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Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 921	Posted - 2013.11.18 05:23:00 - [1] - Quote It's almost impossible for me to make an alt and not graduate in one match, unless I'm trying out a Plasma Cannon or something. I swear, you can just run around hipfiring at everything and go 40/5. These players don't know how anything works and nothing is taught to them. This is the amazing curriculum and what happens to new players. 1. Initiate a public contract. Spawn in MCC and jump out without activating dampeners. Die. Spawn on ground and run by 10 hackable objects. Shoot at terminal hub, because it is red. Try to blow up enemy Blaster Turret with grenades, Cook a grenade until it kills you. Shoot one guy in the toe with your Assault Rifle. Run out of ammo and not know you have another gun. Run around clicking. Stand around confused when someone actually uses a supply depot. Shoot at friendly uplinks. Don't spawn on them. Take an injector and inject the floor with it. 2. Invest in a skill. Open skill panel, get confused. Browse skills, unaware of the difference between MLT, STD, ADV, PRO gear or suit classes. EITHER: Waste all SP on random skill path OR invest SP in turret operation 1, with no intention of being a tanker, because you think you need it to operate that big Blaster Turret that slaughtered you in your first match. Exit screen and be congratulated on wasting either hours of SP, or weeks' worth. 3. Create a valid fitting. Open fittings screen, get confused. Read tutorial text. Fit a militia Caldari suit with a militia Scrambler Pistol, militia SMG, militia armor repairer and 2 militia light damage modifiers. The screen turns red when you try to use that nanohive thingy, so you say 'screw it' and leave. Exit screen and be congratulated with some LAVs and something called an Active 1-Day Booster. POST TUTORIALS: 4. What's that booster thingy? Wander around until you find "Augmentations." Activate booster immediately. POST TUTORIALS: 5. At least this game hasn't been very hard so far. Start a match. Die to a proto with 2.5x the health and a Duvolle + Mods with 1.5x the damage in 1 second from 50m away. Get OHKO'd by a Charge Sniper Rifle 350m away. Get OHKO'd by every tier of Locus Grenade. Get 2HKO'd by a Madrugar blaster to the face. Get smushed by a LLAV against a rock. Get OHKO'd by a Railgun Turret 250m away. Get 2HKO'd by a Scrambler Rifle 60m away. Get 3HKO'd by a Mass Driver as you cower behind a crate. Get OHKO'd by a Forge Gun 200m away. Get OHKO'd by an Orbital from space. Spend 90% of the match running around if it's Skirmish, without knowing how to call in those starter LAVs. Spend 90% of the match getting spawn camped if it's Ambush. Spend 90% of the match redlined if it's Domination. POST TUTORIALS: 6. Should I keep playing? Sees they only obtained 4,000 SP + 2,000 booster bonus. Sees that they need 600,000 SP to start speccing into proficiency. Sees they need millions in core skills. Sees they need millions in suits. Remembers only earning 6000 SP a match. Remembers that they gain 210,000 SP a week in passive and log on SP, and only 190,000 SP a week for actually playing. Stops actually playing. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 493	Posted - 2013.11.18 05:49:00 - [2] - Quote How... How are people this stupid? When I started back in replication, the only thing I needed to learn how to use was the awkward aiming mechanics. After that, everything was smooth sailing. The stupid is too ******** to comprehend!
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 923	Posted - 2013.11.18 05:51:00 - [3] - Quote Zekain K wrote: How... How are people this stupid? When I started back in replication, the only thing I needed to learn how to use was the awkward aiming mechanics. After that, everything was smooth sailing. The stupid is too ******** to comprehend! I'm just telling you the crazy stuff I've seen over my 4-5 Academy experiences. ._. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 1110	Posted - 2013.11.18 05:54:00 - [4] - Quote Back in my day we did not have any of these fancy tutorial things you youngsters have they days, we had to go out and learn everything from scratch. You think you have it hard now, you don't know how bad you have it compared to me. Ahh mercs these days... For the Empire! Dual tanking is a sin.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 923	Posted - 2013.11.18 05:57:00 - [5] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Back in my day we did not have any of these fancy tutorial things you youngsters have they days, we had to go out and learn everything from scratch. You think you have it hard now, you don't know how bad you have it compared to me. Ahh mercs these days... Hello, Cranky Kong. The truth is, this game is more complex than most, and new players don't seem to be taking it very well. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 651	Posted - 2013.11.18 06:21:00 - [6] - Quote I don't think CCP cares. All of this, just like most of the big gaps in the game, could have been fixed long ago if there was interest on the part of the developer to do so. I don't delude myself thinking that they are just not aware of all these problems.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10374	Posted - 2013.11.18 06:23:00 - [7] - Quote Bleh slowly showing proof that dust 514 is beginning to be quite a few number of people's first shooter it seems >< CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 923	Posted - 2013.11.18 06:36:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Bleh slowly showing proof that dust 514 is beginning to be quite a few number of people's first shooter it seems >< That's an excuse, sorry. Some of the things above, are, obviously, quite stupid and imply this. However, many are understandable. The skill system is quite complex, as is the dropsuit fitting. A lot of weapons also don't have militia variants, so new players don't always know what they want. I've seen players take control of Railgun Turrets and fire it at the enemy MCC, thinking it'll damage it faster, and it's not such a farfetched idea. The new player experience also includes getting protostomped for a month by players with a life expectancy in a 1 v 1 that's three times as long as yours. I also see a lot of new players not understanding weapon ranges and for good reason. As far as I can tell, it's never stated how far apart the radar rings are. Eventually they notice the efficacy number below the health bar and use that to gauge things, but it'd be nice to explain things like that. There's lots to explain and little explaining being done. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Zero Notion Wraith Company 350	Posted - 2013.11.18 06:48:00 - [9] - Quote It's a free game. Of course it's going to be a number of people's first shooter; a lot of them are very young. 10+.
