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Harpyja Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 788	Posted - 2013.11.20 02:25:00 - [31] - Quote I don't know if someone mentioned this earlier in this thread but your calculations are wrong. To get EHP values, you take HP / damage multiplier. So for shields, it's shield HP / .8 (didn't explosives do 130% to armor and 70% to shield?) "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 75	Posted - 2013.11.20 03:43:00 - [32] - Quote Harpyja wrote: I don't know if someone mentioned this earlier in this thread but your calculations are wrong. To get EHP values, you take HP / damage multiplier. So for shields, it's shield HP / .8 (didn't explosives do 130% to armor and 70% to shield?) So by your logic, if I have 50% resistance and 100 HP being affected by it, my EHP will be 200? That doesn't seem right bro If I get hit with 100 damage, and I resist 50% of that damage, I will take 50 damage.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 100	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:16:00 - [33] - Quote i just hope that forge guns have less direct damage, alot less range(250m)and lower velocity.... recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 277	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:32:00 - [34] - Quote Wait......do you mean to say their adding assault drop ships in 1.7??? Link now please
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 100	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:34:00 - [35] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Wait......do you mean to say their adding assault drop ships in 1.7??? Link now please https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122204&find=unread recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 277	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:37:00 - [36] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Wait......do you mean to say their adding assault drop ships in 1.7??? Link now please https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122204&find=unread My god, this.....this changes everything! Thank you kind sir,you have brought a warm feeling to this python pilots heart
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 742	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:41:00 - [37] - Quote Just one point to make. Swarms will rarely ever be able to lock-on to you now that their range is being slashed in half. Just wanted people to keep that in mind while debating the subject EXERCISE... EX AR CISE... EGXS AR SISE... EGS ARE SISE... EGGS ARE SIDES.... FOR BACON..... BACON.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 100	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:42:00 - [38] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Wait......do you mean to say their adding assault drop ships in 1.7??? Link now please https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122204&find=unread My god, this.....this changes everything! Thank you kind sir,you have brought a warm feeling to this python pilots heart your welcome recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 277	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:43:00 - [39] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Just one point to make. Swarms will rarely ever be able to lock-on to you now that their range is being slashed in half. Just wanted people to keep that in mind while debating the subject Swarms are finally being balanced. I'd recommend watching judge rhadamantheus' video on the matter.
Brynjar Reko Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 30	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:55:00 - [40] - Quote Virtual Riot wrote: Harpyja wrote: I don't know if someone mentioned this earlier in this thread but your calculations are wrong. To get EHP values, you take HP / damage multiplier. So for shields, it's shield HP / .8 (didn't explosives do 130% to armor and 70% to shield?) So by your logic, if I have 50% resistance and 100 HP being affected by it, my EHP will be 200? That doesn't seem right bro If I get hit with 100 damage, and I resist 50% of that damage, I will take 50 damage. You're looking at it two different ways there. You could look at 50% resistance as either increasing your hp or decreasing enemy damage. If you consider it as increasing your HP, you could take 200 damage before dying, measuring the damage by what the weapon is putting out. You could also look at it as leaving your HP alone and reducing the damage done to you. If you look at it this way, a weapon that would normally do 100 damage a shot would do 50 damage a shot now, and it would take two shots of the lowered 50 damage to deplete your 100 HP.

Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 277	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:56:00 - [41] - Quote Well now my thoughts, they have given my python exactly what it needed and what I asked for,a couple hundred more HP. Extracting troops from hot LZ's might actually be possible now. I don't believe that ADS will be op either, seems about the right amount of HP. I can't really say which ADS is better out of the two, as I only fly caldari. Though I have always thought that the incubus is better suited for support than its caldari counterpart. Since its armor tanked those high slots could be used for cru or tactical equipment (scanners?) Where as the python has to use its highs for its tank. Though we are speaking ADS I'm sure most incubus pilots fit AB and shields. Food for thought though. I'm very much looking forward to 1.7 now
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2254	Posted - 2013.11.20 05:00:00 - [42] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Well now my thoughts, they have given my python exactly what it needed and what I asked for,a couple hundred more HP. Extracting troops from hot LZ's might actually be possible now. I don't believe that ADS will be op either, seems about the right amount of HP. I can't really say which ADS is better out of the two, as I only fly caldari. Though I have always thought that the incubus is better suited for support than its caldari counterpart. Since its armor tanked those high slots could be used for cru or tactical equipment (scanners?) Where as the python has to use its highs for its tank. Though we are speaking ADS I'm sure most incubus pilots fit AB and shields. Food for thought though. I'm very much looking forward to 1.7 now high slot incubus has one high slot ADS now have -2 slots than before. lol
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 277	Posted - 2013.11.20 05:05:00 - [43] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Well now my thoughts, they have given my python exactly what it needed and what I asked for,a couple hundred more HP. Extracting troops from hot LZ's might actually be possible now. I don't believe that ADS will be op either, seems about the right amount of HP. I can't really say which ADS is better out of the two, as I only fly caldari. Though I have always thought that the incubus is better suited for support than its caldari counterpart. Since its armor tanked those high slots could be used for cru or tactical equipment (scanners?) Where as the python has to use its highs for its tank. Though we are speaking ADS I'm sure most incubus pilots fit AB and shields. Food for thought though. I'm very much looking forward to 1.7 now high slot incubus has one high slot ADS now have -2 slots than before. lol Ah of course there is a catch. So they both lost one high and one low?
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 75	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:07:00 - [44] - Quote Yeah, they both lost a slot, but don't forget that fitting side turrets will now be optional, so that saves a lot of pg/cpu for more intense modules (aka hardeners)
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2310	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:16:00 - [45] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Well now my thoughts, they have given my python exactly what it needed and what I asked for,a couple hundred more HP. Extracting troops from hot LZ's might actually be possible now. I don't believe that ADS will be op either, seems about the right amount of HP. I can't really say which ADS is better out of the two, as I only fly caldari. Though I have always thought that the incubus is better suited for support than its caldari counterpart. Since its armor tanked those high slots could be used for cru or tactical equipment (scanners?) Where as the python has to use its highs for its tank. Though we are speaking ADS I'm sure most incubus pilots fit AB and shields. Food for thought though. I'm very much looking forward to 1.7 now high slot incubus has one high slot ADS now have -2 slots than before. lol Ah of course there is a catch. So they both lost one high and one low? yeeep
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2310	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:17:00 - [46] - Quote Virtual Riot wrote: Yeah, they both lost a slot, but don't forget that fitting side turrets will now be optional, so that saves a lot of pg/cpu for more intense modules (aka hardeners) theres not much room for any interesting fitting variability in DS anymore unless they're going to add advance versions soon with more slots. ADS both lost 1 high and 1 low slot, lost HP compared to std and may have less pg.cpu?
Adelia Lafayette DUST University Ivy League 439	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:19:00 - [47] - Quote I'm hope that small rails being finally fixed will make my incubus a tank hunter.
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 77	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:52:00 - [48] - Quote Shameless Bump for added content
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 621	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:54:00 - [49] - Quote Skilled Incubus Pilots Will rule the battlefield The blaster Melt Infatry really Fast, and Railguns can do more DMG per MAG than Missiles "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2320	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:55:00 - [50] - Quote Yeah, it looks like CCP dosn't know wth they're doing. surprise. Wouldn't be so bad if we didn't all know it'd take them another year to "rework it" and do it all wrong again.

Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2320	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:56:00 - [51] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Skilled Incubus Pilots Will rule the battlefield The blaster Melt Infatry really Fast, and Railguns can do more DMG per MAG than Missiles somebody hasn't used a small blaster since 1.5 I suggest you go try gunning with one right now. And rest assured, it won't be fixed in 1.7
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2320	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:57:00 - [52] - Quote Adelia Lafayette wrote: I'm hope that small rails being finally fixed will make my incubus a tank hunter. Not a chance in hell, with these guys
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 622	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:59:00 - [53] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Skilled Incubus Pilots Will rule the battlefield The blaster Melt Infatry really Fast, and Railguns can do more DMG per MAG than Missiles somebody hasn't used a small blaster since 1.5 I suggest you go try gunning with one right now. And rest assured, it won't be fixed in 1.7 Trust me, ive used it and i suck with it, but ive seen many ADS Pilots go 15/0 WITH scattered Ion cannons I HOPE they get better, if they dont, ill have to kill infantry without the ROF Bonus And Also Incubus Can Fit DMG Mods without sacrificing Tank, which will be a deadly combo with small railguns and MIGHT Compensate the lack of ROF from Missile Turrets "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 77	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:00:00 - [54] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Skilled Incubus Pilots Will rule the battlefield The blaster Melt Infatry really Fast, and Railguns can do more DMG per MAG than Missiles somebody hasn't used a small blaster since 1.5 I suggest you go try gunning with one right now. And rest assured, it won't be fixed in 1.7 Trust me, ive used it and i suck with it, but ive seen many ADS Pilots go 15/0 WITH scattered Ion cannons I HOPE they get better, if they dont, ill have to kill infantry without the ROF Bonus And Also Incubus Can Fit DMG Mods without sacrificing Tank, which will be a deadly combo with small railguns and MIGHT Compensate the lack of ROF from Missile Turrets Ahh, see I didnt think of that Incubus can fit the dmg mod without sacrificing tank This could be deadly with small railgun turrets
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 323	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:10:00 - [55] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Skilled Incubus Pilots Will rule the battlefield The blaster Melt Infatry really Fast, and Railguns can do more DMG per MAG than Missiles Python>Incubus -Can attack infantry+Vehicles with missiles. -Shields resist rails; Misslies are super effective to armour. -Rails actually do less per mag than missiles (377 max base for rails, 539.5 max base for missiles; each has the same number of rounds per mag and reload speed; rails fire roy but have over heat) -Missiles are more reliably accurate than rails. -More agile (if using plates). -Shield hardeners are awesome now. -Passive reps are awesome. -Shield booster are awesome. -Incubus smells funny. Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane Kills- Incubus: 2; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 10
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 622	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:38:00 - [56] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Skilled Incubus Pilots Will rule the battlefield The blaster Melt Infatry really Fast, and Railguns can do more DMG per MAG than Missiles Python>Incubus -Can attack infantry+Vehicles with missiles. -Shields resist rails; Misslies are super effective to armour. -Rails actually do less per mag than missiles (377 max base for rails, 539.5 max base for missiles; each has the same number of rounds per mag and reload speed; rails fire roy but have over heat) -Missiles are more reliably accurate than rails. -More agile (if using plates). -Shield hardeners are awesome now. -Passive reps are awesome. -Shield booster are awesome. -Incubus smells funny. 1: True 2: Rails are Hybrid with a 10% bonus to Shields 3: Rails have 24 Shots per Mag, Missiles only 8 4: They will use the Normal Accuracy of regular missiles not of accelerated turrets because it would be too power full = not as accurate as rails 5: Both are ADS and both should have almost the same agility. The extra plates will be canceled by the Armor Composition Skill 6: Agree 7: Passive Reps? 8: But they dont rep that much shields 9: It has the smell of his enemies tears "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot


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