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Rogue Saint Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 388	Posted - 2013.11.18 09:57:00 - [1] - Quote Day after day it seems I'm going up against more and more Heavies with light weapons. Full squads running AR's or ScR's (proto too). Sure I curse at these players who, IMO, have very little skill and need tons of EHP to be competitive. Yeah its part of the game mechanic that allows this and yes its legit, but can you imagine if all matches ended up with 16 v 16 Heavies with light weapons? GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2242	Posted - 2013.11.18 10:01:00 - [2] - Quote Thank you remote explosives. But really I'm thinking it's still allowed because Heavys only have 2 weapons, or they can't be bothered to fix it looking at that 'fight your own war' trailer....... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 A grunt of STB
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4538	Posted - 2013.11.18 10:03:00 - [3] - Quote Because heavies aren't that slow compared to the HP. Scouts lose 135 HP and gain 0.6 sprint speed. Heavies gain 700+ HP and lose 1.9 m/s. Put some kin cats on it, and my heavy is faster than most armor tanking medium frames, and still has more eHP. If it wasn't for the loss of an equipment slot I would almost call them OP. >_> Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 990	Posted - 2013.11.18 10:07:00 - [4] - Quote Well it shows the heavies are actually useful, however the heavy weapon need some tweaking and variety, but should be seeing them rather. Why you are seeing them now though? Everyone is brick tanking at the moment! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 818	Posted - 2013.11.18 10:08:00 - [5] - Quote Are you seeing them in PC or pubs? Because in pubs anything works. "If your enemy is equal prepare for him, if greater elude him, if weaker.... crush him"
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 230	Posted - 2013.11.18 10:13:00 - [6] - Quote I've never seen a squad of heavies. The lack of mobility and scanner would make it very easy to get the drop on them, which with the current TTK is probably more valuable than extra HP. 4 heavies and 2 tanked gallente logis with proto scanner and hives might be a more effective combination.
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2641	Posted - 2013.11.18 10:18:00 - [7] - Quote Really? I find heavies that run the AR to be easier to kill. Wait till they run out of shots in their magazine, then go for headshots. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San 545	Posted - 2013.11.18 10:22:00 - [8] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Really? I find heavies that run the AR to be easier to kill. Wait till they run out of shots in their magazine, then go for headshots. unloading on a heavys domepiece is fun. you know they rage at your dps haha
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 364	Posted - 2013.11.18 10:30:00 - [9] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Day after day it seems I'm going up against more and more Heavies with light weapons. Full squads running AR's or ScR's (proto too). Sure I curse at these players who, IMO, have very little skill and need tons of EHP to be competitive. Yeah its part of the game mechanic that allows this and yes its legit, but can you imagine if all matches ended up with 16 v 16 Heavies with light weapons? CCP has made armor and shields a running joke as hit detection improved. Effect: People use Heavies because they have to stack fewer mods to get the same HP. Bullet weapon damage skyrocketed... any rapid-fire weapon had it's damage nearly doubled. Result: Small handheld weaponry such as the AR and SMG took center stage. Combined with Heavy Machine Guns don't actually operate how people expect (no spread at all apparently) but even those who did figure it out realize that the HMG has shorter range than the AR... RESULT: Heavies with AR's. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 230	Posted - 2013.11.18 10:39:00 - [10] - Quote The other thing is the massive hitbox on the heavy (including big fat head), which means their effective HP advantage over medium suits is nothing like as much as it looks on paper.

THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1252	Posted - 2013.11.18 11:34:00 - [11] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Thank you remote explosives. But really I'm thinking it's still allowed because Heavys only have 2 weapons, or they can't be bothered to fix it looking at that 'fight your own war' trailer....... I'm a proto sentinel and I honestly believe heavy dropsuits should not be able to carry any light weapon in it's heavy weapon slot. As I've been saying the last week: "** that piece of running around in a heavy suit" ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| Losematar** Scout What is a signature?
