you inferiority on the battlefield, see you real soon, esse! Monkey's are the more intelligent species!
darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 180	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:28:00 - [88] - Quote Its ment to be high or everyone will go into viehicals "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2437	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:52:00 - [89] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: Its ment to be high or everyone will go into viehicals The high cost will definitely ensure pilots will be serious about their career. I dont want to deny anyone the joy and challenge of piloting, but a part of me is ok with delaying that gratification if it also means vehicles will be worth waiting for.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10445	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:32:00 - [90] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: I love this post, you do realize it takes half as much SP to take everything to level 4? This idea that everything has to be maxed in order to be usable is ridiculous. ok enjoy 60-80 second cooldowns, weak tank..... What if I dont fit around modules with cooldowns? Armor FTW. enjoy? slow? regen? enjoy long CD hardeners I don't have room for a hardener, my tank gets full health in 20 seconds. Engagement window places her about 4 seconds though if I get harassed and don't get out. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked



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