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Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 72	Posted - 2013.11.19 19:38:00 - [1] - Quote Sooo, looking at the new Assault Dropship stats, I have a few thoughts and opinions, and I would like to get some feedback from other pilots and vehicle aficionados. 1. Python vs Incubus So obviously the Incubus has more HP. But does it really? Lets take a look. Assuming explosives still do 20% more to armor. Linky I did not include forge guns in these calcs. But you can assume your own numbers, they do 10% more to armor. Incubus Total HP: 3312 Shield: 850 Armor: 2382 Lets take a look at the real HP vs swarms and AV grenades (explosive). Shield: (850 x .2) + 850 = 1020 Armor 2382 - (2382 x .2) = 1905.6 Armor + Shield = 2925.6 total HP vs swarms and AV grenades Python Total HP: 2508 Shield: 1548 Armor: 960 Real HP vs swarms and AV grenades (explosive). Shield: (1548 x .2) + 1548 = 1857.6 Armor: 960 - (960 x.2) = 768 Armor + Shield = 2625.6 total HP vs swarms As we can see, the Incubus only has about 10% more real HP vs explosives. Is it worth it? Python has the benefit of extremely buffed shield recharge rates, while the incubus has to rely on passive armor repairers. Python is faster and more maneuverable, and doesn't have to sacrifice any of its slots in order to repair itself. Not to mention, the Python skill gives bonuses to Missile Turrets, arguably the only turrets used for the gun on an ADS. Missile turrets are also getting a huge buff in splash damage. Looking at the new stats for turrets and and dropships, in my opinion, Python will be far superior to the Incubus, which by my eye looks extremely gimped. Thoughts? Comments? Shoot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7814	Posted - 2013.11.19 19:42:00 - [2] - Quote Aw man and here I was thinking this patch was all awesome.... Who uses hybrids on an assault dropship? Man, now my Incubus fit actually is destroyed I guess with a lot more skill on my part, and if the blasters actually don't suck now, it might sort of work out. All my turret skills are in missiles, so that all better be refunded as well. There has to be a respec or CCP is in for a logistical nightmare trying to refund select skills. Words / Vids / OSG
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 461	Posted - 2013.11.19 19:44:00 - [3] - Quote In general I read it as the ADS's will have less health overall than the standard DS but will also recharge shields quicker. If the ADS retains its more nimble manoeuvrability then it can make all the difference. But I don't care, My ship wasn't in the blog so I didn't really bother looking at it in any detail "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 300	Posted - 2013.11.19 19:55:00 - [4] - Quote Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane Kills- Incubus: 2; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 10
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 73	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:00:00 - [5] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. Yeah dude, Python seems like the way to go. The only benefit I see that the Incubus gets is the 10% more HP over the Python But honestly it doesn't seem worth it considering all the benefits you get out on a Python. Unless there are more benefits to using an Incubus? I don't know I can't really think or see any.
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 461	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:01:00 - [6] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. The 4 sec 224hp/s is the shield recharge, not a repper. But yes it is impressive "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:08:00 - [7] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. After Some Math : Using a Complex Light Armor Repper, Complex 60mm Armor Plates, and a complex armor hardener + a Complex afterburner and a Proto Turret The Incubus can reach 3046 HP without the hardener and 4264 WITH the hardener "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 73	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:10:00 - [8] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. After Some Math : Using a Complex Light Armor Repper, Complex 60mm Armor Plates, and a complex armor hardener + a Complex afterburner and a Proto Turret The Incubus can reach 3046 HP without the hardener and 4264 WITH the hardener Did you factor in the 20% damage bonus to shields?
