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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:53:00 -
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Who the hell started this myth that higher tier AR's kick more and are less accurate?
I see this bullshit spewn on the forums pretty commonly, like it's common knowledge.
Is there actually any proof?
Who started this?
Today it's this thread:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121492&find=unread
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Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:55:00 -
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Lol Cat there is no proof, they kick ass harder I think they meant to say
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:58:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:Lol Cat there is no proof, they kick ass harder I think they meant to say
If that's the case...
They should probably know that range is increased and dispersion is reduced between the levels.
Which is how it works with most of the weapons.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:07:00 -
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I can't believe you don't know considering you have played as long as me or longer if you was in closed beta. I'm not sure who started pointing out the FACT but you should know seriously, are you trying to troll?
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:10:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:I can't believe you don't know considering you have played as long as me or longer if you was in closed beta. I'm not sure who started pointing out the FACT but you should know seriously, are you trying to troll?
Can't say I've noticed any difference in recoil between my Exile and my Duvolle...
Admittedly it may be because people vaporise instantly.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:10:00 -
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In fact, use the regular ar or mlt, see how you can unload a whole clip without much kick, now do that with a duvolle and see how you have to stop every 15 ish shots to steady your aim.
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Aaroniero d'Lioncourt
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:13:00 -
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Yea who started this!!
See no one would come out because you scared the crap out of him online. You keyboard warrior you. |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:14:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:In fact, use the regular ar or mlt, see how you can unload a whole clip without much kick, now do that with a duvolle and see how you have to stop every 15 ish shots to steady your aim.
I've heard this countless of times, but never saw proof, and it was always unknown randoms that if asked nobody could tell whey they were.
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GeneralButtNaked
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:15:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:In fact, use the regular ar or mlt, see how you can unload a whole clip without much kick, now do that with a duvolle and see how you have to stop every 15 ish shots to steady your aim.
The difference is that if you are using the Duvolle, they are dead after 15 rounds. The readjust time is almost perfect for mopping people up.
Please also note that if you hold down the trigger on the Gek, it becomes just as walkative as the Duvolle. 20 round bursts are the way to go.
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Gorra Snell
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:17:00 -
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Another "well-known fact" was just overturned: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120992&find=unread
I'm with Cat, these things should be tested. |
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:17:00 -
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Uhhh....
So I just compared a toxin to a duvolle.
They are an exact match.
So again, who the hell started this?
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STABBEY
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:21:00 -
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Who ever said it is right, AR gets tweaked here and there silently as tonot **** off AR users, I have used AR's since the begining of closed Beta.
At current YES The BPO AR is more Accurate and kicks less, and YES the Duvole has more recoil and kicks more making it less accurate.
The Duvole DOES have more range and damage of course making it a deadly weapon anyway.
To say this is a myth is stupidity, its very true no matter what the stats on the actual gun say.
Stealth nerfs are annoying but its somthing AR users should be used to. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:21:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:In fact, use the regular ar or mlt, see how you can unload a whole clip without much kick, now do that with a duvolle and see how you have to stop every 15 ish shots to steady your aim. I've heard this countless of times, but never saw proof, and it was always unknown randoms that if asked nobody could tell whey they were.
Well I'm not a random, there are many social circles in dust.
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Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:21:00 -
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They used to be different, a very long time ago. There was a time when people used the GEK instead of a Duvolle because it worked better at longer ranges. Been quite a while since this was true though, but I'm not sure when the guns were equalized. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:22:00 -
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STABBEY wrote:Who ever said it is right, AR gets tweaked here and there silently as tonot **** off AR users, I have used AR's since the begining of closed Beta. At current YES The BPO AR is more Accurate and kicks less, and YES the Duvole has more recoil and kicks more making it less accurate. The Duvole DOES have more range and damage of course making it a deadly weapon anyway. To say this is a myth is stupidity, its very true no matter what the stats on the actual gun say. Stealth nerfs are annoying but its somthing AR users should be used to.
There you go.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:23:00 -
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STABBEY wrote:Who ever said it is right, AR gets tweaked here and there silently as tonot **** off AR users, I have used AR's since the begining of closed Beta. At current YES The BPO AR is more Accurate and kicks less, and YES the Duvole has more recoil and kicks more making it less accurate. The Duvole DOES have more range and damage of course making it a deadly weapon anyway. To say this is a myth is stupidity, its very true no matter what the stats on the actual gun say. Stealth nerfs are annoying but its somthing AR users should be used to.