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 648	Posted - 2013.11.18 07:12:00 - [10] - Quote i tried out academy on my alt out of curiosity, the results was pretty bad, i went 36-0 in that one battle, used a turret as well and reds kept throwing grenades at the turret, no idea if they were trying to kill me with a grenade or thinking they could destroy a turret with grenades, and some guy was even shooting at the turret with an AR. i felt pretty bad for those new players, not knowing what to do and once they manage to get like 1200 WP they get thrown to us wolves. YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!! sç+a¦át¢èa¦á)sç+ (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+

Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5197	Posted - 2013.11.18 07:26:00 - [11] - Quote The NPE is still awful. +1, OP. These problems will persist though, because I imagine CCP thinks that because they added some random rewards thing it's completely fine. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
IMMORTAL WAR HERO BAD SANTA'S SCHOOL 4 SCOUNDRELS 74	Posted - 2013.11.18 07:30:00 - [12] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: It's almost impossible for me to make an alt and not graduate in one match, unless I'm trying out a Plasma Cannon or something. I swear, you can just run around hipfiring at everything and go 40/5. These players don't know how anything works and nothing is taught to them. This is the amazing curriculum and what happens to new players. 1. Initiate a public contract. Spawn in MCC and jump out without activating dampeners. Die. Spawn on ground and run by 10 hackable objects. Shoot at terminal hub, because it is red. Try to blow up enemy Blaster Turret with grenades, Cook a grenade until it kills you. Shoot one guy in the toe with your Assault Rifle. Run out of ammo and not know you have another gun. Run around clicking. Stand around confused when someone actually uses a supply depot. Shoot at friendly uplinks. Don't spawn on them. Take an injector and inject the floor with it. 2. Invest in a skill. Open skill panel, get confused. Browse skills, unaware of the difference between MLT, STD, ADV, PRO gear or suit classes. EITHER: Waste all SP on random skill path OR invest SP in turret operation 1, with no intention of being a tanker, because you think you need it to operate that big Blaster Turret that slaughtered you in your first match. Exit screen and be congratulated on wasting either hours of SP, or weeks' worth. 3. Create a valid fitting. Open fittings screen, get confused. Read tutorial text. Fit a militia Caldari suit with a militia Scrambler Pistol, militia SMG, militia armor repairer and 2 militia light damage modifiers. The screen turns red when you try to use that nanohive thingy, so you say 'screw it' and leave. Exit screen and be congratulated with some LAVs and something called an Active 1-Day Booster. POST TUTORIALS: 4. What's that booster thingy? Wander around until you find "Augmentations." Activate booster immediately. POST TUTORIALS: 5. At least this game hasn't been very hard so far. Start a match. Die to a proto with 2.5x the health and a Duvolle + Mods with 1.5x the damage in 1 second from 50m away. Get OHKO'd by a Charge Sniper Rifle 350m away. Get OHKO'd by every tier of Locus Grenade. Get 2HKO'd by a Madrugar blaster to the face. Get smushed by a LLAV against a rock. Get OHKO'd by a Railgun Turret 250m away. Get 2HKO'd by a Scrambler Rifle 60m away. Get 3HKO'd by a Mass Driver as you cower behind a crate. Get OHKO'd by a Forge Gun 200m away. Get OHKO'd by an Orbital from space. Spend 90% of the match running around if it's Skirmish, without knowing how to call in those starter LAVs. Spend 90% of the match getting spawn camped if it's Ambush. Spend 90% of the match redlined if it's Domination. POST TUTORIALS: 6. Should I keep playing? Sees they only obtained 4,000 SP + 2,000 booster bonus. Sees that they need 600,000 SP to start speccing into proficiency. Sees they need millions in core skills. Sees they need millions in suits. Remembers only earning 6000 SP a match. Remembers that they gain 210,000 SP a week in passive and log on SP, and only 190,000 SP a week for actually playing. Stops actually playing. lol this is the best postive ever see..... spawn on mcc......... die lol Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
SoTarian PoParrazi Shining Flame Amarr Empire 252	Posted - 2013.11.18 07:33:00 - [13] - Quote I really do wish there was something CCP could do instantly to fix this - it's not just a problem for them - it's a problem for us too. I can't rely on blue berries to help when they die instantly. They become a burden to my team. Games are ultimately decided by who has less people in militia gears. :\ n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ - Let's make a contract!