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EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:14:00 - [10] - Quote Virtual Riot wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. After Some Math : Using a Complex Light Armor Repper, Complex 60mm Armor Plates, and a complex armor hardener + a Complex afterburner and a Proto Turret The Incubus can reach 3046 HP without the hardener and 4264 WITH the hardener Did you factor in the 20% damage bonus to shields? Nope because im Talking about the total HP but i forgot to add the Shields :D SO AFter the math after the math the Incubus Max HP with that fit and with Hardener on is 5214, what i find a PRETTY DECENT NUMBER. The incubus wont be the hit n run vehicle it is now, or that the python will eventually be, but it will last longer on focused battles "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7818	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:16:00 - [11] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Nope because im Talking about the total HP but i forgot to add the Shields :D SO AFter the math after the math the Incubus Max HP with that fit and with Hardener on is 5214, what i find a PRETTY DECENT NUMBER. The incubus wont be the hit n run vehicle it is now, or that the python will eventually be, but it will last longer on focused battles Which is crucial now that they're blaster platforms, which means they will have to stay level and slow more often than pythons, if attempting to engage infantry. Words / Vids / OSG
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:21:00 - [12] - Quote ARE YOU KIDDING MEE!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHIELD HARDENERS REDUCE DAMAGE TO 40% and Armor Hardener only to 60% (If i understood it right) PLEASE tell me its the other way arround, because if its not, ITS BS "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:23:00 - [13] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Nope because im Talking about the total HP but i forgot to add the Shields :D SO AFter the math after the math the Incubus Max HP with that fit and with Hardener on is 5214, what i find a PRETTY DECENT NUMBER. The incubus wont be the hit n run vehicle it is now, or that the python will eventually be, but it will last longer on focused battles Which is crucial now that they're blaster platforms, which means they will have to stay level and slow more often than pythons, if attempting to engage infantry. Or Railgun Platforms, which will OBLITERATE Vehicles "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7819	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:24:00 - [14] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Nope because im Talking about the total HP but i forgot to add the Shields :D SO AFter the math after the math the Incubus Max HP with that fit and with Hardener on is 5214, what i find a PRETTY DECENT NUMBER. The incubus wont be the hit n run vehicle it is now, or that the python will eventually be, but it will last longer on focused battles Which is crucial now that they're blaster platforms, which means they will have to stay level and slow more often than pythons, if attempting to engage infantry. Or Railgun Platforms, which will OBLITERATE Vehicles Yea, 50% RoF on working Railguns would be nice. Honestly I can't get hyped right now without knowing what's happening to SP, since a lot of my SP is now 100% obsolete and will never be used since it CAN'T be used. My fit has been thrown out and isn't coming back. I need those SP back. Words / Vids / OSG
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 153	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:25:00 - [15] - Quote Yay!!! The python will finally receive its moment... You also got to take into account that the python still has the camera nerf. Well they both do...so as cool as they become.ll they still might be nerfed. Lol
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 73	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:25:00 - [16] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Virtual Riot wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. After Some Math : Using a Complex Light Armor Repper, Complex 60mm Armor Plates, and a complex armor hardener + a Complex afterburner and a Proto Turret The Incubus can reach 3046 HP without the hardener and 4264 WITH the hardener Did you factor in the 20% damage bonus to shields? Nope because im Talking about the total HP but i forgot to add the Shields :D SO AFter the math after the math the Incubus Max HP with that fit and with Hardener on is 5214, what i find a PRETTY DECENT NUMBER. The incubus wont be the hit n run vehicle it is now, or that the python will eventually be, but it will last longer on focused battles Using the equivalent fitting for the Python (1 complex shield extender, complex shield hardener) that puts the Python to 3201.6 real hp vs explosives with no hardener and 4175.04 real Hp with the hardener on. Just some more info to munch on. I'm just wondering if that extra HP on the incubus is worth all of its shortcomings. You have to remember that you're going to have to sacrifice a plate for a repper, in the end thats going to lower your HP by quite a bit compared to a fully fit Python
