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Rogue Saint
Science For Death
The Shadow Eclipse
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Posted - 2013.11.18 09:57:00 -
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Day after day it seems I'm going up against more and more Heavies with light weapons. Full squads running AR's or ScR's (proto too). Sure I curse at these players who, IMO, have very little skill and need tons of EHP to be competitive.
Yeah its part of the game mechanic that allows this and yes its legit, but can you imagine if all matches ended up with 16 v 16 Heavies with light weapons?
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
2242
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Posted - 2013.11.18 10:01:00 -
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Thank you remote explosives.
But really I'm thinking it's still allowed because Heavys only have 2 weapons, or they can't be bothered to fix it looking at that 'fight your own war' trailer.......
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4538
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Posted - 2013.11.18 10:03:00 -
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Because heavies aren't that slow compared to the HP.
Scouts lose 135 HP and gain 0.6 sprint speed.
Heavies gain 700+ HP and lose 1.9 m/s.
Put some kin cats on it, and my heavy is faster than most armor tanking medium frames, and still has more eHP.
If it wasn't for the loss of an equipment slot I would almost call them OP.
>_>
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
990
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Posted - 2013.11.18 10:07:00 -
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Well it shows the heavies are actually useful, however the heavy weapon need some tweaking and variety, but should be seeing them rather.
Why you are seeing them now though? Everyone is brick tanking at the moment!
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Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2013.11.18 10:08:00 -
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Are you seeing them in PC or pubs? Because in pubs anything works.
"If your enemy is equal prepare for him, if greater elude him, if weaker.... crush him"
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Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
230
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Posted - 2013.11.18 10:13:00 -
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I've never seen a squad of heavies. The lack of mobility and scanner would make it very easy to get the drop on them, which with the current TTK is probably more valuable than extra HP. 4 heavies and 2 tanked gallente logis with proto scanner and hives might be a more effective combination. |
DeadlyAztec11
Gallente Federation
2641
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Posted - 2013.11.18 10:18:00 -
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Really? I find heavies that run the AR to be easier to kill. Wait till they run out of shots in their magazine, then go for headshots.
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Nyain San
545
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Posted - 2013.11.18 10:22:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Really? I find heavies that run the AR to be easier to kill. Wait till they run out of shots in their magazine, then go for headshots.
unloading on a heavys domepiece is fun. you know they rage at your dps haha |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
364
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Posted - 2013.11.18 10:30:00 -
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Rogue Saint wrote:Day after day it seems I'm going up against more and more Heavies with light weapons. Full squads running AR's or ScR's (proto too). Sure I curse at these players who, IMO, have very little skill and need tons of EHP to be competitive.
Yeah its part of the game mechanic that allows this and yes its legit, but can you imagine if all matches ended up with 16 v 16 Heavies with light weapons?
CCP has made armor and shields a running joke as hit detection improved.
Effect: People use Heavies because they have to stack fewer mods to get the same HP.
Bullet weapon damage skyrocketed... any rapid-fire weapon had it's damage nearly doubled.
Result: Small handheld weaponry such as the AR and SMG took center stage.
Combined with Heavy Machine Guns don't actually operate how people expect (no spread at all apparently) but even those who did figure it out realize that the HMG has shorter range than the AR...
RESULT:
Heavies with AR's.
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Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
230
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Posted - 2013.11.18 10:39:00 -
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The other thing is the massive hitbox on the heavy (including big fat head), which means their effective HP advantage over medium suits is nothing like as much as it looks on paper. |
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THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
1252
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Posted - 2013.11.18 11:34:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Thank you remote explosives.
But really I'm thinking it's still allowed because Heavys only have 2 weapons, or they can't be bothered to fix it looking at that 'fight your own war' trailer.......
I'm a proto sentinel and I honestly believe heavy dropsuits should not be able to carry any light weapon in it's heavy weapon slot.
As I've been saying the last week:
"**** that piece of **** running around in a heavy suit" 
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Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
232
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:09:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Thank you remote explosives.
But really I'm thinking it's still allowed because Heavys only have 2 weapons, or they can't be bothered to fix it looking at that 'fight your own war' trailer....... I'm a proto sentinel and I honestly believe heavy dropsuits should not be able to carry any light weapon in it's heavy weapon slot. As I've been saying the last week: "**** that piece of **** running around in a heavy suit" Ryme Intrinseca wrote:The other thing is the massive hitbox on the heavy (including big fat head), which means their effective HP advantage over medium suits is nothing like as much as it looks on paper. Except that's completely irrelevant considering I run more shields on my sentinel than the average dropsuit has EHP. I also have twice as much armor as shields.
It would only be irrelevant if the big hit box made no difference to how easy it was to hit you. I think you mean something more like 'I can live with the big hitbox because I have so much HP', which is fine, but rather a different point. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
7731
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:12:00 -
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It takes more skill to track a dancing medium than it does to hit a slow ass heavy
Get good?
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Kam Elto
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
131
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:17:00 -
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yeah we now have fake heavies to go along with the fake logis. working as intended CCP? |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
7731
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:27:00 -
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Kam Elto wrote:yeah we now have fake heavies to go along with the fake logis. working as intended CCP?
When the AR outperforms HMGs in almost all situations, you can't blame players for going what keeps them competitive, instead of what makes them a joke.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1258
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:29:00 -
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Rogue Saint wrote:Day after day it seems I'm going up against more and more Heavies with light weapons. Full squads running AR's or ScR's (proto too). Sure I curse at these players who, IMO, have very little skill and need tons of EHP to be competitive.