IMMORTAL WAR HERO BAD SANTA'S SCHOOL 4 SCOUNDRELS 74	Posted - 2013.11.18 07:41:00 - [14] - Quote the worst was i brought a pay2 win madruger 2 ............. in ambush there were only 3 kills not belonging to me and my tank lol you get10 people stnding on tank becuase theve never seen one and have probably seen few games with vehicles period so i switch to secondary shoot them all rinse repeat Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1215	Posted - 2013.11.18 07:42:00 - [15] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: It's almost impossible for me to make an alt and not graduate in one match, unless I'm trying out a Plasma Cannon or something. I swear, you can just run around hipfiring at everything and go 40/5. These players don't know how anything works and nothing is taught to them. This is the amazing curriculum and what happens to new players. 1. Initiate a public contract. Spawn in MCC and jump out without activating dampeners. Die. Spawn on ground and run by 10 hackable objects. Shoot at terminal hub, because it is red. Try to blow up enemy Blaster Turret with grenades, Cook a grenade until it kills you. Shoot one guy in the toe with your Assault Rifle. Run out of ammo and not know you have another gun. Run around clicking. Stand around confused when someone actually uses a supply depot. Shoot at friendly uplinks. Don't spawn on them. Take an injector and inject the floor with it. 2. Invest in a skill. Open skill panel, get confused. Browse skills, unaware of the difference between MLT, STD, ADV, PRO gear or suit classes. EITHER: Waste all SP on random skill path OR invest SP in turret operation 1, with no intention of being a tanker, because you think you need it to operate that big Blaster Turret that slaughtered you in your first match. Exit screen and be congratulated on wasting either hours of SP, or weeks' worth. 3. Create a valid fitting. Open fittings screen, get confused. Read tutorial text. Fit a militia Caldari suit with a militia Scrambler Pistol, militia SMG, militia armor repairer and 2 militia light damage modifiers. The screen turns red when you try to use that nanohive thingy, so you say 'screw it' and leave. Exit screen and be congratulated with some LAVs and something called an Active 1-Day Booster. POST TUTORIALS: 4. What's that booster thingy? Wander around until you find "Augmentations." Activate booster immediately. POST TUTORIALS: 5. At least this game hasn't been very hard so far. Start a match. Die to a proto with 2.5x the health and a Duvolle + Mods with 1.5x the damage in 1 second from 50m away. Get OHKO'd by a Charge Sniper Rifle 350m away. Get OHKO'd by every tier of Locus Grenade. Get 2HKO'd by a Madrugar blaster to the face. Get smushed by a LLAV against a rock. Get OHKO'd by a Railgun Turret 250m away. Get 2HKO'd by a Scrambler Rifle 60m away. Get 3HKO'd by a Mass Driver as you cower behind a crate. Get OHKO'd by a Forge Gun 200m away. Get OHKO'd by an Orbital from space. Spend 90% of the match running around if it's Skirmish, without knowing how to call in those starter LAVs. Spend 90% of the match getting spawn camped if it's Ambush. Spend 90% of the match redlined if it's Domination. POST TUTORIALS: 6. Should I keep playing? Sees they only obtained 4,000 SP + 2,000 booster bonus. Sees that they need 600,000 SP to start speccing into proficiency. Sees they need millions in core skills. Sees they need millions in suits. Remembers only earning 6000 SP a match. Remembers that they gain 210,000 SP a week in passive and log on SP, and only 190,000 SP a week for actually playing. Stops actually playing. Dust University is aware of how terrible the new player experience is and we try to fill in the holes CCP has in that experience. if youre new, come to us. this does not mean we hold your hand through your experience with us, you get out what you put in. but there are always people to squad with, ask questions and learn with. plus we have many lectures on various aspects of the game. so consider the uni a stop on your journey to get the basics down. insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 928	Posted - 2013.11.18 12:17:00 - [16] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: It's almost impossible for me to make an alt and not graduate in one match, unless I'm trying out a Plasma Cannon or something. I swear, you can just run around hipfiring at everything and go 40/5. These players don't know how anything works and nothing is taught to them. This is the amazing curriculum and what happens to new players. 1. Initiate a public contract. Spawn in MCC and jump out without activating dampeners. Die. Spawn on ground and run by 10 hackable objects. Shoot at terminal hub, because it is red. Try to blow up enemy Blaster Turret with grenades, Cook a grenade until it kills you. Shoot one guy in the toe with your Assault Rifle. Run out of ammo and not know you have another gun. Run around clicking. Stand around confused when someone actually uses a supply depot. Shoot at friendly uplinks. Don't spawn on them. Take an injector and inject the floor with it. 2. Invest in a skill. Open skill panel, get confused. Browse skills, unaware of the difference between MLT, STD, ADV, PRO gear or suit classes. EITHER: Waste all SP on random skill path OR invest SP in turret operation 1, with no intention of being a tanker, because you think you need it to operate that big Blaster Turret that slaughtered you in your first match. Exit screen and be congratulated on wasting either hours of SP, or weeks' worth. 3. Create a valid fitting. Open fittings screen, get confused. Read tutorial text. Fit a militia Caldari suit with a militia Scrambler Pistol, militia SMG, militia armor repairer and 2 militia light damage modifiers. The screen turns red when you try to use that nanohive thingy, so you say 'screw it' and leave. Exit screen and be congratulated with some LAVs and something called an Active 1-Day Booster. POST TUTORIALS: 4. What's that booster thingy? Wander around until you find "Augmentations." Activate booster immediately. POST TUTORIALS: 5. At least this game hasn't been very hard so far. Start a match. Die to a proto with 2.5x the health and a Duvolle + Mods with 1.5x the damage in 1 second from 50m away. Get OHKO'd by a Charge Sniper Rifle 350m away. Get OHKO'd by every tier of Locus Grenade. Get 2HKO'd by a Madrugar blaster to the face. Get smushed by a LLAV against a rock. Get OHKO'd by a Railgun Turret 250m away. Get 2HKO'd by a Scrambler Rifle 60m away. Get 3HKO'd by a Mass Driver as you cower behind a crate. Get OHKO'd by a Forge Gun 200m away. Get OHKO'd by an Orbital from space. Spend 90% of the match running around if it's Skirmish, without knowing how to call in those starter LAVs. Spend 90% of the match getting spawn camped if it's Ambush. Spend 90% of the match redlined if it's Domination. POST TUTORIALS: 6. Should I keep playing? Sees they only obtained 4,000 SP + 2,000 booster bonus. Sees that they need 600,000 SP to start speccing into proficiency. Sees they need millions in core skills. Sees they need millions in suits. Remembers only earning 6000 SP a match. Remembers