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:31:00 - [17] - Quote The Python is a joke Right Now It can Fit 2 Complex Shield Hardeners and a Complex light shield extender AND a Proto Missile Turret WITHOUT usign the low slot and it has at least 50 pg and 50 cpu left "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 300	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:33:00 - [18] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. After Some Math : Using a Complex Light Armor Repper, Complex 60mm Armor Plates, and a complex armor hardener + a Complex afterburner and a Proto Turret The Incubus can reach 3046 HP without the hardener and 4264 WITH the hardener 2 Python fits I made in the fitting tool I edited (max skills, but in reality not much in needed): Extender: - -: Basic Heavy Shield Extender (yes, they fit ), 2 Complex Shield Hardeners -: Complex PG Upgrade T: X-1 Missile Stats: 3196 ehp (2,236 shield, 960 armor) passive; 12,655 ehp (11,695 shield, 960 armor) both hardeners active (30sec on, 45sec off); 6,550 ehp (5,590 shield, 960 armor) active staggered (1min on, 15sec off) Booster: - -: Complex Light Booster, 2 Complex Shield Hardeners -: Complex Ammo Cache T: X-1 Missile Stats: 2,508 ehp (1,548 s, 960 a) passive; 9,056 ehp (8,096 s, 960 a) active, both hardeners (30sec on, 45sec off); 4,830 ehp(3,870 s, 960 a) active staggered (1min on, 15sec off) + an instantaneous 900 base shield ehp (1260 with one hardener, 1573 with two hardeners). Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane Kills- Incubus: 2; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 10
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 2079	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:35:00 - [19] - Quote Torn between whether I should go for blasters for gunners now since they've added aiming friction or missiles for their new ridiculous splash damage. One problem I foresee is the new vehicle lock. 15 seconds where no one but the vehicle owner can get in if not in a squad could defeat the purpose of dropships when I'm using them to get blueberries to a point fast. "When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:40:00 - [20] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. After Some Math : Using a Complex Light Armor Repper, Complex 60mm Armor Plates, and a complex armor hardener + a Complex afterburner and a Proto Turret The Incubus can reach 3046 HP without the hardener and 4264 WITH the hardener 2 Python fits I made in the fitting tool I edited (max skills, but in reality not much in needed): Extender: - -: Basic Heavy Shield Extender (yes, they fit ), 2 Complex Shield Hardeners -: Complex PG Upgrade T: X-1 Missile Stats: 3196 ehp (2,236 shield, 960 armor) passive; 12,655 ehp (11,695 shield, 960 armor) both hardeners active (30sec on, 45sec off); 6,550 ehp (5,590 shield, 960 armor) active staggered (1min on, 15sec off) Booster: - -: Complex Light Booster, 2 Complex Shield Hardeners -: Complex Ammo Cache T: X-1 Missile Stats: 2,508 ehp (1,548 s, 960 a) passive; 9,056 ehp (8,096 s, 960 a) active, both hardeners (30sec on, 45sec off); 4,830 ehp(3,870 s, 960 a) active staggered (1min on, 15sec off) + an instantaneous 900 base shield ehp (1260 with one hardener, 1573 with two hardeners). I guess you havent calculated the Staking penalties. With Penalties Applied your first fit reaches 5k TOTAL HP with both hardeners on, while your second fit just 3800 Total HP You have to multiply Both hardener with eachother (0.4 x 0.4) and then apply that new number to the Ammount of shields you have "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot

Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 300	Posted - 2013.11.19 21:02:00 - [21] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. After Some Math : Using a Complex Light Armor Repper, Complex 60mm Armor Plates, and a complex armor hardener + a Complex afterburner and a Proto Turret The Incubus can reach 3046 HP without the hardener and 4264 WITH the hardener 2 Python fits I made in the fitting tool I edited (max skills, but in reality not much in needed): Extender: - -: Basic Heavy Shield Extender (yes, they fit ), 2 Complex Shield Hardeners -: Complex PG Upgrade T: X-1 Missile Stats: 3196 ehp (2,236 shield, 960 armor) passive; 12,655 ehp (11,695 shield, 960 armor) both hardeners active (30sec on, 45sec off); 6,550 ehp (5,590 shield, 960 armor) active staggered (1min on, 15sec off) Booster: - -: Complex Light Booster, 2 Complex Shield Hardeners -: Complex Ammo Cache T: X-1 Missile Stats: 2,508 ehp (1,548 s, 960 a) passive; 9,056 ehp (8,096 s, 960 a) active, both hardeners (30sec on, 45sec off); 4,830 ehp(3,870 s, 960 a) active staggered (1min on, 15sec off) + an instantaneous 900 base shield ehp (1260 with one hardener, 1573 with two hardeners). I guess you havent calculated the Staking penalties. With Penalties Applied your first fit reaches 5k TOTAL HP with both hardeners on, while your second fit just 3800 Total HP You have to multiply Both hardener with eachother (0.4 x 0.4) and then apply that new number to the Ammount of shields you have That is no how stacking penalties work (unless they've change, which I haven't seen). The first module works to full effectiveness, the next module works at 87% effectiveness (.87 multiplier), third is 57%, etc. Linky (EvE applies to Dust) So with two hardeners on, I'll get (40+(.87*40))= 74.8% resists. EDIT: While you're wrong about the resists, my calculations might also be wrong, so I'll recalculate them soon. Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane Kills- Incubus: 2; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 10
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 21:10:00 - [22] - Quote It is stil impossible for you to get 12k HP, the max youve got is still about 5k "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10408	Posted - 2013.11.19 21:42:00 - [23] - Quote I think havs should worry about railgun toting ADS as there is a rate of fire bonus on one of them. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 596	Posted - 2013.11.19 21:59:00 - [24] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I think havs should worry about railgun toting ADS as there is a rate of fire bonus on one of them. Tank Killer Incubus FTW Also with the increase on Vehicles Due to this Buff, IT will be hyper effective as a harrasing vehicle, finishing vehicles on CooldDown "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7822	Posted - 2013.11.19 22:13:00 - [25] - Quote I just want to know that I won't be stuck with a bunch of skills that no longer apply to my Incubus, it will completely ruin this patch for me. Words / Vids / OSG
