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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
7685
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Posted - 2013.11.17 20:17:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:Dear CCP,
I hope there won't be a respec with 1.7. You said you were done with respecs it is important you stick to that. Anything less will encourage this "I need a respec because I messed up or want to change" QQ that is a totally short sighted perspective on the issue.
Remember to tell players that every skill is useful or will be useful. They should think of their mistakes or dead ends as an investment in the future.
Sincerely Kaethis Soooo lack of racial content, that I really wanted to spec into is me QQing and being short sighted? Yes you noob. Your Amarr; we all know that you had been informed of the visions. Just because you decided to not use your knowledge of the future and chose to squander what you had on the 'now' does not mean you are entitled to a respec. Damn these young upstarts! This response is so stupid I walked into a wall reading it, while sitting down, outside, in a field.
Story / Vids / OSG
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION
946
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Posted - 2013.11.17 20:20:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:Dear CCP,
I hope there won't be a respec with 1.7. You said you were done with respecs it is important you stick to that. Anything less will encourage this "I need a respec because I messed up or want to change" QQ that is a totally short sighted perspective on the issue.
Remember to tell players that every skill is useful or will be useful. They should think of their mistakes or dead ends as an investment in the future.
Sincerely Kaethis Soooo lack of racial content, that I really wanted to spec into is me QQing and being short sighted? Yes you noob. Your Amarr; we all know that you had been informed of the visions. Just because you decided to not use your knowledge of the future and chose to squander what you had on the 'now' does not mean you are entitled to a respec. Damn these young upstarts! This response is so stupid I walked into a wall reading it, while sitting down, outside, in a field.
This is a failure of the forum role-player to understand that he seems really stupid when he tries to argue in character. Its not funny in this case either.
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Joel II X
AHPA
164
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Posted - 2013.11.17 20:22:00 -
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What if you get a respec once every racial item comes out? All suits, weapons, etc? That way, everybody is happy. |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
200
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Posted - 2013.11.17 20:45:00 -
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Senator Snipe wrote:From what i heard, there will be new weapons and suits for each class. I do hope there will be a respec in 1.7 if that is the case. 2 reasons
1st. You should have put all the races in the beginning (The Uprising 1.1 patch). It was weird as hell seeing only amarr heavy. I was like "wtf?" I would have gotten what i needed if they were there already.
2nd. I don't think it is humane to have us save up another 2 - 3 mill just to spec into a new suit. I am almost done with my proto forge suit, all i have to do is max out the pg and cpu to lvl 5 and i'm done. I don't want to have to use up the sp i saved for that just to get another suit. It will be just total crap because i spent weeks getting this sp and i have plans on what to use it on, it would be disrupted and a waste of time having to play this game knowing i could have gotten what i needed knowing that a respec would have been necessary for this patch.
If you can't give us a respec could you at least fix the forge gun bug i constantly get in corp battles and sometimes get in pub matches. I do not lag and my forge gun won't fire sometimes when i hold the button. Then i would let go of the button and it would release the blast and waste my ammo. It can be frustrating at times, especially when i am responsible on covering an objective. It messed me up quite a few times in PC matches, some with STB vs OH and AE. Hope dies last ^^ |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
7685
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Posted - 2013.11.17 20:47:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:What if you get a respec once every racial item comes out? All suits, weapons, etc? That way, everybody is happy. I think 1.7 will have all the racial suits and a respec, honestly.
If not 1.7, then 1.8 with no doubts in my mind. You'd think they'd want to push out dropsuits first, as they're the most "popular" in terms of overall use, and perhaps the removal of 10 assets (vehicles) would provide the breathing room needed to release suits with 1.7
It will all be in one fell swoop, or very close together, so that way the only valid argument for a full respec (core content) will be squashed, players will be thrilled, and they can take their time implementing and balancing a paid SP buyback option, like the booster they've shown interest in.
The logistics of doing any form of SP refund is a nightmare as it is, make every dev go in by hand and remove certain skill trees only? Lmao, yea, keep dreaming.
Story / Vids / OSG
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ReGnYuM
UnReaL.
1347
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Posted - 2013.11.17 20:51:00 -
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The suit grind is the worst grind.
I have proto Cal, Min, anmrr assualt and one Cal Logi
Thinking I will go proto gallente when dust comes to PS4
If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514.
KDR>ALL
Sig Move: Figure 8 of Death
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Oswald Rehnquist
617
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Posted - 2013.11.17 20:55:00 -
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If you didn't save your sp, then that is on your, I haven't spent any points in suits because I am still waiting on my caldari scout, and have 3 mil saved up
The idea that that you can spend like a blitzed Betsy and be reimbursed because you couldn't wait is silly. I would understand if they removed content or radically changed what you skilled into, but there will always be more content added, so respec for more content is a big no in my book.