that they gain 210,000 SP a week in passive and log on SP, and only 190,000 SP a week for actually playing. Stops actually playing. Dust University is aware of how terrible the new player experience is and we try to fill in the holes CCP has in that experience. if youre new, come to us. this does not mean we hold your hand through your experience with us, you get out what you put in. but there are always people to squad with, ask questions and learn with. plus we have many lectures on various aspects of the game. so consider the uni a stop on your journey to get the basics down. You guys always get a plug in there somewhere, don't you? Regardless, I already have a corporation. The community does a decent enough job of teaching players if they ask for help, but it shouldn't be the job of the community to hold every nubblet's hand when CCP is supposed to give them more info. Adding a panel that tells you to get into a battle and get slaughtered, congratulates you for wasting all of your SP and then hands you an Active Booster you will undoubtedly waste is not helping; it's just bullshit. Also, to the poster above, yes, some players will be new to the FPS genre. Some will be children. They are not usually getting confused by simple FPS concepts such as, move left stick to walk and right stick to aim or press the triggers to fire/throw a grenade. The concept is clear; shoot the other players before they can shoot you. They are confused by everything else. A good example is Dropships. The things are hard as hell to steer as a new pilot and what does CCP do? They flash the controls at you for 2 seconds as you step in and expect you to fly. Millions of ISK in dropships later, you'll, hopefully, not be crashing into a lamppost on take off. It's like Battlefield. The first time I got in a Helicopter, it did a vertical U turn on take off and landed on its blades because the game never explained how to pilot the damn thing. The blueberries suck, but they could suck less with knowledge and some sort of midpoint between shooting helpless nublets in militia gear and getting shot at by Assault Rifle Player 1234 who's been playing the game for a year and has 20m SP. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1256	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:23:00 - [17] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Back in my day we did not have any of these fancy tutorial things you youngsters have they days, we had to go out and learn everything from scratch. You think you have it hard now, you don't know how bad you have it compared to me. Ahh mercs these days... Hello, Cranky Kong. The truth is, this game is more complex than most, and new players don't seem to be taking it very well. It's not that hard. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1256	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:24:00 - [18] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: It's almost impossible for me to make an alt and not graduate in one match, unless I'm trying out a Plasma Cannon or something. I swear, you can just run around hipfiring at everything and go 40/5. These players don't know how anything works and nothing is taught to them. This is the amazing curriculum and what happens to new players. 1. Initiate a public contract. Spawn in MCC and jump out without activating dampeners. Die. Spawn on ground and run by 10 hackable objects. Shoot at terminal hub, because it is red. Try to blow up enemy Blaster Turret with grenades, Cook a grenade until it kills you. Shoot one guy in the toe with your Assault Rifle. Run out of ammo and not know you have another gun. Run around clicking. Stand around confused when someone actually uses a supply depot. Shoot at friendly uplinks. Don't spawn on them. Take an injector and inject the floor with it. 2. Invest in a skill. Open skill panel, get confused. Browse skills, unaware of the difference between MLT, STD, ADV, PRO gear or suit classes. EITHER: Waste all SP on random skill path OR invest SP in turret operation 1, with no intention of being a tanker, because you think you need it to operate that big Blaster Turret that slaughtered you in your first match. Exit screen and be congratulated on wasting either hours of SP, or weeks' worth. 3. Create a valid fitting. Open fittings screen, get confused. Read tutorial text. Fit a militia Caldari suit with a militia Scrambler Pistol, militia SMG, militia armor repairer and 2 militia light damage modifiers. The screen turns red when you try to use that nanohive thingy, so you say 'screw it' and leave. Exit screen and be congratulated with some LAVs and something called an Active 1-Day Booster. POST TUTORIALS: 4. What's that booster thingy? Wander around until you find "Augmentations." Activate booster immediately. POST TUTORIALS: 5. At least this game hasn't been very hard so far. Start a match. Die to a proto with 2.5x the health and a Duvolle + Mods with 1.5x the damage in 1 second from 50m away. Get OHKO'd by a Charge Sniper Rifle 350m away. Get OHKO'd by every tier of Locus Grenade. Get 2HKO'd by a Madrugar blaster to the face. Get smushed by a LLAV against a rock. Get OHKO'd by a Railgun Turret 250m away. Get 2HKO'd by a Scrambler Rifle 60m away. Get 3HKO'd by a Mass Driver as you cower behind a crate. Get OHKO'd by a Forge Gun 200m away. Get OHKO'd by an Orbital from space. Spend 90% of the match running around if it's Skirmish, without knowing how to call in those starter LAVs. Spend 90% of the match getting spawn camped if it's Ambush. Spend 90% of the match redlined if it's Domination. POST TUTORIALS: 6. Should I keep playing? Sees they only obtained 4,000 SP + 2,000 booster bonus. Sees that they need 600,000 SP to start speccing into proficiency. Sees they need millions in core skills. Sees they need millions in suits. Remembers only earning 6000 SP a match. Remembers that they gain 210,000 SP a week in passive and log on SP, and only 190,000 SP a week for actually playing. Stops actually playing. Dust University is aware of how terrible the new player experience is and we try to fill in the holes CCP has in that experience. if youre new, come to us. this does not mean we hold your hand through your experience with us, you get out what you put in. but there are always people to squad with, ask questions and learn with. plus we have many lectures on various aspects of the game. so consider the uni a stop on your journey to get the basics down. You guys always get a plug in there somewhere, don't you? Regardless, I already have a corporation. The community does a decent enough job of teaching players if they ask for help, but it shouldn't be the job of the community to hold every nubblet's hand when CCP is supposed to give them more info. Adding a panel that tells you to get into a battle and get slaughtered, congratulates you for wasting all of your SP and then hands you an Active Booster you will undoubtedly waste is not helping; it's just bullshit. Also, to the poster above, yes, some players will be new to the FPS genre. Some will be children. They are not usually getting confused by simple FPS concepts such as, move left stick to walk and right stick to aim or press the triggers to fire/throw a grenade. The concept is clear; shoot the other players before they can shoot you. They are confused by everything else. A good example is Dropships. The things are hard as hell to steer as a new pilot and what does CCP do? They flash the controls at you for 2 seconds as you step in and expect you to fly. Millions of ISK in dropships later, you'll, hopefully, not be crashing into a lamppost on take off. It's like Battlefield. The first time I got in a Helicopter, it did a vertical U turn on take off and landed on its blades because the game never explained how to pilot the damn thing. The blueberries suck, but they could suck less with knowledge and some sort of midpoint between shooting helpless nublets in militia gear and getting shot at by Assault Rifle Player 1234 who's been playing the game for a year and has 20m SP. Cheese with that whine? Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 929	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:29:00 - [19] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: It's almost impossible for me to make an alt and not graduate in one match, unless I'm trying out a Plasma Cannon or something. I swear, you can just run around hipfiring at everything and go 40/5. These players don't know how anything works and nothing is taught to them. This is the amazing curriculum and what happens to new players. 1. Initiate a public contract. Spawn in MCC and jump out without activating dampeners. Die. Spawn on ground and run by 10 hackable objects. Shoot at terminal hub, because it is red. Try to blow up enemy Blaster Turret with grenades, Cook a grenade until it kills you. Shoot one guy in the toe with your Assault Rifle. Run out of ammo and not know you have another gun. Run around clicking. Stand around confused when someone actually uses a supply depot. Shoot at friendly uplinks. Don't spawn on them. Take an injector and inject the floor with it. 2. Invest in a skill. Open skill panel, get confused. Browse skills, unaware of the difference between MLT, STD, ADV, PRO gear or suit classes. EITHER: Waste all SP on random skill path OR invest SP in turret operation 1, with no intention of being a tanker, because you think you need it to operate that big Blaster Turret that slaughtered you in your first match. Exit screen and be congratulated on wasting either hours of SP, or weeks' worth. 3. Create a valid fitting. Open fittings screen, get confused. Read tutorial text. Fit a militia Caldari suit with a militia Scrambler Pistol, militia SMG, militia armor repairer and 2 militia light damage modifiers. The screen turns red when you try to use that nanohive thingy, so you say 'screw it' and leave. Exit screen and be congratulated with some LAVs and something called an Active 1-Day Booster. POST TUTORIALS: 4. What's that booster thingy? Wander around until you find "Augmentations." Activate booster immediately. POST TUTORIALS: 5. At least this game hasn't been very hard so far. Start a match. Die to a proto with 2.5x the health and a Duvolle + Mods with 1.5x the damage in 1 second from 50m away. Get OHKO'd by a Charge Sniper Rifle 350m away. Get OHKO'd by every tier of Locus Grenade. Get 2HKO'd by a Madrugar blaster to the face. Get smushed by a LLAV against a rock. Get OHKO'd by a Railgun Turret 250m away. Get 2HKO'd by a Scrambler Rifle 60m away. Get 3HKO'd by a Mass Driver as you cower behind a crate. Get OHKO'd by a Forge Gun 200m away. Get OHKO'd by an Orbital from space. Spend 90% of the match running around if it's Skirmish, without knowing how to call in those starter LAVs. Spend 90% of the match getting spawn camped if it's Ambush. Spend 90% of the match redlined if it's Domination. POST TUTORIALS: 6. Should I keep playing? Sees they only obtained 4,000 SP + 2,000 booster bonus. Sees that they need 600,000 SP to start speccing into proficiency. Sees they need millions in core skills. Sees they need millions in suits. Remembers only earning 6000 SP a match. Remembers that they gain 210,000 SP a week in passive and log on SP, and only 190,000 SP a week for actually playing. Stops actually playing. Dust University is aware of how terrible the new player experience is and we try to fill in the holes CCP has in that experience. if youre new, come to us. this does not mean we hold your hand through your experience with us, you get out what you put in. but there are always people to squad with, ask questions and learn with. plus we have many lectures on various aspects of the game. so consider the uni a stop on your journey to get the basics down. You guys always get a plug in there somewhere, don't you? Regardless, I already have a corporation. The community does a decent enough job of teaching players if they ask for help, but it shouldn't be the job of the community to hold every nubblet's hand when CCP is supposed to give them more info. Adding a panel that tells you to get into a battle and get slaughtered, congratulates you for wasting all of your SP and then hands you an Active Booster you will undoubtedly waste is not helping; it's just bullshit. Also, to the poster above, yes, some players will be new to the FPS genre. Some will be children. They are not usually getting confused by simple FPS concepts such as, move left stick to walk and right stick to aim or press the triggers to fire/throw a grenade. The concept is clear; shoot the other players before they can shoot you. They are confused by everything else. A good example is Dropships. The things are hard as hell to steer as a new pilot and what does CCP do? They flash the controls at you for 2 seconds as you step in and expect you to fly. Millions of ISK in dropships later, you'll, hopefully, not be crashing into a lamppost on take off. It's like Battlefield. The first time I got in a Helicopter, it did a vertical U turn on take off and landed on its blades because the game never explained how to pilot the damn thing. The blueberries suck, but they could suck less with knowledge and some sort of midpoint between shooting helpless nublets in militia gear and getting shot at by Assault Rifle Player 1234 who's been playing the game for a year and has 20m SP. Cheese with that whine? I like to whine. Yes, I would love some cheese right about now. These samplers are free, right? Thanks. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1256	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:30:00 - [20] - Quote How much more spoon fed do these people need to be? The games isn't that hard and reading really helps. Trying to be part of the community instead of being some universe changing lone wolf helps also. If you can't learn the game in a few days then you shouldn't be playing and if you quit within the first week you couldn't have cut it here anyways. This is a niche game that is only going to appeal to a handful of players. Those players are going to stick it out and play the game the others are going to quit. I am not saying don't help noobs but I am saying this game isn't that hard if you read and think. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.

Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 929	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:34:00 - [21] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: How much more spoon fed do these people need to be? The games isn't that hard and reading really helps. Trying to be part of the community instead of being some universe changing lone wolf helps also. If you can't learn the game in a few days then you shouldn't be playing and if you quit within the first week you couldn't have cut it here anyways. This is a niche game that is only going to appeal to a handful of players. Those players are going to stick it out and play the game the others are going to quit. I am not saying don't help noobs but I am saying this game isn't that hard if you read and think. I haven't had many problems. However, this recent harvest of the blueberries has been awful. I mean, it's not as bad when the raspberries are awful. They go down well after all the cheesing and whining. Point in case, this, along with getting protostomped for months, is doing little for attracting new Dust 514 players. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1256	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:34:00 - [22] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: Regardless, I already have a corporation. The community does a decent enough job of teaching players if they ask for help, but it shouldn't be the job of the community to hold every nubblet's hand when CCP is supposed to give them more info. Adding a panel that tells you to get into a battle and get slaughtered, congratulates you for wasting all of your SP and then hands you an Active Booster you will undoubtedly waste is not helping; it's just bullshit. Also, to the poster above, yes, some players will be new to the FPS genre. Some will be children. They are not usually getting confused by simple FPS concepts such as, move left stick to walk and right stick to aim or press the triggers to fire/throw a grenade. The concept is clear; shoot the other players before they can shoot you. They are confused by everything else. A good example is Dropships. The things are hard as hell to steer as a new pilot and what does CCP do? They flash the controls at you for 2 seconds as you step in and expect you to fly. Millions of ISK in dropships later, you'll, hopefully, not be crashing into a lamppost on take off. It's like Battlefield. The first time I got in a Helicopter, it did a vertical U turn on take off and landed on its blades because the game never explained how to pilot the damn thing. The blueberries suck, but they could suck less with knowledge and some sort of midpoint between shooting helpless nublets in militia gear and getting shot at by Assault Rifle Player 1234 who's been playing the game for a year and has 20m SP. Cheese with that whine? [/quote] I like to whine. Yes, I would love some cheese right about now. These samplers are free, right? Thanks.[/quote] It is just amazing how many people have problems with a game that they will complain isn't even finished. The new player experience is difficult but what do you want them to do? How much more do people need to be able to play a game? It is a shooter. Better stuff gives you more. Pretty simple really. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 933	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:44:00 - [23] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: Regardless, I already have a corporation. The community does a decent enough job of teaching players if they ask for help, but it shouldn't be the job of the community to hold every nubblet's hand when CCP is supposed to give them more info. Adding a panel that tells you to get into a battle and get slaughtered, congratulates you for wasting all of your SP and then hands you an Active Booster you will undoubtedly waste is not helping; it's just bullshit. Also, to the poster above, yes, some players will be new to the FPS genre. Some will be children. They are not usually getting confused by simple FPS concepts such as, move left stick to walk and right stick to aim or press the triggers to fire/throw a grenade. The concept is clear; shoot the other players before they can shoot you. They are confused by everything else. A good example is Dropships. The things are hard as hell to steer as a new pilot and what does CCP do? They flash the controls at you for 2 seconds as you step in and expect you to fly. Millions of ISK in dropships later, you'll, hopefully, not be crashing into a lamppost on take off. It's like Battlefield. The first time I got in a Helicopter, it did a vertical U turn on take off and landed on its blades because the game never explained how to pilot the damn thing. The blueberries suck, but they could suck less with knowledge and some sort of midpoint between shooting helpless nublets in militia gear and getting shot at by Assault Rifle Player 1234 who's been playing the game for a year and has 20m SP. Cheese with that whine? I like to whine. Yes, I would love some cheese right about now. These samplers are free, right? Thanks. It is just amazing how many people have problems with a game that they will complain isn't even finished. The new player experience is difficult but what do you want them to do? How much more do people need to be able to play a game? It is a shooter. Better stuff gives you more. Pretty simple really. It'll never be finished. I'm sorry, but I don't see the big "Beta" tag there anymore. I don't know what needs to be done, but giving some militia suits to someone for joining a battle and speccing into any random skill isn't fixing the situation. Pilots need better tutorials on flying dropships, first off. I've met HAV pilots that didn't even know that you could disable active modules to start the cooldown timer right away. Not that crucial, but still stupid. It's never pointed out that you can see the efficacy and range of your target and I find that a lot of blueberries never noticed that they exist, thus forever are unaware of their proper range. I see blueberries that don't know how to even call in a vehicle, or use an Orbital. There are berries that don't even understand how you GET an Orbital, let along launch one. A solid 30% of the squads I join, the leader doesn't know how to set an order. Tons of guns have no militia variants, so berries have to waste their SP on them to test them out. I consider this to be a part of educating new players, too. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 737	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:48:00 - [24] - Quote Why is it ppl think everyone who plays a F2P FPS on a console is old enough to understand all the sp, module tier crap CCP puts in this game? If the pen is mightier than the sword, in a duel I'll let you have the pen! -Steven Wright