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 596	Posted - 2013.11.19 22:16:00 - [26] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I just want to know that I won't be stuck with a bunch of skills that no longer apply to my Incubus, it will completely ruin this patch for me. FULL RESPEC FTW I (and almost every former DropShip Pilot) have most of their SP (13M in my case) Allocated in Infantry because Derpships Used to be unsustainable and baaaad, now that they LOOk Decent enough... I DEMAND A FULL RESPEC "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 596	Posted - 2013.11.19 22:21:00 - [27] - Quote I dont think mIssiles would be that OP, The Mag size is Pretty Small "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 301	Posted - 2013.11.19 23:11:00 - [28] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I think havs should worry about railgun toting ADS as there is a rate of fire bonus on one of them. Rails are impossible to fire effectively from ADSs. You don't have line of sight in third person mode, making the needle sized reticle difficult to track, and first person is difficult to aim on the ground without drifting or staying out of turret pitch range and air to air will be difficult with spool up time, overheat, moving targets, etc. Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane Kills- Incubus: 2; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 10
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 301	Posted - 2013.11.19 23:15:00 - [29] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: It is stil impossible for you to get 12k HP, the max youve got is still about 5k Yeah, I've edited all my posts. I think the problem is with the fitting tool calculating the damage resistance, so I've mentioned it in the thread. Shame though, I'll miss my imaginary invincible Python. Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane Kills- Incubus: 2; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 10
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 75	Posted - 2013.11.20 02:20:00 - [30] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: I dont think mIssiles would be that OP, The Mag size is Pretty Small Mag size is int that small considering they basically doubled the splash damage on small missiles. Now it will take 1 shot to kill most infantry instead of 2. And reload time is 4 seconds with no skill bonuses. Sounds reaaally good to me

Harpyja Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 788	Posted - 2013.11.20 02:25:00 - [31] - Quote I don't know if someone mentioned this earlier in this thread but your calculations are wrong. To get EHP values, you take HP / damage multiplier. So for shields, it's shield HP / .8 (didn't explosives do 130% to armor and 70% to shield?) "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 75	Posted - 2013.11.20 03:43:00 - [32] - Quote Harpyja wrote: I don't know if someone mentioned this earlier in this thread but your calculations are wrong. To get EHP values, you take HP / damage multiplier. So for shields, it's shield HP / .8 (didn't explosives do 130% to armor and 70% to shield?) So by your logic, if I have 50% resistance and 100 HP being affected by it, my EHP will be 200? That doesn't seem right bro If I get hit with 100 damage, and I resist 50% of that damage, I will take 50 damage.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 100	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:16:00 - [33] - Quote i just hope that forge guns have less direct damage, alot less range(250m)and lower velocity.... recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 277	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:32:00 - [34] - Quote Wait......do you mean to say their adding assault drop ships in 1.7??? Link now please
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 100	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:34:00 - [35] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Wait......do you mean to say their adding assault drop ships in 1.7??? Link now please https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122204&find=unread recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 277	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:37:00 - [36] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Wait......do you mean to say their adding assault drop ships in 1.7??? Link now please https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122204&find=unread My god, this.....this changes everything! Thank you kind sir,you have brought a warm feeling to this python pilots heart
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 742	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:41:00 - [37] - Quote Just one point to make. Swarms will rarely ever be able to lock-on to you now that their range is being slashed in half. Just wanted people to keep that in mind while debating the subject EXERCISE... EX AR CISE... EGXS AR SISE... EGS ARE SISE... EGGS ARE SIDES.... FOR BACON..... BACON.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 100	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:42:00 - [38] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Wait......do you mean to say their adding assault drop ships in 1.7??? Link now please https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122204&find=unread My god, this.....this changes everything! Thank you kind sir,you have brought a warm feeling to this python pilots heart your welcome recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 277	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:43:00 - [39] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Just one point to make. Swarms will rarely ever be able to lock-on to you now that their range is being slashed in half. Just wanted people to keep that in mind while debating the subject Swarms are finally being balanced. I'd recommend watching judge rhadamantheus' video on the matter.
