DUST Search - 1.7 Dropship Viability Numbers & Thoughts

EternalRMG wrote:

Vulpes Dolosus wrote:

EternalRMG wrote:

Vulpes Dolosus wrote:

Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds):

-Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible).

-Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between.

-Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp)

I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell.

After Some Math :

Using a Complex Light Armor Repper, Complex 60mm Armor Plates, and a complex armor hardener
+ a Complex afterburner and a Proto Turret
The Incubus can reach 3046 HP without the hardener and 4264 WITH the hardener

2 Python fits I made in the fitting tool I edited (max skills, but in reality not much in needed):

Extender:
- -: Basic Heavy Shield Extender (yes, they fit Lol

), 2 Complex Shield Hardeners
-: Complex PG Upgrade
T: X-1 Missile

Stats: 3196 ehp (2,236 shield, 960 armor) passive; 12,655 ehp (11,695 shield, 960 armor) both hardeners active (30sec on, 45sec off); 6,550 ehp (5,590 shield, 960 armor) active staggered (1min on, 15sec off)

Booster:
- -: Complex Light Booster, 2 Complex Shield Hardeners
-: Complex Ammo Cache
T: X-1 Missile

Stats: 2,508 ehp (1,548 s, 960 a) passive; 9,056 ehp (8,096 s, 960 a) active, both hardeners (30sec on, 45sec off); 4,830 ehp(3,870 s, 960 a) active staggered (1min on, 15sec off) + an instantaneous 900 base shield ehp (1260 with one hardener, 1573 with two hardeners).

I guess you havent calculated the Staking penalties. With Penalties Applied your first fit reaches 5k TOTAL HP with both hardeners on, while your second fit just 3800 Total HP

You have to multiply Both hardener with eachother (0.4 x 0.4) and then apply that new number to the Ammount of shields you have