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 232	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:09:00 - [12] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Thank you remote explosives. But really I'm thinking it's still allowed because Heavys only have 2 weapons, or they can't be bothered to fix it looking at that 'fight your own war' trailer....... I'm a proto sentinel and I honestly believe heavy dropsuits should not be able to carry any light weapon in it's heavy weapon slot. As I've been saying the last week: "** that piece of running around in a heavy suit" Ryme Intrinseca wrote:** The other thing is the massive hitbox on the heavy (including big fat head), which means their effective HP advantage over medium suits is nothing like as much as it looks on paper. Except that's completely irrelevant considering I run more shields on my sentinel than the average dropsuit has EHP. I also have twice as much armor as shields. It would only be irrelevant if the big hit box made no difference to how easy it was to hit you. I think you mean something more like 'I can live with the big hitbox because I have so much HP', which is fine, but rather a different point.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7731	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:12:00 - [13] - Quote It takes more skill to track a dancing medium than it does to hit a slow ass heavy Get good? Words / Vids / OSG
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 131	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:17:00 - [14] - Quote yeah we now have fake heavies to go along with the fake logis. working as intended CCP?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7731	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:27:00 - [15] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: yeah we now have fake heavies to go along with the fake logis. working as intended CCP? When the AR outperforms HMGs in almost all situations, you can't blame players for going what keeps them competitive, instead of what makes them a joke. Words / Vids / OSG
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1258	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:29:00 - [16] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Day after day it seems I'm going up against more and more Heavies with light weapons. Full squads running AR's or ScR's (proto too). Sure I curse at these players who, IMO, have very little skill and need tons of EHP to be competitive. Yeah its part of the game mechanic that allows this and yes its legit, but can you imagine if all matches ended up with 16 v 16 Heavies with light weapons? I hope so, my rep tool is bored will all the ASSaults running around. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1258	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:31:00 - [17] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Kam Elto wrote: yeah we now have fake heavies to go along with the fake logis. working as intended CCP? When the AR outperforms HMGs in almost all situations, you can't blame players for going what keeps them competitive, instead of what makes them a joke. I would like to see all weapon dps but the HMG pulled back 10% and a give the assault classes a 1% increase per level of assault to racial weapon dps bonus. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1176	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:34:00 - [18] - Quote Honestly, I think the Heavy HP buff was a mistake. It just encourages exactly what the OP is describing. CCP should address the weird laser aiming of the HMG instead and roll back the HP changes. Heavy Suit should = Heavy Weapons. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 100/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4518	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:34:00 - [19] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: Are you seeing them in PC or pubs? Because in pubs anything works. ^ ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 131	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:37:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Kam Elto wrote: yeah we now have fake heavies to go along with the fake logis. working as intended CCP? When the AR outperforms HMGs in almost all situations, you can't blame players for going what keeps them competitive, instead of what makes them a joke. it's not just ARs that the fake heavies are equipping. they are an abomination and should be expelled from the Fatties Union.

Rogue Saint Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 391	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:38:00 - [21] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: Are you seeing them in PC or pubs? Because in pubs anything works. Both. DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Really? I find heavies that run the AR to be easier to kill. Wait till they run out of shots in their magazine, then go for headshots. Its not the issue of killing them, its the prevalence of them. GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 302	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:39:00 - [22] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: I would like to see all weapon dps but the HMG pulled back 10% and a give the assault classes a 1% increase per level of assault to racial weapon dps bonus. That seems a little heavy handed for the SG,NK,LR,SP,PLc,FP and probably more. HMGs are not the only weapon that cannot compete with ARs,ScRs.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4519	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:40:00 - [23] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Kam Elto wrote: yeah we now have fake heavies to go along with the fake logis. working as intended CCP? When the AR outperforms HMGs in almost all situations, you can't blame players for going what keeps them competitive, instead of what makes them a joke. it's not just ARs that the fake heavies are equipping. they are an abomination and should be expelled from the Fatties Union. Can't blame them. No respec. So if they spent most of their SP into the suit, then that's what they're forced to use. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4519	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:41:00 - [24] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: Are you seeing them in PC or pubs? Because in pubs anything works. Both. Probably bad corps, cuz let's face it, no corp worth a damn would use heavies in a competitive game lol Edit: No but seriously, why use heavies when medium suits + AR does the same thing better? ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Rogue Saint Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 391	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:43:00 - [25] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Can't blame them. No respec. So if they spent most of their SP into the suit, then that's what they're forced to use. I can't accept that, it doesn't take that long to get into an ADV assault and they will already have many of the supporting skills (core/shield/armour) to run that suit. A respec means nothing. GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 132	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:45:00 - [26] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Kam Elto wrote: yeah we now have fake heavies to go along with the fake logis. working as intended CCP? When the AR outperforms HMGs in almost all situations, you can't blame players for going what keeps them competitive, instead of what makes them a joke. it's not just ARs that the fake heavies are equipping. they are an abomination and should be expelled from the Fatties Union. for some yes but then there's others like that clown from Southern Legion who was redline Thales sniping in a Proto Sentinel suit yesterday.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4519	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:45:00 - [27] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Can't blame them. No respec. So if they spent most of their SP into the suit, then that's what they're forced to use. I can't accept that, it doesn't take that long to get into an ADV assault and they will already have many of the supporting skills (core/shield/armour) to run that suit. A respec means nothing. For you! Some people might not want to spend SP on another suit. Some people don't have the time to waste to put SP elsewhere. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7731	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:46:00 - [28] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: Kam Elto wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Kam Elto wrote: yeah we now have fake heavies to go along with the fake logis. working as intended CCP? When the AR outperforms HMGs in almost all situations, you can't blame players for going what keeps them competitive, instead of what makes them a joke. it's not just ARs that the fake heavies are equipping. they are an abomination and should be expelled from the Fatties Union. for some yes but then there's others like that clown from Southern Legion who was redline Thales sniping in a Proto Sentinel suit yesterday. So you're upset that we have fitting options? Heavies have always been the best countersnipers because of their HP, where other suits are more suited to "hit and run" style sniping, since they're harder to spot and can carry hives, or more. Words / Vids / OSG
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1694	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:57:00 - [29] - Quote Its because the AR/SCR get a bonus of being super awesome accurate with aim assist on Also tank doesnt means ** anymore, its all about damage because time to kill is on its ***** knees So FG is okay from distance, but the HMG is inferior compared to the SMG/AR/SCR since aim assist doesnt work on the HMG
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS 778	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:21:00 - [30] - Quote If you are fitting an AR instead of a HMG after learning that hmg's are laser accurate, you are a moron. I've been pounding fake heavies into the ground with my mh-82, scouts mediums, they are all in trouble. Been sniping suits off of towers with my mh-82, that was fun. Killed laser guys faster than laser guys could kill me at range. weeeee. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7731	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:24:00 - [31] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: If you are fitting an AR instead of a HMG after learning that hmg's are laser accurate, you are a moron. I've been pounding fake heavies into the ground with my mh-82, scouts mediums, they are all in trouble. Been sniping suits off of towers with my mh-82, that was fun. Killed laser guys faster than laser guys could kill me at range. weeeee. I've yet to run across an HMG tool who beats my AR in a real fight. It's all about range and headshots. Words / Vids / OSG
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4522	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:25:00 - [32] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: If you are fitting an AR instead of a HMG after learning that hmg's are laser accurate, you are a moron. I've been pounding fake heavies into the ground with my mh-82, scouts mediums, they are all in trouble. Been sniping suits off of towers with my mh-82, that was fun. Killed laser guys faster than laser guys could kill me at range. weeeee. aaaah the joys of playing scrub players... no wonder why people don't want to leave DUST ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Gorra Snell The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 229	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:26:00 - [33] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Sure I curse at these players who, IMO, have very little skill and need tons of EHP to be competitive. ...are you complaining about players being bad? Should we nerf them, and if so, would nerfing their badness make them better or worse? Remove RDVs from the game.