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1256	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:50:00 - [25] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: Regardless, I already have a corporation. The community does a decent enough job of teaching players if they ask for help, but it shouldn't be the job of the community to hold every nubblet's hand when CCP is supposed to give them more info. Adding a panel that tells you to get into a battle and get slaughtered, congratulates you for wasting all of your SP and then hands you an Active Booster you will undoubtedly waste is not helping; it's just bullshit. Also, to the poster above, yes, some players will be new to the FPS genre. Some will be children. They are not usually getting confused by simple FPS concepts such as, move left stick to walk and right stick to aim or press the triggers to fire/throw a grenade. The concept is clear; shoot the other players before they can shoot you. They are confused by everything else. A good example is Dropships. The things are hard as hell to steer as a new pilot and what does CCP do? They flash the controls at you for 2 seconds as you step in and expect you to fly. Millions of ISK in dropships later, you'll, hopefully, not be crashing into a lamppost on take off. It's like Battlefield. The first time I got in a Helicopter, it did a vertical U turn on take off and landed on its blades because the game never explained how to pilot the damn thing. The blueberries suck, but they could suck less with knowledge and some sort of midpoint between shooting helpless nublets in militia gear and getting shot at by Assault Rifle Player 1234 who's been playing the game for a year and has 20m SP. Cheese with that whine? I like to whine. Yes, I would love some cheese right about now. These samplers are free, right? Thanks. It is just amazing how many people have problems with a game that they will complain isn't even finished. The new player experience is difficult but what do you want them to do? How much more do people need to be able to play a game? It is a shooter. Better stuff gives you more. Pretty simple really. It'll never be finished. I'm sorry, but I don't see the big "Beta" tag there anymore. I don't know what needs to be done, but giving some militia suits to someone for joining a battle and speccing into any random skill isn't fixing the situation. Pilots need better tutorials on flying dropships, first off. I've met HAV pilots that didn't even know that you could disable active modules to start the cooldown timer right away. Not that crucial, but still stupid. It's never pointed out that you can see the efficacy and range of your target and I find that a lot of blueberries never noticed that they exist, thus forever are unaware of their proper range. I see blueberries that don't know how to even call in a vehicle, or use an Orbital. There are berries that don't even understand how you GET an Orbital, let along launch one. A solid 30% of the squads I join, the leader doesn't know how to set an order. Tons of guns have no militia variants, so berries have to waste their SP on them to test them out. I consider this to be a part of educating new players, too. So a 3 week training course for a game? Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 934	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:56:00 - [26] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: So a 3 week training course for a game? How hard is it to have a page explaining how to set orders, how the different orders award bonus WP and that you get a 20% WP commision? How hard is it when they give you your LAVs for them to say that you can press right on the pad to call them in, or to use Orbitals once your squad has accumulated 2500 WP? How hard is it to offer a blank area where they take a few minutes to explain dropship controls and let you practice? How hard is it to make inferior militia versions of ALL guns, and not just an arbitrary assortment? Most things could be solved, one by one, with a paragraph or two of text. Instead, that text is wasted telling new players to join a single academy battle, use some SP and equip a gun before they get tossed out to players like you. Try harder, please. It's not about what information you needed. It's about the ignorance of the average player that causes them, and their teammates, frustration, when it could have been fixed long ago. Please. They could get some random dude to write some tutorials for $100 and a hamburger. It's hilarious. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1595	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:02:00 - [27] - Quote Tutorial. EXPLAIN how to call in a LAV, what uplinks are, how to hack the various installations, and what they do. Oh, And get the mega protosauce out of Pubs. That is all. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 134	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:18:00 - [28] - Quote Actually, in many shooters, the ultimate beginners really start with pve to learn the basics, not "trial by fire" multiplayer. This is where'd you'd cover most of the interface/UI/Fitting issues and at least the combat side of things would be controlled - so that you could be thrown one drone at a time, or make some scenarios like "get in turret, then shoot drones", then call a vehicle, get in vehicle, learn to operate vehicles in a controlled environment, then it would switch - destroying vehicles and turrets, then you need to refill ammo, so you'd learn to use the supply depots, hack things, etc. Until they get PvE up and running, any new player experience they try to shoehorn into the academy will just be a stop-loss rather than an effective new player retention tool.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1257	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:42:00 - [29] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: Actually, in many shooters, the ultimate beginners really start with pve to learn the basics, not "trial by fire" multiplayer. This is where'd you'd cover most of the interface/UI/Fitting issues and at least the combat side of things would be controlled - so that you could be thrown one drone at a time, or make some scenarios like "get in turret, then shoot drones", then call a vehicle, get in vehicle, learn to operate vehicles in a controlled environment, then it would switch - destroying vehicles and turrets, then you need to refill ammo, so you'd learn to use the supply depots, hack things, etc. Until they get PvE up and running, any new player experience they try to shoehorn into the academy will just be a stop-loss rather than an effective new player retention tool. Thank you, I didn't have the words to put it like that. You are 100% correct. Meeko Fent, I agree that some of the tutorials are missing or vague and should be better but they have continuously improved the entire process and it will continue to get better. We also need to remember that DUST is a community that is part of another larger community who share the same space. If it wasn't for that this game and its sister wouldn't exist. The people who are playing the game are what make it great, not hit detection or any number of stupid suits. When players start it is difficult but like with lots of things the harder it is the better it is and it is the job of the community to reach out to new players and no amount of in game training is going to prepare them for their first week on the ground. If new players don't reach out to the community then they are probably doomed anyways, this game is based on the group and lone wolfs don't last very long. Screw CCP's match making and do it yourself. This game offers anyone who wants to change something like that the opportunity to do it and maybe even make some ISK for it. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 337	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:07:00 - [30] - Quote Zekain K wrote: How... How are people this stupid? When I started back in replication, the only thing I needed to learn how to use was the awkward aiming mechanics. After that, everything was smooth sailing. The stupid is too ******** to comprehend! It's a f2p game... you don't get the FPS die hard's going out and shelling out 60 bux for the latest title. You get casual gamers exploring the PSN store... noticing DUST and think "hey lets give this a try" The day of DUST's prestige with FPS vet's has... sadly been self shot in the foot. This is the day to day of public matches... just people running around generally clueless.