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
139
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Posted - 2013.11.17 21:01:00 -
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Disagree, their are people who save up for future content, that would be a slap in the face to then and don't count core skills as part of skilling a suit,nor weapons and it'll take like a week to get adv in your new specialization maybe 1 more for proto start saving Also I have alts collect passive for months to test content,2 to be precise , 1 vehicle alt and 1 infantry alt.
Christ is lord
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
7685
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Posted - 2013.11.17 21:08:00 -
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deepfried salad gilliam wrote:Disagree, their are people who save up for future content, that would be a slap in the face to then and don't count core skills as part of skilling a suit,nor weapons and it'll take like a week to get adv in your new specialization maybe 1 more for proto start saving Also I have alts collect passive for months to test content,2 to be precise , 1 vehicle alt and 1 infantry alt. There's a massive difference between saving for future content, and saving for core content that should have been past content but instead has become "future" content through lack of ability to properly implement said core material in time for the official release of the game on May 14, 2013
I'm more worried about people just up and leaving the game forever because all the time they invested becomes obsolete or drastically altered, than I am about a few people who like to sit on SP, "just in case".
Story / Vids / OSG
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GeneralButtNaked
ZionTCD Public Disorder.
568
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Posted - 2013.11.17 21:16:00 -
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deepfried salad gilliam wrote: and it'll take like a week to get adv in your new specialization maybe 1 more for proto start saving
Math fail.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
891
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Posted - 2013.11.17 21:38:00 -
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Senator Snipe wrote:what do you mean by that?
he means: use the effin search function. |
ACE OF JOKERS
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
59
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Posted - 2013.11.17 21:39:00 -
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Senator Snipe wrote:From what i heard, there will be new weapons and suits for each class. I do hope there will be a respec in 1.7 if that is the case. 2 reasons
1st. You should have put all the races in the beginning (The Uprising 1.1 patch). It was weird as hell seeing only amarr heavy. I was like "wtf?" I would have gotten what i needed if they were there already.
2nd. I don't think it is humane to have us save up another 2 - 3 mill just to spec into a new suit. I am almost done with my proto forge suit, all i have to do is max out the pg and cpu to lvl 5 and i'm done. I don't want to have to use up the sp i saved for that just to get another suit. It will be just total crap because i spent weeks getting this sp and i have plans on what to use it on, it would be disrupted and a waste of time having to play this game knowing i could have gotten what i needed knowing that a respec would have been necessary for this patch.
If you can't give us a respec could you at least fix the forge gun bug i constantly get in corp battles and sometimes get in pub matches. I do not lag and my forge gun won't fire sometimes when i hold the button. Then i would let go of the button and it would release the blast and waste my ammo. It can be frustrating at times, especially when i am responsible on covering an objective. It messed me up quite a few times in PC matches, some with STB vs OH and AE.
+1 i support ALL respec threads. I want an Amarr and Caldari Scout and i dont want to have to wait 4-5 months AFTER they come out to use them.
Respec plis. |
Leithe Askarii
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.11.17 21:50:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Dear CCP,
I hope there won't be a respec with 1.7. You said you were done with respecs it is important you stick to that. Anything less will encourage this "I need a respec because I messed up or want to change" QQ that is a totally short sighted perspective on the issue.
Remember to tell players that every skill is useful or will be useful. They should think of their mistakes or dead ends as an investment in the future.
Sincerely Kaethis Or you smarmy SOB some of us have been forced to skill into skills we never wanted to use in order to be useful because they could not get their content together to provide us will options in a release game.
On my main I went Gallente HAV and Caldari HAV, never mind that I only ever wanted to use Amarr HAV..... |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
5140
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Posted - 2013.11.17 21:59:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:GeneralButtNaked wrote:I have seen zero confirmation that suits are coming in 1.7.
Actually, during the recent Eve Vegas 2013 conference, the Devs hinted at the likelihood of introducing more racial scout suits in addition to the new weapons, maybe new equipment, new socket, rebalanced vehicles, etc. Look back at last years fanfest. Then tell me about what they said in Vegas. People need to get around this idea that what CCP says can be counted on. It cannot. CCP has absolutely no credibility with their promises. If you still trust them, that is on you, and I hope you enjoy disapointment. But I reiterate, that at no point has anyone at CCP said that suits are coming in 1.7. If you have a source for such a statement, please provide it.
Then what do you want me to rely on? Your word over their's? They're the only direct source of information we can rely on even if the information they posted is usually prefixed with the infamous word "SOON". And so what if they delayed a lot of things since years past? Delays are part of the norm of development. Plain and simple.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
744
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Posted - 2013.11.17 23:23:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Dear CCP,
I hope there won't be a respec with 1.7. You said you were done with respecs it is important you stick to that. Anything less will encourage this "I need a respec because I messed up or want to change" QQ that is a totally short sighted perspective on the issue.
