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EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:08:00 - [1] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. After Some Math : Using a Complex Light Armor Repper, Complex 60mm Armor Plates, and a complex armor hardener + a Complex afterburner and a Proto Turret The Incubus can reach 3046 HP without the hardener and 4264 WITH the hardener "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:14:00 - [2] - Quote Virtual Riot wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. After Some Math : Using a Complex Light Armor Repper, Complex 60mm Armor Plates, and a complex armor hardener + a Complex afterburner and a Proto Turret The Incubus can reach 3046 HP without the hardener and 4264 WITH the hardener Did you factor in the 20% damage bonus to shields? Nope because im Talking about the total HP but i forgot to add the Shields :D SO AFter the math after the math the Incubus Max HP with that fit and with Hardener on is 5214, what i find a PRETTY DECENT NUMBER. The incubus wont be the hit n run vehicle it is now, or that the python will eventually be, but it will last longer on focused battles "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:21:00 - [3] - Quote ARE YOU KIDDING MEE!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHIELD HARDENERS REDUCE DAMAGE TO 40% and Armor Hardener only to 60% (If i understood it right) PLEASE tell me its the other way arround, because if its not, ITS BS "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:23:00 - [4] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Nope because im Talking about the total HP but i forgot to add the Shields :D SO AFter the math after the math the Incubus Max HP with that fit and with Hardener on is 5214, what i find a PRETTY DECENT NUMBER. The incubus wont be the hit n run vehicle it is now, or that the python will eventually be, but it will last longer on focused battles Which is crucial now that they're blaster platforms, which means they will have to stay level and slow more often than pythons, if attempting to engage infantry. Or Railgun Platforms, which will OBLITERATE Vehicles "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:31:00 - [5] - Quote The Python is a joke Right Now It can Fit 2 Complex Shield Hardeners and a Complex light shield extender AND a Proto Missile Turret WITHOUT usign the low slot and it has at least 50 pg and 50 cpu left "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:40:00 - [6] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Things also to consider (note: this info. may not be accurate to current or future builds): -Pythons get passive reps w/o a module, meaning they don't have to waste a slot on repairers (a 4 sec delay at 224/sec, that's incredible). -Active shield resists are incredible now; stacking 2 and staggering them give 1min of 40% resist with a 15sec cool down in between. -Shield boosters now give and instantaneous 900 shield hp w/ a 30sec cool down (max skills) (coupled with a shield resist, that's an hp boost of 1260hp) I've yet to look into fitting an Incubus on the fitting tool, so I'll look at that soon enough. All I know is that, as a Python pilot, I'm very excited for the new build. Though, I would like to see what Amarr and Minmatar dropships will look like. Only time will tell. After Some Math : Using a Complex Light Armor Repper, Complex 60mm Armor Plates, and a complex armor hardener + a Complex afterburner and a Proto Turret The Incubus can reach 3046 HP without the hardener and 4264 WITH the hardener 2 Python fits I made in the fitting tool I edited (max skills, but in reality not much in needed): Extender: - -: Basic Heavy Shield Extender (yes, they fit ), 2 Complex Shield Hardeners -: Complex PG Upgrade T: X-1 Missile Stats: 3196 ehp (2,236 shield, 960 armor) passive; 12,655 ehp (11,695 shield, 960 armor) both hardeners active (30sec on, 45sec off); 6,550 ehp (5,590 shield, 960 armor) active staggered (1min on, 15sec off) Booster: - -: Complex Light Booster, 2 Complex Shield Hardeners -: Complex Ammo Cache T: X-1 Missile Stats: 2,508 ehp (1,548 s, 960 a) passive; 9,056 ehp (8,096 s, 960 a) active, both hardeners (30sec on, 45sec off); 4,830 ehp(3,870 s, 960 a) active staggered (1min on, 15sec off) + an instantaneous 900 base shield ehp (1260 with one hardener, 1573 with two hardeners). I guess you havent calculated the Staking penalties. With Penalties Applied your first fit reaches 5k TOTAL HP with both hardeners on, while your second fit just 3800 Total HP You have to multiply Both hardener with eachother (0.4 x 0.4) and then apply that new number to the Ammount of shields you have "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 595	Posted - 2013.11.19 21:10:00 - [7] - Quote It is stil impossible for you to get 12k HP, the max youve got is still about 5k "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 596	Posted - 2013.11.19 21:59:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I think havs should worry about railgun toting ADS as there is a rate of fire bonus on one of them. Tank Killer Incubus FTW Also with the increase on Vehicles Due to this Buff, IT will be hyper effective as a harrasing vehicle, finishing vehicles on CooldDown "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 596	Posted - 2013.11.19 22:16:00 - [9] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I just want to know that I won't be stuck with a bunch of skills that no longer apply to my Incubus, it will completely ruin this patch for me. FULL RESPEC FTW I (and almost every former DropShip Pilot) have most of their SP (13M in my case) Allocated in Infantry because Derpships Used to be unsustainable and baaaad, now that they LOOk Decent enough... I DEMAND A FULL RESPEC "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 596	Posted - 2013.11.19 22:21:00 - [10] - Quote I dont think mIssiles would be that OP, The Mag size is Pretty Small "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot

EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 621	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:54:00 - [11] - Quote Skilled Incubus Pilots Will rule the battlefield The blaster Melt Infatry really Fast, and Railguns can do more DMG per MAG than Missiles "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 622	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:59:00 - [12] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Skilled Incubus Pilots Will rule the battlefield The blaster Melt Infatry really Fast, and Railguns can do more DMG per MAG than Missiles somebody hasn't used a small blaster since 1.5 I suggest you go try gunning with one right now. And rest assured, it won't be fixed in 1.7 Trust me, ive used it and i suck with it, but ive seen many ADS Pilots go 15/0 WITH scattered Ion cannons I HOPE they get better, if they dont, ill have to kill infantry without the ROF Bonus And Also Incubus Can Fit DMG Mods without sacrificing Tank, which will be a deadly combo with small railguns and MIGHT Compensate the lack of ROF from Missile Turrets "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 622	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:38:00 - [13] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Skilled Incubus Pilots Will rule the battlefield The blaster Melt Infatry really Fast, and Railguns can do more DMG per MAG than Missiles Python>Incubus -Can attack infantry+Vehicles with missiles. -Shields resist rails; Misslies are super effective to armour. -Rails actually do less per mag than missiles (377 max base for rails, 539.5 max base for missiles; each has the same number of rounds per mag and reload speed; rails fire roy but have over heat) -Missiles are more reliably accurate than rails. -More agile (if using plates). -Shield hardeners are awesome now. -Passive reps are awesome. -Shield booster are awesome. -Incubus smells funny. 1: True 2: Rails are Hybrid with a 10% bonus to Shields 3: Rails have 24 Shots per Mag, Missiles only 8 4: They will use the Normal Accuracy of regular missiles not of accelerated turrets because it would be too power full = not as accurate as rails 5: Both are ADS and both should have almost the same agility. The extra plates will be canceled by the Armor Composition Skill 6: Agree 7: Passive Reps? 8: But they dont rep that much shields 9: It has the smell of his enemies tears "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot

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