Brynjar Reko Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 30	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:55:00 - [40] - Quote Virtual Riot wrote: Harpyja wrote: I don't know if someone mentioned this earlier in this thread but your calculations are wrong. To get EHP values, you take HP / damage multiplier. So for shields, it's shield HP / .8 (didn't explosives do 130% to armor and 70% to shield?) So by your logic, if I have 50% resistance and 100 HP being affected by it, my EHP will be 200? That doesn't seem right bro If I get hit with 100 damage, and I resist 50% of that damage, I will take 50 damage. You're looking at it two different ways there. You could look at 50% resistance as either increasing your hp or decreasing enemy damage. If you consider it as increasing your HP, you could take 200 damage before dying, measuring the damage by what the weapon is putting out. You could also look at it as leaving your HP alone and reducing the damage done to you. If you look at it this way, a weapon that would normally do 100 damage a shot would do 50 damage a shot now, and it would take two shots of the lowered 50 damage to deplete your 100 HP.

Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 277	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:56:00 - [41] - Quote Well now my thoughts, they have given my python exactly what it needed and what I asked for,a couple hundred more HP. Extracting troops from hot LZ's might actually be possible now. I don't believe that ADS will be op either, seems about the right amount of HP. I can't really say which ADS is better out of the two, as I only fly caldari. Though I have always thought that the incubus is better suited for support than its caldari counterpart. Since its armor tanked those high slots could be used for cru or tactical equipment (scanners?) Where as the python has to use its highs for its tank. Though we are speaking ADS I'm sure most incubus pilots fit AB and shields. Food for thought though. I'm very much looking forward to 1.7 now
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2254	Posted - 2013.11.20 05:00:00 - [42] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Well now my thoughts, they have given my python exactly what it needed and what I asked for,a couple hundred more HP. Extracting troops from hot LZ's might actually be possible now. I don't believe that ADS will be op either, seems about the right amount of HP. I can't really say which ADS is better out of the two, as I only fly caldari. Though I have always thought that the incubus is better suited for support than its caldari counterpart. Since its armor tanked those high slots could be used for cru or tactical equipment (scanners?) Where as the python has to use its highs for its tank. Though we are speaking ADS I'm sure most incubus pilots fit AB and shields. Food for thought though. I'm very much looking forward to 1.7 now high slot incubus has one high slot ADS now have -2 slots than before. lol
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 277	Posted - 2013.11.20 05:05:00 - [43] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Well now my thoughts, they have given my python exactly what it needed and what I asked for,a couple hundred more HP. Extracting troops from hot LZ's might actually be possible now. I don't believe that ADS will be op either, seems about the right amount of HP. I can't really say which ADS is better out of the two, as I only fly caldari. Though I have always thought that the incubus is better suited for support than its caldari counterpart. Since its armor tanked those high slots could be used for cru or tactical equipment (scanners?) Where as the python has to use its highs for its tank. Though we are speaking ADS I'm sure most incubus pilots fit AB and shields. Food for thought though. I'm very much looking forward to 1.7 now high slot incubus has one high slot ADS now have -2 slots than before. lol Ah of course there is a catch. So they both lost one high and one low?
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 75	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:07:00 - [44] - Quote Yeah, they both lost a slot, but don't forget that fitting side turrets will now be optional, so that saves a lot of pg/cpu for more intense modules (aka hardeners)
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2310	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:16:00 - [45] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Well now my thoughts, they have given my python exactly what it needed and what I asked for,a couple hundred more HP. Extracting troops from hot LZ's might actually be possible now. I don't believe that ADS will be op either, seems about the right amount of HP. I can't really say which ADS is better out of the two, as I only fly caldari. Though I have always thought that the incubus is better suited for support than its caldari counterpart. Since its armor tanked those high slots could be used for cru or tactical equipment (scanners?) Where as the python has to use its highs for its tank. Though we are speaking ADS I'm sure most incubus pilots fit AB and shields. Food for thought though. I'm very much looking forward to 1.7 now high slot incubus has one high slot ADS now have -2 slots than before. lol Ah of course there is a catch. So they both lost one high and one low? yeeep
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2310	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:17:00 - [46] - Quote Virtual Riot wrote: Yeah, they both lost a slot, but don't forget that fitting side turrets will now be optional, so that saves a lot of pg/cpu for more intense modules (aka hardeners) theres not much room for any interesting fitting variability in DS anymore unless they're going to add advance versions soon with more slots. ADS both lost 1 high and 1 low slot, lost HP compared to std and may have less pg.cpu?