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS 778	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:27:00 - [34] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: If you are fitting an AR instead of a HMG after learning that hmg's are laser accurate, you are a moron. I've been pounding fake heavies into the ground with my mh-82, scouts mediums, they are all in trouble. Been sniping suits off of towers with my mh-82, that was fun. Killed laser guys faster than laser guys could kill me at range. weeeee. aaaah the joys of playing scrub players... no wonder why people don't want to leave DUST I've beaten you every time we met on the field, don't make assumptions about my opposition (it's always nian, imperfects, outer haven, used to be team players too, haven't seen them in a while.) Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Drapedup Drippedout G.U.T.Z 77	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:29:00 - [35] - Quote personally I feel like Heavies are finally competitive again. Not OP at all, but also not squishy like 1.5/1/6. They are slow enough to evade, big enough to see coming. If you cannot escape from a heavy, then you got to close! Given the TTK, heavy suit scan profile, how common scanners are; I can't buy into the argument that heavies are OP. Even if a Heavy speed tanks with an AR, he's easier to kill than a proto Gallente Logi with an AR! Heavies are meant to be built like a brick shithouse, deliver some heavy fire, and move slow. They do all 3 well. If anything fix dispersion on the HMG. IMO, CCP is closest to having the heavy suit balanced out of all suits. Logis have too many slots, assaults/scouts don't have enough. But heavies are finally close to 'just right'. Just get them their weapons. No I'm not a heavy, I'm a Min assault.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 126	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:55:00 - [36] - Quote I run two main setups; The first is an anti-vehicle anti-installation set up which includes a Forge gun and a submachinegun and the second is an anti-infantry set up using an assault rifle and a submachinegun until they fix the heavy machine gun so it's not beat by any of these weapons this is the set up I will use to remain competitive
SoTarian PoParrazi Shining Flame Amarr Empire 278	Posted - 2013.11.18 17:33:00 - [37] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: It takes more skill to track a dancing medium than it does to hit a slow ass heavy Get good? THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^ As annoying as you guys find it - a heavy with AR is not a competitive player. At best it's just a bit of support, because a 1v1 medium range dance between heavy vs any other class finds the heavy taking a lot more shots, and landing a lot less. Even with AR we have to get close up so your hitbox isn't so hard to hit compared to ours. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ - Let's make a contract!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7737	Posted - 2013.11.18 17:37:00 - [38] - Quote SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It takes more skill to track a dancing medium than it does to hit a slow ass heavy Get good? THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^ As annoying as you guys find it - a heavy with AR is not a competitive player. At best it's just a bit of support, because a 1v1 medium range dance between heavy vs any other class finds the heavy taking a lot more shots, and landing a lot less. Even with AR we have to get close up so your hitbox isn't so hard to hit compared to ours. Don't be hatin', I was using the AR fatty looooong before it was cool Words / Vids / OSG
Eltra Ardell Goonfeet Top Men. 201	Posted - 2013.11.18 17:40:00 - [39] - Quote Heavy suits are the only suits that can mount enough EHP to last any real period of time under fire these days. The AR is a hell of a lot better than the HMG. This isn't surprising at all.
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1963	Posted - 2013.11.18 17:45:00 - [40] - Quote I've been walking around in my "Templar Sentinel" with my "Exile Assault Rifle" I used to do Heavy/AR when the Breach Assault rifle was viable way back when. The other day I did an experiment, use a AR in place of an HMG and see how it outperforms the HMG. Heavies like being Heavies. Slow movement, high ehp. They should hold whatever weapon they want, especially when there HMG is a gimped pea shooter that is inferior to the SMG. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7739	Posted - 2013.11.18 17:48:00 - [41] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: I've been walking around in my "Templar Sentinel" with my "Exile Assault Rifle" I used to do Heavy/AR when the Breach Assault rifle was viable way back when. The other day I did an experiment, use a AR in place of an HMG and see how it outperforms the HMG. Heavies like being Heavies. Slow movement, high ehp. They should hold whatever weapon they want, especially when there HMG is a gimped pea shooter that is inferior to the SMG. If you guys want to say Heavies can't have light weapons, than sure, if Logis can only have sidearms. That way we can just turn the game into Assault 514 and delete the heavy and logi class. We will leave the scouts in game for the lulz. I <3 my 100% BPO AR fatty, too much fun Words / Vids / OSG
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1328	Posted - 2013.11.18 17:59:00 - [42] - Quote 1200 HP without a single module. Heavy Weapons suck versus their Light Weapons counterparts. So, why not? I got cussed at about an incident involving 4 dead reds that tried to shoot me up and got almost their entire squad one-shotted with a Plasma Cannon. I can feel my name in flames when a Duvolle finds its way on my Fatty. But, like Grandma used to say, "**** 'em." Cheeseburgers.
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1964	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:19:00 - [43] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: 1200 HP without a single module. Heavy Weapons suck versus their Light Weapons counterparts. So, why not? I got cussed at about an incident involving 4 dead reds that tried to shoot me up and got almost their entire squad one-shotted with a Plasma Cannon. I can feel my name in flames when a Duvolle finds its way on my Fatty. But, like Grandma used to say, "**** 'em." Bacon Cheeser Burger with an Onion Ring and Sum BBQ Sauce. Your move. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 193	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:46:00 - [44] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Day after day it seems I'm going up against more and more Heavies with light weapons. Full squads running AR's or ScR's (proto too). Sure I curse at these players who, IMO, have very little skill and need tons of EHP to be competitive. Yeah its part of the game mechanic that allows this and yes its legit, but can you imagine if all matches ended up with 16 v 16 Heavies with light weapons? People are just trying to get their TTK back up to what feels right. This trend will probably continue. an easy fix to Matchmaking
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 91	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:45:00 - [45] - Quote I have been running heavy with AR for a while now. The main reason I do it is cost versus survivability. For half the cost im sitting at a higher ehp making it way way more efficient in CQC. Also, I will be the first to admit that I do not have great gun game so yes I take a little bit of refuge in my higher hitpoints.