Remember to tell players that every skill is useful or will be useful. They should think of their mistakes or dead ends as an investment in the future.
Sincerely Kaethis they are removing aspects entirely from the game most characters with sp spent in vehicles will have a partial respec |
ACE OF JOKERS
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
60
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Posted - 2013.11.17 23:26:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote: they are removing aspects entirely from the game most characters with sp spent in vehicles will have a partial respec
Well then;when Amar scouts and caldari scouts come out then i want all my SP invested in Dropsuits back.So i can place it where its supposed to be.
And since i have almost 6-7 Million in AV weaponry ONLY, and they are getting a complete rework, i want that SP back too. :3 |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION
952
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Posted - 2013.11.17 23:57:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:Dear CCP,
I hope there won't be a respec with 1.7. You said you were done with respecs it is important you stick to that. Anything less will encourage this "I need a respec because I messed up or want to change" QQ that is a totally short sighted perspective on the issue.
Remember to tell players that every skill is useful or will be useful. They should think of their mistakes or dead ends as an investment in the future.
Sincerely Kaethis they are removing aspects entirely from the game most characters with sp spent in vehicles will have a partial respec
Yes and as I stated in an earlier posting in this tread I agree with this since the skills players invested in are being removed. They aren't really getting a respec in this case but a refunding of the skills that are no longer present.
Fun > Realism
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
495
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Posted - 2013.11.18 00:02:00 -
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Apparently we should always grind out and have 1 million SP as back up, just in case CCP decides to add content or modify content that changes the game completely at no fault of your own. |
Senator Snipe
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
68
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Posted - 2013.11.18 11:17:00 -
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Rizlax Yazzax wrote:Ah, yet another one. No more respecs! At most a true final respec when all content is released, be that in 2months or a year. Constant respecs will do nothing but encourage FOTM users and destroy all balance as people skew stats and invoke many unneeded nerfs/buffs. Not to mention everyone speccing into new content, finding they don't like it and crying for yet another respec.
Partial respecs for changing skill trees, fine go ahead. I have mis-spent a lot of SP, even after 2 respecs (beta reset being the first) by thinking a skill would benefit me, or it became obsolete as my style changed. I recovered, lived with my mistake and committed to the grind to get what I wanted. My point is I'm not asking for that SP back, those "wasted" points are invested and may become useful again one day.
Live with your choices and at the very least think of those unwanted skills as an investment, banked SP you will get back when/if it happens.
CCP is pretty set in its ways about a consistent universe, a respec probably will happen, but it will be when - and only when - CCP are ready.
destroy balance? wtf are you talking about. Just spec into the new material they have instead of wasting months of sp
The Deadliest forge gunner in Dust 514
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Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
464
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Posted - 2013.11.18 12:17:00 -
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a respect keeps things fresh. like i give a damn if people get stronger, only the weak are afraid of respects. |
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
535
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Posted - 2013.11.18 12:19:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:a respect keeps things fresh. like i give a damn if people get stronger, only the weak are afraid of respects.
Respec*, as in respecialization.
KDR > ALL
ME > KDR
ME > ALL
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1255
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Posted - 2013.11.18 12:36:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:Dear CCP,
I hope there won't be a respec with 1.7. You said you were done with respecs it is important you stick to that. Anything less will encourage this "I need a respec because I messed up or want to change" QQ that is a totally short sighted perspective on the issue.
Remember to tell players that every skill is useful or will be useful. They should think of their mistakes or dead ends as an investment in the future.
Sincerely Kaethis Soooo lack of racial content, that I really wanted to spec into is me QQing and being short sighted?
In a way yes. You chose to do what you did. Either you didn't look at the limited selections available or you chose to ignore them but you chose to do it. I understand that you wanted to play a certain way but you can only play with the toys we have and you chose the empty box. No one forced you to put your SP into an underdeveloped skill tree but you chose to. No one forced you to keep putting SP into frame size that is limited but you chose to.
You chose everything about the game you are playing just like everyone else and you are unhappy with your choices. You were shortsighted and now you are posting a QQ thread about it and being trolled for it.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
5149
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:41:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Maken Tosch wrote: But I will NEVER endorse in any way, shape or form, a respec as a constant feature.
Sucks for you then, since CCP is VERY interested in giving us an AUR option, since you know, business.
Are you talking about the "skill back booster" that they were looking into? Last time I checked, even the most outspoken pro-respec people hate that idea. Although I don't see a problem with it given the level of restrictions it imposes.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Public Disorder.