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Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 72	Posted - 2013.11.19 19:38:00 - [1] - Quote Sooo, looking at the new Assault Dropship stats, I have a few thoughts and opinions, and I would like to get some feedback from other pilots and vehicle aficionados. 1. Python vs Incubus So obviously the Incubus has more HP. But does it really? Lets take a look. Assuming explosives still do 20% more to armor. Linky I did not include forge guns in these calcs. But you can assume your own numbers, they do 10% more to armor. Incubus Total HP: 3312 Shield: 850 Armor: 2382 Lets take a look at the real HP vs swarms and AV grenades (explosive). Shield: (850 x .2) + 850 = 1020 Armor 2382 - (2382 x .2) = 1905.6 Armor + Shield = 2925.6 total HP vs swarms and AV grenades Python Total HP: 2508 Shield: 1548 Armor: 960 Real HP vs swarms and AV grenades (explosive). Shield: (1548 x .2) + 1548 = 1857.6 Armor: 960 - (960 x.2) = 768 Armor + Shield = 2625.6 total HP vs swarms As we can see, the Incubus only has about 10% more real HP vs explosives. Is it worth it? Python has the benefit of extremely buffed shield recharge rates, while the incubus has to rely on passive armor repairers. Python is faster and more maneuverable, and doesn't have to sacrifice any of its slots in order to repair itself. Not to mention, the Python skill gives bonuses to Missile Turrets, arguably the only turrets used for the gun on an ADS. Missile turrets are also getting a huge buff in splash damage. Looking at the new stats for turrets and and dropships, in my opinion, Python will be far superior to the Incubus, which by my eye looks extremely gimped. Thoughts? Comments? Shoot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7814	Posted - 2013.11.19 19:42:00 - [2] - Quote Aw man and here I was thinking this patch was all awesome.... Who uses hybrids on an assault dropship? Man, now my Incubus fit actually is destroyed I guess with a lot more skill on my part, and if the blasters actually don't suck now, it might sort of work out. All my turret skills are in missiles, so that all better be refunded as well. There has to be a respec or CCP is in for a logistical nightmare trying to refund select skills. Words / Vids / OSG
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 461	Posted - 2013.11.19 19:44:00 - [3] - Quote In general I read it as the ADS's will have less health overall than the standard DS but will also recharge shields quicker. If the ADS retains its more nimble manoeuvrability then it can make all the difference. But I don't care, My ship wasn't in the blog so I didn't really bother looking at it in any detail "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 300	Posted - 2013.11.19 19:55:00 - [4] - Quote Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane Kills- Incubus: 2; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 10
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 73	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:00:00 - [5] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. Yeah dude, Python seems like the way to go. The only benefit I see that the Incubus gets is the 10% more HP over the Python But honestly it doesn't seem worth it considering all the benefits you get out on a Python. Unless there are more benefits to using an Incubus? I don't know I can't really think or see any.
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 461	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:01:00 - [6] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. The 4 sec 224hp/s is the shield recharge, not a repper. But yes it is impressive "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:08:00 - [7] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. After Some Math : Using a Complex Light Armor Repper, Complex 60mm Armor Plates, and a complex armor hardener + a Complex afterburner and a Proto Turret The Incubus can reach 3046 HP without the hardener and 4264 WITH the hardener "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 73	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:10:00 - [8] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. After Some Math : Using a Complex Light Armor Repper, Complex 60mm Armor Plates, and a complex armor hardener + a Complex afterburner and a Proto Turret The Incubus can reach 3046 HP without the hardener and 4264 WITH the hardener Did you factor in the 20% damage bonus to shields?
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 504	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:14:00 - [9] - Quote Caldari master race.
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:14:00 - [10] - Quote Virtual Riot wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. After Some Math : Using a Complex Light Armor Repper, Complex 60mm Armor Plates, and a complex armor hardener + a Complex afterburner and a Proto Turret The Incubus can reach 3046 HP without the hardener and 4264 WITH the hardener Did you factor in the 20% damage bonus to shields? Nope because im Talking about the total HP but i forgot to add the Shields :D SO AFter the math after the math the Incubus Max HP with that fit and with Hardener on is 5214, what i find a PRETTY DECENT NUMBER. The incubus wont be the hit n run vehicle it is now, or that the python will eventually be, but it will last longer on focused battles "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7818	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:16:00 - [11] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Nope because im Talking about the total HP but i forgot to add the Shields :D SO AFter the math after the math the Incubus Max HP with that fit and with Hardener on is 5214, what i find a PRETTY DECENT NUMBER. The incubus wont be the hit n run vehicle it is now, or that the python will eventually be, but it will last longer on focused battles Which is crucial now that they're blaster platforms, which means they will have to stay level and slow more often than pythons, if attempting to engage infantry. Words / Vids / OSG