ER-Bullitt 593	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:54:00 - [46] - Quote Lazer/Flaylock heavy FTW
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 971	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:55:00 - [47] - Quote When I run my heavy I run it with an HMG, but I am also thinking on experimenting with a SMG to replace the HMG. Also a heavy running an AR is not a fake heavy they are just adapting to the current environment. Do not eat the yellow snow
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1469	Posted - 2013.11.18 21:07:00 - [48] - Quote Look at all the people telling others to to play... Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Rogue Saint Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 391	Posted - 2013.11.18 21:10:00 - [49] - Quote calvin b wrote: When I run my heavy I run it with an HMG, but I am also thinking on experimenting with a SMG to replace the HMG. Also a heavy running an AR is not a fake heavy they are just adapting to the current environment. OK, let me strap a forge/HMG to my scout then.... GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1469	Posted - 2013.11.18 21:14:00 - [50] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: OK, let me strap a forge/HMG to my scout then.... If the game will let you, sure, why not... Oh wait Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game

Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4524	Posted - 2013.11.18 21:44:00 - [51] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: If you are fitting an AR instead of a HMG after learning that hmg's are laser accurate, you are a moron. I've been pounding fake heavies into the ground with my mh-82, scouts mediums, they are all in trouble. Been sniping suits off of towers with my mh-82, that was fun. Killed laser guys faster than laser guys could kill me at range. weeeee. aaaah the joys of playing scrub players... no wonder why people don't want to leave DUST I've beaten you every time we met on the field, don't make assumptions about my opposition (it's always nian, imperfects, outer haven, used to be team players too, haven't seen them in a while.) i don't even know you, plus i haven't played this game in months... when I did play was mainly PC. If you killed me in PC, big whoop. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
ER-Bullitt 594	Posted - 2013.11.18 22:16:00 - [52] - Quote U got trolled...lolol
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 90	Posted - 2013.11.18 22:21:00 - [53] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Day after day it seems I'm going up against more and more Heavies with light weapons. Full squads running AR's or ScR's (proto too). Sure I curse at these players who, IMO, have very little skill and need tons of EHP to be competitive. Yeah its part of the game mechanic that allows this and yes its legit, but can you imagine if all matches ended up with 16 v 16 Heavies with light weapons? I'd do the same i do vs proto bears. Remote. Explosives. I win....
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS 784	Posted - 2013.11.18 22:25:00 - [54] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: If you are fitting an AR instead of a HMG after learning that hmg's are laser accurate, you are a moron. I've been pounding fake heavies into the ground with my mh-82, scouts mediums, they are all in trouble. Been sniping suits off of towers with my mh-82, that was fun. Killed laser guys faster than laser guys could kill me at range. weeeee. aaaah the joys of playing scrub players... no wonder why people don't want to leave DUST I've beaten you every time we met on the field, don't make assumptions about my opposition (it's always nian, imperfects, outer haven, used to be team players too, haven't seen them in a while.) i don't even know you, plus i haven't played this game in months... when I did play was mainly PC. If you killed me in PC, big whoop. Everybody and their grandmother killed me at some point in PC... nothing to write home about. But I like your little chest beating rant. Please tell me more about your adventures I remember the first day you played. Killed you then. No one remembers me, which is perfect. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4524	Posted - 2013.11.18 22:33:00 - [55] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: If you are fitting an AR instead of a HMG after learning that hmg's are laser accurate, you are a moron. I've been pounding fake heavies into the ground with my mh-82, scouts mediums, they are all in trouble. Been sniping suits off of towers with my mh-82, that was fun. Killed laser guys faster than laser guys could kill me at range. weeeee. aaaah the joys of playing scrub players... no wonder why people don't want to leave DUST I've beaten you every time we met on the field, don't make assumptions about my opposition (it's always nian, imperfects, outer haven, used to be team players too, haven't seen them in a while.) i don't even know you, plus i haven't played this game in months... when I did play was mainly PC. If you killed me in PC, big whoop. Everybody and their grandmother killed me at some point in PC... nothing to write home about. But I like your little chest beating rant. Please tell me more about your adventures I remember the first day you played. Killed you then. No one remembers me, which is perfect. The first day I played?... you killed me then?...lol? You remember when people first played a game? smh ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
RA Drahcir Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 296	Posted - 2013.11.18 22:57:00 - [56] - Quote First, heavy QQ thread, LOL. My ADV minlogi has more survivability than my PRO Sentinel. At least mediums can break contact and regen. In my heavy I have to stand my ground hope I out DPS ARs, SGs, RE throwers, nade cookers, SMGs and ScRs bunny hopping/strafing with dmg mods and high proficiencies. I exclusively use the HMG on 1 level/CQC/urbans areas, laser for open ground, AScR/SMG for everything else. HMG is laser accurate? Yes against stationary/slow moving targets (heavies). Mediums/lights can outmaneuver HMGs while they have the trigger held down, ever notice how slow an HMG turns while firing? You have to have disciplined and controlled target acquisition with a HMG, or you can pick up a light weapon and be competitive with all of these ballerinas.