Laurent Cazaderon What The French 2166	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:13:00 - [31] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: It's almost impossible for me to make an alt and not graduate in one match, unless I'm trying out a Plasma Cannon or something. I swear, you can just run around hipfiring at everything and go 40/5. These players don't know how anything works and nothing is taught to them. This is the amazing curriculum and what happens to new players. 1. Initiate a public contract. Spawn in MCC and jump out without activating dampeners. Die. Spawn on ground and run by 10 hackable objects. Shoot at terminal hub, because it is red. Try to blow up enemy Blaster Turret with grenades, Cook a grenade until it kills you. Shoot one guy in the toe with your Assault Rifle. Run out of ammo and not know you have another gun. Run around clicking. Stand around confused when someone actually uses a supply depot. Shoot at friendly uplinks. Don't spawn on them. Take an injector and inject the floor with it. 2. Invest in a skill. Open skill panel, get confused. Browse skills, unaware of the difference between MLT, STD, ADV, PRO gear or suit classes. EITHER: Waste all SP on random skill path OR invest SP in turret operation 1, with no intention of being a tanker, because you think you need it to operate that big Blaster Turret that slaughtered you in your first match. Exit screen and be congratulated on wasting either hours of SP, or weeks' worth. 3. Create a valid fitting. Open fittings screen, get confused. Read tutorial text. Fit a militia Caldari suit with a militia Scrambler Pistol, militia SMG, militia armor repairer and 2 militia light damage modifiers. The screen turns red when you try to use that nanohive thingy, so you say 'screw it' and leave. Exit screen and be congratulated with some LAVs and something called an Active 1-Day Booster. POST TUTORIALS: 4. What's that booster thingy? Wander around until you find "Augmentations." Activate booster immediately. POST TUTORIALS: 5. At least this game hasn't been very hard so far. Start a match. Die to a proto with 2.5x the health and a Duvolle + Mods with 1.5x the damage in 1 second from 50m away. Get OHKO'd by a Charge Sniper Rifle 350m away. Get OHKO'd by every tier of Locus Grenade. Get 2HKO'd by a Madrugar blaster to the face. Get smushed by a LLAV against a rock. Get OHKO'd by a Railgun Turret 250m away. Get 2HKO'd by a Scrambler Rifle 60m away. Get 3HKO'd by a Mass Driver as you cower behind a crate. Get OHKO'd by a Forge Gun 200m away. Get OHKO'd by an Orbital from space. Spend 90% of the match running around if it's Skirmish, without knowing how to call in those starter LAVs. Spend 90% of the match getting spawn camped if it's Ambush. Spend 90% of the match redlined if it's Domination. POST TUTORIALS: 6. Should I keep playing? Sees they only obtained 4,000 SP + 2,000 booster bonus. Sees that they need 600,000 SP to start speccing into proficiency. Sees they need millions in core skills. Sees they need millions in suits. Remembers only earning 6000 SP a match. Remembers that they gain 210,000 SP a week in passive and log on SP, and only 190,000 SP a week for actually playing. Stops actually playing. Some stuff in there sounds like "God, did you ever played a FPS before dude ?" But as you said in another post, it's no excuse for Dust's lack of tutorial. Pretty much every FPS offers a way to do an "on the field training". And dust needs to have that, probably a lot more than any other FPS. I wont do a list here of what's needed. many people have done amazing threads with detailled content of what you should be ordered to do in a PVE environment when starting. With rewards in both SP and with explanation. And the more dust will evolve, the more the urge for such tutorials. This Char i only use on the forum. To contact me : "Cazaderon" in game and on Skype. Et vive la France !
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 940	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:26:00 - [32] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Justicar Karnellia wrote: Actually, in many shooters, the ultimate beginners really start with pve to learn the basics, not "trial by fire" multiplayer. This is where'd you'd cover most of the interface/UI/Fitting issues and at least the combat side of things would be controlled - so that you could be thrown one drone at a time, or make some scenarios like "get in turret, then shoot drones", then call a vehicle, get in vehicle, learn to operate vehicles in a controlled environment, then it would switch - destroying vehicles and turrets, then you need to refill ammo, so you'd learn to use the supply depots, hack things, etc. Until they get PvE up and running, any new player experience they try to shoehorn into the academy will just be a stop-loss rather than an effective new player retention tool. Thank you, I didn't have the words to put it like that. You are 100% correct. Meeko Fent, I agree that some of the tutorials are missing or vague and should be better but they have continuously improved the entire process and it will continue to get better. We also need to remember that DUST is a community that is part of another larger community who share the same space. If it wasn't for that this game and its sister wouldn't exist. The people who are playing the game are what make it great, not hit detection or any number of stupid suits. When players start it is difficult but like with lots of things the harder it is the better it is and it is the job of the community to reach out to new players and no amount of in game training is going to prepare them for their first week on the ground. If new players don't reach out to the community then they are probably doomed anyways, this game is based on the group and lone wolfs don't last very long. Screw CCP's match making and do it yourself. This game offers anyone who wants to change something like that the opportunity to do it and maybe even make some ISK for it. You've both made some very good points. I play Dust for the community, even if there are some issues, because it's a lot of fun when you've got a group of players you know just shooting things up. I still think that there should be some sort of tutorial/PvE section, but it is indeed the job of the community to help. Obviously, there's lots of complex stuff that tutorials would take too long to cover. Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Some stuff in there sounds like "God, did you ever played a FPS before dude ?" But as you said in another post, it's no excuse for Dust's lack of tutorial. Pretty much every FPS offers a way to do an "on the field training". And dust needs to have that, probably a lot more than any other FPS. I wont do a list here of what's needed. many people have done amazing threads with detailled content of what you should be ordered to do in a PVE environment when starting. With rewards in both SP and with explanation. And the more dust will evolve, the more the urge for such tutorials. I read the first line and I thought, "here we go again." Then the second line showed that you read the thread. Thanks for taking the time to respond with more than "they are new to FPS games and completely beyond education." Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.


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