I just compared the two, side by side, using a black eagle suit to quickly switch between the two.
They behave the same.
Also, dispersion is lower between the tiers.
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STABBEY
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:28:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:STABBEY wrote:Who ever said it is right, AR gets tweaked here and there silently as tonot **** off AR users, I have used AR's since the begining of closed Beta. At current YES The BPO AR is more Accurate and kicks less, and YES the Duvole has more recoil and kicks more making it less accurate. The Duvole DOES have more range and damage of course making it a deadly weapon anyway. To say this is a myth is stupidity, its very true no matter what the stats on the actual gun say. Stealth nerfs are annoying but its somthing AR users should be used to. I just compared the two, side by side, using a black eagle suit to quickly switch between the two. They behave the same. Also, dispersion is lower between the tiers.
Use the BPO for a few games so you get the feel of it at all ranges, then switch to the duvole for some games, you will feel the difference.
It was a stealth nerf around 1.3ish I even put in a ticket about it when I noticed they did it and CCP just said they were tweaking the weapons blablabla. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:29:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:STABBEY wrote:Who ever said it is right, AR gets tweaked here and there silently as tonot **** off AR users, I have used AR's since the begining of closed Beta. At current YES The BPO AR is more Accurate and kicks less, and YES the Duvole has more recoil and kicks more making it less accurate. The Duvole DOES have more range and damage of course making it a deadly weapon anyway. To say this is a myth is stupidity, its very true no matter what the stats on the actual gun say. Stealth nerfs are annoying but its somthing AR users should be used to. I just compared the two, side by side, using a black eagle suit to quickly switch between the two. They behave the same. Also, dispersion is lower between the tiers.
Maybe you will actually notice it while shooting at someone provided your not just denying it and honestly haven't noticed it.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:32:00 -
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In Chromosome it was true... Now it just simply isn't true.
Hence the death of the 'exile' on every merc's fitting list. |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:34:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Cat Merc wrote:STABBEY wrote:Who ever said it is right, AR gets tweaked here and there silently as tonot **** off AR users, I have used AR's since the begining of closed Beta. At current YES The BPO AR is more Accurate and kicks less, and YES the Duvole has more recoil and kicks more making it less accurate. The Duvole DOES have more range and damage of course making it a deadly weapon anyway. To say this is a myth is stupidity, its very true no matter what the stats on the actual gun say. Stealth nerfs are annoying but its somthing AR users should be used to. I just compared the two, side by side, using a black eagle suit to quickly switch between the two. They behave the same. Also, dispersion is lower between the tiers. Maybe you will actually notice it while shooting at someone provided your not just denying it and honestly haven't noticed it.
It just doesn't exist.
I kept both AR's aimed at the same place.
Fired a full mag and saw where it was aimed when one's recoil was done.
Then switched to the other using R2 to see where the other was done.
I could not tell the difference, they both ended in the same place within margin of error. (Sometimes duvolle kicked less, sometimes Toxin kicked less, but it was 50/50)
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:34:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:In Chromosome it was true... Now it just simply isn't true.
Hence the death of the 'exile' on every merc's fitting list.
You must be trolling.
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STABBEY
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:41:00 -
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This was made more obvious after 1.2 and after a week of playing with each rifle BPO+Proto I asked CCP about it, this change did happen and is still in effect.
CCP's response when I asked about this topic:
Hello,
Thank you for contacting DUST 514 Customer Support.
Yes we can see that you have high level of Assault rifle skills.
We are constantly making a change to find the best possible balance for our players.
The current setting may not be necessarily how it is going to be in the future.
If you strongly feel something need to change, please visit the link provided below to file a proper feedback report because our development team is checking the page constantly to improve the game play in DUST 514.
Please scroll down to find Feedback/Request.