Adelia Lafayette DUST University Ivy League 439	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:19:00 - [47] - Quote I'm hope that small rails being finally fixed will make my incubus a tank hunter.
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 77	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:52:00 - [48] - Quote Shameless Bump for added content
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 621	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:54:00 - [49] - Quote Skilled Incubus Pilots Will rule the battlefield The blaster Melt Infatry really Fast, and Railguns can do more DMG per MAG than Missiles "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2320	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:55:00 - [50] - Quote Yeah, it looks like CCP dosn't know wth they're doing. surprise. Wouldn't be so bad if we didn't all know it'd take them another year to "rework it" and do it all wrong again.

Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2320	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:56:00 - [51] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Skilled Incubus Pilots Will rule the battlefield The blaster Melt Infatry really Fast, and Railguns can do more DMG per MAG than Missiles somebody hasn't used a small blaster since 1.5 I suggest you go try gunning with one right now. And rest assured, it won't be fixed in 1.7
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2320	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:57:00 - [52] - Quote Adelia Lafayette wrote: I'm hope that small rails being finally fixed will make my incubus a tank hunter. Not a chance in hell, with these guys
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 622	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:59:00 - [53] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Skilled Incubus Pilots Will rule the battlefield The blaster Melt Infatry really Fast, and Railguns can do more DMG per MAG than Missiles somebody hasn't used a small blaster since 1.5 I suggest you go try gunning with one right now. And rest assured, it won't be fixed in 1.7 Trust me, ive used it and i suck with it, but ive seen many ADS Pilots go 15/0 WITH scattered Ion cannons I HOPE they get better, if they dont, ill have to kill infantry without the ROF Bonus And Also Incubus Can Fit DMG Mods without sacrificing Tank, which will be a deadly combo with small railguns and MIGHT Compensate the lack of ROF from Missile Turrets "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 77	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:00:00 - [54] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Skilled Incubus Pilots Will rule the battlefield The blaster Melt Infatry really Fast, and Railguns can do more DMG per MAG than Missiles somebody hasn't used a small blaster since 1.5 I suggest you go try gunning with one right now. And rest assured, it won't be fixed in 1.7 Trust me, ive used it and i suck with it, but ive seen many ADS Pilots go 15/0 WITH scattered Ion cannons I HOPE they get better, if they dont, ill have to kill infantry without the ROF Bonus And Also Incubus Can Fit DMG Mods without sacrificing Tank, which will be a deadly combo with small railguns and MIGHT Compensate the lack of ROF from Missile Turrets Ahh, see I didnt think of that Incubus can fit the dmg mod without sacrificing tank This could be deadly with small railgun turrets
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 323	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:10:00 - [55] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Skilled Incubus Pilots Will rule the battlefield The blaster Melt Infatry really Fast, and Railguns can do more DMG per MAG than Missiles Python>Incubus -Can attack infantry+Vehicles with missiles. -Shields resist rails; Misslies are super effective to armour. -Rails actually do less per mag than missiles (377 max base for rails, 539.5 max base for missiles; each has the same number of rounds per mag and reload speed; rails fire roy but have over heat) -Missiles are more reliably accurate than rails. -More agile (if using plates). -Shield hardeners are awesome now. -Passive reps are awesome. -Shield booster are awesome. -Incubus smells funny. Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane Kills- Incubus: 2; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 10
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 622	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:38:00 - [56] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Skilled Incubus Pilots Will rule the battlefield The blaster Melt Infatry really Fast, and Railguns can do more DMG per MAG than Missiles Python>Incubus -Can attack infantry+Vehicles with missiles. -Shields resist rails; Misslies are super effective to armour. -Rails actually do less per mag than missiles (377 max base for rails, 539.5 max base for missiles; each has the same number of rounds per mag and reload speed; rails fire roy but have over heat) -Missiles are more reliably accurate than rails. -More agile (if using plates). -Shield hardeners are awesome now. -Passive reps are awesome. -Shield booster are awesome. -Incubus smells funny. 1: True 2: Rails are Hybrid with a 10% bonus to Shields 3: Rails have 24 Shots per Mag, Missiles only 8 4: They will use the Normal Accuracy of regular missiles not of accelerated turrets because it would be too power full = not as accurate as rails 5: Both are ADS and both should have almost the same agility. The extra plates will be canceled by the Armor Composition Skill 6: Agree 7: Passive Reps? 8: But they dont rep that much shields 9: It has the smell of his enemies tears "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot


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