1251
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:46:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Senator Snipe wrote:Pje251296 wrote:The amount of respec threads is too high that is a good thing, you know that right? Only as a "one off" thing. But not as a constant feature. I can understand CCP handing out one more respec (forcing everyone to reallocate their SP) if the skill tree gets overhauled, every core racial suit gets added, core racial weapons get added, vehicles get taken away that you skilled into, etc. But I will NEVER endorse in any way, shape or form, a respec as a constant feature. +1. Again ;)
This is my take on it also. I will fight against any respec proposed until we reach the point where:
1) We have the full racial lineups for dropsuits, weapons, and vehicles - including the missing vehicle classes.
2) We have finalized dropsuit role and racial bonuses.
3) We have finalized the stats and behavior of all equipment(e.g. active scanners).
4) We have finalized the WP reward structure for the various roles(e.g. WP for damage done by swarms).
5) We have had two balancing passes on all of the above.
And if that takes a year, then so be it.
I support SP rollover.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
7731
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:49:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Maken Tosch wrote: But I will NEVER endorse in any way, shape or form, a respec as a constant feature.
Sucks for you then, since CCP is VERY interested in giving us an AUR option, since you know, business. Are you talking about the "skill back booster" that they were looking into? Last time I checked, even the most outspoken pro-respec people hate that idea. Although I don't see a problem with it given the level of restrictions it imposes. I think most people are ok with it, aside from it costing AUR. I'm just saying that CCP sees the importance of such a thing, and they've offered a number of respecs already, so don't get your hopes up that we won't get another.
Evidence shows that the chances of us getting a respec are higher than not getting a respec, regardless of how it ultimately plays out
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Senator Snipe
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
68
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Posted - 2013.11.18 23:41:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Senator Snipe wrote:Pje251296 wrote:The amount of respec threads is too high that is a good thing, you know that right? Only as a "one off" thing. But not as a constant feature. I can understand CCP handing out one more respec (forcing everyone to reallocate their SP) if the skill tree gets overhauled, every core racial suit gets added, core racial weapons get added, vehicles get taken away that you skilled into, etc. But I will NEVER endorse in any way, shape or form, a respec as a constant feature. +1. Again ;) This is my take on it also. I will fight against any respec proposed until we reach the point where: 1) We have the full racial lineups for dropsuits, weapons, and vehicles - including the missing vehicle classes. 2) We have finalized dropsuit role and racial bonuses. 3) We have finalized the stats and behavior of all equipment(e.g. active scanners). 4) We have finalized the WP reward structure for the various roles(e.g. WP for damage done by swarms). 5) We have had two balancing passes on all of the above. And if that takes a year, then so be it.
FU brother
The Deadliest forge gunner in Dust 514
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TEXA5 HiTM4N
Rogue Spades EoN.
269
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Posted - 2013.11.18 23:42:00 -
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im pretty sure there will be a partial. they are removing my assault dropship.
Everything I say or do has the utmost importance.
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Karl Marx II
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2013.11.18 23:56:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:Dear CCP,
I hope there won't be a respec with 1.7. You said you were done with respecs it is important you stick to that. Anything less will encourage this "I need a respec because I messed up or want to change" QQ that is a totally short sighted perspective on the issue.
Remember to tell players that every skill is useful or will be useful. They should think of their mistakes or dead ends as an investment in the future.
Sincerely Kaethis Soooo lack of racial content, that I really wanted to spec into is me QQing and being short sighted? In a way yes. You chose to do what you did. Either you didn't look at the limited selections available or you chose to ignore them but you chose to do it. I understand that you wanted to play a certain way but you can only play with the toys we have and you chose the empty box. No one forced you to put your SP into an underdeveloped skill tree but you chose to. No one forced you to keep putting SP into frame size that is limited but you chose to. You chose everything about the game you are playing just like everyone else and you are unhappy with your choices. You were shortsightedand now you are posting a QQ thread about it and being trolled for it.
Reported for admitting that you are trolling the OP
My Theme
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Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
2235
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Posted - 2013.11.19 00:06:00 -
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Why would you spec out of your LoLForge Sen. Snipez?
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Senator Snipe
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
69
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Posted - 2013.11.19 00:10:00 -
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I will remain the best forge gunner in dust 514 as long as i live man. All i want is a different dropsuit. the basic has no effects whatsoever. The only thing that its good for is the extra 10% damage to vehicles, but it is not really needed. i took out tanks no problem with my aur proto sentinal suit that i am now out of. I want to max out my pg and cpu for my suit, the final level, and it will cost about 1.4-5 million to do so. I dont that **** to happen and then they come out with new suits. I would break a nail off of my pinky finger.......with my knuckles.........ya........with my knuckles.
The Deadliest forge gunner in Dust 514
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