Best Regards,
GM Avantgarde
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514 |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:41:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Cat Merc wrote:STABBEY wrote:Who ever said it is right, AR gets tweaked here and there silently as tonot **** off AR users, I have used AR's since the begining of closed Beta. At current YES The BPO AR is more Accurate and kicks less, and YES the Duvole has more recoil and kicks more making it less accurate. The Duvole DOES have more range and damage of course making it a deadly weapon anyway. To say this is a myth is stupidity, its very true no matter what the stats on the actual gun say. Stealth nerfs are annoying but its somthing AR users should be used to. I just compared the two, side by side, using a black eagle suit to quickly switch between the two. They behave the same. Also, dispersion is lower between the tiers. Maybe you will actually notice it while shooting at someone provided your not just denying it and honestly haven't noticed it. It just doesn't exist. I kept both AR's aimed at the same place. Fired a full mag and saw where it was aimed when one's recoil was done. Then switched to the other using R2 to see where the other was done. I could not tell the difference, they both ended in the same place within margin of error. (Sometimes duvolle kicked less, sometimes Toxin kicked less, but it was 50/50)
Thats crazy because I use my toxin for the fact its has basically no recoil compared to the duvolle and slightly less than a gek making every single shot land almost guaranteed. I use it specifically against duvolle users as I can keep the iron sight on them for longer than they possibly can on me as well. Works a charm.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:43:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:
Thats crazy because I use my toxin for the fact its has basically no recoil compared to the duvolle and slightly less than a gek making every single shot land almost guaranteed. I use it specifically against duvolle users as I can keep the iron sight on them for longer than they possibly can on me as well. Works a charm.
Placebo most likely.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:45:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:
Thats crazy because I use my toxin for the fact its has basically no recoil compared to the duvolle and slightly less than a gek making every single shot land almost guaranteed. I use it specifically against duvolle users as I can keep the iron sight on them for longer than they possibly can on me as well. Works a charm.
Placebo most likely.
Riiiight, you are denying it, understood.
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:45:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:STABBEY wrote:Who ever said it is right, AR gets tweaked here and there silently as tonot **** off AR users, I have used AR's since the begining of closed Beta. At current YES The BPO AR is more Accurate and kicks less, and YES the Duvole has more recoil and kicks more making it less accurate. The Duvole DOES have more range and damage of course making it a deadly weapon anyway. To say this is a myth is stupidity, its very true no matter what the stats on the actual gun say. Stealth nerfs are annoying but its somthing AR users should be used to. I just compared the two, side by side, using a black eagle suit to quickly switch between the two. They behave the same. Also, dispersion is lower between the tiers.
just tested with black eagle suit and exile , gek or duvolle same kick.
i guess whoever started the rumor is worried the op ar is getting fixed. |
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Swamp Marines
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:46:00 -
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STABBEY wrote:This was made more obvious after 1.2 and after a week of playing with each rifle BPO+Proto I asked CCP about it, this change did happen and is still in effect.
CCP's response when I asked about this topic:
Hello,
Thank you for contacting DUST 514 Customer Support.
Yes we can see that you have high level of Assault rifle skills.
We are constantly making a change to find the best possible balance for our players.
The current setting may not be necessarily how it is going to be in the future.
If you strongly feel something need to change, please visit the link provided below to file a proper feedback report because our development team is checking the page constantly to improve the game play in DUST 514.
Please scroll down to find Feedback/Request.
Best Regards,
GM Avantgarde
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
This.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:46:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Cat Merc wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:
Thats crazy because I use my toxin for the fact its has basically no recoil compared to the duvolle and slightly less than a gek making every single shot land almost guaranteed. I use it specifically against duvolle users as I can keep the iron sight on them for longer than they possibly can on me as well. Works a charm.
Placebo most likely. Riiiight, you are denying it, understood.
Maybe you were denying that you were wrong all along after side by side comparison?
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:47:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:STABBEY wrote:This was made more obvious after 1.2 and after a week of playing with each rifle BPO+Proto I asked CCP about it, this change did happen and is still in effect.
CCP's response when I asked about this topic:
Hello,
Thank you for contacting DUST 514 Customer Support.
Yes we can see that you have high level of Assault rifle skills.
We are constantly making a change to find the best possible balance for our players.
The current setting may not be necessarily how it is going to be in the future.
If you strongly feel something need to change, please visit the link provided below to file a proper feedback report because our development team is checking the page constantly to improve the game play in DUST 514.
Please scroll down to find Feedback/Request.
Best Regards,
GM Avantgarde
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514 This.
It says nothing at all about that situation...
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:48:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Cat Merc wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:
Thats crazy because I use my toxin for the fact its has basically no recoil compared to the duvolle and slightly less than a gek making every single shot land almost guaranteed. I use it specifically against duvolle users as I can keep the iron sight on them for longer than they possibly can on me as well. Works a charm.
Placebo most likely. Riiiight, you are denying it, understood. Maybe you were denying that you were wrong all along after side by side comparison?
Not at all, stabbey even showed evidence, I'm fine with being wrong when I'm wrong.
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