Rogue Saint Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 393	Posted - 2013.11.18 23:10:00 - [57] - Quote RA Drahcir wrote: First, heavy QQ thread, LOL. QQ'ing? I'm not, I'm asking a legitimate question about the prevalence of heavies with light weapons. RA Drahcir wrote: You have to have disciplined and controlled target acquisition with a HMG, or you can pick up a light weapon and be competitive with all of these ballerinas. So why the need for a heavy frame? If you strap a AR on it? GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1965	Posted - 2013.11.18 23:31:00 - [58] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: RA Drahcir wrote: First, heavy QQ thread, LOL. QQ'ing? I'm not, I'm asking a legitimate question about the prevalence of heavies with light weapons. RA Drahcir wrote: You have to have disciplined and controlled target acquisition with a HMG, or you can pick up a light weapon and be competitive with all of these ballerinas. So why the need for a heavy frame? If you strap a AR on it? They need the heavy frame to eat bullets. It is a defense/breach class. In your squad formation sometimes it is better to breach the door with the heavy, take the concentrated fire, and let your suicidal scouts and gal/cal logis storm the room. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1258	Posted - 2013.11.18 23:37:00 - [59] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: calvin b wrote: When I run my heavy I run it with an HMG, but I am also thinking on experimenting with a SMG to replace the HMG. Also a heavy running an AR is not a fake heavy they are just adapting to the current environment. OK, let me strap a forge/HMG to my scout then.... You'll die before it spins up. Or, in the case of a forge, charges up. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1331	Posted - 2013.11.19 00:02:00 - [60] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: Bacon Cheeser Burger with an Onion Ring and Sum BBQ Sauce. Your move. Bacon, agreed. BBQ sauce and onion rings, gross. Cheese, meat, bread. Maybe mayo. Maybe avocado. (Time to cook dinner. Now.) Cheeseburgers.

Himiko Kuronaga The Generals EoN. 2324	Posted - 2013.11.19 00:04:00 - [61] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Day after day it seems I'm going up against more and more Heavies with light weapons. Full squads running AR's or ScR's (proto too). Sure I curse at these players who, IMO, have very little skill and need tons of EHP to be competitive. Yeah its part of the game mechanic that allows this and yes its legit, but can you imagine if all matches ended up with 16 v 16 Heavies with light weapons? From my point of view, you are unskilled because you need OP strafe speeds to mitigate damage you would otherwise receive from idiotic tactical positioning. hurr hurr hurr
RA Drahcir Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 296	Posted - 2013.11.19 00:10:00 - [62] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: RA Drahcir wrote: First, heavy QQ thread, LOL. QQ'ing? I'm not, I'm asking a legitimate question about the prevalence of heavies with light weapons. RA Drahcir wrote: You have to have disciplined and controlled target acquisition with a HMG, or you can pick up a light weapon and be competitive with all of these ballerinas. So why the need for a heavy frame? If you strap a AR on it? HMG is too situational. Because it takes nearly a million SP to get the light weapon to proficiency 3 and another 2.5 million to get an assault/logi/scout proto suit.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 170	Posted - 2013.11.19 00:11:00 - [63] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Day after day it seems I'm going up against more and more Heavies with light weapons. Full squads running AR's or ScR's (proto too). Sure I curse at these players who, IMO, have very little skill and need tons of EHP to be competitive. Yeah its part of the game mechanic that allows this and yes its legit, but can you imagine if all matches ended up with 16 v 16 Heavies with light weapons? I can only hope then my scout will be relevant again.
Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 146	Posted - 2013.11.19 01:03:00 - [64] - Quote 1) Of course heavies are using light weapons, they only have two heavy weapons to choose from. 2) Medium with light weapons > Heavy with light weapons If you standing there trying to win a match of HP and DPS against an AR heavy... You're just doing it all wrong. It doesn't matter what weapon they're using. They are still fat and easy to hit.
Vesago Ghostcore Rejected Clones 89	Posted - 2013.11.19 01:33:00 - [65] - Quote Seems to me that a sentinel suit is supposed to use Light primary weapons given its bonuses. Since only one heavy weapon builds up heat, I would naturally assume that it was intended to use the SCR or Laser Rifle, and the Heavy weapons would be an option due to the heavy frame. That being said, I don't see much issue with roles when a Heavy dons the AR. It would actually make better sense to run it with the SCR though.
Azri Sarum BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 134	Posted - 2013.11.19 03:06:00 - [66] - Quote I have been giving a standard sentinel + gek fit a go this past week. Frankly, it feels nice, and has been a hell of a lot more fun to play than any of the light/medium fits i have. Slow, sure, but excellent for point defense / offense where speed and mobility are hindered. Its also a very cost effective way to get hitpoints. 1200 for essentially free. A cheap way to counter the lower TTK we have now. I think thats really the crux of the issue, short TTK's. Players do not like dying, and so they will seek out builds that will help them stay alive. Brick tanking was the first symptom of this. Next came a gravitation towards heavy suits, who have all the hitpoints you could want baked in. Until the TTK is addressed i would not be surprised to see this trend continue. EVE - Victor Maximus DUST - Azri Sarum
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 399	Posted - 2013.11.19 03:08:00 - [67] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Day after day it seems I'm going up against more and more Heavies with light weapons. Full squads running AR's or ScR's (proto too). Sure I curse at these players who, IMO, have very little skill and need tons of EHP to be competitive. Yeah its part of the game mechanic that allows this and yes its legit, but can you imagine if all matches ended up with 16 v 16 Heavies with light weapons? The only real way to see where this game is going is to watch PC where the real competition is at. I can promise you this. It's not happening in PC. The only reason why you are seeing it is because people think that a couple hundred more HP will make the difference in the game. Little do they know that it won't help them survive longer than an extra second. They'll still be useless with light logi support, with lack of speed, with lack of hack bonus, with lack of everything else other than what a heavy is good for which is rendered useless with a 60 round clip in a long duration fight and without logi support. Director (Management) D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1787	Posted - 2013.11.19 03:12:00 - [68] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Really? I find heavies that run the AR to be easier to kill. Wait till they run out of shots in their magazine, then go for headshots. these are the good kind for me slow target+knifes :) GÇƒSpilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" - Draxus Prime The Master of the Nova Knifes Closed Beta Vet
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7757	Posted - 2013.11.19 03:19:00 - [69] - Quote You think a HMG with a logi repping him is scary? Try an AR fatty near cover with a rep on him. ******* amazing Words / Vids / OSG
SoTarian PoParrazi Shining Flame Amarr Empire 285	Posted - 2013.11.19 03:21:00 - [70] - Quote Are heavies getting you down? Is shooting them not working because of logi? Act now, and for the low low price of 1.5million SP - you too can throw core locus nades and kill them both at once! n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ - Let's make a contract!

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7759	Posted - 2013.11.19 03:22:00 - [71] - Quote SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: Are heavies getting you down? Is shooting them not working because of logi? Act now, and for the low low price of 1.5million SP - you too can throw core locus nades and kill them both at once! Core Lolcus grenades > all the things Words / Vids / OSG
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 93	Posted - 2013.11.19 03:24:00 - [72] - Quote SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: Are heavies getting you down? Is shooting them not working because of logi? Act now, and for the low low price of 1.5million SP - you too can throw core locus nades and kill them both at once! You got my +1 and vote for funniest post of the night.
ELITE INQUISITOR Eternal Beings 16	Posted - 2013.11.19 04:01:00 - [73] - Quote There are more heavies using ar's and scrambler rifles because the hmg is no good at long range, and the ar when put against a hmg in close range has better dps. All ar users have to do against a hmg is get on a roof or run out to 30 meters and they are practically invicible. If you accept your limitations you go beyond them


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