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:21:00 - [12] - Quote ARE YOU KIDDING MEE!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHIELD HARDENERS REDUCE DAMAGE TO 40% and Armor Hardener only to 60% (If i understood it right) PLEASE tell me its the other way arround, because if its not, ITS BS "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:23:00 - [13] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Nope because im Talking about the total HP but i forgot to add the Shields :D SO AFter the math after the math the Incubus Max HP with that fit and with Hardener on is 5214, what i find a PRETTY DECENT NUMBER. The incubus wont be the hit n run vehicle it is now, or that the python will eventually be, but it will last longer on focused battles Which is crucial now that they're blaster platforms, which means they will have to stay level and slow more often than pythons, if attempting to engage infantry. Or Railgun Platforms, which will OBLITERATE Vehicles "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7819	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:24:00 - [14] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Nope because im Talking about the total HP but i forgot to add the Shields :D SO AFter the math after the math the Incubus Max HP with that fit and with Hardener on is 5214, what i find a PRETTY DECENT NUMBER. The incubus wont be the hit n run vehicle it is now, or that the python will eventually be, but it will last longer on focused battles Which is crucial now that they're blaster platforms, which means they will have to stay level and slow more often than pythons, if attempting to engage infantry. Or Railgun Platforms, which will OBLITERATE Vehicles Yea, 50% RoF on working Railguns would be nice. Honestly I can't get hyped right now without knowing what's happening to SP, since a lot of my SP is now 100% obsolete and will never be used since it CAN'T be used. My fit has been thrown out and isn't coming back. I need those SP back. Words / Vids / OSG
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 153	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:25:00 - [15] - Quote Yay!!! The python will finally receive its moment... You also got to take into account that the python still has the camera nerf. Well they both do...so as cool as they become.ll they still might be nerfed. Lol
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 73	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:25:00 - [16] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Virtual Riot wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. After Some Math : Using a Complex Light Armor Repper, Complex 60mm Armor Plates, and a complex armor hardener + a Complex afterburner and a Proto Turret The Incubus can reach 3046 HP without the hardener and 4264 WITH the hardener Did you factor in the 20% damage bonus to shields? Nope because im Talking about the total HP but i forgot to add the Shields :D SO AFter the math after the math the Incubus Max HP with that fit and with Hardener on is 5214, what i find a PRETTY DECENT NUMBER. The incubus wont be the hit n run vehicle it is now, or that the python will eventually be, but it will last longer on focused battles Using the equivalent fitting for the Python (1 complex shield extender, complex shield hardener) that puts the Python to 3201.6 real hp vs explosives with no hardener and 4175.04 real Hp with the hardener on. Just some more info to munch on. I'm just wondering if that extra HP on the incubus is worth all of its shortcomings. You have to remember that you're going to have to sacrifice a plate for a repper, in the end thats going to lower your HP by quite a bit compared to a fully fit Python
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:31:00 - [17] - Quote The Python is a joke Right Now It can Fit 2 Complex Shield Hardeners and a Complex light shield extender AND a Proto Missile Turret WITHOUT usign the low slot and it has at least 50 pg and 50 cpu left "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 300	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:33:00 - [18] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. After Some Math : Using a Complex Light Armor Repper, Complex 60mm Armor Plates, and a complex armor hardener + a Complex afterburner and a Proto Turret The Incubus can reach 3046 HP without the hardener and 4264 WITH the hardener 2 Python fits I made in the fitting tool I edited (max skills, but in reality not much in needed): Extender: - -: Basic Heavy Shield Extender (yes, they fit ), 2 Complex Shield Hardeners -: Complex PG Upgrade T: X-1 Missile Stats: 3196 ehp (2,236 shield, 960 armor) passive; 12,655 ehp (11,695 shield, 960 armor) both hardeners active (30sec on, 45sec off); 6,550 ehp (5,590 shield, 960 armor) active staggered (1min on, 15sec off) Booster: - -: Complex Light Booster, 2 Complex Shield Hardeners -: Complex Ammo Cache T: X-1 Missile Stats: 2,508 ehp (1,548 s, 960 a) passive; 9,056 ehp (8,096 s, 960 a) active, both hardeners (30sec on, 45sec off); 4,830 ehp(3,870 s, 960 a) active staggered (1min on, 15sec off) + an instantaneous 900 base shield ehp (1260 with one hardener, 1573 with two hardeners). Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane Kills- Incubus: 2; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 10
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 2079	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:35:00 - [19] - Quote Torn between whether I should go for blasters for gunners now since they've added aiming friction or missiles for their new ridiculous splash damage. One problem I foresee is the new vehicle lock. 15 seconds where no one but the vehicle owner can get in if not in a squad could defeat the purpose of dropships when I'm using them to get blueberries to a point fast. "When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:40:00 - [20] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. After Some Math : Using a Complex Light Armor Repper, Complex 60mm Armor Plates, and a complex armor hardener + a Complex afterburner and a Proto Turret The Incubus can reach 3046 HP without the hardener and 4264 WITH the hardener 2 Python fits I made in the fitting tool I edited (max skills, but in reality not much in needed): Extender: - -: Basic Heavy Shield Extender (yes, they fit ), 2 Complex Shield Hardeners -: Complex PG Upgrade T: X-1 Missile Stats: 3196 ehp (2,236 shield, 960 armor) passive; 12,655 ehp (11,695 shield, 960 armor) both hardeners active (30sec on, 45sec off); 6,550 ehp (5,590 shield, 960 armor) active staggered (1min on, 15sec off) Booster: - -: Complex Light Booster, 2 Complex Shield Hardeners -: Complex Ammo Cache T: X-1 Missile Stats: 2,508 ehp (1,548 s, 960 a) passive; 9,056 ehp (8,096 s, 960 a) active, both hardeners (30sec on, 45sec off); 4,830 ehp(3,870 s, 960 a) active staggered (1min on, 15sec off) + an instantaneous 900 base shield ehp (1260 with one hardener, 1573 with two hardeners). I guess you havent calculated the Staking penalties. With Penalties Applied your first fit reaches 5k TOTAL HP with both hardeners on, while your second fit just 3800 Total HP You have to multiply Both hardener with eachother (0.4 x 0.4) and then apply that new number to the Ammount of shields you have "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot

Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 300	Posted - 2013.11.19 21:02:00 - [21] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. After Some Math : Using a Complex Light Armor Repper, Complex 60mm Armor Plates, and a complex armor hardener + a Complex afterburner and a Proto Turret The Incubus can reach 3046 HP without the hardener and 4264 WITH the hardener 2 Python fits I made in the fitting tool I edited (max skills, but in reality not much in needed): Extender: - -: Basic Heavy Shield Extender (yes, they fit ), 2 Complex Shield Hardeners -: Complex PG Upgrade T: X-1 Missile Stats: 3196 ehp (2,236 shield, 960 armor) passive; 12,655 ehp (11,695 shield, 960 armor) both hardeners active (30sec on, 45sec off); 6,550 ehp (5,590 shield, 960 armor) active staggered (1min on, 15sec off) Booster: - -: Complex Light Booster, 2 Complex Shield Hardeners -: Complex Ammo Cache T: X-1 Missile Stats: 2,508 ehp (1,548 s, 960 a) passive; 9,056 ehp (8,096 s, 960 a) active, both hardeners (30sec on, 45sec off); 4,830 ehp(3,870 s, 960 a) active staggered (1min on, 15sec off) + an instantaneous 900 base shield ehp (1260 with one hardener, 1573 with two hardeners). I guess you havent calculated the Staking penalties. With Penalties Applied your first fit reaches 5k TOTAL HP with both hardeners on, while your second fit just 3800 Total HP You have to multiply Both hardener with eachother (0.4 x 0.4) and then apply that new number to the Ammount of shields you have That is no how stacking penalties work (unless they've change, which I haven't seen). The first module works to full effectiveness, the next module works at 87% effectiveness (.87 multiplier), third is 57%, etc. Linky (EvE applies to Dust) So with two hardeners on, I'll get (40+(.87*40))= 74.8% resists. EDIT: While you're wrong about the resists, my calculations might also be wrong, so I'll recalculate them soon. Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane Kills- Incubus: 2; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 10
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 21:10:00 - [22] - Quote It is stil impossible for you to get 12k HP, the max youve got is still about 5k "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10408	Posted - 2013.11.19 21:42:00 - [23] - Quote I think havs should worry about railgun toting ADS as there is a rate of fire bonus on one of them. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 596	Posted - 2013.11.19 21:59:00 - [24] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I think havs should worry about railgun toting ADS as there is a rate of fire bonus on one of them. Tank Killer Incubus FTW Also with the increase on Vehicles Due to this Buff, IT will be hyper effective as a harrasing vehicle, finishing vehicles on CooldDown "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7822	Posted - 2013.11.19 22:13:00 - [25] - Quote I just want to know that I won't be stuck with a bunch of skills that no longer apply to my Incubus, it will completely ruin this patch for me. Words / Vids / OSG
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 596	Posted - 2013.11.19 22:16:00 - [26] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I just want to know that I won't be stuck with a bunch of skills that no longer apply to my Incubus, it will completely ruin this patch for me. FULL RESPEC FTW I (and almost every former DropShip Pilot) have most of their SP (13M in my case) Allocated in Infantry because Derpships Used to be unsustainable and baaaad, now that they LOOk Decent enough... I DEMAND A FULL RESPEC "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 596	Posted - 2013.11.19 22:21:00 - [27] - Quote I dont think mIssiles would be that OP, The Mag size is Pretty Small "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 301	Posted - 2013.11.19 23:11:00 - [28] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I think havs should worry about railgun toting ADS as there is a rate of fire bonus on one of them. Rails are impossible to fire effectively from ADSs. You don't have line of sight in third person mode, making the needle sized reticle difficult to track, and first person is difficult to aim on the ground without drifting or staying out of turret pitch range and air to air will be difficult with spool up time, overheat, moving targets, etc. Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane Kills- Incubus: 2; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 10
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 301	Posted - 2013.11.19 23:15:00 - [29] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: It is stil impossible for you to get 12k HP, the max youve got is still about 5k Yeah, I've edited all my posts. I think the problem is with the fitting tool calculating the damage resistance, so I've mentioned it in the thread. Shame though, I'll miss my imaginary invincible Python. Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane Kills- Incubus: 2; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 10
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 75	Posted - 2013.11.20 02:20:00 - [30] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: I dont think mIssiles would be that OP, The Mag size is Pretty Small Mag size is int that small considering they basically doubled the splash damage on small missiles. Now it will take 1 shot to kill most infantry instead of 2. And reload time is 4 seconds with no skill bonuses. Sounds reaaally good to me



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