Yeah its part of the game mechanic that allows this and yes its legit, but can you imagine if all matches ended up with 16 v 16 Heavies with light weapons?
I hope so, my rep tool is bored will all the ASSaults running around.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1258
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:31:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Kam Elto wrote:yeah we now have fake heavies to go along with the fake logis. working as intended CCP? When the AR outperforms HMGs in almost all situations, you can't blame players for going what keeps them competitive, instead of what makes them a joke.
I would like to see all weapon dps but the HMG pulled back 10% and a give the assault classes a 1% increase per level of assault to racial weapon dps bonus.
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
1176
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:34:00 -
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Honestly, I think the Heavy HP buff was a mistake. It just encourages exactly what the OP is describing.
CCP should address the weird laser aiming of the HMG instead and roll back the HP changes. Heavy Suit should = Heavy Weapons.
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
4518
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:34:00 -
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Tectonious Falcon wrote:Are you seeing them in PC or pubs? Because in pubs anything works.
^
( ._.) <('.'<)
"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Kam Elto
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
131
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:37:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Kam Elto wrote:yeah we now have fake heavies to go along with the fake logis. working as intended CCP? When the AR outperforms HMGs in almost all situations, you can't blame players for going what keeps them competitive, instead of what makes them a joke. it's not just ARs that the fake heavies are equipping. they are an abomination and should be expelled from the Fatties Union.
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Rogue Saint
Science For Death
The Shadow Eclipse
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:38:00 -
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Tectonious Falcon wrote:Are you seeing them in PC or pubs? Because in pubs anything works.
Both.
DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Really? I find heavies that run the AR to be easier to kill. Wait till they run out of shots in their magazine, then go for headshots.
Its not the issue of killing them, its the prevalence of them.
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
Top Men.
302
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:39:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:
I would like to see all weapon dps but the HMG pulled back 10% and a give the assault classes a 1% increase per level of assault to racial weapon dps bonus.
That seems a little heavy handed for the SG,NK,LR,SP,PLc,FP and probably more.
HMGs are not the only weapon that cannot compete with ARs,ScRs. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
4519
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:40:00 -
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Kam Elto wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Kam Elto wrote:yeah we now have fake heavies to go along with the fake logis. working as intended CCP? When the AR outperforms HMGs in almost all situations, you can't blame players for going what keeps them competitive, instead of what makes them a joke. it's not just ARs that the fake heavies are equipping. they are an abomination and should be expelled from the Fatties Union.
Can't blame them. No respec. So if they spent most of their SP into the suit, then that's what they're forced to use.
( ._.) <('.'<)
"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
4519
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:41:00 -
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Rogue Saint wrote:Tectonious Falcon wrote:Are you seeing them in PC or pubs? Because in pubs anything works. Both.
Probably bad corps, cuz let's face it, no corp worth a damn would use heavies in a competitive game lol
Edit: No but seriously, why use heavies when medium suits + AR does the same thing better? 
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"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Rogue Saint
Science For Death
The Shadow Eclipse
391
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:43:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Can't blame them. No respec. So if they spent most of their SP into the suit, then that's what they're forced to use.
I can't accept that, it doesn't take that long to get into an ADV assault and they will already have many of the supporting skills (core/shield/armour) to run that suit. A respec means nothing.
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Kam Elto
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
132
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:45:00 -
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Kam Elto wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Kam Elto wrote:yeah we now have fake heavies to go along with the fake logis. working as intended CCP? When the AR outperforms HMGs in almost all situations, you can't blame players for going what keeps them competitive, instead of what makes them a joke. it's not just ARs that the fake heavies are equipping. they are an abomination and should be expelled from the Fatties Union. for some yes but then there's others like that clown from Southern Legion who was redline Thales sniping in a Proto Sentinel suit yesterday.
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
4519
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:45:00 -
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Rogue Saint wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Can't blame them. No respec. So if they spent most of their SP into the suit, then that's what they're forced to use. I can't accept that, it doesn't take that long to get into an ADV assault and they will already have many of the supporting skills (core/shield/armour) to run that suit. A respec means nothing.
For you!
Some people might not want to spend SP on another suit. Some people don't have the time to waste to put SP elsewhere.
( ._.) <('.'<)
"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
7731
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:46:00 -
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Kam Elto wrote:Kam Elto wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Kam Elto wrote:yeah we now have fake heavies to go along with the fake logis. working as intended CCP? When the AR outperforms HMGs in almost all situations, you can't blame players for going what keeps them competitive, instead of what makes them a joke. it's not just ARs that the fake heavies are equipping. they are an abomination and should be expelled from the Fatties Union. for some yes but then there's others like that clown from Southern Legion who was redline Thales sniping in a Proto Sentinel suit yesterday.
So you're upset that we have fitting options? Heavies have always been the best countersnipers because of their HP, where other suits are more suited to "hit and run" style sniping, since they're harder to spot and can carry hives, or more.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
1694
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:57:00 -
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Its because the AR/SCR get a bonus of being super awesome accurate with aim assist on
Also tank doesnt means **** anymore, its all about damage because time to kill is on its ******* knees
So FG is okay from distance, but the HMG is inferior compared to the SMG/AR/SCR since aim assist doesnt work on the HMG |
Leovarian L Lavitz
NECROM0NGERS
778
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Posted - 2013.11.18 16:21:00 -
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If you are fitting an AR instead of a HMG after learning that hmg's are laser accurate, you are a moron. I've been pounding fake heavies into the ground with my mh-82, scouts mediums, they are all in trouble. Been sniping suits off of towers with my mh-82, that was fun. Killed laser guys faster than laser guys could kill me at range. weeeee.
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